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<pre>[2018/08/30 15:01]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): hi duckie
[2018/08/30 15:01]  Mazidox Linden: Welcome welcome welcome!
[2018/08/30 15:01]  Mazidox Linden: I appreciate that you've brought a sword and shield to wield against the invading bug hordes arton.
[2018/08/30 15:01]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:02]  Mazidox Linden: This week I've been doing a lot of investigation of an issue where everyone in a region stands up from their sit under certain circumstances.
[2018/08/30 15:02]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): ready for adventure?
[2018/08/30 15:02]  Mazidox Linden: It's... Pretty darn interesting, that's for sure.
[2018/08/30 15:03]  arton Rotaru: what circumstances are those
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Mazidox Linden: Interesting circumstances arton.
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Duckie Dickins: that means secret circumstances until it can be fixed.
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Mazidox Linden: Roughly, yes Duckie.
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Whirly Fizzle: Did I miss a bug?  lol
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Duckie Dickins: Hi Wirls
[2018/08/30 15:04]  Duckie Dickins: whirls
[2018/08/30 15:04]  arton Rotaru: Gunaaaabend
[2018/08/30 15:05]  Mazidox Linden: I just don't know if they're reproducible at will, so err on the side of caution for now
[2018/08/30 15:05]  Whirly Fizzle: What's the bug?
[2018/08/30 15:05]  Duckie Dickins: making everyone stand up in a region
[2018/08/30 15:05]  Whirly Fizzle: Oh yeah was poking at that
[2018/08/30 15:06]  Duckie Dickins: whispers: Hi Rex
[2018/08/30 15:07]  arton Rotaru: you 2 make a nice couple on that bench
[2018/08/30 15:07]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:07]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): dawww
[2018/08/30 15:07]  Rex Cronon: hello folks
[2018/08/30 15:07]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Hi Rex
[2018/08/30 15:07]  arton Rotaru: caleb should change the sit anim, where the are is on top of the benches back
[2018/08/30 15:08]  arton Rotaru: arm*
[2018/08/30 15:08]  Rex Cronon: hi nal
[2018/08/30 15:08]  arton Rotaru: hey Rex, do have some connection issues again?
[2018/08/30 15:08]  Rex Cronon: hi arton
[2018/08/30 15:09]  Rex Cronon: i don't now. i tried to login in i wasn't able for like 4 minutes
[2018/08/30 15:09]  Mazidox Linden: Interesting. Hopefully not on our end!
[2018/08/30 15:10]  Rex Cronon: is not unheard of...
[2018/08/30 15:10]  Mazidox Linden: So, today we upgraded our Jira version. Makes me very happy :)
[2018/08/30 15:11]  arton Rotaru: kinda confusing tho
[2018/08/30 15:11]  arton Rotaru: everything is differtent
[2018/08/30 15:11]  Whirly Fizzle: Yay shiny new JIRA toy
[2018/08/30 15:11]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): takes getting used to for sure
[2018/08/30 15:11]  Mazidox Linden: I think a couple of Lindens stayed up all night testing to make sure it worked okay. I wasn't one of them however.
[2018/08/30 15:11]  arton Rotaru: yeah
[2018/08/30 15:11]  Duckie Dickins: Yeah I noticed it today
[2018/08/30 15:12]  arton Rotaru: where is the activity stream?
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): activity stream?
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Rex Cronon: what was wrong with the old jira?
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Mazidox Linden: Mine moved down to the bottom of my dashboard... But I have a lot more filters than y'all.
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Mazidox Linden: Except maybe Caleb because I based mine on his.
[2018/08/30 15:13]  arton Rotaru: on the Jira
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: You can set an activity strea,m on your own custom dashboard
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: Feel free to subscribe to my dashboard if you want
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: Cos it's good  :P
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Rex Cronon: i mean how is this new jira better?
[2018/08/30 15:13]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): noice
[2018/08/30 15:14]  Mazidox Linden: I can't answer that *yet* Rex.
[2018/08/30 15:14]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): we should talk to grumpity first
[2018/08/30 15:15]  Rex Cronon: u realize how weird that sounds? is like somebody says i got a new bmw. and if u ask them how is it better they don't know the answer;)
[2018/08/30 15:15]  Mazidox Linden: I know a bunch of answers, but I am not sure which ones are public yet Rex.
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Rex Cronon: oh. ok
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Whirly Fizzle: My pretty dashboard  :P   https://gyazo.com/34a40439db3167d271b2b1163ff4c215
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Duckie Dickins: it's new and shiny....that's better. :D
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): car salesman in training basically
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): "is very good, i have one myself"
[2018/08/30 15:16]  Mazidox Linden: It's true. You wanna buy an Aditi region? Real cheap, only 1billion aditi bux
[2018/08/30 15:17]  Nal (nalates.urriah): At CC meeting Alexa was saying we could buy ADITI parcels once the viewer chatches up
[2018/08/30 15:17]  Rex Cronon: u got to do way better if u want to sell the sanfrancisco bridge:)
[2018/08/30 15:18]  Mazidox Linden: Which San Francisco bridge? There's like 20.
[2018/08/30 15:18]  Mazidox Linden: Correct Nalates!
[2018/08/30 15:18]  Rex Cronon: which one is biggest one:)
[2018/08/30 15:18]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): bay bridge has the most revenue
[2018/08/30 15:19]  Mazidox Linden: I dunno, the one to my left might be the biggest. But the one to my right is pretty big too.
[2018/08/30 15:20]  arton Rotaru: Now I'm on a "Whirly Board" and can't get out
[2018/08/30 15:20]  arton Rotaru: :p
[2018/08/30 15:20]  Duckie Dickins: hah
[2018/08/30 15:20]  Mazidox Linden: File a WBUG?
[2018/08/30 15:20]  Rex Cronon: u have top pay whirly to get out:)
[2018/08/30 15:21]  arton Rotaru: just looking for the good old Activity Stream
[2018/08/30 15:21]  Rex Cronon: give her a bridge;)
[2018/08/30 15:21]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:21]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): some updates on AIS, we are still looking into some inventory related issues on aditi. And since we have been running the new version on here for a while, we want to make sure we connect the dots
[2018/08/30 15:22]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): has anyone seen some notification that is similar to "can't move protected catories"?
[2018/08/30 15:22]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i know whirls has
[2018/08/30 15:22]  Rex Cronon: categories*
[2018/08/30 15:22]  Rex Cronon: ?
[2018/08/30 15:22]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): categories
[2018/08/30 15:24]  Rex Cronon: hasn't happened to me yet
[2018/08/30 15:24]  arton Rotaru: which categories would that be
[2018/08/30 15:24]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): it's not specified in the error message
[2018/08/30 15:24]  Whirly Fizzle: My alt still has that Caleb
[2018/08/30 15:24]  Whirly Fizzle: Kippy was in today & had it
[2018/08/30 15:25]  arton Rotaru: so that's Bug which appears on stuff that isn't protected?
[2018/08/30 15:25]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): but i think along the lines of system folders
[2018/08/30 15:25]  Whirly Fizzle: IT's trying to move my system folders into Lost & Found I *think*
[2018/08/30 15:25]  Whirly Fizzle: Hence that error
[2018/08/30 15:26]  Whirly Fizzle: You could repro it on Kippy right?
[2018/08/30 15:26]  Mazidox Linden: It's complicated and gnarly and hairy, all at once Whirly. I think we spent as a group like 15-20 minutes dissecting it yesterday morning.
[2018/08/30 15:26]  Whirly Fizzle: AS long as you can repro hehe
[2018/08/30 15:26]  arton Rotaru: you don't have to move anyything yourself?
[2018/08/30 15:27]  Rex Cronon: why doesn't say it can't move folder(s)?
[2018/08/30 15:27]  arton Rotaru: it's just doing it on it's own?
[2018/08/30 15:27]  arton Rotaru: moving folders I mean
[2018/08/30 15:27]  Whirly Fizzle: No, something broke with Kippy's inventory.  Luckily because of that error I caught the session when all the stuff first moved to L&F - that's the log on the JIRA
[2018/08/30 15:27]  arton Rotaru: ok
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Whirly Fizzle: It still tried to move stuff into L&F each login though & I presume the error is because it's tryig to move system folders
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Whirly Fizzle: The viewer log is horrible too  lol
[2018/08/30 15:28]  arton Rotaru: they broke you quite alot at last
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Mazidox Linden: We do some things at startup to make folders set up properly, and in some (very rare) cases that's not working arton. It doesn't have much of a visible effect except some stuff might be missing until it gets fixed (but not forever)
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): there is a theory that the account sync may have caused this
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Rex Cronon: why don't u guys make that error more explicit. like give name of folders and attributes?
[2018/08/30 15:28]  Whirly Fizzle: Ouch
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Whirly Fizzle: Well, I guess that's good.  It won't happen on Agni in that case
[2018/08/30 15:29]  arton Rotaru: OK
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah, we are testing this in isolation
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): the dev has been modding debug messages
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Whirly Fizzle: I don't care if you break Kippy btw, she's just a skanky alt  ;)
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Whirly Fizzle: So do whatever you need with her
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Rex Cronon: u get that error only here on beta?
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Mazidox Linden: Because if we make it more explicit it confuses more people Rex.
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Whirly Fizzle: Beta only yeah
[2018/08/30 15:29]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah
[2018/08/30 15:30]  Whirly Fizzle: The JIRA is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225122 btw
[2018/08/30 15:30]  Rex Cronon: it would be bad if inventory updates here caused problems on the main grid
[2018/08/30 15:31]  Whirly Fizzle: Can't happen
[2018/08/30 15:31]  Whirly Fizzle: WEll, it did once when Caleb did bad things to Whirly  :P
[2018/08/30 15:31]  Mazidox Linden: Well, it happened to me, but it happened to me so that bad things never happened to anyone else.
[2018/08/30 15:31]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let me quote Shaggy and say "It  wasn't me"
[2018/08/30 15:31]  Rex Cronon: u r the sacrificial lamb;)
[2018/08/30 15:32]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:32]  Mazidox Linden: Sacrificial canister.
[2018/08/30 15:33]  Mazidox Linden: We put out DRTSIM-389 this week!
[2018/08/30 15:33]  Mazidox Linden: Did anyone read the release note?
[2018/08/30 15:33]  Rex Cronon: u know how when u cross sims all kind of weird thing happen when there r network problems? why don't u introduce network delays on login to see what happen here on beta?
[2018/08/30 15:33]  arton Rotaru: not yet
[2018/08/30 15:34]  Mazidox Linden: Who says we haven't Rex?
[2018/08/30 15:34]  Rex Cronon: oh. u have? that is good:)
[2018/08/30 15:34]  arton Rotaru: is it more than internal fixes on 389?
[2018/08/30 15:34]  Whirly Fizzle: Cos we'd all get corrupted COF?  :D  Or login timeouts.. or...or....  ghosted attachments  or....  voice faling to connect... or...
[2018/08/30 15:35]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): and guess what's in d384 which is considered for wednesday
[2018/08/30 15:35]  arton Rotaru: fixes
[2018/08/30 15:35]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): mostly logging related, so internal as well
[2018/08/30 15:35]  arton Rotaru: internal fixes
[2018/08/30 15:35]  Whirly Fizzle: Nice to have something different...
[2018/08/30 15:35]  arton Rotaru: I'm now on Whirlys Dashboard, and there is an Activity Stream
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Whirly Fizzle: Yay!
[2018/08/30 15:36]  arton Rotaru: but it's on the left side of the screen :p
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): you have a dashboard?
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Mazidox Linden: We log things, we unlog things... It's all very internal.
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): link i mean
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Whirly Fizzle: You can edit it & save as your own dashboard
[2018/08/30 15:36]  arton Rotaru: okay
[2018/08/30 15:36]  arton Rotaru: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13991
[2018/08/30 15:36]  Whirly Fizzle: Notice my custom users online widget  ;)
[2018/08/30 15:37]  arton Rotaru: Invalid Channel.
[2018/08/30 15:37]  arton Rotaru: is what I get there
[2018/08/30 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: Huh
[2018/08/30 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: Works for me
[2018/08/30 15:37]  arton Rotaru: works for me too now
[2018/08/30 15:37]  arton Rotaru: had to enable scripts in NoScript
[2018/08/30 15:38]  Mazidox Linden: "Updated issues I've reported" I like that.
[2018/08/30 15:38]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): right?
[2018/08/30 15:38]  Mazidox Linden: /me cries quietly when he looks at his Watched Issues filter
[2018/08/30 15:38]  Mazidox Linden: I think I'm supposed to review that some time.
[2018/08/30 15:38]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:39]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): lol
[2018/08/30 15:39]  arton Rotaru: so, when I do "Copy Dashboard", will that make it my own Dashboard then?
[2018/08/30 15:39]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let me make like a dove and cry too
[2018/08/30 15:39]  Whirly Fizzle: Yes
[2018/08/30 15:40]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): very neat actually
[2018/08/30 15:41]  arton Rotaru: hehe https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa
[2018/08/30 15:41]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i have another update actually. it looks like we completely updated the chat servers
[2018/08/30 15:41]  Whirly Fizzle: You can have multiple dashboard for different tasks too.  You can choose which dashboard to load from the dashboards dropdown at the top
[2018/08/30 15:42]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): which should address group voice issues that we have been having
[2018/08/30 15:42]  Mazidox Linden: I have my Caleb dashboard for when I'm Caleb and my Mazidox dashboard for when I'm Mazidox.
[2018/08/30 15:42]  Whirly Fizzle: Oh cool
[2018/08/30 15:42]  Rex Cronon: so now we can have over 9000 users chating at same time:)
[2018/08/30 15:42]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): go for it!
[2018/08/30 15:43]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): worth a test
[2018/08/30 15:43]  arton Rotaru: 9000 in voice at the same time
[2018/08/30 15:43]  Rex Cronon: how about over 9000:)
[2018/08/30 15:43]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): we are talking about chats in multiverse now :)
[2018/08/30 15:44]  Mazidox Linden: Exactly 9000 but no more ;)
[2018/08/30 15:44]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:44]  Rex Cronon: haha
[2018/08/30 15:44]  Mazidox Linden: (I'm kidding, to be clear.)
[2018/08/30 15:44]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): over 9000 never entertained that thought
[2018/08/30 15:44]  arton Rotaru: at 9001 everybody will be forced to stand up from their seat :p
[2018/08/30 15:45]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): antigravity will kick in
[2018/08/30 15:45]  arton Rotaru: but only if there is one avatar with a L$ Ballance of 45098
[2018/08/30 15:45]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): and  everybody fall up
[2018/08/30 15:45]  arton Rotaru: cool
[2018/08/30 15:45]  arton Rotaru: sounds like fun
[2018/08/30 15:46]  Rex Cronon: all kidding aside. the new group chat fixes should make things run smooth?
[2018/08/30 15:46]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah
[2018/08/30 15:47]  arton Rotaru: your voice will be smoother
[2018/08/30 15:47]  Rex Cronon: and suave:) lol
[2018/08/30 15:47]  Mazidox Linden: I mean, if you can coordinate 9001 people to be on a call and give us some heads up, we could probably invert gravity for you. No promises, but... That'd be a lot of people.
[2018/08/30 15:47]  arton Rotaru: you will sound like Barry manilow
[2018/08/30 15:47]  Whirly Fizzle: What caused those certain groups to have broken voice?
[2018/08/30 15:47]  Mazidox Linden: I... Don't know. I'm not sure anyone does.
[2018/08/30 15:47]  Whirly Fizzle: They are all still broken as far as I know, plus new report came in the other day
[2018/08/30 15:48]  Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225351
[2018/08/30 15:48]  Mazidox Linden: Still broken as of today?
[2018/08/30 15:48]  Rex Cronon: i think voice is not handled by sl servers
[2018/08/30 15:48]  Whirly Fizzle: That was broken y'day anyway
[2018/08/30 15:48]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let's give it a week
[2018/08/30 15:49]  Mazidox Linden: Yeah, if it's still broken next week I'll be a lot more worried.
[2018/08/30 15:49]  arton Rotaru: yre you guys done by now with the OS upgrade?
[2018/08/30 15:50]  Mazidox Linden: I wish Arton!
[2018/08/30 15:50]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): nah, still working on it
[2018/08/30 15:50]  Rex Cronon: i am curious. what the the greatest amount of concurrent users that you have  tested group chat with?
[2018/08/30 15:50]  arton Rotaru: crazy
[2018/08/30 15:50]  Mazidox Linden: Second Life is an *incredibly* complex system with a literal ton of related and interdependent parts.
[2018/08/30 15:50]  Whirly Fizzle: Still amazes me it works at all tbh
[2018/08/30 15:50]  arton Rotaru: I can imagine, weel, kind off at least
[2018/08/30 15:51]  Rex Cronon: i think the max number of users online was around 60k
[2018/08/30 15:51]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): dude!
[2018/08/30 15:51]  Whirly Fizzle: Nah higher in the hey day
[2018/08/30 15:51]  arton Rotaru: it was about 90k once upon a time
[2018/08/30 15:51]  arton Rotaru: icluding bot armys
[2018/08/30 15:52]  arton Rotaru: including*
[2018/08/30 15:52]  Whirly Fizzle: https://secondlife.com/httprequest/homepage.php logs some info btw
[2018/08/30 15:52]  Rex Cronon: i wonder what would happen if u had like over 60k users in same group chat?
[2018/08/30 15:53]  Rex Cronon: a reality dysfunction?
[2018/08/30 15:53]  Mazidox Linden: At 60k users in a group chat you get the singularity.
[2018/08/30 15:53]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2018/08/30 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: OpenCollar has over 100k.  No idea the max in it at any one time though, seeing as the group list won't load
[2018/08/30 15:54]  Rex Cronon: it becomes self-aware:)
[2018/08/30 15:54]  arton Rotaru: is that user online still broken with LSL?
[2018/08/30 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: Bloodlines was close to 90k last I looked too
[2018/08/30 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: Yep Arton, supposed to be a fix "soon"
[2018/08/30 15:54]  arton Rotaru: ok
[2018/08/30 15:55]  Mazidox Linden: Yeah, we got fix 1 of 2 out, just need 2 of 2 now.
[2018/08/30 15:55]  Rex Cronon: how could u know how many if group list doesn't load whirly?
[2018/08/30 15:56]  Whirly Fizzle: Firestorm legacy group search tells me
[2018/08/30 15:56]  Rex Cronon: btw. that is why u need to break group list into pages of like 1000 users per page
[2018/08/30 15:57]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): ooff
[2018/08/30 15:57]  Whirly Fizzle: http://prntscr.com/kouvye
[2018/08/30 15:58]  Whirly Fizzle: That number includes inactive accounts too, which are not ever really removed from the group members, just hidden in member lists
[2018/08/30 15:58]  arton Rotaru: I'm so proud that I never got bitten by those creepy vampires of Bloodlines ^^
[2018/08/30 15:58]  Whirly Fizzle: lol I used to play Bloodlines
[2018/08/30 15:58]  arton Rotaru: :p
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: I was about 6th place, then I got bored & sold all my souls & made 120k in 4 hours  :D
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Rex Cronon: i was asked if wanted to become one. i had to decline as i really like garlic:)
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: Then I had a MEGA shopping spree hehe
[2018/08/30 15:59]  arton Rotaru: like I said, creepy
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): impressive
[2018/08/30 15:59]  arton Rotaru: selling souls
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: It was fun
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Mazidox Linden: Well, it's about that time.
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Rex Cronon: so u r a VAMP whirly? :)
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: Ok half of those souls were my harvested alts haha.
[2018/08/30 15:59]  Mazidox Linden: Caleb needs to move his truck, I need to re-pressurize...
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): have great weekend y'all
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Cos everyone cheated  lol
[2018/08/30 16:00]  arton Rotaru: thanks guys
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Rex Cronon: tc mazidox
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Thanks Lindens
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Rex Cronon: tc caleb
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Mazidox Linden: Our pleasure really
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Rex Cronon: tc al those leaving
[2018/08/30 16:00]  Mazidox Linden: We like spending this time talking with you all
[2018/08/30 16:01]  Rex Cronon: must be entertaining:)
[2018/08/30 16:01]  arton Rotaru: that's cool.
[2018/08/30 16:01]  Alter Käse (caleb.linden): Servus y'all!
[2018/08/30 16:01]  arton Rotaru: Aufwiedersehen
[2018/08/30 16:01]  Mazidox Linden: And with that, farewell!</pre>