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[[User:Azwaldo Villota|azwaldo]] 13:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Azwaldo Villota|azwaldo]] 13:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


== TODOLIST ==
 
===> answer: you click on content and then click on SET URL and so you should be able (bugs permitting) to chat in public chat the "http://www.google.com" url you want to add.. I will specify it in next modification tour
 
[[User:Salahzar Stenvaag|Salahzar Stenvaag]] 19:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC) I provided the reference uploading a copy full permissions of the object to xstreetsl https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1647618
 
== Answers [[User:Salahzar Stenvaag|Salahzar Stenvaag]] 09:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC) ==
* Thanks Azwaldo, I will detail furtherly what was the other tool and exactly the differences from it
* Thanks Azwaldo, I will detail furtherly what was the other tool and exactly the differences from it
* I will reincorporate the modifications from Strife, sorry for having them left out in last modifications I just wanted the script to compile and didn't mean to remove his.
* I reincorporated the modifications in key2int from Strife, thanks Strife for this alternative way I must study it to understand how it is working.
* Strife is telling that he doesn't like the key2int... So maybe he has a better idea on how to deal with channels... Looking forward to hearing his solution. I know that was just a draft, but it is really simple and relatively good working solution, unless, obviously there are some nasty nasty hidden anomalies. I'm always learning and what I'm doing IS normally perfectible in infinite ways ;)
* Strife is telling that he doesn't like the key2int... Not sure if it is the entire concept in itself or just using key2int to name the channels. Maybe he has a better idea on how to deal with channels... Looking forward to hearing his solution. I know that was just a draft, but it is really simple and relatively good working solution, unless, obviously there are some nasty nasty hidden anomalies. I'm always learning and what I'm doing IS normally perfectible in infinite ways ;)
* If there is already a wiki page on lsl teaching how objects can easily negotiate a channel, I'd love to follow a more standard and easy way.
 
== IP Theft? ==
 
{{Quote|1=[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Salahzar_Stenvaag Salahzar_Stenvaag] didn't and do not have rights to sell that object on [https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1647618 xstreet] because it's a violation of [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode CreativeCommons by-nc-sa license] and [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Intellectual_Property Linden Lab Official KB: Intellectual Property] [[User:Vision Raymaker|Vision Raymaker]] 21:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)}}
 
I've pulled the above comment from the article, placed it here and left a message for it's author [[User_talk:Vision_Raymaker#Wiki3DBuilder_Drama|here]]. I'm nonplussed. Just because you think your rights have been infringed does not give you the right to deface an article (it does however give you the right to have the content yanked if you can prove it). It is not the right way of seeking restitution. -- '''[[User:Strife_Onizuka|Strife]]''' <sup><small>([[User talk:Strife_Onizuka|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Strife_Onizuka|contribs]])</small></sup> 00:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 
: You are right I made a strong claim and there were few evidence '''there''' to prove it. You all will notice that [https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Wiki3DBuilder&curid=79573&diff=881973&oldid=452812 Wiki3DBuilder] doesn't exist any more probably trying to put cover over his infringement of Creative Commons license. As you can see in this snapshot
 
:[[Image:Snapshot_violazione_CC_by-NC-sa_by_Salahzar_Stenvaag.png]] [[User:Salahzar_Stenvaag|Salahzar Stenvaag]] was selling on XstreetSL marketplace an item called ''SpatialMap.org (MindMap 3D) v1.0.18 (MONO)'' for L$ 50. (He was selling also on [http://meta-life.net/second-life/item/89393-SpatialMaporg-MindMap-3D-v1018-MONO]).
 
: As you can see he was selling getting profit and this was not allowed under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode Creative Commons license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5].
 
: The SpatialMap LSL source code was freely downloadable from [http://code.google.com/p/spatialmap/downloads/list http://code.google.com/p/spatialmap/downloads/list]. The license have been CC by-nc-sa 2.5 since version 0. If you have time you can see that '''every''' file has Creative Commons by-nc-sa references into the header. If you have doubts that people listed in [http://code.google.com/p/spatialmap/people] called owner, ''marco.vanadia'' and ''davide.caroli85'', are respectively [[User:Vision_Raymaker|Vision Raymaker]] and [[User:JonnyBee_Cioc|JonnyBee Cioc]] you can browse into Tish Shute UgoTrade blog article that cite our works [http://www.ugotrade.com/2008/01/28/the-archeology-and-future-of-software-design-meeting-grady-booch/].
 
: He, and everybody else, had and has rights to derive works from SpatialMap code, '''do not get profit from it''', and share what come out under the same license.
 
: Law doesn't admit ignorance and he also use same license in his works. So he must know what NotCommercial means. This means that he consciously infringe the law.
 
: So this is not 'Drama'. This is '''Theft'''. Penal prosecutable by law.
 
: I do not need to have a lawyer to say that and it is obvious that he can't had so much profit from this theft. But this is all about unethical after than illegal. He tells to embrace opensource ethic. Nice way to do it. People must be known from what they do after what they tell to do.
:[[User:Vision Raymaker|Vision Raymaker]] 18:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:02, 3 May 2010

Needs Reference

Including this statement:

"...written by Jonny Bee Cioc and Vision Raymaker which was under a CC by,nc,sa license itself"

...without any support leaves the matter unsupported. This statement should link to that earlier work, particularly highlighting the release under CC Att-NonComm-Share license since that is the point being made.

Question: Where any NODE can possibly have inserted a "URL that can be given"...how is this URL submitted by the user, by chat, notecard, entered into object description? azwaldo 13:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


===> answer: you click on content and then click on SET URL and so you should be able (bugs permitting) to chat in public chat the "http://www.google.com" url you want to add.. I will specify it in next modification tour

Salahzar Stenvaag 19:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC) I provided the reference uploading a copy full permissions of the object to xstreetsl https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1647618

Answers Salahzar Stenvaag 09:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks Azwaldo, I will detail furtherly what was the other tool and exactly the differences from it
  • I reincorporated the modifications in key2int from Strife, thanks Strife for this alternative way I must study it to understand how it is working.
  • Strife is telling that he doesn't like the key2int... Not sure if it is the entire concept in itself or just using key2int to name the channels. Maybe he has a better idea on how to deal with channels... Looking forward to hearing his solution. I know that was just a draft, but it is really simple and relatively good working solution, unless, obviously there are some nasty nasty hidden anomalies. I'm always learning and what I'm doing IS normally perfectible in infinite ways ;)
  • If there is already a wiki page on lsl teaching how objects can easily negotiate a channel, I'd love to follow a more standard and easy way.

IP Theft?

Salahzar_Stenvaag didn't and do not have rights to sell that object on xstreet because it's a violation of CreativeCommons by-nc-sa license and Linden Lab Official KB: Intellectual Property Vision Raymaker 21:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I've pulled the above comment from the article, placed it here and left a message for it's author here. I'm nonplussed. Just because you think your rights have been infringed does not give you the right to deface an article (it does however give you the right to have the content yanked if you can prove it). It is not the right way of seeking restitution. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 00:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

You are right I made a strong claim and there were few evidence there to prove it. You all will notice that Wiki3DBuilder doesn't exist any more probably trying to put cover over his infringement of Creative Commons license. As you can see in this snapshot
Snapshot violazione CC by-NC-sa by Salahzar Stenvaag.png Salahzar Stenvaag was selling on XstreetSL marketplace an item called SpatialMap.org (MindMap 3D) v1.0.18 (MONO) for L$ 50. (He was selling also on [1]).
As you can see he was selling getting profit and this was not allowed under the Creative Commons license Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5.
The SpatialMap LSL source code was freely downloadable from http://code.google.com/p/spatialmap/downloads/list. The license have been CC by-nc-sa 2.5 since version 0. If you have time you can see that every file has Creative Commons by-nc-sa references into the header. If you have doubts that people listed in [2] called owner, marco.vanadia and davide.caroli85, are respectively Vision Raymaker and JonnyBee Cioc you can browse into Tish Shute UgoTrade blog article that cite our works [3].
He, and everybody else, had and has rights to derive works from SpatialMap code, do not get profit from it, and share what come out under the same license.
Law doesn't admit ignorance and he also use same license in his works. So he must know what NotCommercial means. This means that he consciously infringe the law.
So this is not 'Drama'. This is Theft. Penal prosecutable by law.
I do not need to have a lawyer to say that and it is obvious that he can't had so much profit from this theft. But this is all about unethical after than illegal. He tells to embrace opensource ethic. Nice way to do it. People must be known from what they do after what they tell to do.
Vision Raymaker 18:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)