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Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for February 2nd, 2011: | Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for February 2nd, 2011: | ||
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* [15:00] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: were u cloned mr mamoth:) | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: happy Thursday everybody | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: likewise | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we'll wait a few minutes and see who else shows up | |||
* [15:02] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: And happy (Chinese) New Year of the Rabbit :-) | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: next year is my year :-) | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: happy new rabbit year:) | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]: Oskar, will you upload the logs of the last two office hours to the wiki? | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: bringing back the dragon | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Homeless: I|Homeless: I]]: have a question while we're waiting | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I will Lares | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]: cool, thanks! | |||
* [15:03] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Ah... the Dragon is a happy sign. | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'll explain if you give me a chance | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Homeless: If|Homeless: If]]: I drop a physical rubber sphere 100 meters down, how high should it bounce? | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: rubber means nothing really | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: changes some friction | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: maybe the sound | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: doesn't depend on what u drop it on? | |||
* [15:04] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Rubber mostly changes the sound, yes. | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Homeless: it|Homeless: it]]: used to bounce, now it doesn't | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Homeless: the|Homeless: the]]: ground | |||
* [15:04] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Everything used to bounce really. | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so we might as well get started | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: light crowd today | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Homeless: I|Homeless: I]]: used to be able to sit on a sphere, raise it to 4000 meters, close edit window and go for a bouncyy ride when it hit ground | |||
* [15:05] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Did nobody give a shout on channel? | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Homeless: now|Homeless: now]]: it just lands | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Homeless: is|Homeless: is]]: that correct? | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so here is the agenda | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: first order of business is introducing Log Linden | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: rubber that doesn't bounce? that sounds wrong | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Log who are you and what do you do? | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: Let's see, I'm a software engineer at Linden Lab | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: I'm working on asset delivery improvements in the simulator | |||
* [15:07] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: That sounds pretty important. | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: im stuck.. | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: hi log. btw were u brought back by the miracles of modern cloning:) | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: hmm | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: log lag lol | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: any details you can share Log? | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: weird I was here 5 mins ago and not a sole | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: heh, rex, mostly computers | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: trying out the new firestorm..maybe thats why im stuck kol | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the more details you ahve the happier these guys are | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: very likely that u will receive lots of love from people that have inventory problems | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: anything short of server source code will be fine by me :-D | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Log, asset delivery from backend to sim, or from sim to the viewers? | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: backend to sim | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Identity Euler|Identity Euler]]: wb Homeless | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: swithing to http there too? | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: oddly, sim to backend has been http for a long time | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: That's already http, we're just improving the way to do it | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: we're just cranking up the rates a bit | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: cool | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: and it's coming to Aditi.... | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: rate cranking? | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: when is it coming to aditi? | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: we hit code complete | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: today | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: i wish all asset downloads were http, but only sim -> viewer assets that are switched over are textures | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: for the first phase | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: QA soak and then Aditi | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: We're hoping sims that have a history of | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: high download queue numbers will get | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: an improvement from this. | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: Combats sims | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: etc. | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: so log, did u alread jump head first in to code to see why asset delivery is so cranky? | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: So we're looking for volunteers | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Monty, it happens on all sims occasionally | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: yeah but we have a few that break 1000 and approach 10000 | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: hope there will not me more gosted prims than before | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: But the benefits are everyone's | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Monty can you outline exactly what kind of sims you're hoping will volunteer | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: I don't have a concrete description, at least not yet. | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ok, we can work on that offline again. maybe send out a mail to the list | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: high usage of non-texture assets (clothing, sound, gestures, animations). | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: high TP occurrences resulting in additional load | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: meshes ? | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: meshes should be unaffected by this | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: either way | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: cool. glad to hear about those changes | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and welcome to Log | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Log says he'll be attending more of these meetings | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: HEYA | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Monty told him to | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: welcome tot he madhouse Log | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: :) | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: It probably won't be compressed region crossings but | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: it should be an incremental change in the right direction | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: let's get some graphs :-D | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: loll log | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so let's see what's next | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Maestro says he has some good news | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: that teleport graph needs framing | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Maestro? | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: success story at last | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: (before the big megaprim deletion disaster of 2011) :P | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: hi Oskar | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: hi Eddi | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: ah its true.... | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Maestro? | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: some mega prims were gone... they were deleted? | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: oops sorry | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: had chat in another window | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: yes, what happened to megaprims ? | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we're waiting on Maestro to tell us his good news | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: *ahem* | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: lol | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskars Drag|Oskars Drag]]: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: so, Andrew has fixed the bug that's blocking threaded object rez | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: this is good news | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: and we're planning to throw it into next week's iteration of the maint-server branch | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: (which is currently on... Magum) | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: with threaded rez enabled | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: The Return of T-Rez | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: what r threaded objects? | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: yarn | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: quilts | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: sweaters | |||
* [15:18] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: haha | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: bolts | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: no kidding:) | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: blasted knitters | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: it's faster rezzing | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: with less sim lag | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Homeless: real|Homeless: real]]: life cloth in sl! | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Monty you want to tackle a description of threads? | |||
* [15:19] [[User:4 Wheeler|4 Wheeler]]: You aren't the owner | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: so how many threaded sweaters can your servers support:) | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: less grey goo fencing? | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: haha | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Monty LindenMonty|Monty LindenMonty]]: Linden is mostly angered by threads | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: seriously | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the concept of Threads in operating systems and software development is probably better researched on wikipedia or something | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: no, you'll hit the grey goo fence even quicker if you try to rez above the limit | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: we push some deferrable rezzing work into a thread | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: if you're trying to rez continuously like that... | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the basic idea is parallel code instead of sequential | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: rezzing objects have three states then: not existing, in trasition, rezzed | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: I have urged Simon to take into account de-rezzing too, they cause big sim freezes too. So far I have not managed to convice him it was needed. | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: and by squeezing the middle time is saved | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: and a 4 one: gosted | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i am aware what threads r. the thing is that the viewer doesn't tell u if the objects u rez r threaded or not | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: ghosted is a special case for SL name 'avro' | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: <_< | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: am beside | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: alright so, next up | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: none of the viewer's business (threads) | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the LInden Homes broken door bug | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: No, what people call ghosted prims are prims that get removed from simulation, but not from the physics engine, so you end up bumping into invisible walls. | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: strictly internal state | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: (eddi.decosta) is now known as Eddi Decosta. | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: isnt this one for LDPW? | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: oh right | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: while we're talking about ghosted prims | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: does anyone have a reliable repro for creating ghosted prims? | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: yeh I saw a few on BS sandbox the other week | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: (eddi.decosta) is now known as Monster LagGroup. | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: no, dont' know when they occur, honest | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Homeless: what|Homeless: what]]: is a ghosted prim? | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I've talked with Falcon about it | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and he can't do a lot until he can see how they get made | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar, it seems to be the care when derez (talking to inventory server) takes a long time. There seem to be some timing issues when inventory db/asset server are slow to respond. | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: parcell changes seems to favour them, but not sure | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: if you guys can ask around and see if anyone knows a set of reliable repro steps for creating ghosted prims I can get Falcon to look at it | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: it's physical form exists on the simular | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: simulator* but not the prim | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: this will nobel price | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: lol | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ok | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: long time ago i did see them.. | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: well back to the broken doors bug | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: I don't know if you can simulate conditions with asset server slowness, or inv db. | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: what's wrong with the doors? | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the issue sounds humorous but actually was a pretty deep issue | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: linden homes are unique in how they use the sim | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the root prim is off the users parcel but the entire home is on their parcel | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so they can use full prim allotmens and still have a house | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: encroachment brought a bug though | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: haha | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the bug overrode root prims parcel script settings | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Master StarshipMaster|Master StarshipMaster]]: Starship smiles | |||
* [15:25] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: people cleverly do the same with abandoned main land. so not that unique. | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: heh | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and favored per prim parcel script settings | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Master Starship|Master Starship]]: so we can get rid of those lovely homes if we wish ;) | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: so perhaps sim flag to allow scripts not to break? | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar, interesting | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so scripts in child prims in linden homes were not able to be used | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it was interesting | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Homeless: they|Homeless: they]]: put a lot of house makers out of business | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: well, am hapy of having a free land, but not the house on it, lol | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and it affected a lot more than just linden homes for sure | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: i thought most ppl just TP in | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: people whose scripts were set to everyone would still work of course | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: do they really need a door? | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: lol | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so it was tricky to deduce | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it was more than doors it was everything scripted in the house | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: ah | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but that's what we heard "my doors are broke" | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: I thought these scripts where http | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Master Starship|Master Starship]]: the thing most people use | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the issue was pretty widespread but we got a fix into two of the RC's | |||
* [15:27] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Master: that would be "my sexbed is broken" | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Master Starship|Master Starship]]: Who gave you your sexbed is broken ? | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: if u let people rez their own doors... | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and moved most of the linden homes to those spares | |||
* [15:27] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Love the sync | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we put it into two rc's so that it would for sure go out next week. | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it was either that or rollback | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and I like this approach better | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so if you've noticed weridness in that regard now you know the issue | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: There's a separate issue with Linden Homes as well | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: I never notice those, my whole sim is one parcel | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: which is distinct from the 'broken doors' bug | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: yeah the LH houses do some weird stuff | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we're working on that too | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: or rather the land team is | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: there are some connectivity issues between the LSL scripts in certain homes and the control panel in the website | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: we're still investigating that bug | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: or rather the land team is | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: besides that the releases this week went fairly well | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Monty LindenMonty|Monty LindenMonty]]: Linden suggests that the website code get a code review | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the megaprimloss issue was not related to any server deploys | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: and that is provides more options to these LHs | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: just a matter of poor timing | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'm always pretty open with you guys about causes and technical details but on this issue it wasn't my call so I don''t have much more I can divulge | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it was unintentional and unrelated to server rolls | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Homeless: I'll|Homeless: I'll]]: be glad when the 64m limit is live... will be able to get rid of megaprims | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: individual cases can request a rollback if sims are affected. | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: seems that the lost megaprims, when no copy, where not going to "lost and found" according t post, rigt ? | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: so there's a clamp down on mp usage? | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: there is no clampdown on MP usage | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it was an accident | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: k | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: not intentional and not a bug | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: oh was a mistake only? | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: red button hit cauz lag, lol | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we support megaprims by default and will probably continue to do so | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: it would be nice to make objects over 10m | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: though | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we've got a few things in RC this week | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: there is a display names fix | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the interest list code | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and maintserver fixes | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: It would be nice if the sim sent a message to the viewer on what max size prim is supported | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: next week the ilist code will probably get pushed to the main grid | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: in a way is good that it was just an accident, otherwise it would have meant the megas were gone | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: the platform i had was deleted lol | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: was weird when tp-ing home lol | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: wich fixes, if not too complicated to explain Oskar ? | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: for which? | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: for next RC | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: well next weeks RC's will have the display names one that is already out there | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the maintserver we have + theT-Rez fix | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: what you said at 15 : 33, mainserver fixes | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: maint server now has SVC-6678[c]: Changing Regions Very fast Causes "No Valid Agent ID" | |||
* [15:35] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6678|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6678]]: | |||
* [#SVC-6678] [[User:Changing Regions|Changing Regions]]: Very fast Causes " No Valid Agent ID " | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and SVC-6723[c]: Scripted and linked objects not behaving properly when crossing parcel boundaries | |||
* [15:35] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6723|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6723]]: | |||
* [#SVC-6723] [[User:Scripted and|Scripted and]]: linked objects not behaving properly when crossing parcel boundaries | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: nice having fixed these | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: maint-server has some misc sim crasher fixes as well | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and misc crash fixers :-p | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: nothing important :) | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:36] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: "very fast" erm.... it occurs when you are simply flying into another region as an avatar. | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: slow down red | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: life is too short for fast tp's | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: or soemthing | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: I've never been able to reproduce it with simple flying, personally.. but it's very easy to trigger if you sit on a scripted box that crosses 100x in 5 seconds | |||
* [15:37] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: I don't. I simply fly as an avatar with wings. Should I go on foot in the air? :-p | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Kelly Linden r here | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: get rid of friends too. you teleport faster when you don't have any friends. | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: what? what? what? what? what? what? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Kelly? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: here? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: now? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: <_< | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]: where? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: i've manged to generate this error by moving into 3 different region with a period of 1.5 seconds | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: >_> | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: wow | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: wow | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: welcome back Kelly | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: easy, sit on a prim that you edit amove, you can change sims at fast rate | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Hey tehKellz, welcome back :) | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]: thanks | |||
* [15:37] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Kelly is alive! Yay! | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: what's new Kelly? | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: hello | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: 892 diapers | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]: just trying to get back into the swing of things. | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]: hi Kelly! | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Kelly spent his break fixing every LSL issue and cocnern you have ever had and shipped it 5 minutes ago | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: right:) | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]: yup, if there are any more problems they are now Oskars fault. | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar c# scripting too? ;) | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: prolog :) | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: go already for F# lol | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: QA is only at fault for not finding developers faults in time | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: part of benefits could go to hire some | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: they hide those well. very skilled that way ;) | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so what is your plan for the rest of this quarter kelly? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: having plans to put raycats on RC ? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: what magical things are you working on that will wow this crowd? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: *raycast | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Monty LindenMonty|Monty LindenMonty]]: Linden wants raycats now | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Homeless: raycats|Homeless: raycats]]: sound fun | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I like the sound of raycats | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: lol | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: haha. for a sec i thought was something new:) | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: does it purr? | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: "work on not being afk while people ask questions" ;) | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]: I've still got the mono version update that I just need to sync up and push through to release. After that I'm not really sure yet. | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: Log forgot to Log out | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: lol | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: that thing is tooo talkative | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: Log is being distracted by coworkers | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'm sure Kelly will pop by again when he has more to show | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Falcon Linden r here | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: you're welcome here whenever kelly | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: OMG a Falcon? | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: I'm still reading | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Meow Raycats Meow | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: i was a linden graveyard today.... | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: at | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: There will be no "raycats" any more than there will be Lolcatz | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Flip IdlemindFlip|Flip IdlemindFlip]]: Idlemind <-- Official Linden Announcer :O | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: I want to be abundantly clear about that. :P | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: you've heard it here folks | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: lolcatz ? | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: no raycats | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: no long ones either? | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: he's so pushy ;) | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Latif: yeah...I am that :) | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: too lagy ? | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: I can haz raycast? | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Monty LindenMonty|Monty LindenMonty]]: Linden pwns assets, there will be raycats | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: FLIP: you can haz raycast. You can not haz raycats. | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so what are you working onthese days falcon? | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Yayy | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: so funny what a little typo can do:) | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Working on physics bugs, mesh asset verification, and a number of very cool things I can't tell you about. | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: linden bears gone of out fasion? | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: :) | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: sekrit projects | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: i love linden bears :) | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Can you tell us about the things you can't tell us about? | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: absolutely. | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: Falcon is here , it is already a big progress, maybe next week he will say somthing | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: They are things. | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: Adjustable gravity? | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: like "how to introduce most bugs that Oksar and QA will fail to find" ;) | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: yep! | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Homeless: should|Homeless: should]]: objects bounce when hitting the ground after falling great distances? | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: heya falcon | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Falcon is sneaky with his bugs | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Jonathan adjustable gravity multipliers are already part of physics materials | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: well, this in simulator already | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Homeless: depends on their restitution, eh? | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Homeless: they|Homeless: they]]: don't bounce as well as they used to | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Monty is more accomodating and just leaves them out for the rest of us to find easily | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: so, what bounces on what? | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Homeless: they|Homeless: they]]: sort of go splat | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: There are two major behavioral bugs I'm looking at (or will be next week). The penetrating boxes and the weird oscillation behavior during some collisions | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: ah, you could repro it Falcon ? | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: the boxes yes. The oscillations I haven't tried recently but I did see at one point. If you have a good repro, it would be helpful | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: well, it is when edges attack first than face | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: they penetrate the prim | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: well,specify elsewhere | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Right, but I once saw a nasty thing with some bowling pins that would never settle down | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: I assume that's the oscillation issue | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: didn't the bowling pins have some unreasonable physics settings? | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: in a way, I like this specificity of SL physics, lol | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: the whole thing had unreasonable physics settings | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: smile: I have no idea what that means | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: (well, perpetual motion finaly discovered, nice !) | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: the configurable options are nice | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: :) | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: so.... | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: too bad it works only in VWs | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: by the way, regarding bouncing, remember that because the extra gap has been removed, bounces will appear different | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: dont' get the point Falcon, the bouncing should appear more natural , or not ? | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: nature has no place in SL :-) | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: just...different :P | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: an elastic collision takes place and how far is ball bouncing should depend on its velocity. right? | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: could see a bit of penetration, for example | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: in the 6 minutes left I have 2 things left to discuss | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: yes, penetration probably due to mesh sizes | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: perhaps falcon can stay longer to answer physics question s? | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: the collision is not perfectly elastic. Both objects have a restitution, the collision's restitution is the geometric mean of the two colliding restitutions | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Sure. I'll wait. | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: remember that the viewer extrapolates motion of objects, so you could see some fake penetration when an object hits the ground | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: XMPP is close to being ready for ADITI | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'm working with that team to define what that will look like and how you all can help | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: what's xmpp? | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: Ah, that is why I make bounce rubber on stone | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I don't have a lot of info today | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: xmpp = new group IM chat | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but I'll loop you all in as I do | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: correct | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: didn't some peole already tried xmmp on this grid? | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: ahh right | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'll get someone here to answer your questions | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: some are connected to the chat server | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the LL server side has not been implemented | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: O/ | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: I found kinda new viwer bug : message appears before name | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Latif KhalifaLatif|Latif KhalifaLatif]]: Khalifa is in Second Life Beta chat as we speak ;;) | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: but not our group? | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the last thing I have to chat about is this new approach to office hours | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: u mean group meetings:) | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Linden Lab is changing Office Hours to targetted User Groups | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: there are really no changes from how this meeting is set up | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Melvin Starbrook|Melvin Starbrook]]: only a name change? | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I've been running things like this for more thana year and a half and it's working well | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: what does it mean Oskar ? Different hours for this meeting ? | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: my OH falls into the new communication plans perfectly | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: once I change the name | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: SBUG has a nice ring to it | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Server Beta User Group | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: lol | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Identity Euler|Identity Euler]]: | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: thoughts? | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: nice, lol | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: +1 | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: better than BSUG | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: BUGS :P | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Beta User Group - Server? | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: yes | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: heh | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'll think about it | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: BUGZ:) | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Zerver? | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Identity Euler|Identity Euler]]: Beta User Group Service :D | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: Beta User Groupie sounds better | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:59] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: Great idea to make clear that this group is not about the viewer anyway. | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'll apologize for not getting the transcripts up | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: sounds better with a z at the end:) | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I've been sick and out of the office for more than a week | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: sorry have crashed :) | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the notes are on this machine | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I have 3 weeks worth to update after this meeting :-) | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and there we go. I am done | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Falcon said he would stay around for more questions | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: that is very generous of him | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: have not heard the coucou this time ? | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: oh, | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: back to COD ? | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Flip IdlemindFlip|Flip IdlemindFlip]]: Idlemind <-- Came in late, and wants to know what "DRTSIM-30" is (and stands for) | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: :) | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: have a good afternoom all | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: night here | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: :) | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Lares Carter|Lares Carter]]: thanks for your time oskar, and thanks for updating the transcripts | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: tc all those leaving | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Sigma Avro|Sigma Avro]]: owell me too Rickk | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: flip: drtsim-30 is the interest list fixes | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: see all y'all next week | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: thanks for your time guys | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]: Later! | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I totally forget what the DRT acronym stands for | |||
* [16:01] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]: ciao. till next time. | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: the same thing that's on bluesteel now | |||
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: basically it's a holder for upcoming sim changes | |||
* [16:02] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: DRT: Don't Run This | |||
* [16:02] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: Demand Resource Table | |||
* [16:02] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: lol | |||
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Dude, Really Tubular | |||
* [16:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: hah falcon left | |||
* [16:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: group hug on falcon time | |||
* [16:03] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: lol | |||
* [16:03] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: isn't falcon stress enought with trying to fix bugx? show some mercy:) | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Identity Euler|Identity Euler]]: | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]: Did he leave voice on this time? | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: heh | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: he can handle it | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: his av probably is physics enhanced | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: should test an old tosser on him :P | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: time i was getting off | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: to bed :) | |||
* [16:04] [[User:Rickk Turbo|Rickk Turbo]]: nite all | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Identity Euler|Identity Euler]]: thank you, see you all next time | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: I'm still here | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: mutter mutter | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: there he is | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: was there a question? | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: questions? | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: going once... | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: going twice... | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: the right way to bounce things:) | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: is? | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: how to achieve world peace and kindness towards mankind? | |||
* [16:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: hah | |||
* [16:06] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Latif: First, send me a check for 6 million dollars. | |||
* [16:06] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: then? | |||
* [16:06] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: for a sec latif i though u were quoting team rocket:) | |||
* [16:06] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Do aditi dollars count? ;) | |||
* [16:06] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: Latif: Then I'll be at peace and happy | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: oh, little question about dual monitor, some time i see one black screen for 2 or 3 sec when i resize the viewer .. do you know if the dualscreen is supoorted or not? | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: No clue | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: but I need to run off and work on mesh decompression | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: and what i can do to get a full support of that :) | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Falcon Linden|Falcon Linden]]: So: adieu! | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: ciao | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: tc everybody. i am leaving too. and getwell oskar:) | |||
* [16:07] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: Not sure.. I know there's a long-lived bug about rebaking your clothing textures in macos when your viewer isn't on the primary monitor... | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: something about opengl bug in apple dirvers they don't care to fix | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]: maesto i see that :) | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: Oh yeah, and did I hear correctly that Threaded Rez is getting RC'd again | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: And also, Stone Linden r here | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Stoned Linden? | |||
* [16:08] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: I thought that was hiring prerequisite ;) | |||
* [16:10] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: hmmm money() event is getting fired twice for a single payment again. *sigh* | |||
* [16:10] [[User:Latif KhalifaLatif|Latif KhalifaLatif]]: Khalifa goes play customer support | |||
* [16:12] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]: There's also "DRTVWR-34_2.5.0-beta3" so whatever "DRT" is, it applies to viewers as well | |||
* [16:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I remembered it | |||
* [16:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Deploy Request Tracker | |||
* [16:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: whew | |||
* [16:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: cya kelly | |||
* [16:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ok guys I am logging off here | |||
* [16:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: cya! |
Revision as of 19:54, 3 February 2011
This meeting was held on February 2nd, 2011
Agenda
Updates
- Introducing Log Linden
- Log is working on the backend -> sim asset delivery system
- enhanced HTTP methods
- coming to ADITI soon.
- Good news from Maestro
- Andrew has a fix for the bug that's blocking threaded object rez
- we're planning to throw it into next week's iteration of the maint-server branch
- Linden Homes broken doors/encroachment bug.
- Main Channel
- Magnum
- Maint Server + encroachment bug fixes.
- LeTigre
- Display Names fixes
- llGetDisplayName returns nothing if the resident has not chosen a new name
- llGetDisplayName failed intermittently
- Blue Steel
- Simons Interest List project r + encroachment bug fixes.
- let there be fireworks
- XMPP
- User Groups or Office Hours?
Transcript
Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for February 2nd, 2011:
- [15:00] Rex Cronon: were u cloned mr mamoth:)
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: happy Thursday everybody
- [15:02] Rex Cronon: likewise
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: we'll wait a few minutes and see who else shows up
- [15:02] RedMokum Bravin: And happy (Chinese) New Year of the Rabbit :-)
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: next year is my year :-)
- [15:02] Rex Cronon: happy new rabbit year:)
- [15:02] Lares Carter: Oskar, will you upload the logs of the last two office hours to the wiki?
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: bringing back the dragon
- [15:02] Homeless: I: have a question while we're waiting
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: I will Lares
- [15:03] Lares Carter: cool, thanks!
- [15:03] RedMokum Bravin: Ah... the Dragon is a happy sign.
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: I'll explain if you give me a chance
- [15:03] Homeless: If: I drop a physical rubber sphere 100 meters down, how high should it bounce?
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: rubber means nothing really
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: changes some friction
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: maybe the sound
- [15:04] Rex Cronon: doesn't depend on what u drop it on?
- [15:04] RedMokum Bravin: Rubber mostly changes the sound, yes.
- [15:04] Homeless: it: used to bounce, now it doesn't
- [15:04] Homeless: the: ground
- [15:04] RedMokum Bravin: Everything used to bounce really.
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: so we might as well get started
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: light crowd today
- [15:05] Homeless: I: used to be able to sit on a sphere, raise it to 4000 meters, close edit window and go for a bouncyy ride when it hit ground
- [15:05] RedMokum Bravin: Did nobody give a shout on channel?
- [15:05] Homeless: now: it just lands
- [15:05] Homeless: is: that correct?
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: so here is the agenda
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: first order of business is introducing Log Linden
- [15:06] Rex Cronon: rubber that doesn't bounce? that sounds wrong
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: Log who are you and what do you do?
- [15:06] Log Linden: Let's see, I'm a software engineer at Linden Lab
- [15:07] Log Linden: I'm working on asset delivery improvements in the simulator
- [15:07] RedMokum Bravin: That sounds pretty important.
- [15:07] Melvin Starbrook: im stuck..
- [15:08] Rex Cronon: hi log. btw were u brought back by the miracles of modern cloning:)
- [15:08] Rickk Turbo: hmm
- [15:08] Sigma Avro: log lag lol
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: any details you can share Log?
- [15:08] Rickk Turbo: weird I was here 5 mins ago and not a sole
- [15:08] Log Linden: heh, rex, mostly computers
- [15:08] Melvin Starbrook: trying out the new firestorm..maybe thats why im stuck kol
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: the more details you ahve the happier these guys are
- [15:08] Rex Cronon: very likely that u will receive lots of love from people that have inventory problems
- [15:09] Oskar Linden: anything short of server source code will be fine by me :-D
- [15:09] Latif Khalifa: Log, asset delivery from backend to sim, or from sim to the viewers?
- [15:09] Log Linden: backend to sim
- [15:09] Identity Euler: wb Homeless
- [15:09] Latif Khalifa: swithing to http there too?
- [15:09] Monty Linden: oddly, sim to backend has been http for a long time
- [15:09] Log Linden: That's already http, we're just improving the way to do it
- [15:09] Monty Linden: we're just cranking up the rates a bit
- [15:10] Latif Khalifa: cool
- [15:10] Monty Linden: and it's coming to Aditi....
- [15:10] Oskar Linden: rate cranking?
- [15:10] Oskar Linden: when is it coming to aditi?
- [15:10] Monty Linden: we hit code complete
- [15:10] Monty Linden: today
- [15:10] Latif Khalifa: i wish all asset downloads were http, but only sim -> viewer assets that are switched over are textures
- [15:10] Monty Linden: for the first phase
- [15:10] Monty Linden: QA soak and then Aditi
- [15:10] Monty Linden: We're hoping sims that have a history of
- [15:11] Monty Linden: high download queue numbers will get
- [15:11] Monty Linden: an improvement from this.
- [15:11] Monty Linden: Combats sims
- [15:11] Monty Linden: etc.
- [15:11] Rex Cronon: so log, did u alread jump head first in to code to see why asset delivery is so cranky?
- [15:11] Monty Linden: So we're looking for volunteers
- [15:11] Latif Khalifa: Monty, it happens on all sims occasionally
- [15:11] Monty Linden: yeah but we have a few that break 1000 and approach 10000
- [15:12] Sigma Avro: hope there will not me more gosted prims than before
- [15:12] Monty Linden: But the benefits are everyone's
- [15:12] Oskar Linden: Monty can you outline exactly what kind of sims you're hoping will volunteer
- [15:12] Monty Linden: I don't have a concrete description, at least not yet.
- [15:13] Oskar Linden: ok, we can work on that offline again. maybe send out a mail to the list
- [15:13] Monty Linden: high usage of non-texture assets (clothing, sound, gestures, animations).
- [15:13] Monty Linden: high TP occurrences resulting in additional load
- [15:13] Sigma Avro: meshes ?
- [15:14] Monty Linden: meshes should be unaffected by this
- [15:14] Monty Linden: either way
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: cool. glad to hear about those changes
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: and welcome to Log
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: Log says he'll be attending more of these meetings
- [15:14] Eddi Decosta: HEYA
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: Monty told him to
- [15:14] Latif Khalifa: welcome tot he madhouse Log
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:14] Latif Khalifa: :)
- [15:14] Monty Linden: It probably won't be compressed region crossings but
- [15:15] Monty Linden: it should be an incremental change in the right direction
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: let's get some graphs :-D
- [15:15] Eddi Decosta: loll log
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: so let's see what's next
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: Maestro says he has some good news
- [15:15] Latif Khalifa: that teleport graph needs framing
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: Maestro?
- [15:15] Latif Khalifa: success story at last
- [15:16] Latif Khalifa: (before the big megaprim deletion disaster of 2011) :P
- [15:16] Eddi Decosta: hi Oskar
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: hi Eddi
- [15:16] Melvin Starbrook: ah its true....
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: Maestro?
- [15:17] Melvin Starbrook: some mega prims were gone... they were deleted?
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: oops sorry
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: had chat in another window
- [15:17] Sigma Avro: yes, what happened to megaprims ?
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: we're waiting on Maestro to tell us his good news
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: *ahem*
- [15:17] Rickk Turbo: lol
- [15:17] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
- [15:17] Maestro Linden: so, Andrew has fixed the bug that's blocking threaded object rez
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: this is good news
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: and we're planning to throw it into next week's iteration of the maint-server branch
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: (which is currently on... Magum)
- [15:18] Maestro Linden: with threaded rez enabled
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: The Return of T-Rez
- [15:18] Rex Cronon: what r threaded objects?
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: yarn
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: quilts
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: sweaters
- [15:18] RedMokum Bravin: haha
- [15:18] Monty Linden: bolts
- [15:18] Rex Cronon: no kidding:)
- [15:19] Monty Linden: blasted knitters
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: it's faster rezzing
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: with less sim lag
- [15:19] Homeless: real: life cloth in sl!
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: Monty you want to tackle a description of threads?
- [15:19] 4 Wheeler: You aren't the owner
- [15:19] Rex Cronon: so how many threaded sweaters can your servers support:)
- [15:19] Rickk Turbo: less grey goo fencing?
- [15:19] Monty Linden: haha
- [15:19] Monty LindenMonty: Linden is mostly angered by threads
- [15:19] Monty Linden: seriously
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: the concept of Threads in operating systems and software development is probably better researched on wikipedia or something
- [15:19] Maestro Linden: no, you'll hit the grey goo fence even quicker if you try to rez above the limit
- [15:20] Monty Linden: we push some deferrable rezzing work into a thread
- [15:20] Maestro Linden: if you're trying to rez continuously like that...
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: the basic idea is parallel code instead of sequential
- [15:20] Monty Linden: rezzing objects have three states then: not existing, in trasition, rezzed
- [15:20] Latif Khalifa: I have urged Simon to take into account de-rezzing too, they cause big sim freezes too. So far I have not managed to convice him it was needed.
- [15:20] Monty Linden: and by squeezing the middle time is saved
- [15:20] Sigma Avro: and a 4 one: gosted
- [15:21] Rex Cronon: i am aware what threads r. the thing is that the viewer doesn't tell u if the objects u rez r threaded or not
- [15:21] Monty Linden: ghosted is a special case for SL name 'avro'
- [15:21] Oskar Linden: <_<
- [15:21] Sigma Avro: am beside
- [15:21] Oskar Linden: alright so, next up
- [15:21] Monty Linden: none of the viewer's business (threads)
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: the LInden Homes broken door bug
- [15:22] Latif Khalifa: No, what people call ghosted prims are prims that get removed from simulation, but not from the physics engine, so you end up bumping into invisible walls.
- [15:22] Monty Linden: strictly internal state
- [15:22] Eddi Decosta: (eddi.decosta) is now known as Eddi Decosta.
- [15:22] Rickk Turbo: isnt this one for LDPW?
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: oh right
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: while we're talking about ghosted prims
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: does anyone have a reliable repro for creating ghosted prims?
- [15:22] Rickk Turbo: yeh I saw a few on BS sandbox the other week
- [15:23] Eddi Decosta: (eddi.decosta) is now known as Monster LagGroup.
- [15:23] Sigma Avro: no, dont' know when they occur, honest
- [15:23] Homeless: what: is a ghosted prim?
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: I've talked with Falcon about it
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: and he can't do a lot until he can see how they get made
- [15:23] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, it seems to be the care when derez (talking to inventory server) takes a long time. There seem to be some timing issues when inventory db/asset server are slow to respond.
- [15:23] Sigma Avro: parcell changes seems to favour them, but not sure
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: if you guys can ask around and see if anyone knows a set of reliable repro steps for creating ghosted prims I can get Falcon to look at it
- [15:23] Rickk Turbo: it's physical form exists on the simular
- [15:24] Rickk Turbo: simulator* but not the prim
- [15:24] Sigma Avro: this will nobel price
- [15:24] Sigma Avro: lol
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: ok
- [15:24] Melvin Starbrook: long time ago i did see them..
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: well back to the broken doors bug
- [15:24] Latif Khalifa: I don't know if you can simulate conditions with asset server slowness, or inv db.
- [15:24] Rickk Turbo: what's wrong with the doors?
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: the issue sounds humorous but actually was a pretty deep issue
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: linden homes are unique in how they use the sim
- [15:25] Oskar Linden: the root prim is off the users parcel but the entire home is on their parcel
- [15:25] Oskar Linden: so they can use full prim allotmens and still have a house
- [15:25] Oskar Linden: encroachment brought a bug though
- [15:25] Sigma Avro: haha
- [15:25] Oskar Linden: the bug overrode root prims parcel script settings
- [15:25] Master StarshipMaster: Starship smiles
- [15:25] RedMokum Bravin: people cleverly do the same with abandoned main land. so not that unique.
- [15:25] Rickk Turbo: heh
- [15:25] Oskar Linden: and favored per prim parcel script settings
- [15:25] Master Starship: so we can get rid of those lovely homes if we wish ;)
- [15:26] Rickk Turbo: so perhaps sim flag to allow scripts not to break?
- [15:26] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, interesting
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: so scripts in child prims in linden homes were not able to be used
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: it was interesting
- [15:26] Homeless: they: put a lot of house makers out of business
- [15:26] Sigma Avro: well, am hapy of having a free land, but not the house on it, lol
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: and it affected a lot more than just linden homes for sure
- [15:26] Rickk Turbo: i thought most ppl just TP in
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: people whose scripts were set to everyone would still work of course
- [15:26] Rickk Turbo: do they really need a door?
- [15:26] Rickk Turbo: lol
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: so it was tricky to deduce
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: it was more than doors it was everything scripted in the house
- [15:27] Rickk Turbo: ah
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: but that's what we heard "my doors are broke"
- [15:27] Sigma Avro: I thought these scripts where http
- [15:27] Master Starship: the thing most people use
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: the issue was pretty widespread but we got a fix into two of the RC's
- [15:27] RedMokum Bravin: Master: that would be "my sexbed is broken"
- [15:27] Master Starship: Who gave you your sexbed is broken ?
- [15:27] Rex Cronon: if u let people rez their own doors...
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: and moved most of the linden homes to those spares
- [15:27] RedMokum Bravin: Love the sync
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: we put it into two rc's so that it would for sure go out next week.
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: it was either that or rollback
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: and I like this approach better
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: so if you've noticed weridness in that regard now you know the issue
- [15:28] Maestro Linden: There's a separate issue with Linden Homes as well
- [15:29] Latif Khalifa: I never notice those, my whole sim is one parcel
- [15:29] Maestro Linden: which is distinct from the 'broken doors' bug
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: yeah the LH houses do some weird stuff
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: we're working on that too
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: or rather the land team is
- [15:29] Maestro Linden: there are some connectivity issues between the LSL scripts in certain homes and the control panel in the website
- [15:29] Maestro Linden: we're still investigating that bug
- [15:29] Maestro Linden: or rather the land team is
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: besides that the releases this week went fairly well
- [15:30] Monty LindenMonty: Linden suggests that the website code get a code review
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: the megaprimloss issue was not related to any server deploys
- [15:30] Sigma Avro: and that is provides more options to these LHs
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: just a matter of poor timing
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: I'm always pretty open with you guys about causes and technical details but on this issue it wasn't my call so I dont have much more I can divulge
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: it was unintentional and unrelated to server rolls
- [15:31] Homeless: I'll: be glad when the 64m limit is live... will be able to get rid of megaprims
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: individual cases can request a rollback if sims are affected.
- [15:31] Sigma Avro: seems that the lost megaprims, when no copy, where not going to "lost and found" according t post, rigt ?
- [15:32] Rickk Turbo: so there's a clamp down on mp usage?
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: there is no clampdown on MP usage
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: it was an accident
- [15:32] Rickk Turbo: k
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: not intentional and not a bug
- [15:32] Melvin Starbrook: oh was a mistake only?
- [15:32] Sigma Avro: red button hit cauz lag, lol
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: we support megaprims by default and will probably continue to do so
- [15:33] Rickk Turbo: it would be nice to make objects over 10m
- [15:33] Rickk Turbo: though
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: we've got a few things in RC this week
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: there is a display names fix
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: the interest list code
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: and maintserver fixes
- [15:33] Jonathan Yap: It would be nice if the sim sent a message to the viewer on what max size prim is supported
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: next week the ilist code will probably get pushed to the main grid
- [15:34] Rex Cronon: in a way is good that it was just an accident, otherwise it would have meant the megas were gone
- [15:34] Melvin Starbrook: the platform i had was deleted lol
- [15:34] Melvin Starbrook: was weird when tp-ing home lol
- [15:34] Sigma Avro: wich fixes, if not too complicated to explain Oskar ?
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: for which?
- [15:34] Sigma Avro: for next RC
- [15:35] Oskar Linden: well next weeks RC's will have the display names one that is already out there
- [15:35] Oskar Linden: the maintserver we have + theT-Rez fix
- [15:35] Sigma Avro: what you said at 15 : 33, mainserver fixes
- [15:35] Oskar Linden: maint server now has SVC-6678[c]: Changing Regions Very fast Causes "No Valid Agent ID"
- [15:35] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6678:
- [#SVC-6678] Changing Regions: Very fast Causes " No Valid Agent ID "
- [15:35] Oskar Linden: and SVC-6723[c]: Scripted and linked objects not behaving properly when crossing parcel boundaries
- [15:35] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6723:
- [#SVC-6723] Scripted and: linked objects not behaving properly when crossing parcel boundaries
- [15:36] Sigma Avro: nice having fixed these
- [15:36] Maestro Linden: maint-server has some misc sim crasher fixes as well
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: and misc crash fixers :-p
- [15:36] Maestro Linden: nothing important :)
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:36] RedMokum Bravin: "very fast" erm.... it occurs when you are simply flying into another region as an avatar.
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: slow down red
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: life is too short for fast tp's
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: or soemthing
- [15:37] Maestro Linden: I've never been able to reproduce it with simple flying, personally.. but it's very easy to trigger if you sit on a scripted box that crosses 100x in 5 seconds
- [15:37] RedMokum Bravin: I don't. I simply fly as an avatar with wings. Should I go on foot in the air? :-p
- [15:37] Flip Idlemind: Kelly Linden r here
- [15:37] Latif Khalifa: get rid of friends too. you teleport faster when you don't have any friends.
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: what? what? what? what? what? what?
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: Kelly?
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: here?
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: now?
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: <_<
- [15:37] Kelly Linden: where?
- [15:37] Rickk Turbo: i've manged to generate this error by moving into 3 different region with a period of 1.5 seconds
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: >_>
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: wow
- [15:37] Melvin Starbrook: wow
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: welcome back Kelly
- [15:37] Sigma Avro: easy, sit on a prim that you edit amove, you can change sims at fast rate
- [15:37] Latif Khalifa: Hey tehKellz, welcome back :)
- [15:37] Kelly Linden: thanks
- [15:37] RedMokum Bravin: Kelly is alive! Yay!
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: what's new Kelly?
- [15:38] Rex Cronon: hello
- [15:38] Jonathan Yap: 892 diapers
- [15:38] Kelly Linden: just trying to get back into the swing of things.
- [15:38] Lares Carter: hi Kelly!
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: Kelly spent his break fixing every LSL issue and cocnern you have ever had and shipped it 5 minutes ago
- [15:38] Rex Cronon: right:)
- [15:38] Kelly Linden: yup, if there are any more problems they are now Oskars fault.
- [15:38] Latif Khalifa: Oskar c# scripting too? ;)
- [15:38] Rickk Turbo: prolog :)
- [15:39] Sigma Avro: go already for F# lol
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: QA is only at fault for not finding developers faults in time
- [15:40] Sigma Avro: part of benefits could go to hire some
- [15:40] Latif Khalifa: they hide those well. very skilled that way ;)
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: so what is your plan for the rest of this quarter kelly?
- [15:41] Sigma Avro: having plans to put raycats on RC ?
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: what magical things are you working on that will wow this crowd?
- [15:41] Sigma Avro: *raycast
- [15:41] Monty LindenMonty: Linden wants raycats now
- [15:41] Homeless: raycats: sound fun
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: I like the sound of raycats
- [15:42] Sigma Avro: lol
- [15:42] Rex Cronon: haha. for a sec i thought was something new:)
- [15:42] Rickk Turbo: does it purr?
- [15:42] Latif Khalifa: "work on not being afk while people ask questions" ;)
- [15:43] Kelly Linden: I've still got the mono version update that I just need to sync up and push through to release. After that I'm not really sure yet.
- [15:43] Sigma Avro: Log forgot to Log out
- [15:43] Sigma Avro: lol
- [15:43] Rex Cronon: that thing is tooo talkative
- [15:44] Monty Linden: Log is being distracted by coworkers
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: I'm sure Kelly will pop by again when he has more to show
- [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Falcon Linden r here
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: you're welcome here whenever kelly
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: OMG a Falcon?
- [15:44] Log Linden: I'm still reading
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: Meow Raycats Meow
- [15:44] Melvin Starbrook: i was a linden graveyard today....
- [15:44] Melvin Starbrook: at
- [15:44] Falcon Linden: There will be no "raycats" any more than there will be Lolcatz
- [15:44] Flip IdlemindFlip: Idlemind <-- Official Linden Announcer :O
- [15:44] Falcon Linden: I want to be abundantly clear about that. :P
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: you've heard it here folks
- [15:44] Sigma Avro: lolcatz ?
- [15:44] Oskar Linden: no raycats
- [15:45] Rex Cronon: no long ones either?
- [15:45] Latif Khalifa: he's so pushy ;)
- [15:45] Falcon Linden: Latif: yeah...I am that :)
- [15:45] Sigma Avro: too lagy ?
- [15:45] Flip Idlemind: I can haz raycast?
- [15:45] Monty LindenMonty: Linden pwns assets, there will be raycats
- [15:45] Falcon Linden: FLIP: you can haz raycast. You can not haz raycats.
- [15:45] Oskar Linden: so what are you working onthese days falcon?
- [15:45] Flip Idlemind: Yayy
- [15:45] Rex Cronon: so funny what a little typo can do:)
- [15:46] Falcon Linden: Working on physics bugs, mesh asset verification, and a number of very cool things I can't tell you about.
- [15:46] Rickk Turbo: linden bears gone of out fasion?
- [15:46] Falcon Linden: :)
- [15:46] Latif Khalifa: sekrit projects
- [15:46] Melvin Starbrook: i love linden bears :)
- [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Can you tell us about the things you can't tell us about?
- [15:46] Falcon Linden: absolutely.
- [15:46] Sigma Avro: Falcon is here , it is already a big progress, maybe next week he will say somthing
- [15:46] Falcon Linden: They are things.
- [15:46] Jonathan Yap: Adjustable gravity?
- [15:46] Latif Khalifa: like "how to introduce most bugs that Oksar and QA will fail to find" ;)
- [15:47] Falcon Linden: yep!
- [15:47] Homeless: should: objects bounce when hitting the ground after falling great distances?
- [15:47] Eddi Decosta: heya falcon
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: Falcon is sneaky with his bugs
- [15:47] Falcon Linden: Jonathan adjustable gravity multipliers are already part of physics materials
- [15:47] Sigma Avro: well, this in simulator already
- [15:47] Falcon Linden: Homeless: depends on their restitution, eh?
- [15:47] Homeless: they: don't bounce as well as they used to
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: Monty is more accomodating and just leaves them out for the rest of us to find easily
- [15:47] Rex Cronon: so, what bounces on what?
- [15:47] Homeless: they: sort of go splat
- [15:48] Falcon Linden: There are two major behavioral bugs I'm looking at (or will be next week). The penetrating boxes and the weird oscillation behavior during some collisions
- [15:48] Sigma Avro: ah, you could repro it Falcon ?
- [15:48] Falcon Linden: the boxes yes. The oscillations I haven't tried recently but I did see at one point. If you have a good repro, it would be helpful
- [15:49] Sigma Avro: well, it is when edges attack first than face
- [15:49] Sigma Avro: they penetrate the prim
- [15:49] Sigma Avro: well,specify elsewhere
- [15:49] Falcon Linden: Right, but I once saw a nasty thing with some bowling pins that would never settle down
- [15:49] Falcon Linden: I assume that's the oscillation issue
- [15:50] Maestro Linden: didn't the bowling pins have some unreasonable physics settings?
- [15:50] Sigma Avro: in a way, I like this specificity of SL physics, lol
- [15:50] Falcon Linden: the whole thing had unreasonable physics settings
- [15:50] Falcon Linden: smile: I have no idea what that means
- [15:51] Sigma Avro: (well, perpetual motion finaly discovered, nice !)
- [15:51] Maestro Linden: the configurable options are nice
- [15:51] Rex Cronon: :)
- [15:51] Falcon Linden: so....
- [15:51] Rex Cronon: too bad it works only in VWs
- [15:52] Falcon Linden: by the way, regarding bouncing, remember that because the extra gap has been removed, bounces will appear different
- [15:53] Sigma Avro: dont' get the point Falcon, the bouncing should appear more natural , or not ?
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: nature has no place in SL :-)
- [15:54] Falcon Linden: just...different :P
- [15:54] Rex Cronon: an elastic collision takes place and how far is ball bouncing should depend on its velocity. right?
- [15:54] Falcon Linden: could see a bit of penetration, for example
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: in the 6 minutes left I have 2 things left to discuss
- [15:54] Sigma Avro: yes, penetration probably due to mesh sizes
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: perhaps falcon can stay longer to answer physics question s?
- [15:54] Falcon Linden: the collision is not perfectly elastic. Both objects have a restitution, the collision's restitution is the geometric mean of the two colliding restitutions
- [15:54] Falcon Linden: Sure. I'll wait.
- [15:55] Maestro Linden: remember that the viewer extrapolates motion of objects, so you could see some fake penetration when an object hits the ground
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: XMPP is close to being ready for ADITI
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: I'm working with that team to define what that will look like and how you all can help
- [15:55] Rickk Turbo: what's xmpp?
- [15:55] Sigma Avro: Ah, that is why I make bounce rubber on stone
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: I don't have a lot of info today
- [15:55] Jonathan Yap: xmpp = new group IM chat
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: but I'll loop you all in as I do
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: correct
- [15:55] Rex Cronon: didn't some peole already tried xmmp on this grid?
- [15:55] Rickk Turbo: ahh right
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: I'll get someone here to answer your questions
- [15:55] Jonathan Yap: some are connected to the chat server
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: the LL server side has not been implemented
- [15:56] Latif Khalifa: O/
- [15:56] Sigma Avro: I found kinda new viwer bug : message appears before name
- [15:56] Latif KhalifaLatif: Khalifa is in Second Life Beta chat as we speak ;;)
- [15:56] Rickk Turbo: but not our group?
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: the last thing I have to chat about is this new approach to office hours
- [15:56] Rex Cronon: u mean group meetings:)
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: Linden Lab is changing Office Hours to targetted User Groups
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: there are really no changes from how this meeting is set up
- [15:57] Melvin Starbrook: only a name change?
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: I've been running things like this for more thana year and a half and it's working well
- [15:57] Sigma Avro: what does it mean Oskar ? Different hours for this meeting ?
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: my OH falls into the new communication plans perfectly
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: once I change the name
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: SBUG has a nice ring to it
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: Server Beta User Group
- [15:57] Latif Khalifa: lol
- [15:58] Identity Euler:
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: thoughts?
- [15:58] Sigma Avro: nice, lol
- [15:58] Latif Khalifa: +1
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: better than BSUG
- [15:58] Jonathan Yap: BUGS :P
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: Beta User Group - Server?
- [15:58] Jonathan Yap: yes
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: heh
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: I'll think about it
- [15:58] Rex Cronon: BUGZ:)
- [15:58] Flip Idlemind: Zerver?
- [15:58] Identity Euler: Beta User Group Service :D
- [15:58] Rickk Turbo: Beta User Groupie sounds better
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:59] RedMokum Bravin: Great idea to make clear that this group is not about the viewer anyway.
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: I'll apologize for not getting the transcripts up
- [15:59] Rex Cronon: sounds better with a z at the end:)
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: I've been sick and out of the office for more than a week
- [15:59] Eddi Decosta: sorry have crashed :)
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: the notes are on this machine
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: I have 3 weeks worth to update after this meeting :-)
- [15:59] Oskar Linden: and there we go. I am done
- [16:00] Oskar Linden: Falcon said he would stay around for more questions
- [16:00] Oskar Linden: that is very generous of him
- [16:00] Sigma Avro: have not heard the coucou this time ?
- [16:00] Sigma Avro: oh,
- [16:00] Rickk Turbo: back to COD ?
- [16:00] Flip IdlemindFlip: Idlemind <-- Came in late, and wants to know what "DRTSIM-30" is (and stands for)
- [16:00] Rickk Turbo: :)
- [16:01] Sigma Avro: have a good afternoom all
- [16:01] Rickk Turbo: night here
- [16:01] Rickk Turbo: :)
- [16:01] Lares Carter: thanks for your time oskar, and thanks for updating the transcripts
- [16:01] Rex Cronon: tc all those leaving
- [16:01] Sigma Avro: owell me too Rickk
- [16:01] Maestro Linden: flip: drtsim-30 is the interest list fixes
- [16:01] Monty Linden: see all y'all next week
- [16:01] Latif Khalifa: thanks for your time guys
- [16:01] Log Linden: Later!
- [16:01] Oskar Linden: I totally forget what the DRT acronym stands for
- [16:01] RedMokum Bravin: ciao. till next time.
- [16:01] Maestro Linden: the same thing that's on bluesteel now
- [16:02] Oskar Linden: basically it's a holder for upcoming sim changes
- [16:02] Monty Linden: DRT: Don't Run This
- [16:02] Jonathan Yap: Demand Resource Table
- [16:02] Rickk Turbo: lol
- [16:02] Oskar Linden: Dude, Really Tubular
- [16:03] Oskar Linden: hah falcon left
- [16:03] Oskar Linden: group hug on falcon time
- [16:03] Latif Khalifa: lol
- [16:03] Rex Cronon: isn't falcon stress enought with trying to fix bugx? show some mercy:)
- [16:04] Identity Euler:
- [16:04] Jonathan Yap: Did he leave voice on this time?
- [16:04] Oskar Linden: heh
- [16:04] Oskar Linden: he can handle it
- [16:04] Oskar Linden: his av probably is physics enhanced
- [16:04] Latif Khalifa: should test an old tosser on him :P
- [16:04] Rickk Turbo: time i was getting off
- [16:04] Rickk Turbo: to bed :)
- [16:04] Rickk Turbo: nite all
- [16:05] Identity Euler: thank you, see you all next time
- [16:05] Falcon Linden: I'm still here
- [16:05] Falcon Linden: mutter mutter
- [16:05] Oskar Linden: there he is
- [16:05] Falcon Linden: was there a question?
- [16:05] Oskar Linden: questions?
- [16:05] Oskar Linden: going once...
- [16:05] Oskar Linden: going twice...
- [16:05] Rex Cronon: the right way to bounce things:)
- [16:05] Rex Cronon: is?
- [16:05] Latif Khalifa: how to achieve world peace and kindness towards mankind?
- [16:05] Oskar Linden: hah
- [16:06] Falcon Linden: Latif: First, send me a check for 6 million dollars.
- [16:06] Latif Khalifa: then?
- [16:06] Rex Cronon: for a sec latif i though u were quoting team rocket:)
- [16:06] Latif Khalifa: Do aditi dollars count? ;)
- [16:06] Falcon Linden: Latif: Then I'll be at peace and happy
- [16:07] Eddi Decosta: oh, little question about dual monitor, some time i see one black screen for 2 or 3 sec when i resize the viewer .. do you know if the dualscreen is supoorted or not?
- [16:07] Falcon Linden: No clue
- [16:07] Falcon Linden: but I need to run off and work on mesh decompression
- [16:07] Eddi Decosta: and what i can do to get a full support of that :)
- [16:07] Falcon Linden: So: adieu!
- [16:07] Latif Khalifa: ciao
- [16:07] Rex Cronon: tc everybody. i am leaving too. and getwell oskar:)
- [16:07] Maestro Linden: Not sure.. I know there's a long-lived bug about rebaking your clothing textures in macos when your viewer isn't on the primary monitor...
- [16:08] Latif Khalifa: something about opengl bug in apple dirvers they don't care to fix
- [16:08] Eddi Decosta: maesto i see that :)
- [16:08] Flip Idlemind: Oh yeah, and did I hear correctly that Threaded Rez is getting RC'd again
- [16:08] Flip Idlemind: And also, Stone Linden r here
- [16:08] Latif Khalifa: Stoned Linden?
- [16:08] Latif Khalifa: I thought that was hiring prerequisite ;)
- [16:10] Latif Khalifa: hmmm money() event is getting fired twice for a single payment again. *sigh*
- [16:10] Latif KhalifaLatif: Khalifa goes play customer support
- [16:12] Flip Idlemind: There's also "DRTVWR-34_2.5.0-beta3" so whatever "DRT" is, it applies to viewers as well
- [16:13] Oskar Linden: I remembered it
- [16:13] Oskar Linden: Deploy Request Tracker
- [16:13] Oskar Linden: whew
- [16:14] Oskar Linden: cya kelly
- [16:15] Oskar Linden: ok guys I am logging off here
- [16:15] Oskar Linden: cya!