Bug triage/2007-10-01/Transcript

Agenda

Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:

[15:00]	Dzonatas Sol:	nothing rotates for me... so my world isn't spinning
[15:00]	Seg Baphomet:	I seem to have stopped animating.
[15:00]	Dzonatas Sol:	been like that since 1.17
[15:00]	Bridie Linden:	Hiya all!
[15:00]	Bridie Linden:	Thx for updating agenda Gigs
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood points at MISC-713
[15:00]	Bridie Linden:	Aric's on his way shortly
[15:01]	Dale Glass:	What is Lauk's nest?
[15:01]	Daedalus Young:	see http://secondarts.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/save-lauks-nest-celebrating-a-jewel-of-second-life/ Dale
[15:01]	Gigs Taggart:	np
[15:02]	Daedalus Young:	it's SL history :D
[15:02]	Aric Linden:	hello all
[15:02]	Daedalus Young:	hi Aric
[15:02]	Daedalus Young:	and hi Soft
[15:02]	Bridie Linden:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
[15:02]	Dale Glass:	huh? The VAT isn't that huge
[15:02]	Soft Linden:	Hey hey
[15:02]	Daedalus Young:	hmm, 25% for Denmark
[15:02]	Dale Glass:	hiya :-)
[15:03]	Dale Glass:	ow. 16% here
[15:03]	Aric Linden:	A quick comment: as we near having a Linux voice client, I'd like to start thinking about maybe using voice for this triage
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	a +25% hit is definitely a lot.
[15:03]	Daedalus Young:	19% for me
[15:03]	Aric Linden:	anyone have thoughts on that?
[15:03]	Daedalus Young:	and Lauk's is I think the entire region
[15:03]	Gigs Taggart:	as long as it works :)
[15:03]	Soft Linden:	Heard of a number of folks with multiple islands who were just break-even before. They've suddenly got a bit to catch up on :/
[15:03]	Aric Linden:	/heh gigs
[15:04]	Dale Glass:	Aric: I'm fine with it, so long the voice is clear. It takes me a good deal of concentration to understand english with bad quality audio
[15:04]	Qie Niangao:	oh, is voice working on the Linux client already?
[15:04]	Aric Linden:	we have an internal build working.
[15:04]	Michelle2 Zenovka:	Voice is ok but i still don't have sound on my pure 64bit linux system
[15:04]	Aric Linden:	The QA team has given good feedback on it to me
[15:04]	Dale Glass:	Well and I probably won't talk much as my pronunciation isn't good :-)
[15:04]	Aric Linden:	ok this is why I wanted feedback
[15:05]	Aric Linden:	for me personally, everyone being comfortable and being able to contribute is really important
[15:05]	Bridie Linden:	harder to capture transcript/notes
[15:05]	Aric Linden:	so we'll table it for the time being
[15:05]	Aric Linden:	Thank you all for being willing to discuss it
[15:05]	Dzonatas Sol:	I'm not an auditory person... not deaf... voice is ok
[15:05]	Seg Baphomet:	Oh wouldn't it be nice to just be able to back up and save an entire region. Or mirror it.
[15:05]	Aric Linden:	/nods at Seg
[15:05]	Aric Linden:	Should we start?
[15:06]	Daedalus Young:	or copy it onto OpenSIm and being able to tp from LL grid to Deepgrid? :P
[15:06]	Bridie Linden:	VWR-2600
[15:06]	Aric Linden:	Gigs, thanks for getting the agenda in order
[15:06]	Gigs Taggart:	np
[15:06]	Bridie Linden:	Click on rotating SL logo...
[15:06]	Dale Glass:	Also, my wine hack for voice works but the voice has lots of dropouts. I think this may be wine's fault, but if voice is normally like that I probably won't be able to understand much
[15:06]	Bridie Linden:	- Add option to enable Full-Scene Anti-Aliasing (FSAA) in the viewer
[15:06]	Soft Linden:	So, that patch just slams it on - it doesn't actually give an option.
[15:06]	Gigs Taggart:	the patch is os x only also
[15:06]	Seg Baphomet:	Wine's audio support is... weird.
[15:07]	Soft Linden:	But we could still pass it on to the windlight guys as a reminder - I know the option's been discussed in the past.
[15:07]	Aric Linden:	the question is it wintel only or not
[15:07]	Seg Baphomet:	I'm for it, but someone needs to code it as a preference, yes.
[15:07]	Daedalus Young:	sounds cool, so long as my framerates don't drop 75%
[15:07]	Soft Linden:	I don't think we want to hold out for a patch that does it as an option since Windlight's going to revamp the graphic options anyway.
[15:07]	Aric Linden agrees
[15:08]	Aric Linden:	Bridie, what would you suggest? Bring it in for windlight to review or...
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	So wait on this one?
[15:08]	Gigs Taggart:	I'm with soft, import it as a reminder
[15:08]	Gigs Taggart:	the patch is probably not suitable for anything :)
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	Sure, we can import and discuss with WL folks.
[15:08]	Soft Linden nods!
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	Ok, next
[15:09]	Seg Baphomet:	That's the other question. How cross platform is it? IT looked like an ARB extension.
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	VWR-2582 - Votes: 1 - Delete/Return crashes 1.18.3.5 Open Source built in VC Express 2005 using unmodified code
[15:09]	Aric Linden:	ok
[15:09]	Gigs Taggart:	Seg, it was mac only
[15:10]	Gigs Taggart:	2583 seems to be valid, an interator getting munged up sometimes
[15:10]	Gigs Taggart:	iterator rather
[15:10]	Bridie Linden:	Import 2582 then, yes?
[15:10]	Gigs Taggart:	yeah, the comments on that code say stuff like "PLEASE FIX THIS"
[15:10]	Seg Baphomet:	Is this another wonderious LL iterator? :)
[15:10]	Gigs Taggart:	so yeah :)
[15:11]	Bridie Linden:	Will do
[15:11]	Bridie Linden:	Next, VWR-2576 - Votes: 0 - Possible crash llselectmgr
[15:11]	Soft Linden:	Not sure of the exact problem, but that shouldn't crash, so yeah. Should go in whether the patch is right or not.
[15:11]	Soft Linden:	Er - that was for the previous, not 2576.
[15:12]	Bridie Linden nods
[15:12]	Bridie Linden:	I'll import 2576 as well
[15:12]	Bridie Linden:	Next VWR-2524 - Votes: 1 - Possible crash on startup with group messages waiting (llnotify.cpp)
[15:13]	Gigs Taggart:	I believe this fixes one of the top crashes
[15:13]	Bridie Linden:	Hooray!
[15:13]	Seg Baphomet:	I need to try that one.
[15:13]	Bridie Linden:	Another one from Nicholaz to import yes?
[15:13]	Gigs Taggart:	note the connection to 2046
[15:13]	Gigs Taggart:	he said they conflict
[15:14]	Gigs Taggart:	looks like 2046 is already imported though
[15:14]	Seg Baphomet:	My wife was complaining about crashing every time a friend alert came up.
[15:14]	Seg Baphomet:	I of course, have never seen it happen. ;P
[15:14]	Soft Linden:	I could swear I've seen 2524 duplicated internally, but I can't find it at the moment...
[15:14]	Gigs Taggart:	SL-50808?
[15:14]	Gigs Taggart:	or SL-52472 ?
[15:15]	Object: Hello, Avatar!
[15:15]	Daedalus Young:	Hello, Object!
[15:15]	Soft Linden:	Naw, those would be the related one.
[15:15]	Bridie Linden:	I'll import nich's and make sure Tofu sees the other one
[15:15]	Gigs Taggart:	k
[15:15]	Soft Linden:	Bridie, would you import and assign it to me? I can hunt for the internal one to link it to later.
[15:15]	Soft Linden:	Or that.
[15:16]	Bridie Linden:	I'll add you as a watcher Soft...
[15:16]	Soft Linden thumbsup!
[15:16]	Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype
[15:16]	Daedalus Young:	hi Alexa
[15:16]	Alexa Linden:	:)
[15:18]	Alexa Linden:	.
[15:18]	Bridie Linden nudges Aric :)
[15:18]	Aric Linden:	did we just discuss 340?
[15:18]	Aric Linden:	sorry, someone came by my desk
[15:18]	Soft Linden:	Nope! 340 is next.
[15:18]	Aric Linden:	Thanks soft. I think 340 is a duplicate
[15:19]	Aric Linden:	In fact, I think we discussed it at the internal triage on thursday
[15:19]	Soft Linden:	It's definitely a known issue. There's text added to the page commenting on it.
[15:20]	Aric Linden:	let's import it and assign it to me
[15:20]	Aric Linden:	I'll track down the dupe
[15:20]	Aric Linden:	VWR-2148
[15:20]	Bridie Linden:	will do
[15:21]	Aric Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2148
[15:21]	Aric Linden:	So this is an interesting one. This problem is being aggressively worked on internally right now
[15:22]	Aric Linden:	I'd like to import this issue on the chance that either Kona or Hamilton see something here that they haven't seen elsewhere
[15:22]	Bridie Linden nods
[15:22]	Gigs Taggart:	It's almost a duplicate of SVC-553, except it seems they are saying that it happens on objects in other objects
[15:22]	Soft Linden:	Makes sense
[15:22]	Gigs Taggart:	SL-46841 is 553
[15:23]	Aric Linden:	Let's take it and assign it directly to Hamilton please
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood:	[13:43] Gesture is missing from database.
[15:23]	Bridie Linden:	Will do.
[15:23]	Aric Linden:	Thanks Bridie
[15:23]	Aric Linden:	(and squirrel)
[15:23]	Aric Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-63
[15:24]	Aric Linden:	WEB-63
[15:24]	Gigs Taggart:	I've been getting that a ton the last few days.
[15:24]	Aric Linden:	503 and other errors in forums
[15:24]	Gigs Taggart:	not just forums, every page other than the front page
[15:25]	Daedalus Young:	I don't get errors on the site, but sometimes some pages load very slow
[15:25]	Aric Linden:	Interesting
[15:25]	Gigs Taggart:	reloading 5 or 6 times brings the page up, usually
[15:25]	Bridie Linden:	I've heard about this today, but haven't seen it myself
[15:25]	Daedalus Young:	jira was slow for me today, wiki sometimes is
[15:25]	Aric Linden:	I haven't seen this. that doesn't sound right
[15:25]	Gigs Taggart:	I've seen it like 20 times
[15:25]	Gigs Taggart:	even on the web login screen
[15:25]	Gigs Taggart:	like, in the client
[15:25]	Aric Linden:	/means that sounds like a problem, not that the poster is mistaken
[15:25]	Aric Linden:	:-)
[15:25]	Gigs Taggart:	hehe
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	I think we should take this one in
[15:26]	Bridie Linden:	Yes, would anyone like to add comments to it before I do?
[15:26]	Bridie Linden:	(I'll be importing these after the triage, so you have some time :) )
[15:26]	Gigs Taggart:	i'll edit it to say just "website" instead of forums
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	thanks Gigs
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	I'll ask Beez about it as well
[15:27]	Aric Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2530
[15:27]	Soft Linden:	Yeah, that 503 specifically may be of interest. That could mean a misconfigured proxy, not just a load issue.
[15:27]	Aric Linden:	VWR-2530
[15:27]	Gigs Taggart:	that's what I was thinking, one bad inward facing cache :)
[15:28]	Saijanai Kuhn:	got this several times on longin after the restart Haven't seen it before actually
[15:28]	Soft Linden:	Seg, when your presence was stuck, at what part of hte login did it fail?
[15:28]	Gigs Taggart:	2530 may or may not be resolved now, it's conflated with a bunch of unrelated issues it seems
[15:28]	Gigs Taggart:	See SVC-720 for the one I encountered with the same symptom
[15:29]	Seg Baphomet:	Uhh, well at the "Your account will be unavailable until xxxx" dialog? :)
[15:29]	Aric Linden:	Seg, that's currently a very popular bug internally.
[15:29]	Gigs Taggart:	SVC-720 was definitely region-specific not account specific
[15:29]	Bridie Linden:	But diff from this one...
[15:29]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I got a 503 error. THink I was actually able to login anyway, but gave me pause for a sec when I saw it
[15:31]	Aric Linden:	I think we should ask if it's still an issue for these users before we import. anyone else?
[15:31]	Bridie Linden:	support just confirmed a borked web server from earlier today - it's been removed
[15:31]	Gigs Taggart:	cool
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood:	hmmm
[15:31]	Bridie Linden agrees w/aric
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood:	Apparently, my transaction history is empty.
[15:31]	Bridie Linden:	Resolve as 'needs more info' for now?
[15:32]	Aric Linden:	yes please
[15:32]	Gigs Taggart:	Aric I think resolving 2530 might be best, since it's got so much crap in it
[15:32]	Gigs Taggart:	SVC-720 may also be resolved after the rolling update, if I don't see it again I'll close it
[15:33]	Aric Linden:	Gigs, I would agree except for one thing: in a recent internal triage, both Steve Linden and Don linden were very intrigued by a bug related to seed grants and I note that this bug reports the same stall on that string
[15:33]	Gigs Taggart:	yep, rebooting the sim resolves that temporarily
[15:34]	Gigs Taggart:	then it screws up again and no one can log into it :)
[15:34]	Gigs Taggart:	I got concierge to document all they could last time it happened to me
[15:34]	Aric Linden:	yep. Both don and steve were interested in it, so...
[15:35]	Aric Linden:	Shall we move on?
[15:35]	Gigs Taggart:	yeah
[15:35]	Soft Linden:	So this is being imported?
[15:35]	Gigs Taggart:	720 or the other one?
[15:36]	Gigs Taggart:	I think 720 is more well focused
[15:36]	Aric Linden:	VWR-2355
[15:36]	Bridie Linden:	I was planning to resolve 2530 as 'needs more info'
[15:36]	Aric Linden:	that's fine
[15:37]	Seg Baphomet:	omg voice?
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	eep
[15:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	was that you Squirrel? Voice morpher needs tweaking...
[15:38]	Alexa Linden:	lol
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	was me nut. someone clicked it :p
[15:39]	Saijanai Kuhn:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-750 just reported by the way
[15:39]	Soft Linden:	Saijanai - I'd actually just imported that in the background :>
[15:39]	Gigs Taggart:	cool
[15:39]	Aric Linden:	wow, 2355 is chock full of buggy goodness
[15:39]	Ryozu Kojima chuckles.
[15:40]	Aric Linden:	that's one beefy bug
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	Yep. constant crashes are not fancy
[15:40]	Gigs Taggart:	"Stuff's broke"
[15:40]	Aric Linden:	sadly, I don't really see anything useful here. soft?
[15:40]	Gigs Taggart:	Are they implying that the upgrade caused packet loss?
[15:41]	Soft Linden:	No, that mtr output was indicative of a pretty healthy connection.
[15:41]	Aric Linden:	I can't tell whether they think it's the upgrade or not
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	No. They seem to be saying that ever since one of the recent updates their client crashes every one to two minutes.
[15:41]	WarKirby Magojiro:	hi everyone. Horribly late..
[15:41]	Aric Linden:	Hi WarKirby
[15:41]	Daedalus Young:	hi
[15:41]	Aric Linden:	And there's nothing consistent in terms of video card or OS either
[15:41]	Soft Linden:	More info here would be good; finding out if many of them are on wifi or anything like that.
[15:42]	Soft Linden:	Looking for anything common to their systems would help a lot.
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	Resolve, needs more info?
[15:42]	Soft Linden:	That'd be my take. Want me to add the question?
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	Would you like to comment Soft?
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood:	drivers. Do they use the latest ones ?
[15:42]	Gigs Taggart:	I'm not sure that would send the right message :)
[15:42]	Aric Linden:	I can't see anything: two of them are on a 7300, one is on wintel mac, another on a ppc mac
[15:42]	Soft Linden:	Will do, Bridie
[15:42]	Gigs Taggart:	It needs less info really :)
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	thx
[15:42]	Bridie Linden nods to Gigs
[15:42]	Gigs Taggart:	just more of the right kind
[15:42]	Seg Baphomet:	Heh, my wife was asking me how the hell there can be more than %100 packet loss. :)
[15:43]	Aric Linden:	We *add* value
[15:43]	Alexa Linden:	lol
[15:43]	Seg Baphomet:	(look at their screen shot)
[15:43]	Bridie Linden:	Big packets!
[15:43]	Aric Linden laughs
[15:43]	Daedalus Young:	I've had more than 100 too in the past
[15:43]	Saijanai Kuhn:	they count you AND your wife?
[15:43]	Gigs Taggart:	notice the TD in that screenshot is 0.05
[15:43]	Gigs Taggart:	looks like that sim was crapping out
[15:43]	Daedalus Young:	was during the sprintnet issues
[15:44]	Soft Linden:	Seg - I think it counts retransmissions
[15:44]	Gigs Taggart:	this looks like 3 or 4 different issues
[15:44]	Aric Linden:	are we ready to move on?
[15:44]	Gigs Taggart:	yeah
[15:44]	Aric Linden:	SVC-483
[15:45]	Seg Baphomet:	"That word you keep using, "crash", does it really mean what you think it means?"
[15:46]	Aric Linden:	Bridie, didn't we just cover one like this in the triage last week?
[15:46]	Gigs Taggart:	we already did one like this today
[15:46]	Bridie Linden:	Dupe of VWR-2148?
[15:46]	Seg Baphomet:	It seems to be a dupe, yes.
[15:46]	Gigs Taggart:	look like he has a specific script that is gone... is that useful to anyone at LL
[15:47]	tx Oh:	but thats more a server issue, no?
[15:47]	Gigs Taggart:	since apparently it's gone for good, he said he's still gone 2 weeks later
[15:47]	Squirrel Wood:	I'd say that X is missing from database is all related.
[15:48]	Bridie Linden:	Aric, what do you think? Resolve as dupe or link as related?
[15:48]	Aric Linden:	Yes, but I think we should import and see if Kona can work magic for him
[15:48]	Aric Linden:	I feel badly for folks who've lost work
[15:48]	Gigs Taggart:	magic is good
[15:48]	Aric Linden:	kona is good at magic
[15:49]	Aric Linden:	but the issue is a dupe fersure
[15:49]	Aric Linden:	is that a reasonable solution?
[15:49]	tx Oh:	well, i need this magic sometimes too
[15:49]	Bridie Linden:	works for me
[15:50]	Aric Linden:	looks at tx
[15:50]	Aric Linden:	I understand.
[15:50]	Aric Linden:	VWR-2605
[15:52]	Seg Baphomet:	They don't say what OS they're on.
[15:52]	Aric Linden:	Um, I know there was a comment on this at a recent INTL triage, I'm sad to say that I don't remember what it was
[15:53]	Aric Linden:	Bridie, do you remember that?
[15:53]	Bridie Linden:	Import and assign to Jaime?
[15:53]	Bridie Linden:	No, sorry I don't, Aric
[15:53]	Soft Linden:	In the end, we're expecting the OS to provide international fonts. It turns out an all-region font is in the neighborhood of 22 megs added to the download.
[15:53]	Aric Linden:	oooh, that's right
[15:53]	Seg Baphomet:	Use pango. :)
[15:53]	WarKirby Magojiro:	make it a seperate add on, perhaps?
[15:53]	Bridie Linden:	Soft, then shall I resolve "needs more info" to find out OS?
[15:53]	Seg Baphomet:	At least on Linux.
[15:54]	Dale Glass:	Soft, you can use my installer code, it installs only what's needed
[15:54]	Dale Glass:	so it'd download the font only once
[15:54]	Alexa Linden:	WB Gigs
[15:54]	Seg Baphomet:	Linux's font handling is known to be a hack.
[15:54]	Gigs Taggart:	crashing is fun
[15:54]	Bridie Linden:	wb Gigs
[15:54]	Soft Linden:	Sure, that would be useful info. It's also worth asking internally how the viewer knows what font to use for international glyphs.
[15:54]	Aric Linden:	Gigs, did you log a bug about it?
[15:54]	Aric Linden falls over
[15:54]	Seg Baphomet:	If he's on Linux his problem is not suprising. :)
[15:54]	Gigs Taggart:	hehe
[15:55]	Soft Linden:	Maybe he's got the font, but we're missing code that finds the right font under some OS.
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood:	Stream the font to the client as needed ?
[15:55]	Gigs Taggart:	actually I'm not running under gdb right now
[15:55]	Seg Baphomet:	He needs to link the unicode.ttf link to something useful to him.
[15:55]	Dale Glass:	Soft, if you're interested in that, poke me first, I've got a few uncommitted bits ATM
[15:55]	Gigs Taggart:	so what's the conclusion on the font bug? I assume it's not "sure lets do it" since font licenses for distribution are not cheap :)
[15:55]	Soft Linden:	I don't have the bandwidth for i18n stuff right now - but if you'd add a comment to the pJIRA, Dale?
[15:56]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Allisa knows as much about that as anyone I think
[15:56]	Dale Glass:	ok, will do
[15:56]	Saijanai Kuhn:	she told me that the issue is that ALL fonts used are loaded at the same time, making for a rather unwieldy block of memory
[15:56]	Soft Linden:	Thanks :)
[15:56]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and that the fonts are loaded from a hard-0coded list
[15:57]	Saijanai Kuhn:	specific to each OS
[15:57]	Seg Baphomet:	Operating system vendors already go through a lot of time and effort to provide unicode fonts.
[15:57]	Seg Baphomet:	Do you really want to duplicate the effort?
[15:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	the issue is that the list hasn't been updated, and is rtaher unflexable in how it is handled, I think
[15:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	you needdd a better lkist, and dynamic loading and unlading of fonts
[15:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	better list...
[15:58]	Aric Linden:	well, i think the viewer team is working on that
[15:58]	Seg Baphomet:	Or just use something like Pango and stop reinventing the wheel. :)
[15:59]	Saijanai Kuhn:	that's 2 or 3 revisions of the GUI down tthe road
[16:00]	Soft Linden:	So we resolved needs-more-info to find out what OS so we can see what's actually broken here... on to the next?
[16:00]	Aric Linden:	I agree with Soft except that I think we're out of time
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[16:00]	Soft Linden shakes his fist - "Curse you, father time!!!"
[16:00]	Gigs Taggart:	<gameshow>Awwwwwwwww</gameshow>
[16:00]	Aric Linden grins
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood:	May I bring your attention to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-713 - Add "Return All Objects" as an estate-wide feature for a specified resident very hot by vote it is.
[16:01]	Seg Baphomet:	I could probably drop Pango in, in a day's work. Its how long OpenAL took. (and then week of bug hunting... :)
[16:01]	Gigs Taggart:	squirrel the funny thing that's already in god tools :)
[16:01]	Gigs Taggart:	so it's probably trivial to do as a feature hehe
[16:01]	Soft Linden:	Actually, I think god only has delete?
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	There is one option to return *scripted* objects.
[16:01]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I'd love to see you do it, Seg. WOuld be willing to help in any way I could
[16:01]	Aric Linden doesn't know about that
[16:01]	Gigs Taggart:	yeah right now we can only return scripted
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	But not *all* objects owned by a specific person
[16:01]	Aric Linden:	Return all objects that is
[16:02]	Saijanai Kuhn:	shoudl talk to Allissa about it also
[16:02]	Seg Baphomet:	Its rather sad and pathetic that banning someone doesn't at least have the option of returning all their objects.
[16:02]	Gigs Taggart:	oh you are right soft, it is delete, not return
[16:02]	Soft Linden:	Yeah, this function makes sense. A lot of griefers swoop around a sim flinging physics objects absolutely everywhere.
[16:02]	Bridie Linden:	I'm confused - can't you already return objects from your property already>? I do it all of the time
[16:02]	Alexa Linden:	as do I
[16:02]	Gigs Taggart:	bridie not estate level
[16:02]	Gigs Taggart:	or even region level
[16:02]	Aric Linden:	iirc we are talking about this already
[16:02]	Alexa Linden:	and on the sim my resident runs
[16:02]	Aric Linden:	having it for estate owners
[16:03]	Soft Linden:	This one is more for an island owner who might want to clean up 20 lots at once.
[16:03]	Bridie Linden:	Instead of just a parcel?
[16:03]	Alexa Linden:	so a whole sim
[16:03]	Gigs Taggart:	or 20 sims :)
[16:03]	Bridie Linden:	gotcha
[16:03]	Aric Linden:	I believe that conversation came up last week.
[16:03]	Alexa Linden:	regarless of how it's parcelled>
[16:03]	Alexa Linden:	?
[16:03]	Aric Linden:	yeah, let's import it and pass it to RX
[16:03]	Seg Baphomet:	There's a general problem of its easy to loose small objects.
[16:03]	Aric Linden grins
[16:03]	Alexa Linden:	yes, that would be a good tool
[16:03]	Aric Linden:	make them do the hard work
[16:03]	Seg Baphomet:	lose even.
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Basically clean an entire sim or sim cluster/all sims owned by the same person
[16:04]	Alexa Linden:	yup
[16:04]	Gigs Taggart:	that'll be more important in havok4
[16:04]	Soft Linden:	Still. I hate to cut it off at 83 votes. Let's go for 100!
[16:04]	Gigs Taggart:	because in havok4 the sim will crawl at 0.1 instead of crashing
[16:04]	Soft Linden:	WHOO!
[16:04]	Alexa Linden:	regardless of how many parcels the sim has
[16:04]	Alexa Linden:	great idea
[16:04]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and thus a new Hippo legentd is born? 100 vtes in jira?
[16:05]	Bridie Linden:	I'll import.
[16:05]	Bridie Linden:	But need to run...thanks all!
[16:05]	Bridie Linden:	Thx Aric, Soft + Alexa Lindens...
[16:05]	Daedalus Young:	see you Bridie
[16:05]	Squirrel Wood:	"Ban James Johnson and return all his crap. prim by prim (just for the fun of it)"
[16:05]	Aric Linden:	Thanks all
[16:05]	Daedalus Young:	you're invited for the VAT-awareness party at Lauk's Nest in Alviso, next Saturday at about noon
[16:05]	Gigs Taggart:	hehe squirrel the return all scripted now actually does return things slowly :)
[16:05]	Saijanai Kuhn:	all at noce, but with a per-prim return message
[16:05]	Daedalus Young:	please see http://secondarts.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/save-lauks-nest-celebrating-a-jewel-of-second-life/
[16:05]	Aric Linden:	special thanks to gigs, bridie and soft
[16:06]	Gigs Taggart bows
[16:06]	Aric Linden:	i'm gone byebye baby, byebye
[16:06]	Gigs Taggart:	a
[16:06]	Saijanai Kuhn:	that counts temp items
[16:06]	Daedalus Young:	bye
[16:06]	Soft Linden:	Thanks much :)