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Latest revision as of 15:02, 23 June 2008
Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:
[15:01] | Benjamin Linden: | hi all |
[15:01] | Squirrel Wood: | Hello Benjamin |
[15:01] | Grant Linden: | hello lya |
[15:01] | Grant Linden: | hello Ben! |
[15:01] | Benjamin Linden: | how is everyone? |
[15:01] | lya Parx: | hello |
[15:01] | Dusan Writer: | hi ben, good thanks |
[15:01] | Dunan Wilder: | waouhn spiky benjamin ^.^ |
[15:01] | Benjamin Linden: | Dusan, thanks for joining us. |
[15:01] | Argos Dreamscape: | benjamen |
[15:01] | Benjamin Linden: | it's nice meeting you, I enjoy reading your blog :-) |
[15:01] | Dusan Writer: | aww sure my pleasure Grant held a great session last week |
[15:02] | Argos Dreamscape: | your avatar is amazing |
[15:02] | lya Parx: | Ican espanish |
[15:02] | Squirrel Wood: | a full sim is too expensive, an openspace sim is out of question (need to own a full sim to be able to order one) and a parcel is either too small or too pricey |
[15:02] | Jacek Antonelli: | heya Kippie! |
[15:02] | Dunan Wilder: | well you can always buy an open space to a landlord, you'll pay a bit more but you won't need to won a regular island |
[15:02] | Grant Linden: | so, we have not created the best land offering for you yet, Squirrel? |
[15:02] | lya Parx: | i can espanish? |
[15:02] | Squirrel Wood: | Not yet ^^ |
[15:02] | Grant Linden: | hello Kippie |
[15:03] | Kippie Friedkin: | HI everybody! |
[15:03] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Argos :-) |
[15:03] | Echo Seigo: | hi kippers |
[15:03] | Benjamin Linden: | Hi there Kippie |
[15:03] | Argos Dreamscape: | you are welcome |
[15:03] | Argos Dreamscape: | lindens get the best avs |
[15:03] | lya Parx: | merci |
[15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | besides I'd have to add 20% VAT to it |
[15:03] | lya Parx: | Hey! |
[15:03] | lya Parx: | Hey! |
[15:03] | Benjamin Linden: | glad to hear things went well last week. I actually just have a couple things to discuss then I'm going to let Grant run with the rest of the meeting again since I have to take off at 3:30 |
[15:04] | Grant Linden: | we just know how to shop :) |
[15:04] | Benjamin Linden: | the main thing I wanted to bring up was that we have a user experience mailing list now |
[15:04] | Argos Dreamscape: | oh yea and u have money too |
[15:04] | Benjamin Linden: | as requested :-) |
[15:04] | Argos Dreamscape: | *GIGGLES* :)Grant Linden 16:02, 23 June 2008 (PDT) |
[15:04] | Jacek Antonelli: | Yay, mailing list! o/ |
[15:04] | Benjamin Linden: | so I'd like to encourage everyone to sign up for the list |
[15:04] | Benjamin Linden: | we will being using it to announce topics for office hours |
[15:05] | Benjamin Linden: | Jacek also reminded me to send an announcement of the list to SLdev |
[15:05] | Benjamin Linden: | which I'll do shortly |
[15:05] | Benjamin Linden: | but I was wondering if there are other places you think we should post an announcement |
[15:05] | Benjamin Linden: | perhaps on the blog? |
[15:05] | Argos Dreamscape: | blog would be a good idea |
[15:05] | Dunan Wilder: | great :) |
[15:06] | Dunan Wilder: | blog is defintely a good place to put it |
[15:06] | Squirrel Wood: | sl forums, blog, other sl mailing lists, ... |
[15:06] | Bridie Linden is Offline
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[15:06] | Benjamin Linden: | good call on the forums, Squirrel |
[15:06] | Benjamin Linden: | are there specific ones we should look at? |
[15:06] | Argos Dreamscape: | oh! to jump off topic for just a second i have to say i love alt ctr h' |
[15:07] | Argos Dreamscape: | sorrry the hippos one |
[15:07] | Jacek Antonelli: | hehe |
[15:07] | Argos Dreamscape: | so cool |
[15:08] | Squirrel Wood: | specific forums? the SL forums.... whereever it fits in |
[15:08] | Benjamin Linden: | what is alt ctr h |
[15:08] | Argos Dreamscape: | shift |
[15:08] | Benjamin Linden: | ok squirrel I'll have a look |
[15:08] | Argos Dreamscape: | too |
[15:08] | Grant Linden is looking
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[15:08] | Benjamin Linden: | lol |
[15:08] | Argos Dreamscape: | alt ctr shift h' |
[15:08] | Benjamin Linden: | oh jeeze |
[15:08] | Argos Dreamscape: | hippos! |
[15:09] hippos! | ||
[15:09] | Jacek Antonelli: | :D |
[15:09] | Echo Seigo: | lol |
[15:09] | Grant Linden laughs
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[15:09] | Benjamin Linden: | does everyone here know how to subscribe to the list? |
[15:09] | Benjamin Linden: | or has already subscribed |
[15:09] | Argos Dreamscape: | no i dont |
[15:09] | Dusan Writer: | i think i'm on it but havent seen anything posted yet |
[15:09] | Jacek Antonelli: | https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sl-ux ^_^ |
[15:10] | Argos Dreamscape: | ty |
[15:10] | Argos Dreamscape: | ill do it in a bit |
[15:10] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Jacek |
[15:10] | Argos Dreamscape: | im lagging fierce |
[15:10] | Benjamin Linden: | another thing I was discussing with the team was creating a user experience page on the public wiki |
[15:10] | Dusan Writer: | yay |
[15:10] | Benjamin Linden: | where we could have info like the mailing list, office hours, transcripts, links to projects, etc. |
[15:10] | Jacek Antonelli: | That's a good idea |
[15:11] | Squirrel Wood: | an agenda mayhaps? |
[15:11] | Kippie Friedkin: | I like that |
[15:11] | Dusan Writer: | which actually brings up a question now that you mention the Wiki - is there some way of understanding the broader road map for UX? |
[15:11] | Benjamin Linden: | yes good idea squirrel |
[15:11] | Squirrel Wood: | like http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
[15:11] | Grant Linden: | agendas and maybe suggested agendas |
[15:11] | Benjamin Linden: | Dusan, there is a roadmap on the wiki for development work on the client, but I fear it's rather out of date |
[15:11] | Benjamin Linden: | we do need a user experience roadmap, and that's something we're working on currently |
[15:11] | Dusan Writer: | ya, was kind of scouting around but thanks |
[15:12] | Dusan Writer: | wonderful |
[15:12] | Benjamin Linden: | it would be great if the user experience page could start to get a little community support and maintenance, such as posting transcripts |
[15:12] | Benjamin Linden: | you may have noticed I tend to fall behind on keeping the transcripts up to date :-) |
[15:13] | Dunan Wilder: | hi hi :) |
[15:13] | Jacek Antonelli: | hehe |
[15:13] | Grant Linden will pitch in and help
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[15:13] | Benjamin Linden: | cool, thanks Grant |
[15:13] | Echo Seigo will offer moral support :)
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[15:13] | Dusan Writer will correct typos
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[15:13] | Benjamin Linden: | I would love to start harnessing all the creative energy in the community around improving the UI |
[15:13] | Benjamin Linden: | that's why I love Dusan's contest |
[15:14] | Benjamin Linden: | Dusan, how has the response been? |
[15:14] | Dusan Writer: | hmmmm |
[15:14] | Dusan Writer: | well, it's all anecdotal really....i have no clue how many entries we'll get |
[15:14] | Dusan Writer: | i have a feeling people are being sort of guarded about it |
[15:14] | Kippie Friedkin: | Dusan, what was the deadline for that contest again? |
[15:14] | Jacek Antonelli needs to sit down and work on that. Too much stuff keeps popping up :(
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[15:15] | Dusan Writer: | but the response has been really positive, have had lots of people say they're looking at it, etc |
[15:15] | Dusan Writer: | hmm 29th |
[15:15] | Benjamin Linden: | make sure McCabe Maxstead knows about it |
[15:15] | Dusan Writer: | good judges i think, should make some good discussion |
[15:15] | Dusan Writer: | will do |
[15:15] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm sure he'll have some ideas :- |
[15:15] | Benjamin Linden: | :-) |
[15:15] | Harleen Gretzky: | what contest? |
[15:15] | Benjamin Linden: | how are you planning to run the judging Dusan? |
[15:15] | Benjamin Linden: | will it be an in-world discussion? |
[15:16] | Dusan Writer: | http://dusanwriter.com/?p=557 |
[15:16] | Dusan Writer: | depending on how many entries, we'll narrow it down to 10 or so, and then hold an in world discussion |
[15:16] | Dusan Writer: | each entrant will be allowed to present their ideas and field questions |
[15:16] | Grant Linden: | it would be great to sit in the audience for that |
[15:16] | Kippie Friedkin: | nice |
[15:17] | Dusan Writer: | Linden's are welcome with open arms Grant :) |
[15:17] | Grant Linden needs a "fly on the wall" avie
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[15:17] | Dusan Writer: | hahaha |
[15:17] | Benjamin Linden: | that's great Dusan |
[15:17] | Dusan Writer: | we'll make appropriate disclaimers for you if you like grant |
[15:17] | Alwa Voight: | hello everyone |
[15:17] | Benjamin Linden: | if you could let Grant know when you schedule it, that'd be great |
[15:17] | Jacek Antonelli thinks Dusan forgot to close an tag :D
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[15:17] | Grant Linden: | hello Alwa |
[15:17] | Dusan Writer: | haha oops |
[15:18] | McCabe Maxsted: | ahoy! |
[15:18] | Dusan Writer: | ah yeah updated the entry and made a mistake |
[15:18] | Dusan Writer goes to close tag
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[15:18] | Benjamin Linden: | hi McCabe |
[15:18] | Grant Linden: | hello McCabe |
[15:18] | McCabe Maxsted: | what're we talking about today? |
[15:18] | Dunan Wilder: | i had a little question about the UI, well two really but they're related :p May i ? |
[15:18] | Benjamin Linden: | ok well those were the main things I wanted to bring up |
[15:18] | Jacek Antonelli: | Hey McCabe :) |
[15:19] | Dusan Writer: | you McCabe |
[15:19] | Dusan Writer: | haha |
[15:19] | Dunan Wilder: | i wanted to know if it was possible to get a shortcut back for the environment editor ? And something else too : how about being able to load automaticly spy presets at startup ? i tried to change the default but it still loads the sim preset and i have to to the changes manually every time i login (which can happen quite often) |
[15:19] | Benjamin Linden: | McCabe, I just reminded folks about the user experience mailing list, the possibility of creating a UX page on the wiki, and we briefly discussed Dusan's contest |
[15:19] | Benjamin Linden: | which you should enter :-) |
[15:19] | Dusan Writer: | yes, i was wondering about the windlight presets good question |
[15:20] | Jacek Antonelli: | Dunan, what are "spy presets"? Oh, sky? |
[15:20] | McCabe Maxsted: | adding a shortcut yourself: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Skinning_How_To/Edit_the_menu |
[15:20] | Benjamin Linden: | Grant or Kippie, did you have specific things you wanted to discuss with the group today? |
[15:20] | McCabe Maxsted: | and yes, I plan to! |
[15:20] | Dunan Wilder: | sky sorry, i have two left paws ^.~ |
[15:20] | Grant Linden: | I have some topics about the profile that I would like to offer up for brainstorming |
[15:20] | Kippie Friedkin: | Nothing specific from me. The team is busily working on the latest build. |
[15:21] | Benjamin Linden: | alright Grant, fire away! |
[15:21] | McCabe Maxsted: | if you find a good shortcut let me know and i'll add it to my viewer skin: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Skins/Dazzle_MC |
[15:21] | Grant Linden: | thanks McCabe |
[15:22] | Grant Linden: | so, as the "newbie Linden" I might be asking quesitons that have been asked before |
[15:22] | Dunan Wilder: | well the environment editor had ctrl alt E sortcurt for a short period and then it disapeared and never came back |
[15:22] | Grant Linden: | but I am looking at the ways that residents already use SL |
[15:22] | Dunan Wilder: | shortcut * |
[15:22] | Squirrel Wood: | ctrl-alt-e is used for the '80 symbol on german keyboards. |
[15:23] | Dunan Wilder: | aah that's why |
[15:23] | Squirrel Wood: | so its a no-no shortcut |
[15:23] | Alwa Voight: | yup |
[15:23] | Jacek Antonelli wonders about Grant's "newbie Linden" questions. "How I wear this box?" "Where I get free L$?"
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[15:23] | McCabe Maxsted: | reminds me: need to file a jira for changing the ctrl-n shortcut for beacons. It's just too darn easy to press |
[15:24] | Grant Linden: | I was hoping to invite people to talk about the "Picks" tab on the profile |
[15:24] | Squirrel Wood: | ctrl-alt-shift-k-e-f9-N ? |
[15:24] | Alwa Voight: | I do have a question about UI usability on the Mac |
[15:24] | Dusan Writer: | ah picks |
[15:24] | Jacek Antonelli: | Let's focus on Grant's topic for a while |
[15:24] | McCabe Maxsted: | picks, interesting topic :) |
[15:24] | Kippie Friedkin: | Picks....fun |
[15:24] | Grant Linden: | what was your quesiton, Alwa? |
[15:24] | McCabe Maxsted: | have you browsed a lot of user's picks, grant? |
[15:24] | Grant Linden: | I have browsed many |
[15:24] | Alwa Voight: | I was on a PC before and flying around with the PAge keys was a lot of fun |
[15:25] | Dunan Wilder: | picks ? what about them ?They're fun and i have no problems at all with this tab, looks fine :) |
[15:25] | Grant Linden: | and I have noticed that most are not places |
[15:25] | Alwa Voight: | on the Mac you cannot do that continuously |
[15:25] | Dusan Writer nods
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[15:25] | Alwa Voight: | that is, is I am flying around using the regular arrow keys |
[15:25] | Dunan Wilder: | yes, that's what i like about it, it's very flexible |
[15:25] | Dusan Writer: | it's because people find workarounds for the scarcity of proper social networking tools |
[15:25] | Alwa Voight: | I need to lift my finger from those keys |
[15:25] | McCabe Maxsted: | hehe mine are funny quotes and friends |
[15:25] | Alwa Voight: | then hit the FN key |
[15:25] | Grant Linden: | yes, Alwa? |
[15:25] | Alwa Voight: | before proceeding |
[15:26] | Alwa Voight: | that means I cannot change my flight altitude |
[15:26] | Kippie Friedkin: | Dusan..exactly. It's become a mini-social networking tool |
[15:26] | Alwa Voight: | without interrupting it |
[15:26] | Dusan Writer: | yup....but dont picks also influence search results? |
[15:26] | Alwa Voight: | it's quite a drag |
[15:26] | Jacek Antonelli: | Alwa: Ah, because Pg Up / Dn are the Fn key + arrows? |
[15:26] | Alwa Voight: | yes |
[15:26] | McCabe Maxsted: | we've converted the picks into our own little myspace pages |
[15:26] | Dunan Wilder: | they do ? |
[15:26] | Jacek Antonelli has that on her lappy
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[15:26] | Dusan Writer: | so they're being used for places maybe for search, and for people, and as a little personal bookmark list |
[15:26] | Kippie Friedkin: | I believe it does affect search. |
[15:26] | Kippie Friedkin: | Isn't that way stores and clubs are always asking you to add them to your Picks in return for money? |
[15:27] | Dusan Writer: | and the information isn't aggregated at all visibly anyways |
[15:27] | Alwa Voight: | but you cannot just hit FN while pressing the arrow keys |
[15:27] | McCabe Maxsted: | wasn't that changed? I know searching for a person's name used to bring up quotes of theirs in other people's picks |
[15:27] | Grant Linden: | I notice a great deal of cutomization of Pics and very little use of "Interests" |
[15:27] | Alwa Voight: | you must lift your fingers off of those keys, therfore interrupting your flight |
[15:27] | Jacek Antonelli: | the interests tab is too limited / limiting |
[15:27] | Grant Linden: | that is an interesting feature, McCabe |
[15:27] | Kippie Friedkin: | I don't think Interests is encompassing enough |
[15:27] | Grant Linden: | that one is new to me |
[15:27] | Dusan Writer: | interests arent searchable except on an individual's profile |
[15:28] | Dunan Wilder: | well interests you can only check some subjects and you have one free line |
[15:28] | Alwa Voight: | on the PC you can hold the arrow keys while simultaneously pressing the PageUp or PageDown ones |
[15:28] | Grant Linden: | if you could look at a resident's picks and then comment on them, would you want to? |
[15:28] | McCabe Maxsted: | it's not very visual either, just a series of checkbox; there's little appeal |
[15:28] | Dunan Wilder: | in picks you can put in longer texts and even choose your pic |
[15:28] | Alwa Voight: | anyway, I thought that might be of your interest |
[15:28] | Grant Linden: | thank you Alwa |
[15:28] | Dusan Writer: | yes, or look at places and see what the pick comments are |
[15:28] | Dunan Wilder: | exactly |
[15:28] | Dusan Writer: | so before i teleport somewhere, see if people have picked that place and see what the comments are |
[15:29] | McCabe Maxsted: | so comments tied to a particular place, or comments tied to a particular profile? |
[15:29] | Kippie Friedkin: | One thing that came out of the NAV project, was a Resident desire to be able to create a landmark from someone's Picks |
[15:29] | Grant Linden: | do you thing that being able to copy a person's pick might be interesting? |
[15:29] | Echo Seigo: | how does a person control the comments on his/her/its picks? |
[15:29] | Grant Linden: | you could control the comments on your profile |
[15:29] | Dunan Wilder: | you just go ahea and write |
[15:29] | Dunan Wilder: | ahead * |
[15:29] | Grant Linden: | they would not be visible unless you approved them |
[15:30] | Dunan Wilder: | aaah i see |
[15:30] | Grant Linden: | in that way it might be a social reputation system |
[15:30] | Jacek Antonelli imagines having thousands of spam comments on her picks to moderate.... ~_~
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[15:30] | Echo Seigo: | exactly lol |
[15:30] | Kippie Friedkin: | heh...scary thought |
[15:30] | Echo Seigo: | a new place to spam lol |
[15:30] | Grant Linden: | that could happen, Jacek |
[15:30] | McCabe Maxsted: | I would like that; it'd turn into the rating system again, prolly |
[15:30] | Dunan Wilder: | a bit like comments people leave on flickr, that would be very interesting yes |
[15:30] | Kippie Friedkin: | Has anyone played around with Plurk? |
[15:31] | Grant Linden: | we could limit how many comments you could make in 24 hours |
[15:31] | Grant Linden: | what is Plurk? |
[15:31] | Echo Seigo: | and since picks seem to be mostly people, it;s be comments on a person in a lot of cases |
[15:31] | Kippie Friedkin: | Their Karma ratings are kind of interesting - based on your activity with the tool. I was wondering how that might work with Second Life. |
[15:31] | Dunan Wilder: | wouldn't that add some load to the server ? downloading many comments ? |
[15:31] | Grant Linden: | ahh |
[15:31] | Kippie Friedkin: | Plurk is a new, shinier Twitter. |
[15:31] | Grant Linden: | interesting |
[15:31] | Kippie Friedkin: | http://www.plurk.com |
[15:31] | Dusan Writer doesnt twitter, hears it's addictive
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[15:32] | Kippie Friedkin: | Basically another micro-blogging platform. |
[15:32] | Kippie Friedkin Twitters too much ;)
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[15:32] | Grant Linden: | so, consider if you could drag a "pick" out of your profile |
[15:32] | Dunan Wilder: | i don't dare start :p |
[15:32] | Echo Seigo: | i posed my first twinter in a month today ;) |
[15:32] | Grant Linden: | and rezz it |
[15:32] | Jacek Antonelli loves Plurk :D
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[15:32] | Dusan Writer: | rezz the pick? |
[15:32] | McCabe Maxsted: | I don't think people would like being able to comment on picks; they'd be used too easily for adding somoene's name then bad mouthing them; but profiles would be good |
[15:32] | Dunan Wilder: | that would be great ! |
[15:32] | Kippie Friedkin: | So with Plurk, you get Karma points for different activities. It would be an interesting to think about a karma point system in SL. (Anyway, back to comments in Picks) I digress :) |
[15:33] | Echo Seigo: | well I wouldnt want someone commenting on me in someone elses profile |
[15:33] | McCabe Maxsted: | that sounds really cool |
[15:33] | Grant Linden: | your store could have a Best picks comments" |
[15:33] | Grant Linden: | like reviews |
[15:33] | Dusan Writer: | yeah |
[15:33] | Grant Linden: | and they could be copied |
[15:33] | Dusan Writer: | the whole concept of what i talked about last time - some sort of Amazon-type "other people also liked" idea |
[15:33] | Grant Linden: | consider a pick that is not a place - like"Torley Vidoes Rock" |
[15:33] | Geneko Nemeth: | XD |
[15:34] | Dunan Wilder: | this would create a sort of giant landmark web |
[15:34] | Dunan Wilder: | sounds good :p |
[15:34] | Grant Linden: | and then the system knew that 66600 residents had comiped that pick |
[15:34] | Kippie Friedkin: | Very interesting |
[15:34] | Kippie Friedkin: | I like that |
[15:34] | Grant Linden: | copied that pick |
[15:34] | Squirrel Wood: | Do I use picks? not really. Do I use landmarks? Hardly ever :p |
[15:34] | Ellla McMahon: | I think there would need to be a no comments allowed options .. I have no wish for anyone to comment on my picks |
[15:34] | Grant Linden: | it becomes a review and a meme |
[15:34] | Grant Linden: | that is good feedback, Ella |
[15:35] | Dusan Writer: | mmmmm memes |
[15:35] | Dunan Wilder: | i like to vuiew profiles and visit the places they have put in picks when it looks interesting |
[15:35] | McCabe Maxsted: | so you'd have a sort of traffic metric... for things that are basically classifieds.... |
[15:35] | Grant Linden: | so I pick couls be a new SL feature idea |
[15:35] | Echo Seigo: | See I wouldnt want anyone to comment on me in someone elses pick |
[15:35] | Grant Linden can't type
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[15:35] | Grant Linden: | that is an excellent point, Echo |
[15:35] | Kippie Friedkin: | What if you could designate different types of picks |
[15:35] | Grant Linden: | I arrived in that space, too :) |
[15:36] | Kippie Friedkin: | Shout-out to Friends, Favorite Places, Memorials, Learning...that sort of thing |
[15:36] | Grant Linden: | yes, catagorized picks |
[15:36] | McCabe Maxsted plots adding a "Grant Linden" pick
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[15:36] | Jacek Antonelli: | hehe |
[15:36] | Dunan Wilder: | well perhaps you could just check a box to allow comments and jsut leave it unchecked squirrel :) |
[15:36] | Grant Linden: | heh |
[15:36] | Kippie Friedkin: | lol |
[15:36] | Grant Linden: | so, are comments valuable? |
[15:37] | Echo Seigo: | or I put a pick for Jacek's bubbles in my picks.. and a competitor posts comments trashing it... |
[15:37] | Echo Seigo: | it would be great, but it could also be abused |
[15:37] | Jacek Antonelli: | Optional comments on picks is an interesting idea.... but not (IMO) needed or particularly valuable |
[15:37] | McCabe Maxsted: | I'd like to see the profile page completely redone, first |
[15:37] | Dunan Wilder: | being able to copy picks would be very nice and the comments, well, the idea is interesting to say the least |
[15:37] | Grant Linden: | you could control the coments on your own profile - but others could trash you on thiers |
[15:37] | Alwa Voight: | agreed McCabe |
[15:37] | Jacek Antonelli: | There are other changes to Picks that would we more useful, and require less infrastructure |
[15:38] | Echo Seigo: | I really like the Amazon idea. Of you like Kippie? You might also enjoy Grant! |
[15:38] | Grant Linden: | would you like to suggest some, Jacek? |
[15:38] | Grant Linden likes small changes too
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[15:39] | Jacek Antonelli: | Having the picks be generalized so they're not just places -- be able to attach any item (permissions allowing) |
[15:39] | Echo Seigo: | It's be nice to set the location to anywhere, easier |
[15:39] | Grant Linden: | nice |
[15:39] | Squirrel Wood: | picks.... allow "categories" like "private", "business", "cool places", .. |
[15:39] | Alwa Voight: | Echo, that would also be awesome if applied to "places" as well as people |
[15:39] | Grant Linden: | very good |
[15:39] | Jacek Antonelli: | Or be able to make a pick about a person, and select them from your friends list / people search |
[15:39] | Jacek Antonelli: | And then have a "Profile for this person" button |
[15:39] | Kippie Friedkin: | Nice. |
[15:39] | McCabe Maxsted: | categories would be a great start; so would more picks; I don't like the differentiation between classifieds and picks, either; I'd like to see those combined so I don't have to post something twice in my profile, with an unlimited classified space, and the ability to show one classified on the front of my profile when first viewed |
[15:39] | Grant Linden: | all excellent ideas |
[15:39] | Echo Seigo: | I like that. like a button similar to see a pertners profile |
[15:40] | Grant Linden: | I would love to be able to pick a builder's store out easier |
[15:40] | Echo Seigo: | custom skining my profile - so other people see my color scheme :) |
[15:40] | Alwa Voight: | how about having an option so that people can know who you are friends with? in esse,ce replicating facebook :) |
[15:40] | Jacek Antonelli: | Yeah, categories would be good. And different colored labels |
[15:40] | Grant Linden: | that could be powerful! |
[15:40] | Jacek Antonelli: | Like how Gmail lets you pick a different background color for the label |
[15:41] | Echo Seigo: | profile customization would be awesome |
[15:41] | Dunan Wilder: | using different colors for the categories would be a help |
[15:41] | Grant Linden: | on Facbook I can set a small statut - what I am doing now - would that be helpful? |
[15:41] | Grant Linden: | satus |
[15:41] | Echo Seigo: | i'll make my profile like some teenagers myspace! |
[15:41] | Grant Linden: | status |
[15:41] | Kippie Friedkin: | A status would be very cool. |
[15:41] | Echo Seigo: | a status in the friends list might e helpful |
[15:41] | McCabe Maxsted: | that would be tying into the social networking thing again: customized profile layouts people could choose from. Skinning would provide that |
[15:41] | Squirrel Wood: | status: permanently afk. |
[15:42] | Alwa Voight: | yes, status is very NICE thing |
[15:42] | Kippie Friedkin: | lol |
[15:42] | Dunan Wilder giggles
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[15:42] | McCabe Maxsted: | something that shows up on other people's friends list |
[15:42] | Alwa Voight: | people can know what you are up to in RL even while offline |
[15:42] | Echo Seigo: | I imagine looking at all my friends online, and in a glace seeing whos doing what (if they share) |
[15:42] | Alwa Voight: | that is a great idea Grant |
[15:42] | Grant Linden: | I was thinking of two kinds of status - one as used in IM that is "this second" and another that is "this week" |
[15:42] | Dunan Wilder: | in contacts then this time |
[15:42] | McCabe Maxsted: | that could be cool, scrolling through looking at what everyone's doing; it'd be like a twitter in contacts |
[15:43] | Alwa Voight: | hmmm..that might be overly complicated Grant |
[15:43] | Grant Linden: | true, "too many pixels" |
[15:43] | Dunan Wilder: | i'm not sure if many would use that status for anything else than busy or afk / building though |
[15:43] | Alwa Voight: | lol, maybe |
[15:43] | Jacek Antonelli: | Hrmm. I know people put some big status things in their profile description -- "On vacation from SL until July", etc. |
[15:43] | Grant Linden: | well, I can see "rollplaying" |
[15:44] | Echo Seigo: | I think seeing if someone is "at a club" or "roleplaying" |
[15:44] | McCabe Maxsted: | "slexing, bbl" |
[15:44] | Grant Linden: | yes |
[15:44] | Dunan Wilder: | yes, very true |
[15:44] | Dunan Wilder giggles
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[15:44] | Jacek Antonelli: | lol McCabe |
[15:44] | Grant Linden: | "with my family" |
[15:44] | Echo Seigo: | "naked. go away." |
[15:44] | McCabe Maxsted: | haha |
[15:44] | Dusan Writer: | if you could group friends better, and have a status like Gmail does something like that? |
[15:44] | Dusan Writer: | problem is you can't be busy to just SOME people |
[15:44] | Grant Linden: | does Gmail have status? |
[15:44] | Kippie Friedkin: | Grouping friends...ooooo... |
[15:44] | Dusan Writer: | yeah |
[15:44] | Kippie Friedkin: | Gmail has status via Google Talk |
[15:44] | Echo Seigo: | i'd like to be able to catagorize my friends list |
[15:44] | Dusan Writer: | gchat or whatever it is |
[15:44] | Jacek Antonelli: | Gtalk has statuses. Yeah. |
[15:44] | McCabe Maxsted: | yeah, you can set customizable statuses |
[15:45] | Jacek Antonelli: | "AFK, getting some food" |
[15:45] | Alwa Voight: | yes, it does |
[15:45] | Dusan Writer: | if you could categorize friends and have toggles, then a global status is less relevant |
[15:45] | Grant Linden: | Grouping Friends is in the public Jira now |
[15:45] | McCabe Maxsted: | mine is "I'm here, really" |
[15:45] | Grant Linden: | (go vote) |
[15:45] | Dusan Writer runs, sprints to vote
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[15:45] | Grant Linden: | that would be handy, Dusan |
[15:45] | McCabe Maxsted: | oh speaking of jiras! http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7827 |
[15:45] | Echo Seigo: | flickr stype tagging on peoples profile picks :) |
[15:45] | Squirrel Wood: | friends... I would like to see names shown in different colors on my friend list... like, those that have not logged on in six months show up on a red background... to make cleaning up that list easier? |
[15:45] | Kippie Friedkin rushes off to vote
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[15:45] | Dunan Wilder: | like making conference chat easier ? that would be nice also |
[15:46] | Echo Seigo: | i didnt know it was hard now? |
[15:46] | McCabe Maxsted: | I wanted to ask you guys what name I should pick for doing profile cuts for boxes, since it's a bitawkward to clal it that; I was thinking "slice" |
[15:46] | Grant Linden: | is there anything that is compelling about "Interests?" |
[15:46] | McCabe Maxsted: | sorry, off topic |
[15:46] | Kippie Friedkin: | Anyone have a link to that PJIRA for grouping friends? |
[15:46] | Geneko Nemeth wonders how to tranlsate that "slice"
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[15:46] | Grant Linden: | humm |
[15:47] | Grant Linden: | the jira was in last weeks transcripts |
[15:47] | Jacek Antonelli: | Interests would be more useful if it was just a big block of text that you could put whatever you want in it, hehe |
[15:47] | Kippie Friedkin: | okay, cool...I can dig it up :) |
[15:47] | Echo Seigo: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-890 |
[15:47] | Jacek Antonelli: | The checkboxes are... meh. |
[15:47] | Echo Seigo: | i think |
[15:47] | Kippie Friedkin: | I agree. The interest section is very limited now |
[15:47] | Geneko Nemeth: | Checkboxes has one good thing, |
[15:47] | Alwa Voight: | ya, the checkboxes are too inflexible |
[15:47] | Geneko Nemeth: | that is they can be translated. |
[15:47] | Dunan Wilder: | well hard no, but if a friend hadn't showed how to do it i wouldn't have guessed how to. Dragging the calling cards in a folder... |
[15:47] | Kippie Friedkin: | Thanks, Echo |
[15:48] | Squirrel Wood: | interests, yes. not searchable either |
[15:48] | McCabe Maxsted: | thanks echo |
[15:48] | Kippie Friedkin: | I'd like to be able to search People by interests now that you mention it |
[15:48] | Alwa Voight: | me too |
[15:48] | Geneko Nemeth: | If someone types in, like, French and I only know Chinese, I won't be able to read it. |
[15:48] | Grant Linden: | for skills? |
[15:48] | Echo Seigo: | as well as languages |
[15:48] | Squirrel Wood: | no way to search for a scripter who seeks to be hored |
[15:48] | Squirrel Wood: | hired even |
[15:48] | McCabe Maxsted: | that's a really good point squirrel |
[15:48] | Kippie Friedkin: | exactly |
[15:49] | Dunan Wilder: | oh yes, that would be nice, especially when you want to hire people for certain skills |
[15:49] | Grant Linden: | languages seems to need to be checkboxes and free text |
[15:49] | Alwa Voight: | yp |
[15:49] | Geneko Nemeth: | Maybe listboxes instead of checkboxes. |
[15:49] | Geneko Nemeth: | With hundreds of languages out there... |
[15:49] | Echo Seigo: | need an "rss" tab, where people see my rss feeds whem tehy look at my profile! :) |
[15:49] | McCabe Maxsted: | there's a few outside websites for hiring people like contractors but something inworld that the whole population could use as a resource for stuff like finding scriptors/builders or staff would be great |
[15:50] | Jacek Antonelli: | Hrmm. "Seaching for [X] Scripting [X] Wants to be hired... 25,521 results found." |
[15:50] | Grant Linden: | what do you use the "web" tab for? |
[15:50] | McCabe Maxsted: | haha |
[15:50] | McCabe Maxsted: | don't click mine if yo uhave default loading enabled |
[15:50] | Kippie Friedkin: | I use it for nothing at the moment |
[15:50] | Geneko Nemeth: | My weblog? A personal page of mine? |
[15:50] | Jacek Antonelli: | I have my blog |
[15:50] | Echo Seigo: | oh hey i have my blog too |
[15:50] | Echo Seigo: | i didnt know that! |
[15:51] | Jacek Antonelli: | hehe |
[15:51] | Grant Linden: | heh |
[15:51] | Alwa Voight: | i am not using it |
[15:51] | Jacek Antonelli: | Having the link is kinda useful, but the profile window is so tiny... |
[15:51] | Geneko Nemeth: | Poser anim in Blender! Whoa! |
[15:51] | Squirrel Wood: | too bad that the rating system has been taken out... it could be of use with skills.... |
[15:51] | McCabe Maxsted: | somethign I've been wondering: what if we made all profiles part of the web, and could access/edit them outside of SL'99 |
[15:51] | Grant Linden: | we could populate that with your own SL web page of some kind |
[15:51] | Echo Seigo: | and add bling to them! |
[15:51] | Echo Seigo: | :) |
[15:51] | Grant Linden: | yes, McCabe |
[15:51] | McCabe Maxsted: | could have a second life social networking site out of world that ties to in |
[15:52] | Kippie Friedkin: | yes! |
[15:52] | Jacek Antonelli: | embedding the actual web page in the profile is not so useful. I'd rather just have a button to open up the link in the regular web browser window |
[15:52] | Grant Linden: | or links to your avies flirk |
[15:52] | Squirrel Wood: | Yes! Profiles need Bling! Pimp My Profile! |
[15:52] | Grant Linden: | flikr |
[15:52] | Grant Linden: | yes |
[15:52] | Echo Seigo: | yes! Primp of Profile :) |
[15:52] | Alwa Voight: | I would love to see a snpshot of my webpage on the Web tab |
[15:52] | Jacek Antonelli: | That would be cool -- have a list of URLs intead of just the one. And maybe have some presets. Flickr / Twitter / Blog / Email ? |
[15:52] | Jacek Antonelli: | MySpace, etc |
[15:52] | Kippie Friedkin: | That's a great idea. |
[15:53] | Dusan Writer: | i'd like to see 3D avatars in facebook like Spore has :) |
[15:53] | Kippie Friedkin: | I use my 1st Life tab for that now |
[15:53] | Jacek Antonelli: | hehe, Spores pictures are so cool. I love how they embed the creature data right in the PNG! So clever |
[15:53] | Dusan Writer nods
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[15:53] | Dusan Writer: | we need that here, avatar creation ahead of entering the Grid, but i'm a broken record on that :P |
[15:54] | McCabe Maxsted: | and decent avatar creation UIs |
[15:54] | Echo Seigo: | I wish my profile had an option to show a rendering of my avatar at that very moment, in motion :) |
[15:54] | Dusan Writer nods
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[15:54] | Jacek Antonelli: | Borrow Spore's creature creator to make avatars in SL >:D |
[15:54] | McCabe Maxsted: | you can't even change the layout from xml, and the presets are so so horrible |
[15:54] | Squirrel Wood: | spore? Isn't there an inofficial contest going on atm as to who makes the biggest penis spore creature ? |
[15:54] | Jacek Antonelli: | lol Squirrel |
[15:54] | Echo Seigo: | lol |
[15:54] | Geneko Nemeth: | Sounds like Mabinogi ^_^ |
[15:54] | Dusan Writer: | see? user engagement! |
[15:54] | Grant Linden: | I have another crazy Idea |
[15:54] | Bridie Linden is Online
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[15:54] | Dusan Writer: | attracts newbies too haha |
[15:55] | Grant Linden: | if under your profiel picture there was a button that took your picture |
[15:55] | Squirrel Wood: | crazy ideas? file a ticket with me and I'll get back to you with one asap ^^ |
[15:55] | Grant Linden: | it spun the camera around to face you |
[15:55] | Dusan Writer: | uh oh, photo studios wont like you grant |
[15:55] | Echo Seigo: | i dont like it. |
[15:55] | Grant Linden: | and the photo upload was free |
[15:55] | Alwa Voight: | good idea Grant, right now you donwload and you upload/pay 10L$ |
[15:55] | Dusan Writer nods
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[15:55] | Dusan Writer: | good idea |
[15:55] | Echo Seigo: | But some people night |
[15:55] | Jacek Antonelli: | Free is good... easy for newbies is good.... |
[15:56] | Echo Seigo: | yup |
[15:56] | Char Linden is Online
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[15:56] | Jacek Antonelli: | The rest I am not so enthusiastic about, lol |
[15:56] | Kippie Friedkin nods
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[15:56] | Grant Linden: | most newbies don't understand the whole "turn the camera aound" idea |
[15:56] | McCabe Maxsted: | people would like that; people would like that even more if we had better camera presets and controls *coughs and beats a dead horse about it* |
[15:56] | Squirrel Wood: | Oh! Oh! With the current UI there is one thing I absolutely dislike - focus your camera anywhere with your avatar still visible. then click your avatar where there is no "touch" event script active and the camera immediately "resets" |
[15:56] | Echo Seigo: | I think the best idea i've heard was profile skinning |
[15:56] | McCabe Maxsted: | I'd lov eto be able to actually set my camera |
[15:56] | McCabe Maxsted: | so that when I move through SL'99 my camera *stays* |
[15:57] | Grant Linden: | interesting |
[15:57] | Echo Seigo: | yeah, having locked in camera positions |
[15:57] | Squirrel Wood: | if you click anywhere in the environment or any attachment part with a touch handler - camera stays. |
[15:57] | Jacek Antonelli: | I think it would be okay if it was limited -- it'd take a snapshot of your face/shoulders automatically, and upload it and put it in your profile |
[15:57] | Echo Seigo: | like a built in follow cam sort of |
[15:57] | McCabe Maxsted: | camera lock: a serious feature we've been missing |
[15:57] | Grant Linden: | yes, I am thinking limited |
[15:57] | Alwa Voight: | agree Echo, I'd like to see myself from a different perspective while flying |
[15:58] | Kippie Friedkin: | LImited head and shoulders is good. The postcard/snapshot method is too clunky now |
[15:58] | Echo Seigo: | yeah every other game has that |
[15:58] | Geneko Nemeth: | Joystick Flycam is kinda like camera lock if yo udon't move the camera. |
[15:58] | McCabe Maxsted: | but how would it tell what's the head and shoulders? |
[15:58] | McCabe Maxsted: | I don't think it's doable, considering the variety of avs |
[15:58] | Grant Linden: | we are coming to a close, are there any other ideas that need to be brought up to this fine group? |
[15:58] | Geneko Nemeth: | But per Alwa, it's a good idea to only lock the angle and still let the camera move with you. |
[15:58] | Echo Seigo: | i'd be curious to see what percentabe it woulf work for |
[15:58] | Alwa Voight: | that is what i meant Geneko |
[15:59] | McCabe Maxsted: | yes; are people posting to the mailing list? because I haven't gotten anything this week |
[15:59] | Geneko Nemeth: | That's why I said "per Alwa". |
[15:59] | Squirrel Wood: | Give us time till next week to cook up more crazy ideas? ^^ |
[15:59] | Alwa Voight: | :) |
[15:59] | Kippie Friedkin: | The list has been pretty quiet |
[15:59] | McCabe Maxsted: | so I was wondering if I should send some ideas out or not I have |
[15:59] | Jacek Antonelli: | It probably woludn't work for the really unusual avatars (giant mechs, etc.), but for the majority you'd be able to figure out where the head is based on the avatar skeleton |
[15:59] | McCabe Maxsted: | nobody replied to my skinning group question, made me sad |
[15:59] | Kippie Friedkin: | I would love to see some of these topics continue on teh list |
[15:59] | Dusan Writer: | yeah get the mailing list going! |
[16:00] | Geneko Nemeth will have his head cut out from the avatar picture if this gets implemented
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[16:00] | Jacek Antonelli: | McCabe: please do send out ideas. We need to get the motor running I think |
[16:00] | Dusan Writer: | i just joined i'll try to say something um half relevant |
[16:00] | Grant Linden: | good feedback, more use of the mailing list |
[16:00] | McCabe Maxsted: | grant: your mission is to post on the list now! I will join you |
[16:00] | Jacek Antonelli: | Also, I didn't even know that the mailing list was up until McCabe IMed me asking why no one was replying, lol |
[16:00] | Grant Linden: | thanks to everyone for coming! |
[16:00] | Dusan Writer: | send the skinning question again maybe :) |
[16:00] | Jacek Antonelli: | Thanks for hosting, Grant and Ben! |
[16:00] | Dusan Writer: | thanks grant and ben |
[16:00] | Squirrel Wood: | Thanks for having us ^^ |
[16:00] | Alwa Voight: | thanks Grant and Ben |
[16:00] | Kippie Friedkin: | Thanks everybody! |
[16:00] | Jacek Antonelli: | Dusan, you should start a discussion about your contest :D |
[16:00] | Grant Linden: | see you all next week :) |
[16:00] | McCabe Maxsted: | take care. Say hi to malbers! |
[16:01] | Grant Linden: | I will |
[16:01] | Dunan Wilder: | thank you :)} |