Beta server office hours/Minutes/2018-08-30
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[2018/08/30 15:01] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): hi duckie [2018/08/30 15:01] Mazidox Linden: Welcome welcome welcome! [2018/08/30 15:01] Mazidox Linden: I appreciate that you've brought a sword and shield to wield against the invading bug hordes arton. [2018/08/30 15:01] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:02] Mazidox Linden: This week I've been doing a lot of investigation of an issue where everyone in a region stands up from their sit under certain circumstances. [2018/08/30 15:02] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): ready for adventure? [2018/08/30 15:02] Mazidox Linden: It's... Pretty darn interesting, that's for sure. [2018/08/30 15:03] arton Rotaru: what circumstances are those [2018/08/30 15:04] Mazidox Linden: Interesting circumstances arton. [2018/08/30 15:04] Duckie Dickins: that means secret circumstances until it can be fixed. [2018/08/30 15:04] Mazidox Linden: Roughly, yes Duckie. [2018/08/30 15:04] Whirly Fizzle: Did I miss a bug? lol [2018/08/30 15:04] Duckie Dickins: Hi Wirls [2018/08/30 15:04] Duckie Dickins: whirls [2018/08/30 15:04] arton Rotaru: Gunaaaabend [2018/08/30 15:05] Mazidox Linden: I just don't know if they're reproducible at will, so err on the side of caution for now [2018/08/30 15:05] Whirly Fizzle: What's the bug? [2018/08/30 15:05] Duckie Dickins: making everyone stand up in a region [2018/08/30 15:05] Whirly Fizzle: Oh yeah was poking at that [2018/08/30 15:06] Duckie Dickins: whispers: Hi Rex [2018/08/30 15:07] arton Rotaru: you 2 make a nice couple on that bench [2018/08/30 15:07] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:07] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): dawww [2018/08/30 15:07] Rex Cronon: hello folks [2018/08/30 15:07] Nal (nalates.urriah): Hi Rex [2018/08/30 15:07] arton Rotaru: caleb should change the sit anim, where the are is on top of the benches back [2018/08/30 15:08] arton Rotaru: arm* [2018/08/30 15:08] Rex Cronon: hi nal [2018/08/30 15:08] arton Rotaru: hey Rex, do have some connection issues again? [2018/08/30 15:08] Rex Cronon: hi arton [2018/08/30 15:09] Rex Cronon: i don't now. i tried to login in i wasn't able for like 4 minutes [2018/08/30 15:09] Mazidox Linden: Interesting. Hopefully not on our end! [2018/08/30 15:10] Rex Cronon: is not unheard of... [2018/08/30 15:10] Mazidox Linden: So, today we upgraded our Jira version. Makes me very happy :) [2018/08/30 15:11] arton Rotaru: kinda confusing tho [2018/08/30 15:11] arton Rotaru: everything is differtent [2018/08/30 15:11] Whirly Fizzle: Yay shiny new JIRA toy [2018/08/30 15:11] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): takes getting used to for sure [2018/08/30 15:11] Mazidox Linden: I think a couple of Lindens stayed up all night testing to make sure it worked okay. I wasn't one of them however. [2018/08/30 15:11] arton Rotaru: yeah [2018/08/30 15:11] Duckie Dickins: Yeah I noticed it today [2018/08/30 15:12] arton Rotaru: where is the activity stream? [2018/08/30 15:13] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): activity stream? [2018/08/30 15:13] Rex Cronon: what was wrong with the old jira? [2018/08/30 15:13] Mazidox Linden: Mine moved down to the bottom of my dashboard... But I have a lot more filters than y'all. [2018/08/30 15:13] Mazidox Linden: Except maybe Caleb because I based mine on his. [2018/08/30 15:13] arton Rotaru: on the Jira [2018/08/30 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: You can set an activity strea,m on your own custom dashboard [2018/08/30 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: Feel free to subscribe to my dashboard if you want [2018/08/30 15:13] Whirly Fizzle: Cos it's good :P [2018/08/30 15:13] Rex Cronon: i mean how is this new jira better? [2018/08/30 15:13] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): noice [2018/08/30 15:14] Mazidox Linden: I can't answer that *yet* Rex. [2018/08/30 15:14] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): we should talk to grumpity first [2018/08/30 15:15] Rex Cronon: u realize how weird that sounds? is like somebody says i got a new bmw. and if u ask them how is it better they don't know the answer;) [2018/08/30 15:15] Mazidox Linden: I know a bunch of answers, but I am not sure which ones are public yet Rex. [2018/08/30 15:16] Rex Cronon: oh. ok [2018/08/30 15:16] Whirly Fizzle: My pretty dashboard :P https://gyazo.com/34a40439db3167d271b2b1163ff4c215 [2018/08/30 15:16] Duckie Dickins: it's new and shiny....that's better. :D [2018/08/30 15:16] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): car salesman in training basically [2018/08/30 15:16] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): "is very good, i have one myself" [2018/08/30 15:16] Mazidox Linden: It's true. You wanna buy an Aditi region? Real cheap, only 1billion aditi bux [2018/08/30 15:17] Nal (nalates.urriah): At CC meeting Alexa was saying we could buy ADITI parcels once the viewer chatches up [2018/08/30 15:17] Rex Cronon: u got to do way better if u want to sell the sanfrancisco bridge:) [2018/08/30 15:18] Mazidox Linden: Which San Francisco bridge? There's like 20. [2018/08/30 15:18] Mazidox Linden: Correct Nalates! [2018/08/30 15:18] Rex Cronon: which one is biggest one:) [2018/08/30 15:18] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): bay bridge has the most revenue [2018/08/30 15:19] Mazidox Linden: I dunno, the one to my left might be the biggest. But the one to my right is pretty big too. [2018/08/30 15:20] arton Rotaru: Now I'm on a "Whirly Board" and can't get out [2018/08/30 15:20] arton Rotaru: :p [2018/08/30 15:20] Duckie Dickins: hah [2018/08/30 15:20] Mazidox Linden: File a WBUG? [2018/08/30 15:20] Rex Cronon: u have top pay whirly to get out:) [2018/08/30 15:21] arton Rotaru: just looking for the good old Activity Stream [2018/08/30 15:21] Rex Cronon: give her a bridge;) [2018/08/30 15:21] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:21] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): some updates on AIS, we are still looking into some inventory related issues on aditi. And since we have been running the new version on here for a while, we want to make sure we connect the dots [2018/08/30 15:22] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): has anyone seen some notification that is similar to "can't move protected catories"? [2018/08/30 15:22] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i know whirls has [2018/08/30 15:22] Rex Cronon: categories* [2018/08/30 15:22] Rex Cronon: ? [2018/08/30 15:22] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): categories [2018/08/30 15:24] Rex Cronon: hasn't happened to me yet [2018/08/30 15:24] arton Rotaru: which categories would that be [2018/08/30 15:24] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): it's not specified in the error message [2018/08/30 15:24] Whirly Fizzle: My alt still has that Caleb [2018/08/30 15:24] Whirly Fizzle: Kippy was in today & had it [2018/08/30 15:25] arton Rotaru: so that's Bug which appears on stuff that isn't protected? [2018/08/30 15:25] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): but i think along the lines of system folders [2018/08/30 15:25] Whirly Fizzle: IT's trying to move my system folders into Lost & Found I *think* [2018/08/30 15:25] Whirly Fizzle: Hence that error [2018/08/30 15:26] Whirly Fizzle: You could repro it on Kippy right? [2018/08/30 15:26] Mazidox Linden: It's complicated and gnarly and hairy, all at once Whirly. I think we spent as a group like 15-20 minutes dissecting it yesterday morning. [2018/08/30 15:26] Whirly Fizzle: AS long as you can repro hehe [2018/08/30 15:26] arton Rotaru: you don't have to move anyything yourself? [2018/08/30 15:27] Rex Cronon: why doesn't say it can't move folder(s)? [2018/08/30 15:27] arton Rotaru: it's just doing it on it's own? [2018/08/30 15:27] arton Rotaru: moving folders I mean [2018/08/30 15:27] Whirly Fizzle: No, something broke with Kippy's inventory. Luckily because of that error I caught the session when all the stuff first moved to L&F - that's the log on the JIRA [2018/08/30 15:27] arton Rotaru: ok [2018/08/30 15:28] Whirly Fizzle: It still tried to move stuff into L&F each login though & I presume the error is because it's tryig to move system folders [2018/08/30 15:28] Whirly Fizzle: The viewer log is horrible too lol [2018/08/30 15:28] arton Rotaru: they broke you quite alot at last [2018/08/30 15:28] Mazidox Linden: We do some things at startup to make folders set up properly, and in some (very rare) cases that's not working arton. It doesn't have much of a visible effect except some stuff might be missing until it gets fixed (but not forever) [2018/08/30 15:28] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): there is a theory that the account sync may have caused this [2018/08/30 15:28] Rex Cronon: why don't u guys make that error more explicit. like give name of folders and attributes? [2018/08/30 15:28] Whirly Fizzle: Ouch [2018/08/30 15:29] Whirly Fizzle: Well, I guess that's good. It won't happen on Agni in that case [2018/08/30 15:29] arton Rotaru: OK [2018/08/30 15:29] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah, we are testing this in isolation [2018/08/30 15:29] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): the dev has been modding debug messages [2018/08/30 15:29] Whirly Fizzle: I don't care if you break Kippy btw, she's just a skanky alt ;) [2018/08/30 15:29] Whirly Fizzle: So do whatever you need with her [2018/08/30 15:29] Rex Cronon: u get that error only here on beta? [2018/08/30 15:29] Mazidox Linden: Because if we make it more explicit it confuses more people Rex. [2018/08/30 15:29] Whirly Fizzle: Beta only yeah [2018/08/30 15:29] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah [2018/08/30 15:30] Whirly Fizzle: The JIRA is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225122 btw [2018/08/30 15:30] Rex Cronon: it would be bad if inventory updates here caused problems on the main grid [2018/08/30 15:31] Whirly Fizzle: Can't happen [2018/08/30 15:31] Whirly Fizzle: WEll, it did once when Caleb did bad things to Whirly :P [2018/08/30 15:31] Mazidox Linden: Well, it happened to me, but it happened to me so that bad things never happened to anyone else. [2018/08/30 15:31] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let me quote Shaggy and say "It wasn't me" [2018/08/30 15:31] Rex Cronon: u r the sacrificial lamb;) [2018/08/30 15:32] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:32] Mazidox Linden: Sacrificial canister. [2018/08/30 15:33] Mazidox Linden: We put out DRTSIM-389 this week! [2018/08/30 15:33] Mazidox Linden: Did anyone read the release note? [2018/08/30 15:33] Rex Cronon: u know how when u cross sims all kind of weird thing happen when there r network problems? why don't u introduce network delays on login to see what happen here on beta? [2018/08/30 15:33] arton Rotaru: not yet [2018/08/30 15:34] Mazidox Linden: Who says we haven't Rex? [2018/08/30 15:34] Rex Cronon: oh. u have? that is good:) [2018/08/30 15:34] arton Rotaru: is it more than internal fixes on 389? [2018/08/30 15:34] Whirly Fizzle: Cos we'd all get corrupted COF? :D Or login timeouts.. or...or.... ghosted attachments or.... voice faling to connect... or... [2018/08/30 15:35] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): and guess what's in d384 which is considered for wednesday [2018/08/30 15:35] arton Rotaru: fixes [2018/08/30 15:35] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): mostly logging related, so internal as well [2018/08/30 15:35] arton Rotaru: internal fixes [2018/08/30 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: Nice to have something different... [2018/08/30 15:35] arton Rotaru: I'm now on Whirlys Dashboard, and there is an Activity Stream [2018/08/30 15:36] Whirly Fizzle: Yay! [2018/08/30 15:36] arton Rotaru: but it's on the left side of the screen :p [2018/08/30 15:36] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): you have a dashboard? [2018/08/30 15:36] Mazidox Linden: We log things, we unlog things... It's all very internal. [2018/08/30 15:36] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): link i mean [2018/08/30 15:36] Whirly Fizzle: You can edit it & save as your own dashboard [2018/08/30 15:36] arton Rotaru: okay [2018/08/30 15:36] arton Rotaru: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=13991 [2018/08/30 15:36] Whirly Fizzle: Notice my custom users online widget ;) [2018/08/30 15:37] arton Rotaru: Invalid Channel. [2018/08/30 15:37] arton Rotaru: is what I get there [2018/08/30 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: Huh [2018/08/30 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: Works for me [2018/08/30 15:37] arton Rotaru: works for me too now [2018/08/30 15:37] arton Rotaru: had to enable scripts in NoScript [2018/08/30 15:38] Mazidox Linden: "Updated issues I've reported" I like that. [2018/08/30 15:38] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): right? [2018/08/30 15:38] Mazidox Linden: /me cries quietly when he looks at his Watched Issues filter [2018/08/30 15:38] Mazidox Linden: I think I'm supposed to review that some time. [2018/08/30 15:38] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:39] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): lol [2018/08/30 15:39] arton Rotaru: so, when I do "Copy Dashboard", will that make it my own Dashboard then? [2018/08/30 15:39] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let me make like a dove and cry too [2018/08/30 15:39] Whirly Fizzle: Yes [2018/08/30 15:40] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): very neat actually [2018/08/30 15:41] arton Rotaru: hehe https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa [2018/08/30 15:41] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): i have another update actually. it looks like we completely updated the chat servers [2018/08/30 15:41] Whirly Fizzle: You can have multiple dashboard for different tasks too. You can choose which dashboard to load from the dashboards dropdown at the top [2018/08/30 15:42] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): which should address group voice issues that we have been having [2018/08/30 15:42] Mazidox Linden: I have my Caleb dashboard for when I'm Caleb and my Mazidox dashboard for when I'm Mazidox. [2018/08/30 15:42] Whirly Fizzle: Oh cool [2018/08/30 15:42] Rex Cronon: so now we can have over 9000 users chating at same time:) [2018/08/30 15:42] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): go for it! [2018/08/30 15:43] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): worth a test [2018/08/30 15:43] arton Rotaru: 9000 in voice at the same time [2018/08/30 15:43] Rex Cronon: how about over 9000:) [2018/08/30 15:43] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): we are talking about chats in multiverse now :) [2018/08/30 15:44] Mazidox Linden: Exactly 9000 but no more ;) [2018/08/30 15:44] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:44] Rex Cronon: haha [2018/08/30 15:44] Mazidox Linden: (I'm kidding, to be clear.) [2018/08/30 15:44] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): over 9000 never entertained that thought [2018/08/30 15:44] arton Rotaru: at 9001 everybody will be forced to stand up from their seat :p [2018/08/30 15:45] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): antigravity will kick in [2018/08/30 15:45] arton Rotaru: but only if there is one avatar with a L$ Ballance of 45098 [2018/08/30 15:45] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): and everybody fall up [2018/08/30 15:45] arton Rotaru: cool [2018/08/30 15:45] arton Rotaru: sounds like fun [2018/08/30 15:46] Rex Cronon: all kidding aside. the new group chat fixes should make things run smooth? [2018/08/30 15:46] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): yeah [2018/08/30 15:47] arton Rotaru: your voice will be smoother [2018/08/30 15:47] Rex Cronon: and suave:) lol [2018/08/30 15:47] Mazidox Linden: I mean, if you can coordinate 9001 people to be on a call and give us some heads up, we could probably invert gravity for you. No promises, but... That'd be a lot of people. [2018/08/30 15:47] arton Rotaru: you will sound like Barry manilow [2018/08/30 15:47] Whirly Fizzle: What caused those certain groups to have broken voice? [2018/08/30 15:47] Mazidox Linden: I... Don't know. I'm not sure anyone does. [2018/08/30 15:47] Whirly Fizzle: They are all still broken as far as I know, plus new report came in the other day [2018/08/30 15:48] Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-225351 [2018/08/30 15:48] Mazidox Linden: Still broken as of today? [2018/08/30 15:48] Rex Cronon: i think voice is not handled by sl servers [2018/08/30 15:48] Whirly Fizzle: That was broken y'day anyway [2018/08/30 15:48] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): let's give it a week [2018/08/30 15:49] Mazidox Linden: Yeah, if it's still broken next week I'll be a lot more worried. [2018/08/30 15:49] arton Rotaru: yre you guys done by now with the OS upgrade? [2018/08/30 15:50] Mazidox Linden: I wish Arton! [2018/08/30 15:50] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): nah, still working on it [2018/08/30 15:50] Rex Cronon: i am curious. what the the greatest amount of concurrent users that you have tested group chat with? [2018/08/30 15:50] arton Rotaru: crazy [2018/08/30 15:50] Mazidox Linden: Second Life is an *incredibly* complex system with a literal ton of related and interdependent parts. [2018/08/30 15:50] Whirly Fizzle: Still amazes me it works at all tbh [2018/08/30 15:50] arton Rotaru: I can imagine, weel, kind off at least [2018/08/30 15:51] Rex Cronon: i think the max number of users online was around 60k [2018/08/30 15:51] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): dude! [2018/08/30 15:51] Whirly Fizzle: Nah higher in the hey day [2018/08/30 15:51] arton Rotaru: it was about 90k once upon a time [2018/08/30 15:51] arton Rotaru: icluding bot armys [2018/08/30 15:52] arton Rotaru: including* [2018/08/30 15:52] Whirly Fizzle: https://secondlife.com/httprequest/homepage.php logs some info btw [2018/08/30 15:52] Rex Cronon: i wonder what would happen if u had like over 60k users in same group chat? [2018/08/30 15:53] Rex Cronon: a reality dysfunction? [2018/08/30 15:53] Mazidox Linden: At 60k users in a group chat you get the singularity. [2018/08/30 15:53] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/08/30 15:54] Whirly Fizzle: OpenCollar has over 100k. No idea the max in it at any one time though, seeing as the group list won't load [2018/08/30 15:54] Rex Cronon: it becomes self-aware:) [2018/08/30 15:54] arton Rotaru: is that user online still broken with LSL? [2018/08/30 15:54] Whirly Fizzle: Bloodlines was close to 90k last I looked too [2018/08/30 15:54] Whirly Fizzle: Yep Arton, supposed to be a fix "soon" [2018/08/30 15:54] arton Rotaru: ok [2018/08/30 15:55] Mazidox Linden: Yeah, we got fix 1 of 2 out, just need 2 of 2 now. [2018/08/30 15:55] Rex Cronon: how could u know how many if group list doesn't load whirly? [2018/08/30 15:56] Whirly Fizzle: Firestorm legacy group search tells me [2018/08/30 15:56] Rex Cronon: btw. that is why u need to break group list into pages of like 1000 users per page [2018/08/30 15:57] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): ooff [2018/08/30 15:57] Whirly Fizzle: http://prntscr.com/kouvye [2018/08/30 15:58] Whirly Fizzle: That number includes inactive accounts too, which are not ever really removed from the group members, just hidden in member lists [2018/08/30 15:58] arton Rotaru: I'm so proud that I never got bitten by those creepy vampires of Bloodlines ^^ [2018/08/30 15:58] Whirly Fizzle: lol I used to play Bloodlines [2018/08/30 15:58] arton Rotaru: :p [2018/08/30 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: I was about 6th place, then I got bored & sold all my souls & made 120k in 4 hours :D [2018/08/30 15:59] Rex Cronon: i was asked if wanted to become one. i had to decline as i really like garlic:) [2018/08/30 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: Then I had a MEGA shopping spree hehe [2018/08/30 15:59] arton Rotaru: like I said, creepy [2018/08/30 15:59] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): impressive [2018/08/30 15:59] arton Rotaru: selling souls [2018/08/30 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: It was fun [2018/08/30 15:59] Mazidox Linden: Well, it's about that time. [2018/08/30 15:59] Rex Cronon: so u r a VAMP whirly? :) [2018/08/30 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: Ok half of those souls were my harvested alts haha. [2018/08/30 15:59] Mazidox Linden: Caleb needs to move his truck, I need to re-pressurize... [2018/08/30 16:00] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): have great weekend y'all [2018/08/30 16:00] Whirly Fizzle: Cos everyone cheated lol [2018/08/30 16:00] arton Rotaru: thanks guys [2018/08/30 16:00] Rex Cronon: tc mazidox [2018/08/30 16:00] Whirly Fizzle: Thanks Lindens [2018/08/30 16:00] Rex Cronon: tc caleb [2018/08/30 16:00] Mazidox Linden: Our pleasure really [2018/08/30 16:00] Rex Cronon: tc al those leaving [2018/08/30 16:00] Mazidox Linden: We like spending this time talking with you all [2018/08/30 16:01] Rex Cronon: must be entertaining:) [2018/08/30 16:01] arton Rotaru: that's cool. [2018/08/30 16:01] Alter Käse (caleb.linden): Servus y'all! [2018/08/30 16:01] arton Rotaru: Aufwiedersehen [2018/08/30 16:01] Mazidox Linden: And with that, farewell!