User:CG Linden/2008-07-15

Transcript of CG Linden's office hours:

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Gellan Glenelg:

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well, with an attitude like that, I'm not surprised you dont get what you want

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MineSweeper v2.1j:

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secondlife:///app/teleport/Longfellow/194/55/26

Arawn Spitteler won L$12 with a score of 151

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Gellan Glenelg:

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hi CG

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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Hello CG

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Close Range:

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Lamorna Proctor [22m]

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Close Range:

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Aargle Zymurgy [23m]

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CG Linden:

Good morning folks

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HALEY Salomon:

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good morning to you

[8:00]

Lamorna Proctor:

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Hi CG

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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woohoo!

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Dartagan Shepherd:

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greets, CG

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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is this where the party is?

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CG Linden:

Dunno about party :)

[8:00]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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this is the best time you can have at 8AM

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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hm.. no sex, drugs and rock & roll?

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CG Linden:

/yawns

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CG Linden:

I see grey people

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Aimee Trescothick:

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must be contagious, me too

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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is that like frmo a new movie, the "SLixth SLense?"

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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dang... try saying THAT title outloud

[8:02]

Lamorna Proctor:

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yesh

[8:02]

Lamorna Proctor puts her teeth back in

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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LOL

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HALEY Salomon:

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so,, the new release came out and then you went backwards??

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CG Linden:

(-;

[8:02]

CG Linden:

well, server side, yes

[8:03]

Lamorna Proctor:

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nice to see someone with a Cornish last name, Aimee

[8:03]

CG Linden:

one of the back end jobs was rewriting the xml parser that saves sim states, and it seems it ate the newlines in strings

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Aimee Trescothick:

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:D the rest of me is Cornish too :)

[8:03]

CG Linden:

then we discovered a memory leak...

[8:03]

Lamorna Proctor:

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me too

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Aargle Zymurgy is just Corny

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Aimee Trescothick:

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cool :)

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CG Linden:

we're stilltesting the fixes for that, and we may try again later this week

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CG Linden:

this of course affects the release date for mono

[8:04]

Lamorna Proctor:

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:(((

[8:05]

CG Linden:

so we're still looking at "in 3 weeks"

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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bummer

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CG Linden:

one problem is that the viewer side is a little behind too

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Lamorna Proctor:

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all i want for Christmas is my Mono

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CG Linden wants a Bonanza

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Close Range:

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Bri Gufler [29m]

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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well, does that increase the chances of the UV touch code added?

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CG Linden:

Hi Bri

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Bri Gufler:

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Hi Everyone

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Aargle Zymurgy looks for the silver lining

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CG Linden:

it's in the queue, but I'll know better end of this week

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HALEY Salomon:

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it's in preferences giggles

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HALEY Salomon:

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silver get it??

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Aimee Trescothick:

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(If you run it on a dual-core does it become Stereo?)

[8:06]

Aargle Zymurgy blinks

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Lamorna Proctor:

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i didn't know you could set "giggles" in preferences

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CG Linden:

but one could set bonanza I guess :)

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HALEY Salomon:

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haha

[8:07]

Aargle Zymurgy watches as the conversation takes a serious downhill turn.

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CG Linden:

So, we started the BSI program

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CG Linden:

gosh is texture loading slow...

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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is my name still in that?

[8:08]

Aimee Trescothick:

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I sometimes wonder if it would be quicker to pain the textures myself

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CG Linden:

let me see the download queue...

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Aimee Trescothick:

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*paint

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CG Linden:

Hm.... no pending downloads.

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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"... it's either going to be a photo finish or an oil painting...." -- Spike Jones

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CG Linden:

must be my home network

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CG Linden:

ok, hmmm

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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seems the bandwidth throttle is not opening up

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CG Linden:

so viewer side, RC14 will be the last one in the 1.20 series

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CG Linden:

comes out this week, we expect to make it the default viewer next week

[8:11]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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love the skin choice

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CG Linden:

1.21 will include mono support, some changes to the UI for snapshots, voice group moderation (yeah - that one's been sitting in the queue for months)

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CG Linden:

and a couple of little tools to help G-Team and support, not sure what they are in detail

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CG Linden hopes its some more help to track down particle spammers

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Lamorna Proctor:

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just going back to server-side, CG, is there any word on my chess piece bug?

[8:13]

CG Linden:

Bri finally turned from grey to black...

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Dartagan Shepherd:

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what's the voice moderation?

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CG Linden:

Andrew is working on the collision detection bug

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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as opposed to voice modulation? :-)

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CG Linden:

yours is next

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Lamorna Proctor:

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:) thanks

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CG Linden:

let me check, quickly...

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CG Linden:

(what voice group moderation is)

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CG Linden:

I thinkmI know, but better to read the docs :)

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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docs? we don't need no steeenking docs!

[8:15]

Lamorna Proctor:

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when all else fails, read the instructions

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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I thought it was "if at first you don't succeed..... read the directions"

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Bri Gufler:

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This makes me feel like I should put on my RTFM shirt :)

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Lamorna Proctor:

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:)

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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I need one of those.

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Lamorna Proctor:

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me too

[8:16]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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AH, sweet!

[8:16]

Lamorna Proctor:

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thanks Bri :)

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Bri Gufler:

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yw :)

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CG Linden:

ok, voice group moderation adds a new conversation mode

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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like

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CG Linden:

it only applies for group voice or text chat

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CG Linden:

new entrants to a moderated group will start life muted

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HALEY Salomon:

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the UI for snapshots does that mean we will,, be able to set the aspect ratio again?? forgiving on understanding all of the ,, language

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Dartagan Shepherd:

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ah, like a +v in an IRC room

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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oops Dart

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CG Linden:

The moderator can then give the "floor" to anyone he wishes, and yank it away, too.

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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oh that sounds good

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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oh, nice.... does that mean you can't have spammers suddenly starting group chats with "free $L come camp at ________" ?

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Bri Gufler:

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That is a great idea

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CG Linden:

yep

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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\o/

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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Yay!

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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/ \

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Dartagan Shepherd grins

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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I would like to be able to start a confenernce from the active Channel list

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CG Linden:

File a PJIRA :)

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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that would really help in the Mentor Channel

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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geez.... it'll help ALL my groups

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HALEY Salomon:

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so you can shut somebody up in a group without throwing them out??

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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you can do that already

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CG Linden:

yes, in fact, in a moderated group, everyome starts out shut up

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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oh?

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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hm

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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click the << top right and click on their name

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Bri Gufler:

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This is GREAT. We have needed this for a while

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CG Linden:

now all you can do is personallty mte them

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CG Linden:

and there is a bug, that's being fixed in RC14 I believe, where muted residents can still get back to you by starting a group chat in a group you belong...

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CG Linden:

stuff people will do to harrass and stalk, amazing...

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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yes I have seen that

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CG Linden:

so VWR-7510 will be fixed in RC14

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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people need better hobbies

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CG Linden:

where are the fashion designers inhad last time?

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CG Linden:

Bubbly something :)

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CG Linden:

for once I could actually do something...

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HALEY Salomon:

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speaking of ,, fashion,, really like the blue suit

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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It isrumoured that when LL closed the SL5B sims, something went haywire and the asset servrs have been staggering ever since.

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CG Linden:

oh thank you , or rather thank Swaffette

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CG Linden:

whenever someone says "asset server", you can probably discount the rumor :)

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CG Linden:

In my ample free time, I'm going to build a little model of the server side, and hopefully then you'll understand that "asset server" doesn't really exist

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Lamorna Proctor:

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lol

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Bri Gufler:

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actually a model made of prims would be cool.

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CG Linden:

as far as I know, SL5B had no impact

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CG Linden:

yep, that was what I was thinking - with little pipes that flow ....

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Starfox Howl:

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Then why is "The asset server....." referred to in the blogs?

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Bri Gufler:

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That would be great. Particle beams that show the path of a request, etc.

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CG Linden:

it's a shorthand for a variety of systems

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Lamorna Proctor:

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it will have to be made up of lab equipment, like retort stands, etc

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CG Linden:

I think most of you were there when I showed you the asset usage graph

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Lamorna Proctor:

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and flasks of stuff glugging away

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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and one of those Jacob's Ladder things buzzing away

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HALEY Salomon:

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yes,, the charts help us understand

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Lamorna Proctor:

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heheh

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CG Linden:

the "asset server", if you want to call it, is composed of two 56 node clusters storing 240 TB of data each

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Aimee Trescothick:

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packet loss modelled by a leak in the bottom

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Lamorna Proctor:

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lol @ aimee

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Starfox Howl:

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and attened to by a flock of code monkeys? or would that be black robed computer alcoyites?

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CG Linden:

think one honking huge file server

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CG Linden:

as of late, it's actually been working pretty well

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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ah thats why you refer to them as Clusters

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CG Linden:

but asset problems can occur in a variety of places

[8:30]

Starfox Howl:

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Are they SUN RISC machines, Mr. Linden?

[8:30]

CG Linden:

no :)

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CG Linden:

you're dating yourself :)

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Aimee Trescothick often wonders where the lost packets go, I reckon theres a pile of little lost hair and shoes at the bottom of each server rack

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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lol

[8:30]

Gellan Glenelg:

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ZX81s? ;P

[8:30]

Aimee Trescothick:

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or they may get sucked away by the hvac system

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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those join those missing single-socks

[8:30]

Gellan Glenelg:

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(yes - I *am* old)

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Starfox Howl:

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I don't do much with computers. Mostly I'm still learning.

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Lamorna Proctor:

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the transaction server is an original Charles Babbage Analytical Engine :)

[8:31]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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does LL have any Mainframes

[8:31]

CG Linden:

hehe

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Aargle Zymurgy:

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LOL @ Lam

[8:31]

CG Linden:

might as well be, since we don't have one :)

[8:31]

Starfox Howl:

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ohhhhhh.. no wonder my babbler is slow.

[8:31]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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got one of those Turing machines with the strip of paper?

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CG Linden:

no mainframes, although arguably our databse servers would have been mainframes just a few years ago

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Aimee Trescothick wonders how often they change the vacuum tubes

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Bri Gufler:

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Most of our desktops would have been mainframes 10 years ago :)

[8:32]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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"now, you too can play Zyngo that's stored on punch-cards!"

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Starfox Howl:

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Aimee, is that before or after the moth gets caught in the racks?

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Lamorna Proctor:

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my 1 TB external hard drive would have been a mainframe a few years ago

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Bri Gufler:

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Though not with balanced IO, etc.

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Aimee Trescothick:

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:)

[8:33]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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and I heard you now have a Redundant Data storeage device

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CG Linden:

our goal is to decentralize, if anything

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Aimee Trescothick still has a 5MB hard drive around somewhere :D

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Starfox Howl:

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ARgyle, I'm learning those right now.

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CG Linden:

the asset cluster was always a redundent storage device

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CG Linden:

we can lose two nodes and not lose any data

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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DASD

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Lamorna Proctor:

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it's actually a Redundant Data Storage Data Server

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CG Linden:

and we have two of them

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XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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wow

[8:34]

CG Linden:

Hi Cummere

[8:34]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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is that in RAM or Disk Drive

[8:35]

Cummere Mayo:

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'ello sorryy way overslept

[8:35]

Starfox Howl:

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That would be interesting, to see a 540 Terrabyte memory array.

[8:35]

Starfox Howl:

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sorry 240 TB

[8:35]

CG Linden:

the nodes end up looking a lot like conventional web servers

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CG Linden:

so... your fashionistas will be happy to know that http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8012 turns out to be a one-line fix which will be in the 1.21 viewer

[8:36]

Starfox Howl:

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The more we talk about it, the more I start feeling like TRON.

[8:36]

CG Linden:

hehe

[8:36]

Cummere Mayo:

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yay!

[8:36]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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now about just going with 0.24 PB?

[8:36]

Close Range:

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Eglantine Frog [38m]

[8:37]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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you will be assimilated

[8:37]

CG Linden:

I need to build the "bit", I know the gesture exists

[8:38]

Starfox Howl:

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WHat about the JIRA entry about the Animation Overrides?

[8:38]

Starfox Howl:

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Sorry, I don't have the number.

[8:38]

Lamorna Proctor:

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which problem is it?

[8:38]

CG Linden:

Neither do I :)

[8:39]

CG Linden:

so what problem is that?

[8:39]

McCabe Maxsted:

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lemme find it

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Starfox Howl:

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I think its the one where AO will be replaced by allowing the user to replace the anamations directly, rather than have a scritp checking and overriding the default animations.

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McCabe Maxsted:

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http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-386

[8:40]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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oh, that would be heaven if you ask me.

[8:40]

Lamorna Proctor would be ecstatic

[8:40]

Cummere Mayo shrugs "dunno but since .13 came out i cant even use my aos half the time. get constant stack heap errors

[8:40]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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which AO ar eyou using, Cummere?

[8:41]

Starfox Howl:

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I was asked by a group blast to vote on it, but I don't understand enough about scripting and things to vote properly.

[8:41]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

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I have never seen these before EnusBot109 LLQABot

[8:41]

CG Linden:

I don't think anyone's working on that at the moment

[8:41]

HALEY Salomon:

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don't worry,,, I know you can get some that will work,,, perfectly,,

[8:41]

McCabe Maxsted:

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basically, AOs are a scripting hack to override the default animations, and they use up a lot of cycles. The feature request is to have the viewer come with an ability to replace default animatins built in to avoid that

[8:41]

CG Linden:

All those people on the blog who clamor "fix bugs, don't add new features" scared us or something :)

[8:42]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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that's too bad. though, I'd love to smack some of the animators here for not giving us choices on priorities. I almost wish that was an option on modifiable animation

[8:42]

Cummere Mayo:

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a couple of zhaos and A KD override

[8:42]

McCabe Maxsted:

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hehe :)

[8:42]

Lamorna Proctor strongly agrees with priority modification

[8:42]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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you could probably trim the zhao down a bit if you knew scripting

[8:43]

Lamorna Proctor:

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but it's a very good idea, and one i suggest you prioritize when the time comes :)

[8:43]

Starfox Howl:

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Well, Mr. Linden, aren't they correct, that you need to fix what you have before adding something new?

[8:43]

McCabe Maxsted:

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1.20.13 seems to have introduced a new memory leak; is there anyone at LL tracking those down?

[8:43]

Lamorna Proctor:

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it would cut down a lot of lag

[8:43]

HALEY Salomon:

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the first AO I made made me cry there are better ones ,, already configured

[8:43]

CG Linden:

well, as usual, and like everything else in real life, it isn't that simple

[8:43]

Starfox Howl smiles and nods

[8:43]

Aargle Zymurgy:

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I'm with Lam.... that change alone would help since everyone and his alt has an AO here.

[8:43]

Starfox Howl:

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oh don't I know that's true.

[8:44]

CG Linden:

The skinning pro=ject you're seeing is just the beginning

[8:44]

Starfox Howl:

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eh?

[8:44]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

who's getting skinned?

[8:44]

CG Linden:

you could say it's a new feature, but in fact it grew out of a wholesale cleanup

[8:45]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

I think LL can very well add new features and repair any deficiencies

[8:45]

CG Linden:

the viewer, if you haven't noticed :)

[8:45]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

I'm using 1.19.1

[8:45]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

hehe yeah, I gotta say I appreciate all that background stuff nobody but viewer tinkerers see :)

[8:46]

CG Linden:

anyway, the deeper goal of that project is to abstract out the functionality from the interface, and the expectation is that we end up wioth a scriptable viewer

[8:46]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

Sorry, I've been in the process of moving my home the last few weeks and haven't really been paying attention.

[8:46]

CG Linden:

which will make UI changes a lot simpler and faster to implement, and also allow better testing

[8:46]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

notice how I said Deficiencies not problems there are no problems only oppertunities to fix things

[8:47]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

xlr they do allot. but some are harder then others to do

[8:47]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

LL is doing a Great job

[8:47]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

This new viewer, is it available now for use?

[8:48]

CG Linden:

you can get it from the download page under "test viewers"

[8:48]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

RC 13 is out

[8:48]

CG Linden:

we expect it to become the default viewer next week

[8:48]

Starfox Howl smiles

[8:48]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

btw.... does anyone know the name of the font used in our titles and hovertext?

[8:48]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

yeah, it's in the fonts folder in the install

[8:48]

CG Linden:

let me see...

[8:48]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

too small?

[8:48]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

now why would the frame rate,,,, be lower on the new one ??? or is it just lower for everyone this morning??

[8:49]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

I have my UI set to .75 really small

[8:49]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

http://secondlife.com/support/downloads.php#download-Testviewers

[8:49]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

that's the lnk starfox

[8:49]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

if you set it to 1.00 it gets bigger

[8:49]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

thank you MR. Maxsted.

[8:50]

CG Linden:

sim FPS are normal

[8:50]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

Ping just went to 3005 ms and is hovering at 1000ms

[8:51]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

I know this place is a lot more stable recently. My dad and I come in world to talk, rather than use the phone.

[8:51]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

something is going on

[8:51]

CG Linden:

network stuff is notoriously hard and most likely due to external stuf

[8:51]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

o

[8:52]

Gellan Glenelg:

.

180ms ping here... from 5500 miles away

[8:52]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

Solar flairs

[8:53]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

hey isa

[8:53]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

did the chipmunk running the data pump die?

[8:53]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Hey there

[8:53]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

must need to change the hamsters out

[8:53]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

lol mccabe

[8:54]

CG Linden:

looks like we use a package called profontwindows and MtBdLfRg - sans serif

[8:54]

CG Linden:

it's likely part of the opengl lib

[8:55]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

hey cg if you have a few after the end of the meeting isa here has some questiosn about mono and what it is and does *Srhugs*

[8:55]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

looking to change the font?

[8:56]

Close Range:

. . . .

TLo Lorefield [34m]

[8:56]

Gellan Glenelg:

.

not according to http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/03/sl_makes_meta_f.html << claims they are commercial fonts that LL has no licence to distribute!

[8:56]

Close Range:

. . . .

TLo Lorefield [35m]

[8:56]

CG Linden:

ask away, Cummere

[8:56]

Aimee Trescothick:

. . . . . . . . .

I think that licencing thing was sorted out ages ago

[8:56]

Close Range:

. . . .

TLo Lorefield [40m]

[8:56]

Cummere Mayo pokes isa "thats your chance

[8:56]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

hm interesting

[8:56]

CG Linden:

well, secondlifeherald isn't exactly a trustworthy source...

[8:56]

Aimee Trescothick:

. . . . . . . . .

lol

[8:57]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

I'm not looking to replace it.... just have graphics that tend t match

[8:57]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Its really a simple uestion, Is mono a new compiler only? or will there be some added/modified functions as well?

[8:59]

CG Linden:

as far as I know, there will be no mono-specific new functions, but we may add support for other languages whuch can assess the lsl functions as a library call

[8:59]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

that would be MUCH nicer

[8:59]

White Player's Seat: TLo Lorefield is playing White

[8:59]

Aargle Zymurgy wants real arrays

[8:59]

CG Linden:

mono really is a new VM and that includes a new compiler to generate the byte code for the new vm

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 1, White to play

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 1. d2-d4

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 1, Black to play

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square

[9:00]

CG Linden:

the main goal is to improve performance and to allow the use of existinglanguages

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move

[9:00]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

What virtual Machine are you using now, Mr. Linden?

[9:00]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

are there plans for a library of commonly used scripts, do you know?

[9:00]

Black Player's Seat: TLo Lorefield is playing Black

[9:00]

CG Linden:

homegrown

[9:00]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 1. ... d7-d5

[9:01]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

Ah, the best kind. :-)

[9:01]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

it's been talked about with great support on the JIRA

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 2. e2-e4

[9:01]

CG Linden:

and no imediate plans, although i expect that we will provide a proepr wrapper library for lsl calls when we implement, say, C# support

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 2. ... d5xe4

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 3. f2-f3

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 3. ... e4xf3

[9:01]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

\o/

[9:01]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

colspan="13" style="white-space:normal;"

Yay!

[9:01]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

/ \

[9:01]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move

[9:02]

Close Range:

. . . .

Aric Linden [33m]

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 4. Qd1xf3

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 4, Black to play

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move

[9:02]

CG Linden:

lsl has a couple of idiosyncracies that need a little work to translate into a classic OO model

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move

[9:02]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

cg any plans to up the lsl limits from 24 to 28 chas yet? especially since theres a goring number fo sl residents with NAMES more then 24 chars?

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is Black to move

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 4. ... Qd8xd4

[9:02]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

You couldn't do this in something simple, like VB or PERL Script?

[9:02]

CG Linden:

?

[9:02]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

*48

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Sorry, it is White to move

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 5. Qf3xf7+

[9:02]

CG Linden:

which limit is that?

[9:02]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Black moves 5. ... Ke8xf7

[9:03]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 6, White to play

[9:03]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square

[9:03]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: White moves 6. Bc1-h6

[9:03]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Move 6, Black to play

[9:03]

Sculpted Chess Set V3.0.2 whispers: Please click a piece, and then click one of the squares outlined in blue to move it to that square

[9:04]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

is acan explain more then i can but soemof the lsl call commands are limited to 24 chars... which means if you get soemone like my sl sister who has a name like minakothegothicgeisa kamachi things tend to break if you do a call on her name

[9:04]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

a "couple" idiosyncrasies? :-D

[9:04]

TLo Lorefield:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

ow my body hurts

[9:04]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

you would be reffering to llDialog Cummere

[9:04]

CG Linden:

I actually like most of them, I think the async event model is cute, and state machines ar eneat

[9:05]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

thats one of them isa

[9:05]

CG Linden:

well, I hope to see llDialog be reoplaced with something better...

[9:05]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

the string-handling routines have boundary-condition bugs which are a rea pain

[9:05]

CG Linden:

we were pretty close to doing that, but then other priorities came in

[9:05]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

*real

[9:06]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

I'd like a dialog box you can enter text into.

[9:06]

Bri Gufler:

. . . . . . . . . .

what kind of replacement for llDialog

[9:06]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

but that's just me.

[9:06]

Dartagan Shepherd:

. . . . . . . .

a prompt, right ... that'd go a long way

[9:06]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

hidden tags associated with each option would be nice too

[9:06]

CG Linden:

the idea is to have urls that would trigger events in scripts, so essentially any web page rendered inworld can trigger stuff, and...

[9:07]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

"oh, and Santa Linden, for Christmas, I also want......"

[9:07]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

you know what would be really cool is if you through out a list of tasks that you'd be interested in doing that would get linden support, or severside help, but an opensource coder could work on while you tackle your own priorities

[9:07]

CG Linden:

once you have the capability to serve http from scripts, then you can process html forms, which gives you your text entry boxes

[9:08]

Bri Gufler:

. . . . . . . . . .

that would be awesome

[9:08]

Dartagan Shepherd:

. . . . . . . .

beautiful

[9:08]

CG Linden:

You shiuld bring that up with Rob Linden

[9:08]

CG Linden:

he's our sldev/opensource guy

[9:08]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

CG, would the http call buffer still be in place?

[9:08]

CG Linden:

but I'll mention it

[9:08]

Bri Gufler:

. . . . . . . . . .

Argh. I have to excuse myself for a RL meeting. Thanks for the time CG. This has been a great learning experience as always.

[9:09]

Bri Gufler:

. . . . . . . . . .

Take care everyone. See you next tie :)

[9:09]

Bri Gufler:

. . . . . . . . . .

*time

[9:09]

CG Linden:

bye

[9:09]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

bye Bri, and ty again for ther shirt

[9:09]

CG Linden:

http call buffer?

[9:09]

CG Linden:

we're not getting rid of llHttpRequest, if that's what you're asking

[9:09]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

it prevents objects in a sim owned by one person from making more than 1 http call per second

[9:09]

Lamorna Proctor breathes a sigh of relief

[9:10]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

Mr. Linden, if I may ask, why is it that when I search the events database for "Office" or "Linden" nothing is returned?

[9:10]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

its not hard to work around, just curious if there are any plans since your taling about making html forms in world and such

[9:11]

CG Linden:

Oh that, well, the restrictions are there for good reason, and if anything, we'll make the throttling even stricter

[9:11]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

They must be banned words, like "casino" and "poker" :)

[9:11]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

LOL @ Lam

[9:11]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

I was just about to say that.

[9:11]

CG Linden:

it should be obvious why

[9:11]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

and "texas"... they banned an entire state :)

[9:11]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

really? I never tried that.

[9:12]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

they banned texas in the event search?

[9:12]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

oh.. if it was gone, it's back

[9:12]

Lamorna Proctor will put the database to work by searching for "the"

[9:12]

Isabeu Hand:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

well, to prevent sl from being used as a platform for DDOS attacks on other sites yes

[9:12]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

Well, I try to find the office hours for other Lindens, that are posted in a public database... it's not like Im trying to stalk them.

[9:13]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=c2g7djaua9j4he8c6d0iu7n7k8%40group.calendar.google.com Try that one

[9:13]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

oh, it was because I was stalking Zara.

[9:13]

Gellan Glenelg:

.

starfox: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours

[9:13]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

lol

[9:13]

CG Linden:

I think it's mainly due to search just sucking... :)

[9:13]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

star soem of them actually like being stalked *giggles*

[9:13]

CG Linden:

If I enter "CG Linden" into event search, I can find myself

[9:13]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

I get tired of being banned due to AGEPLAY when all I really am is short.

[9:13]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

jsut depends on how you do it

[9:13]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

CG, that almost sounds metaphysical

[9:14]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

you must have been beside yourself when you discovered that

[9:14]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

some people just dont like kids

[9:14]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

I'm sure there's a script for you to be beside yourself in here, someplace.

[9:15]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

well also if you rp sex as or with soemoen that seems to be a child avi you can get naled on a variety of criminal charges depending where you live

[9:15]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

it's a good idea,,, to stay away from all children who are role-playing

[9:15]

Gellan Glenelg:

.

g2g. thanks CG, bye all

[9:15]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

let them go off with other children

[9:15]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

Thats what I mean

[9:16]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

unless you live in Thailand, where it's mandatory

[9:16]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

take care gellan :)

[9:16]

Starfox Howl:

. . . . . . . . . . .

I dobut tht I'm going to be doing something like that in a Star Trek RP sim.

[9:16]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

Bye Gellan

[9:16]

CG Linden:

Ok, thanks for coming

[9:16]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

Count me in on the Star Trek

[9:16]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

i must go too. i have work to do

[9:16]

Lamorna Proctor:

. . . . . .

thanks CG :)

[9:16]

CG Linden:

see y'all

[9:16]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

CG your over time

[9:16]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

ditto.

[9:16]

HALEY Salomon:

. . . . .

thank you I learned a lot

[9:16]

McCabe Maxsted:

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

take care

[9:16]

CG Linden remebers to make chatlog

[9:17]

Aargle Zymurgy:

. . . . . . .

CG, thank you once again. insightful as always

[9:17]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

lol ive been to some start trek sims. all i can say in a pg invironment was There sas soem GREAT kinky sex involved

[9:17]

XLR8RRICK Hudson:

. . .

Thanks for your Time CG

[9:17]

Cummere Mayo:

. . . . . . . . . . . .

course that was on my other avi