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= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* Discuss resolution of previous open items.
* Updates
** 1.38 is in pilot roll now.
*** Are the bunnies doing ok?
** 1.40 info
** Havok 7 testing info.
*** Timeline for physical objects >32 prims? Was described as "post Havok 7."
** Getting private regions into ADITI for 1.40 testing.
** 1.42 info
*** tcmalloc
* Releases
** 1.38.2 1st week in May
* Any other business
** what you want to talk about goes here.


= Resolved Items =
= Resolved Items =
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= Transcript =
= Transcript =
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for April 15th, 2010:
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for April 15th, 2010:
* [15:00] [[User:Lil Linden|Lil Linden]]:  howdy all
* [15:00] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  hi lil
* [15:00] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hi hi
* [15:01] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  oskar, you are 20 seconds late
* [15:01] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  unnaceptable
* [15:01] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  •*•.. HahahaA •*•..
* [15:01] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Hey Oskar
* [15:01] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  Hewwo :3
* [15:01] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]:  heya Oskar , heya everyone :)
* [15:01] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  oskar
* [15:01] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  And Lil
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  don't push it merato
* [15:02] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  eeps.
* [15:02] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  <_<
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there was a new girl pulling shots of espresso at the bakery across the street
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  felt the need to introduce himself
* [15:02] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  lame.
* [15:03] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  oh
* [15:03] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  wiat
* [15:03] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i thought you meant that she was just taking too long
* [15:03] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Hey Simon
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and now that that is on the record
* [15:03] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  since she was new
* [15:03] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  hello
* [15:03] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  Hey, this could lead to the breeding of more Oskars - a very good thing!
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hey simon's here
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we are not talking about oskars breeding habits
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's not on the agenda
* [15:04] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Heyia maestro
* [15:04] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  "Breeding Oskars" ?? did I show up at a bad time?
* [15:04] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  oskar... i can't think of a better reason for being late
* [15:04] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hi guys
* [15:04] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  can we slate it for another meeting?
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks gooden
* [15:04] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  hiya simon
* [15:04] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  hi maestro
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  speaking of the agenda
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  here it is https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
* [15:04] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  somebody put Breeding Oskars into other business on the agenda
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  how are you all doing this week?
* [15:04] [[User:Clix Diesel|Clix Diesel]]:  Good thank you
* [15:04] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  good
* [15:04] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Doing pretty wlel
* [15:04] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  so far so good
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:05] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  other then everything covered in yellow and green, its all good
* [15:05] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  looks liek the piolot roll is going well
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so first things first
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.38.1
* [15:05] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  More dev Linens! I'm just saying ...
* [15:05] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  [Lindens]
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  like omg it's like so out there already
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  gawsh
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maestro. how did the deploy go?
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or lil?
* [15:06] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  smoothly enough
* [15:06] [[User:Lil Linden|Lil Linden]]:  it went out fine
* [15:06] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  no bunny murder?
* [15:06] [[User:Lil Linden|Lil Linden]]:  unforunately no, it was quite boring :)
* [15:06] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  can we get some chicken deaths?
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  my next question would be directed at all of you
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  how did it go?
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Gooden reported a possible notecard issue
* [15:07] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  seems fine so far
* [15:07] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  bummer, i kinda like the idea of bunnicide (now that it's not easter, that is)
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yeah, I don't so much
* [15:07] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  I noticed a hiccup with voice being disabled on the estate level. Other peopel have noticed this, too, and I think it;s being dealt with?
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it was a vivox outage afaik
* [15:07] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yup, but it appears to be a case where a signle prim rezzing device runs into errors, not a bug
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it just lovingly coincided with the exact time of the pilot roll
* [15:08] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  was this on mainland, Katelyn, or a private estate?
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  believe me, it caused a LOT of panic here
* [15:08] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  chuckles
* [15:08] [[User:Lil Linden|Lil Linden]]:  it sure did.
* [15:08] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  (there was another hiccup recently where voice got disabled on mainland, which happened a bit before the 1.38.1 pilot roll)
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you will notice that neither maestro or myself have any hair
* [15:08] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  heh
* [15:08] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  didn't the voice go down before the pilot roll, for several days on and off?
* [15:08] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  sorry about that, but it freaked us out too
* [15:08] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  ive beenmeaning to point that out
* [15:08] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  Snark looks OK, the freeze rates are higher than normal but simlilar to 1.36.4 before the restart so maybe its a loaded simhost.
* [15:09] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  you seem to have a shark lodged on your head as of late
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hmm
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  sharks are hairless
* [15:09] [[User:Clix Diesel|Clix Diesel]]:  Really fishy o.o
* [15:09] [[User:Ayamo Nozaki|Ayamo Nozaki]]:  SVC-3895 go.
* [15:09] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895]]:
* [#SVC-3895] [[User:Mono scripted|Mono scripted]]:  object cripples sim FPS
* [15:09] [[User:JIRA-helper (left|JIRA-helper (left]]:  hip): [http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895]
* [#SVC-3895] [[User:Mono scripted|Mono scripted]]:  object cripples sim FPS
* [15:09] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  moreso then usual?
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we know ayamo
* [15:09] [[User:Ayamo Nozaki|Ayamo Nozaki]]:  I know, you know, just when.
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that was supposed to be fixed in 1.38
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and was
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it introduced the bug that we had to pull 1.38.0 for
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so... long story short we have to wait until mono gets upgraded
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or so the mono community has told us
* [15:10] [[User:Charlene Trudeau|Charlene Trudeau]]:  ugh
* [15:10] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ugh
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  +1 to that
* [15:10] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  so not fixed...
* [15:10] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  what in particular in the mono scripts is causing that?
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it _was_
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it introduced a new bug that we can't code around
* [15:11] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  or is it a blanket mono problem
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and is fixed in newer versions of mono itself
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it is in mono's blanket
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  as I understand it
* [15:11] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i get that, nevermind. -_-
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so... yeah. that's it
* [15:11] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  theres not one part of mono scipts thats causing it right?
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we are rolling the full grid to 1.38.1 next week right lil?
* [15:12] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  the question i get asked when i explain this to people is "why don't they update mono more often?" - to which i don't really have an answer more than "because... it's complicated..."
* [15:12] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  one of kelly's comments in SVC-3895 summarizes the situation quite well
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that is a good question Gooden
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if you remember server updates in the past, the answer is 'we are'
* [15:13] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]:  here the link to kellys comment: [http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895?focusedCommentId=181436&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_181436]
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there are a lot of things involved in pulling different pieces into different release schedules
* [15:13] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  hmm, I just tell people it causes Lindens to lose sleep and hair. Then point out Oskar used to be a hippy
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  part of the problem is legacy related given that a large majority of what is considered 'server code' is in one repository
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I actually did used to have long golden locks of hair IMA
* [15:14] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i dont habeeb
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I left that in the 90's
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  literally
* [15:14] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  see what the stress of being a Linden does to you :-(
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  dec 31, 1999 I let a girl cut it all off and shave my head bald
* [15:14] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  ironically, i shaved and started growing long hair in the 90's...
* [15:14] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  was her name Delilah?
* [15:14] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  go figure...
* [15:14] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  nothing wrong with evolving faster
* [15:14] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Kinky.
* [15:14] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  so yea...
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hmm, what was her name
* [15:14] [[User:Project Neox|Project Neox]]:  Mmm
* [15:14] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  before we degrade to more oskar breeding...
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I should remember
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  shrugs
* [15:15] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Regina Spektor?
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyway
* [15:15] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  "girl with scissors"
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh I wish
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  heh
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  lurvs regina
* [15:15] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  You're not Samson?
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  mentally
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  <_<
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  in computer circles 'strength' is defined by the size of your beard
* [15:15] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  lol
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  lil, how awesome is my beard?
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  '
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  its epic
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  merato knows
* [15:16] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i thought it was by how much food your beard held...
* [15:16] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  learn something new eveyr day...
* [15:16] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  The beard is truly epic
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  peanut butter cookies now
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i saw him getting eyed over at slcc
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  heh. thanks simon :-D
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  by the ladies
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  'eyed over' huh
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  yea
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  o k ...
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  next topic
* [15:16] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  won't mention details
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.40
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-D
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  milo isn't here is he?
* [15:17] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  simon is correct, it is beardly braids of awesomeness
* [15:17] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  whats the biggest fixes/changes with 1.4?
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  havok 7
* [15:17] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  really?
* [15:17] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  wow
* [15:17] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  that soon
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there was some internal confusion this week about what was getting into 1.40, but we got it all sorted out
* [15:17] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i thought havok 7 was postponed to 1.42?
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  havok 7 is going into 1.40
* [15:17] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  and drum roll please.... ETA for 1.40 Oskar?
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  who told you that latif?
* [15:17] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  ~~>> Drums Roll..........
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.40 ETA end of May
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  fingers crossed
* [15:18] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  nice
* [15:18] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  nice!
* [15:18] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  thought 1.42 would be Mono 2.6.1
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we branch on the 29th
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  you or falcon, last week here
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.44 is the mono upgrades
* [15:18] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  what does it take to get one on the beta grid?
* [15:18] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  win!
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  latif, that was the confusion we cleared up
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  cool
* [15:18] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  oh, yes, 1.42 is TC Malloc isn't it...
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  one what merato?
* [15:18] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  when should we expect 1.40 generally across aditi? couple weeks?
* [15:18] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  sim on the beta grid for H& testing?
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well first step
* [15:19] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  (I'm massively sleep deprived, please don't anyone quote me later)
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  get all the code in and merged
* [15:19] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  h7**
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  second step
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  branch the code
* [15:19] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  step 3: Profit.
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  third step deploy it here
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so
* [15:19] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  swell
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  as early as the 30th of April
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  again, fingers crossed
* [15:19] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  anything apart from H7 in 1.40?
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh yeah
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I'll let you know later :-D
* [15:19] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  right. so get back to you next week on it?
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we are still working on that
* [15:20] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  I added some code for region crossings which we can talk about sometime
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  nope
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  get back to you when 1.40 branches
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that's when we'll know for certain
* [15:20] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  Simon let's talk about region crossing today if there is time
* [15:20] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  so next next week :P (kidding)
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's like grabbing a slice of pizza too early. you need to let the cheese congeal
* [15:20] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  simon does that mean you think you fixed the "dive" and "overshooting" on handoffs?
* [15:20] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  omg
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.40's chesse is congealing
* [15:20] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i prefer pizza the temperature of lava
* [15:21] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  asked anyways
* [15:21] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  but thats just for taste
* [15:21] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Quick, define congeal!
* [15:21] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i know kelly added some more linked params goodnes, like NAME and DESC
* [15:21] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  microwaves 1.40 because he's impatient
* [15:21] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i understand the terminology
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok Xugu, /me sets up your region for fail
* [15:21] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Oskar, will it be exciting fail? :)
* [15:21] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  would wather have a sim properly tested
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  probably not
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  your bunnies will die
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  physically
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  spectacular!
* [15:22] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  NOOOOoooOOOOoooooo...
* [15:22] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  hotpockets
* [15:22] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  yawns
* [15:22] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Nooooooo. I'm sorry. I'm stonebake next time, I swear!
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  so mono 2.6 is scheduled for 1.44?
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  was hoping 1.42 xD
* [15:22] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  we all were latif...
* [15:22] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  om please write newbie friendly here
* [15:23] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xDD
* [15:23] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  what is mono 2.6?
* [15:23] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  stuff happens when it happens
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  mono 2.6 is scheduled for 1.44 afaik
* [15:23] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  yes
* [15:23] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  mono == fancy scripty thingy
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so on the topic of 1.40
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I wanted to talk about private region testing
* [15:23] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  ok
* [15:23] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  *perks*
* [15:23] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ok
* [15:23] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yes pplease
* [15:24] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  ears perk up
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  closer to the date I will be asking for requests for which regions get added for that testing period
* [15:24] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  i hear
* [15:24] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  :D
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  mono 2.6 brings hope of ending sim freezes (well at least one of the major causes) and simon will free us from the rest by his magnificent thrededer rezzing project xD
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's too hard for me to track all the regions people want
* [15:24] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Nomad; there were issues with the Mono lag fixes that nearly went live in 1.38, that require a more recent version of Mono to be able to address. That's what Mono 2.6 will give us
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so I'm going to be doing a 1 shot kind of thing.
* [15:24] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Oskar, can I volunteer random regions I don't own, but am in a lot? :)
* [15:24] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  good idea oskar
* [15:24] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  oskar... oh was gonna ask you to remind me, but oh well :P
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  everyone who communicates to me that they want their region in aditi for testing for that region gets their region in aditi for that server release
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then it gives us a small list of regions we can make sure stay up
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  right now it is pretty confusing for us
* [15:25] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  afaik tizz wouldnt mind changing over the sandbox.
* [15:25] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  Merato he said something about soviet
* [15:25] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  shrugs
* [15:25] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  either or/both
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I will be communicating that out more broadly soon
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I will take this opportunity to introduce the mailing list once again: https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/server-beta
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  for those that are not on it
* [15:26] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  eh, i'll get around to it
* [15:26] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  yay for list servs
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it looks like someone added Timeline for physical objects >32 prims? Was described as "post Havok 7." to my agenda
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ignoring the 'any other business' section
* [15:26] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i only mentioned it last time, who added it? o_O
* [15:26] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  is lining up shopaholic testers as you speak
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok, who did that? :-)
* [15:27] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  me because I didn't read it all the way. sorry about that
* [15:27] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  it was immediatly debunked the second i mentioned it
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I don't know the exact date
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  falcon didn't give one and there isn't one
* [15:27] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  falcon linden p.much gave a no go?
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you will all be the first to know
* [15:27] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  thats what i recall
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he defined it differently
* [15:27] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  he said
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  he said we 'might' create the ability to have large linked sets with individual prims being able to set to physical
* [15:28] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  that he had implementation that would add prims that would not be physical
* [15:28] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  right
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  like tires or boat hulls
* [15:28] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  any prim after 31 was supposed to be nonphysical from what I heard here last week
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that would solve the issue
* [15:28] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  or airships ^_^
* [15:28] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  i think only 32 would be physical, and all others were to be phantom.
* [15:28] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  still the 32 limit is ancient.
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i would personally love to be able to set per prim "phantom"
* [15:29] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  I agree with latif
* [15:29] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  that would be far better then what we have now
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:29] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  well we've been dying for that since 2003 so that would be super duper and if he does that I will buy him a beer next time I am there
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that answers that
* [15:29] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i know we'd see a lot more content if it were only bumped slightly
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and on to 1.42 briefly
* [15:29] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  the 32 prim limit i thought was a relic from h2
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.42 is all about TC Malloc
* [15:29] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  instrumentation ftw
* [15:30] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  what's TC Malloc in English ;-)
* [15:30] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xDD
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well at least codewise tcmalloc is the largest part
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  threaded code memory allocation ?
* [15:30] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  what is 32 prim limit
* [15:30] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  ?
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maybe
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  simon tcmalloc?
* [15:30] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  lives in desparate, naive hope that we can reduce the memory usage of scripts from pure server-side changes. 1.42 should help the Lindens understand what's going on, and possibly do that.
* [15:30] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  thread caching
* [15:31] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  physical objects cannot have more than 32 prims. that's the limit
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that is the idea xugu
* [15:31] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  I don't know what's going on with tcmalloc
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I meant what it stands for
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyway
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it is a new memory manager
* [15:31] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  thread caching memory allocation?
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and it gives us one great thing
* [15:31] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Other than we used to have it in the simulator, took it out a while back, and I think it's going back in.
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  probably monad
* [15:31] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Babbage mentioned some regions using 2GB RAM, but can't reproduce the problem under lab conditions, so TCMalloc on live will give them the tools to find out what's gong on
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it gives us the ability on the fly to do performance profiling
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and we really need that
* [15:31] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  It should help with some low-level performance and internal tools
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we will be releasing a pre-beta tcmalloc testing setup kind of like we did for havok7
* [15:32] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Dynamic memory allocation = win.
* [15:32] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  cool beans
* [15:32] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  low level = good
* [15:32] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah there are definetly resource leaks as sims get slower and slwoer with the uptime
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  2 things we are hoping to gain
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  testing our metrics versus what we gather in 1.38 now
* [15:32] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  and requires careful coding :o
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  making sure tcmalloc gives the same results
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then load testing
* [15:32] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  We do sometimes get bloat on regions over a long time (days to weeks) and I think this will help determine what's going on
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  load testing is where you guys will help out :-)
* [15:33] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  im good at that
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I will be continuing that conversation later
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I just wanted to mention it now
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  little too early
* [15:33] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i want a job at LL just for load testing
* [15:33] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Another excuse to empty my inventory into a poor, defenseless region? Win!
* [15:33] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  spam linden
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but just keeping you guys in the loop
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  names our bot army after merato
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  now you do load testing
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yay
* [15:33] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  wewt!
* [15:34] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Simon, yeah, right after restert, mono or no mono, my sim sees no freezes, it's afer 4-5 days they start to appear, and after two weeks it's unusable with 30-60sec freezes every few mins
* [15:34] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  That's weird Latif.
* [15:34] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  growls
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so...
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.38.2
* [15:35] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Our crash rates slowly go up too after a new version is rolled out, so there definitely is some memory and/or resource leak
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and maybe a 1.38.3
* [15:35] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  it's not weird, it's a common occurance all across the grid for busy sims that see a lot of people coming and going
* [15:35] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  notices similiar behavior on a longer timeline
* [15:35] [[User:Offset Animations|Offset Animations]]:  Reset.
* [15:35] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Took me 10 minutes to log back into here. Why the log in delay? Ther only 30 or so folk on the beta grid as compare to main grid of 70K users.
* [15:35] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  As Latif says the freezes grow in length as uptime increases, I have records tracking it for two regions.
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  aditi is really stressed
* [15:36] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  aditi is sort broken, doesn't remember your last location and it takes foreever do dump you some random place :P
* [15:36] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  Aditi's been stressing for a few weeks now
* [15:36] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  aditi has been in a midlife crisis as long as i can remember
* [15:37] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  aditi has not realy been it's self since like june or july
* [15:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  you mean sicne Oskar took over? :P
* [15:37] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  it caught the swine flu
* [15:37] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  :o
* [15:37] [[User:kizmut Smit|kizmut Smit]]:  LOL
* [15:37] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  :(
* [15:37] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  hides
* [15:37] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  familiarity in beta haha good1
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  wait what?
* [15:38] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  it's not weird, parrothead cove which has 20 multi-game players 24 hours a day has the freezes starting within 36 hours
* [15:38] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  it quite common, the freezes
* [15:38] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  (unless the sim doesn't get any traffic)
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  aditi is used by a lot of people now
* [15:38] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  So... 1.38.2 and above, anything specific intended for those?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there are all sorts of hidden regions open for limited group testing
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it taxes aditi
* [15:39] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  understandable
* [15:39] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ahhhh
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that and infrastructure changes that aditi hasn't caught up to
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  long story
* [15:39] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  there is something wrong with the login server for sure
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maestro, lil? fix logins for latif
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:39] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  ah gostsims?
* [15:39] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xD
* [15:39] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  mmm i'll see what it says
* [15:39] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i thought is was just that morris and ahern need cleaning up :P
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's actually about time for an aditi wipe in prep for 1.40
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  physically cleaning up :-D
* [15:40] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yay!
* [15:40] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  hehe
* [15:40] [[User:kizmut Smit|kizmut Smit]]:  oh yes
* [15:40] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  just bring a new copy over?
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm probably going to be nuking these 2 regions into the ground
* [15:40] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  question: does that wipe private regions?
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so any objects you guys need take them now
* [15:40] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Can I watch? :)
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  just saying
* [15:40] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  yes please oskar
* [15:40] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  where can i found invisible sims?
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  no gooden
* [15:40] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xD
* [15:40] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  awesome
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it just means cleaning up the versioning of simulators and centrals
* [15:41] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  starts shopping xstreet for a "mushroom clud" texture to gift to Oskar
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  1.38.2 will be out here soon
* [15:41] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i've got a few nukes
* [15:41] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  YEEEAAAAHH!!!
* [15:41] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll message you all with the changes
* [15:41] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  a givt for oskar xDD
* [15:41] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  haha
* [15:41] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  okk
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  pretty minimal stuff iirc
* [15:42] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  is there anything specific we should test for in 1.38.2?
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're making some dataserver changes and need to wait til the first of may to release 1.38.2
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll let you know once we get it on here gooden
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks for asking
* [15:42] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  kk
* [15:42] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  yeah, what oskar said.
* [15:43] [[User:Ayamo Nozaki|Ayamo Nozaki]]:  whispers: nice nail-polish
* [15:43] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  thanks
* [15:43] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  so osker you will post the logs befor the next meetign right ;-)
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I always post the logs... just not always in the most timely manner
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I apologize for that
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  see if I can get these out quicker :-)
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  why all the jumping today?
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  moy, what did you start?
* [15:44] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  good question
* [15:44] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  we are testing physics.
* [15:45] [[User:Ayamo Nozaki|Ayamo Nozaki]]:  whispers: yea
* [15:45] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  moy is always up to no good
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  i doubt that
* [15:45] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  everybody's getting pumped up for H7 testing
* [15:45] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  griffers
* [15:45] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I can't see why people stand still all the time while in a video game
* [15:45] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xD
* [15:45] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  all of them
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  because I am always typing
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  especially in a meeting I am leading
* [15:45] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  With H7, we should disable the avatar no-fly limit :D
* [15:45] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i find that the opposite moy
* [15:45] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  mario and sonic games, all you do is jump
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there. now I'm moving
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  happy moy?
* [15:45] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Well, I've always moved around in SL, It's kinda 'strange' to see so many people standing still
* [15:46] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  how about a video game where you just stand and talk
* [15:46] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  yah know thats a good point why is funasisted flight still limited?
* [15:46] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Oskar, I think you need a jump animation, to trick people.
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's a technical discussion. in world appearnce is secondary to chat content
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Sebastian++ fly limits just make everyone wear "flight feathers" and other laggy scripts
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and I try to make the content full of good info, not just walking around posing
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  is no poser
* [15:46] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  wonders why this sim is averaging 50% efficiency, cant someone just see what scripts are effecting the sim and return/reject them
* [15:46] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  personally has chat fairly much covering the display, for example
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  returns Mono
* [15:47] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  I think you're just prejudice, against jumping.
* [15:47] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  combined with a reboot.. we should be all good
* [15:47] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  after we could rez things past 1000 meters
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'm only here like an hour a week mono
* [15:47] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  the no fly joke became even more a joke
* [15:47] [[User:kizmut Smit|kizmut Smit]]:  ouch
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I forget about it all the other times
* [15:47] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  =]
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but it is due for a good scrubbing
* [15:47] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  gifts from xstreet landing in normal sl xDD
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but we would lose prospero's prims
* [15:48] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  imagines taking someone's avatar into his inventory, and wonders if that was actually possible at some point in the distant SL past.
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  poor prospero
* [15:48] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i tried it
* [15:48] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  I wanna hear about how epic mono 2.6 or w/e will be.
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  me too nomad
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but all in good time
* [15:48] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  [14:48
* [14:48] [[User:SL Remote|SL Remote]]:  Deposit: TRACKER DEBUG - ally or replace me with a new copy. at Ahern <12.25202, 5.41459, 39.52367>
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  big summer for us though
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the stuff lined up ...
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and I thought this week was rough
* [15:48] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  hehe
* [15:49] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i suspect sim freezes arenot going away with just the mono upgrade, there is some resource leak lurkig in there
* [15:49] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Stuff... beyond Mono 2.6.1?
* [15:49] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  Remote deposit boxes are obsoleet, I would expect errors from one
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're working on it latif
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but yeah
* [15:49] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  i know
* [15:49] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  i have see a xstreat atm in beta but nor working XDD
* [15:49] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Maybe we should talk about the TPV politics.
* [15:49] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  its been here for ever
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  improvements are being made
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  albeit slowly
* [15:49] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  before they were obsolete
* [15:49] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  hopefully simon can fill us in on his multi-threaded rezzing, how's that going?
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but there is progress and if you look back far enough you can see it
* [15:49] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  I have to say, I think improvements are really speeding up again...
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* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  that you can tell us about
* [15:50] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Mostly perfromance
* [15:50] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xstreet not working in beta xD but i have se a atm in beta
* [15:50] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  rezzing performance?
* [15:50] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  xD
* [15:50] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  preformance is good
* [15:50] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  The part that should be in 1.40 involves region crossings and TP arrivals
* [15:50] [[User:Phox ModularSystems|Phox ModularSystems]]:  Mmm
* [15:50] [[User:Phox ModularSystems|Phox ModularSystems]]:  Amazing
* [15:50] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  ohh?
* [15:50] [[User:Phox ModularSystems|Phox ModularSystems]]:  I'm really happy to hear that Simon :o
* [15:50] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Simon I love it when you talk dirty.
* [15:50] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  super duper
* [15:50] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Right now the simulator basically stops what it's doing, processes the incoming AV or object, does all the work (causing lag for everyone on the region) before continuing
* [15:50] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  Will it make teleports faster? Or just less laggy for pubbies with 400 scripts on?
* [15:51] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Simon; any chance we can get an option to set scripts as not to be serialised for teleport/region crossing?
* [15:51] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  does that mean vehicles won't be as susceptible to twilight zoning
* [15:51] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  The work I did will multithread this processing ... so there should be less lag for everyone in the region when someone arrives
* [15:51] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah, that's what we're seeing, also on exit, not only on entry
* [15:51] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Someone else is just starting to look at the case of leaving the region
* [15:51] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  do you do serialization bits on exit in a separate thread too?
* [15:51] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  ah ok
* [15:51] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  Simon, are the 'static' parts of scripts already serialized so only the variables need serialization?
* [15:51] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  auto-reset on inventory change would also be a nice option to set for scripts, rather than having to handled in-script for each state
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  exit can be just as bad
* [15:52] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  personally, adding an estate control for the owner or managers to set a "max script time" limit on inbound TPs would be a good stopgap measure
* [15:52] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  give it a german office hour also? xD
* [15:52] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  The area that will need testing when we get 1.40 onto aditi is region crossings ... need to make sure it hasn't gotten worse for the person doing the crossing
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  guessing that script and prim serialization is done in a blocking way too now
* [15:52] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]:  (Well, and internal state stuff)
* [15:52] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  wouldn't stop people from wearing things obnce they were there, but...
* [15:52] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  I think you're right about that, Latif
* [15:53] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Gooden; eh, why do have measures. Have a "Naked on teleport arrival" flag :)
* [15:53] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  half, even
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Simon, perhaps include that in multi-threaded work at some point too?
* [15:53] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  XUgu... i'd do that if i could :)
* [15:53] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Yes Latif, someone's about to start measurements there to confirm it's a problem worth fixing
* [15:53] [[User:Try moving|Try moving]]:  closer.  Can't sit on object because
* it is not in the same region as you.
* [15:54] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  but the main culprits seem to always be over 1 ms in script time
* [15:54] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  it is trust me, i see long freezes on tp out for prim and script heavy avatars
* [15:54] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Help I'm being griefed!
* [15:54] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  what latif said
* [15:54] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  It's related, but some viewer devs are looking at the update code that's repsonsible for the rubber-banding.
* [15:54] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Simon, I don't think it's viewer, I see problems on teleport out
* [15:55] [[User:Phox ModularSystems|Phox ModularSystems]]:  I gotta go, got a meeting on agni, bye everyone, thanks Oskar
* [15:55] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  I turn off physics on my vehicles when they go over sim borders and it eliminates that
* [15:55] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  the whole sim freezes, the same as for tp in
* [15:55] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Unfortunately the viewer today is really not very smart about it .. .it will slam you back into a position instead of figuring out that you're going to be soon close to where you are, for example
* [15:55] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Seeya Phox!
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thx phox
* [15:55] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  I'm gonna go aswell :o
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  g/l in ur meeting
* [15:55] [[User:Moy Loon|Moy Loon]]:  See ya later Oskar :o
* [15:55] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  I think someone needs to be in charge of rewriting pipeline.
* [15:55] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  phox when can we go car shopping?
* [15:55] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  afternoon phox
* [15:55] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  You can clearly see the entry / exit lags on a 'fast time dilation viewers' link Moon's one (one Ahern and Morris)
* [15:56] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  By the way, did we ever get our "This is who Oskar is" announcement?
* [15:56] [[User:Ayamo Nozaki|Ayamo Nozaki]]:  whispers: nice kart too.
* [15:56] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  mm we'll get rid of this 1.36 region soon enough
* [15:56] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  I don't doubt that leaving a region causes lag too, we just need to get real data showing it so we can measure before and after. Otherwise, performance work is just taking shots in the dark
* [15:56] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  its more croweded here then usual
* [15:56] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  his picture says it all
* [15:57] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Leaving a region causes a hang if the avatar is full up on mono.
* [15:57] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  full of ne'er do wells
* [15:57] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  idly wonders if the best way of introducing script memory limits would be to initially give estate managers the ability to set per-avatar limits, and anyone over that has no scripts (as if it's a no-script parcel)
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh that is right seb... I totally forgot
* [15:58] [[User:Phox ModularSystems|Phox ModularSystems]]:  Oh oops, wrong grid... >_> Ugh
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  let me add that to the agenda for next week
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hi phox
* [15:58] [[User:Katelyn Manamiko|Katelyn Manamiko]]:  lol phox
* [15:58] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Ok :)
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  need a kick off phox?
* [15:58] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  go for the extra point
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well this is probably a fine place to end the meeting
* [15:58] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  100+ mono scripts will hang for about a second, when you get to about 300 mono scripts leaving it becomes more than noticeable
* [15:59] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  meeting/turned griefing session lol
* [15:59] [[User:Project Neox|Project Neox]]:  Yeah
* [15:59] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  (On my client anyway)
* [15:59] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Thanks for hosting, Lindens!
* [15:59] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  xugu.... if that avatar's scripts were to silently fail, or to make the TP fail, it would help immensely
* [15:59] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  Thank you indeed :)
* [15:59] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  thanks for having us
* [15:59] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Gooden, I'm mostly asleep, you want to JIRA that?
* [15:59] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  thanks for coming
* [15:59] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  thanks for working on havok 7
* [15:59] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Yeah, mono scripts unfortunately require more memory, which translates into more memory to save, send to the new region, deserialize and process
* [15:59] [[User:Project Neox|Project Neox]]:  Bye :D
* [15:59] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  as a feature request? sure
* [16:00] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  I have to run, want to try and get an hour on PoP:SoT
* [16:00] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  before bed time
* [16:00] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  Thanks Oskal, Lil, Simon, Mastero
* [16:00] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Gooden, cool. Throw me a note on Agni and I'll vote in the morning (UK time)
* [16:00] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  take care Ima
* [16:00] [[User:Merato Zilz|Merato Zilz]]:  oh that comes out tonight?
* [16:00] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Does the 1.38 or w/e it is have functionality to limit mono memory used?
* [16:00] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  night all
* [16:00] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  Simon, hence why we need to set some scripts as not needing their state serialised :)
* [16:00] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  np
* [16:00] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  simo, carry on the good work, just don't forget sim exit is a problem too :D
* [16:00] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  No Nomad, there is no enforcement on limits yet
* [16:01] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  I mean, does the scripter have a function to limit it themselves?
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  You have 5 seconds until you are booted.
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* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  2
* [16:01] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  but are the times reported to the client?
* [16:01] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  and another win for letting mono script choose a lower memory limit
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  1
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  You are not authorized for Oskar's Throne
* [16:01] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  *$*LoL *$*
* [16:01] [[User:SuesseMaus Hotaling|SuesseMaus Hotaling]]:  lool
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  You are not authorized for Oskar's Throne
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* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  2
* [16:01] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  thanks oskar, simon, maestro, lil, and assorted characters, good meeting
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  1
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  Oskars Throne doesn't like Merato Zilz
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  You are not authorized for Oskar's Throne
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* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Throne|Oskars Throne]]:  Oskars Throne doesn't like Ayamo Nozaki
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  bye guys
* [16:01] [[User:Mono Nemeth|Mono Nemeth]]:  where are the tools to measure the limits we have to work within?
* [16:01] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Thanks everyone for coming
* [16:01] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]:  Bye folks
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  agreed. thanks all
* [16:01] [[User:Nomad Padar|Nomad Padar]]:  Au Reviour
* [16:01] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  thank you Simon
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  it's in the script info floater in the viewer
* [16:02] [[User:Xugu Madison|Xugu Madison]]:  See you all!
* [16:02] [[User:SHAMUS Carter|SHAMUS Carter]]:  thaks all
* [16:02] [[User:LadyDi Andel|LadyDi Andel]]:  thanks Lindens - tootles
* [16:02] [[User:Sebastean Steamweaver|Sebastean Steamweaver]]:  pooofs to work in 1.38!
* [16:02] [[User:Huns Valen|Huns Valen]]:  welp
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and now I have to put together the notes

Revision as of 19:47, 15 April 2010

This meeting was held on April 15th, 2010

Agenda

  • Discuss resolution of previous open items.
  • Updates
    • 1.38 is in pilot roll now.
      • Are the bunnies doing ok?
    • 1.40 info
    • Havok 7 testing info.
      • Timeline for physical objects >32 prims? Was described as "post Havok 7."
    • Getting private regions into ADITI for 1.40 testing.
    • 1.42 info
      • tcmalloc
  • Releases
    • 1.38.2 1st week in May
  • Any other business
    • what you want to talk about goes here.

Resolved Items

Meeting Minutes

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for April 15th, 2010: