Open Source Meeting/2007-11-01

• [14:06] Rob Linden: well, let's get started
• [14:06] Prospero Linden: The *root* cause, of course, is the ellipticity of the Earth's orbit. Perhaps we could do something about that.
• [14:06] Q Linden: esp annoying when people futz with it without thinking of the consequences
• [14:06] Wyn Galbraith: Even when my kids were small it wasn't that great.
• [14:07] Rob Linden: first topic: llmozlib
• [14:07] Wyn Galbraith: If we fix earth's orbit we'll all fall off
• [14:07] Dzonatas Sol: I'm surprised more aren't here for that
• [14:07] Prospero Linden: Wyn : fix-unbreak, not fix-put in one position :)
• [14:08] Wyn Galbraith: LOL
• [14:08] Wyn Galbraith: Who says it's broken?
• [14:08] Rob Linden: I'm hoping to finish up early so I can get back to publishing latest llmozlib source :)
• [14:08] Dzonatas Sol: Soft is not here, should we go with t.... all cool *wink*
• [14:08] Wyn Galbraith: So, I mean if the Earth wasn't what it was all loopsided and weird with weather, where would we be?
• [14:08] Q Linden: doesn't want to give up seasons and eclipses
• [14:09] Rob Linden: we are looking at abstracting things so that alternate html implementations would be possible
• [14:09] Prospero Linden: Q : seasons aren't from ellipticity!
• [14:09] Prospero Linden: realizes he's not on topic :)
• [14:09] Rob Linden: Callum may weigh in on the list with more....there's not much to say without him
• [14:09] Wyn Galbraith: idles so everyone else can get on topic.
• [14:09] Dzonatas Sol: use the is a way to move forward on llmozlib
• [14:10] Rob Linden: he actually did a little bit of investigation of webkit a while back
• [14:10] Dzonatas Sol: *that is a way
• [14:10] Rob Linden: (super preliminary investigation)
• [14:10] Rob Linden: [1]
• [14:10] Dzonatas Sol: The main issue is the screen refresh, correct?
• [14:10] Rob Linden: I believe so
• [14:11] Dzonatas Sol: That with the current model of mozlib itself that demands control of plug-ins and html apps and objects
• [14:12] Rob Linden: link to agenda, btw: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
• [14:12] Dzonatas Sol: *That's
• [14:12] Dzonatas Sol: so, i would have a question if the abstraction would allow the the model with the refresh still within llmozlib context to allow an interface to components outside of the screen refresh context.
• [14:13] Dzonatas Sol: (in general)
• [14:14] Rob Linden: I don't have an answer to that, and probably don't have much more to say on this topic. anyone else?
• [14:15] Liana Linden: Sorry, not my area.
• [14:16] Rob Linden: so, when we have a little more work done in this area, I'll see if I can't gather the right devs to come talk about this
• [14:16] Dzonatas Sol: cool!
• [14:17] Dzonatas Sol: next?
• [14:17] Rob Linden: OpenAjax.
• [14:17] Rob Linden: hmmm...did this get any discussion on sldev?
• [14:18] Dzonatas Sol: It's more in vwinterop right now. I had come up in several discussions and direct and indirect ways. It looks best to consider this more directly.
• [14:18] Wyn Galbraith: Incoming.
• [14:19] Dzonatas Sol: *It has
• [14:19] Dzonatas Sol: has lazy fingers today
• [14:19] Dzonatas Sol: Consider the llmozlib example, it would allow features wanted by llmozlib in a easier fashion.
• [14:20] Dzonatas Sol: I'd imagine it would be hard for Katherine herself to be here to speak about the details
• [14:21] Rob Linden: this looks like a legal agreement
• [14:21] Wyn Galbraith: Katherine who?
• [14:21] Dzonatas Sol: Berry
• [14:21] Dzonatas Sol: I asked myself, can I sign that doc
• [14:22] Rob Linden: Katharine unfortunately isn't old enough to log into the main grid
• [14:22] Wyn Galbraith: Too bad we couldn't pipe her in somehow.
• [14:22] Tillie Ariantho: =)
• [14:23] Rob Linden: I don't know enough about OpenAjax to speak to it.
• [14:24] Rob Linden: was there a specific question for Linden lab here?
• [14:24] Dzonatas Sol: Is it possible to have a legal eagle to speak more directly about the details of the position, like maybe run over the terms with the an OpenAjax member
• [14:26] Dzonatas Sol: Personally, I ask if one signs a LL agreement and one signs an OpenAjax agreement, if there is any conflict of interest?
• [14:26] Rob Linden: that's something you'd need to ask your lawyer
• [14:27] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
• [14:27] Morgaine Dinova: 'Evening
• [14:27] Dzonatas Sol: mmhmm, yes, could you present that question to LL legal dept =)
• [14:28] Dzonatas Sol: i could send it to license@lindenlab
• [14:28] Dzonatas Sol: figured here was the best place to get a rough consensus
• [14:28] Rob Linden: we can't act as your lawyer
• [14:28] Rex Cronon: what question?
• [14:28] Liana Linden: You could send the question above to licensing@lindenlab.com, but the answer would be the same: ask your lawyer.
• [14:28] Liana Linden: We cannot give you legal advice or interpret other organization's icenses for you.
• [14:29] Dzonatas Sol: hmm... let me clarify... what if i'm not the one that actually signs it
• [14:29] Dzonatas Sol: could a Liden employee sign it
• [14:29] Dzonatas Sol: *Linden
• [14:29] Liana Linden: Sign what?
• [14:29] Dzonatas Sol: [2]
• [14:30] Morgaine Dinova: Recourse to lawyers should be the last act of desperation. Only in the US is it seen as part of normal daily affairs.
• [14:31] Liana Linden: reads link...
• [14:31] Q Linden: it's not here either, it's just that we all get in trouble if we try to give legal advice, so we have to tell you to check with YOUR lawyer.
• [14:32] Tillie Ariantho: Did I already mention the US legal system sucks totally? .P
• [14:32] Rob Linden: ok....I think I understand what the issue is.
• [14:32] Morgaine Dinova: Even checking with your lawyers won't help. Along comes an SCO, and any preplanning with lawyers goes out the window.
• [14:32] Dzonatas Sol: My legal council suggest a entity signage, but that is just from my position.
• [14:32] Rob Linden: the group spawned from IBM's original meeting is starting to have conversations on a separate wiki
• [14:33] Rob Linden: part of that conversation was "hey, what agreement should we use to collaborate"
• [14:33] Liana Linden: Let me rephrase -- Dz, you want to know if Linden Lab has any intention of joining the OpenAjax Alliance?
• [14:33] Rob Linden: the openajax license was proposed as a possible license for that group to use
• [14:33] Rob Linden: since this is the first I've personally seen of this, I can't comment on it now
• [14:34] Dzonatas Sol: liana, as a proposal ... i'm not in the position to make any contractual position on it at the moment
• [14:35] Rob Linden: anyway, I think there's not much more for this group to discuss. I may have something mroe to say on this front next week
• [14:35] Dzonatas Sol: I appreciate the consideration. =)
• [14:35] Dzonatas Sol: =)
• [14:35] Morgaine Dinova: I suggest that topic gets moved to some legal group, Open source is not about keeping lawyers wallets well fed.
• [14:36] Rob Linden: k....we're through the posted agenda
• [14:36] Dzonatas Sol: yep, done half hour early =)
• [14:36] Rob Linden: anything else, or should I get back to working on the llmozlib stuff?
• [14:36] Dzonatas Sol: almost
• [14:36] Sabina Stenvaag: i just come here to look at all yer profiles--really--this is way over my head--but it gives me neat-o stuff to research on my own!
• [14:36] Sabina Stenvaag: thanks for lettin me eaves drop!
• [14:36] Sabina Stenvaag: .
• [14:37] Liana Linden: Nothing from me.
• [14:37] Morgaine Dinova: Sabrina: factoid for your research: Everett Linden's oasis water is not swimmable :-)))
• [14:37] Dzonatas Sol: thank you for being here
• [14:37] Rob Linden: k.....thanks everyone for coming
• [14:37] Wyn Galbraith: ProfilePeerer!
• [14:37] Morgaine Dinova: We just tried after his meeting about groups :-)
• [14:38] Sabina Stenvaag: hee hee TP failed too---try 2
• [14:38] Liana Linden: Bye, all.
• [14:38] Dzonatas Sol: woot, until next week... have a beautiful day everyone
• [14:38] Morgaine Dinova: See you Liana
• [14:38] Wyn Galbraith: thinks something is going down soon.
• [14:38] Rex Cronon: bye lian
• [14:38] Q Linden: see ya
• [14:38] Rex Cronon: liana*