Community Tools User Group/07-April-2011

13:03	Mags Indigo	ticks things off
	Peewee Musytari	kk
	Mags Indigo	I mean on paper
	Amanda Linden	ha
	Lexie	Registration date display..
	Mags Indigo	please get rid
	DogWomble Dollinger	paper? what's that?
	Mags Indigo	it's a total naff thing
	Lexie	Registration date display is related to the fact that most accounts were moved over from the old Jive system. This may be causing a problem with turning off that display. I will review it with Raymond Linden next week.
13:04		If we can turn it off..we will!
		㋡
	Qie	yay!
	Mags Indigo	cool ta for that
	Venus Petrov	or use the rez date if you need a date, perhaps?
	Peewee Musytari	noo I look old then
	Darrius Gothly	Aww .. I wanna be an oldbie. Can he put like 1-1-1978 in there for me?
	Peewee Musytari	lol
	COCOON	rez date is better ^^
	Lexie	That would be ideal Venus but might be hard to do
	Mags Indigo	yes - much more 'real' than some strange non-date
	Venus Petrov	hehe
	Veleda Lorakeet	grins
	Lexie	ohh and:
	DogWomble Dollinger	hi jeremy, i hope i didn't steal your seat
	Liisa Runo	votes for rez-date
13:05	Lexie	Also, html settings will be updated to allow user tags such as tables and headings. This will help with localizing and kb contributors.
		That you will see next week too
	Mags Indigo	smiles as though she understands that :-)
	Marianne McCann	cool
	Darrius Gothly	Heading tags too? <h1>, <h2>, etc?
	Lexie	right Darrius
13:06	Darrius Gothly	Tyvm!
	Peewee Musytari	heya jeremy
	Darrius Gothly	votes for rez date too
	Lexie	Thats the update for now!
	Jeremy Linden	Someone's been sitting in my chair, and there he is!
	Amanda Linden	thanks lexie
	Catwise Yoshikawa	rez day would be better
	Peewee Musytari	wow it will look so professional in there hehe
	Mags Indigo	that's the agenda almost torn up
	Marianne McCann	Ya, i don;t think many wil disagree on rez date
	Lexie	haha
	Venus Petrov	humm
	Amanda Linden	ha
		ok, next is venus' reqeust for adult public forum.
	Venus Petrov	yes, again....
	Amanda Linden	unfortunately, i've confirmed on this end that we jus can't do that right now.
	Venus Petrov	and the backup plan?
		because....
	Amanda Linden	not until we get age verification (not on road map)
		at the moment anyway
13:07		the best solution is the private forum for adult.
		i've asked blondin to contact u venus.
	Darrius Gothly	That'll work.
	Venus Petrov	yes, that's fine ㋡
	Mags Indigo	kk
	Amanda Linden	that's where the business owners can discuss adult business in a private setting.
		and where we can make sure that everyone in there is adult verified.
	Venus Petrov	this was for residents
	Darrius Gothly	Well .. adult contributors .. not just business owners.
	Amanda Linden	sure, just ask blondin for access.
	Venus Petrov	unless you are suggesting they be added ?
	Amanda Linden	he's the owner of the adult community (on the linden side)
	Lord of Dee	Blondin specially selected people for that forum
13:08	Venus Petrov	ok, let me understand you
	Amanda Linden	no one can own a community, I know. :)
		so, that's the best we can do for now.
	Veleda Lorakeet	imagines him coming home.. how was yer day?
	Amanda Linden	same goes for LGBT community.
	Peewee Musytari	i asked for access and was put on a waiting list :(
	DogWomble Dollinger	i know what you mean amanda :
	Venus Petrov	residents can ask Blondin to be added to the adult community subforum?
	Lord of Dee	Not according to Blondin
	bob Iwashi	unless you're gung-ho-aloha, the sun flip flop worshipper amanda, then you can
	Amanda Linden	peewee, did you talk to blondin?
	Mags Indigo	he ignores me :(
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Marigold ^.^
	Mags Indigo	which is probably understandable
	Lord of Dee	I talked to Blondin
	Peewee Musytari	yeah u forwarded on my request amanda
	Marigold Devin	whispers belated his to Wilhiam, everyone
	Peewee Musytari	and blondin replied
13:09	Amanda Linden	i'll ping him to let you in.
	Peewee Musytari	cool ty
	Amanda Linden	if anyone has troubles there, let me know.
	Darrius Gothly	Can we do a Post about that forum in Community Feedback .. to let others now it exists and can be accessed with proper methods?
	Venus Petrov	residents can request to be added??
	Darrius Gothly	*know
	Venus Petrov	i want to be clear on this outcome please
	Lord of Dee	No Venus not really,. or that wasn't the intent of that forum anyway
	Mags Indigo	I've requested a few times
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Better make it PG post about adults, Darrius.
	Mags Indigo	:(
	Qie	FWIW, Blondin *should* be at an Events user group right after this, unless my calendar is messed up.
	Amanda Linden	not general consumers of adult content.
		but, adult b usiness owners/merchants.
	Darrius Gothly	*nods* @ Wil
13:10	Lord of Dee	It's large landowners and business
	Darrius Gothly	Oh ... hmm .. why not?
	Venus Petrov	well, can we as residents have a forum where access is granted the same way?
		this is what I have been asking for
	Amanda Linden	no, i'm sorry venus.
	Darrius Gothly	I agree with Venus.
	Amanda Linden	i realize that the decision is unpopular.
	Venus Petrov	why not, may i ask?
		open only to residents that ask.
	Lord of Dee	You don't want to go hijacking Blondin's forum
	Amanda Linden	but, this is a g forum and we just cannot host a public adult discussion on our forums.
		public forums
	Mags Indigo	unpopular is possibly a polite way of saying it
	Amanda Linden	i know.
13:11	Venus Petrov	it would not be public
	Darrius Gothly	It won't be public, it will be by admission only.
	Amanda Linden	and, i'm sensitive to your needs.
	Catwise Yoshikawa	but you could a add a private forum for adults
	Venus Petrov	open only to residents that ask for access
	Qie	there could be a *different* private forum created, but it would take overhead in manually checking age verification, I guess
	Amanda Linden	let me discuss with blondin.
	DogWomble Dollinger	well amanda, even if it's 'unpopular' at least it's something until the age verification thing finds a solution
	Venus Petrov	this is what i have been asking for, please.
	Mags Indigo	hi Marigold
	Venus Petrov	not a public forum
		on adult topics
	Mags Indigo	and Caitlin
	Darrius Gothly	Please do. At least it gives us a backroom to take topics that are too sensitive for general eyes.
	bob Iwashi	let ll hire a "social media networking noobie sex club forum integration manager!" to deal with it
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	^^
	Amanda Linden	keep in mind, that the community guideliens still apply even in private forums.
13:12		meaning, i think that you'll all get really frustrated not being able to discuss adult things as freely as you would like.
		no nudity, etc.
	Venus Petrov	that is fine, at least the topics can be more , adult
	Mags Indigo	yes - I can be polite and avoid rude words
	COCOON	I do hope the pictures posted too ^^
	Peewee Musytari	u can`t post nekkid? :((
	Darrius Gothly	e.g. Relationships and their intracacies.
	Lord of Dee	It's not a perving forum people are asking for Amanda!
	Mags Indigo	it's 'concepts' I think we'd like freedom over
	Amanda Linden	ok, but i think the frustration factno, i'm sorry.
		sorry, two thoughts in one.
		:)
	Qie	speak for yourself, Ciaran
13:13	Venus Petrov	yes, relationship issues, etc
	Darrius Gothly	LOL @ Qie
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	heh
	Amanda Linden	venus, let me take that back.
		i realize you've been asking for a while.
	Venus Petrov	so a non-public forum where we can gain access via request to a linden
		yes, like weeks lol
	Amanda Linden	a private forum may be solution, as long as the guidelines are followed.
	Venus Petrov	that is all we are asking for
	Amanda Linden	blondin would need to manage, so i need to ask him.
		ok, gotchya.
	Venus Petrov	some privacy ...laughs
	Amanda Linden	progress, right?
	Mags Indigo	is wondering will Venus begin to tantrum etc if she doesn't get what she wants soon
	Lexie	㋡
13:14	Venus Petrov	laughs no
	Mags Indigo	not that I'm thinking of anyone in particular
		or anything
	Darrius Gothly	And the mods are made aware that concepts not fit for public consumption are okay to post in there.
	Venus Petrov	at least not that you would notice
	Amanda Linden	no, your request has been totally reasonable.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no Mags .. that'susually somebody else doing that ^.^
	Amanda Linden	venus, answer next week. promise.
		cool?
	Mags Indigo	grins at Wil
	Venus Petrov	thank you, Amanda
	Amanda Linden	kk
	Dresden Ceriano	unless the answer is no
		lol
	Venus Petrov	shush Dres!
13:15	Peewee Musytari	lol
	Amanda Linden	now, interesting dconcept re: RIC.
	Venus Petrov	perish the thought
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	ah
	Venus Petrov	oh yes RIC
	Amanda Linden	i think that anyone can RIC any content on the forums/blogs.
	Lexie	yes
	Amanda Linden	not limited to those in the discussion. right lexie?
	Lexie	correct
	Venus Petrov	even ninja RIC? drive-by RIC?
		laughs
	Veleda Lorakeet	wonders what RIC is
	Amanda Linden	it doesn't happen too often actuall.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	so RIC is rife for abuse :(
	Amanda Linden	reports are really calming down.
	Darrius Gothly	Report Inappropriate Content
	Venus Petrov	that is good to hear
	Veleda Lorakeet	ah ok
13:16	Amanda Linden	yeah, no bans (assied from obvious spam) for two weeks now
	Peewee Musytari	wouldn`t u want to RIC spam without replying to it though?
	Marianne McCann	Reluctant Inner Core
	Venus Petrov	it just did not make sense to me that someone might RIC a post and not even have contributed to the topic
	Lexie	I think trying to have the system filter who has participated in a thread before they can ric, would be a drain on the overall platform. We have many residents.
	Amanda Linden	that's not how the system works...
	Dresden Ceriano	aren't there repercussions for RICing inappropriately?
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i noticed you don't get notified if being RIC'd against..
	Venus Petrov	well, my understanding is that a mod looks at each RIC
	Darrius Gothly	And just because you don't post .. doesn't mean you find the post "acceptable"
13:17	Amanda Linden	mods do.
	Lord of Dee	Surely people should be able to report without participating
	DogWomble Dollinger	well, i think there is a bit of room for allowing randoms to RIC
	Lexie	Its also not set up to work that way. We cannot flip a switch to make it happen.
	COCOON	today there was a spam post about whatever horse ranch as favorite destination ....... would be strange to post there first ......
	Marianne McCann	Venus. Could not one see, say, a post that is clearly over the line and RIC without having to reply on the discussion? Does that not lead to posts of "Imma report you!"
	Veleda Lorakeet	And what is a forum without lurkers really, should they be void of rights?
	DogWomble Dollinger	there's the 'obvious' cases where that should happen, alerting to spam e
	Venus Petrov	neigh
	COCOON	before it can be RIC'd
	Venus Petrov	laughs
	bob Iwashi	are teh mods lindens or scouts?
	Amanda Linden	guys, i need to step away for a few mins. have a blog post to push. stay tuned. be right back
	Marigold Devin	agrees with Darrius, you can disagree with the content of a thread/post without being part of it
	Lexie	Mods are Lindens bob
		not scouts
	bob Iwashi	hallelujah
	Peewee Musytari	yeah I agree, feeding a troll before reporting it seems odd to me
13:18	COCOON	lol peewee ^^
	bob Iwashi	some sense left in the world then
	Venus Petrov	snorts
	Darrius Gothly	I don't gotta step in dog pooh to object to it on the sidewalk. (just saying...)
	Lexie	hehe peewee
	Veleda Lorakeet	Indeed
	DogWomble Dollinger	darrius i promise it's not mine
	Dresden Ceriano	lies
		lol
	Darrius Gothly	*sniff sniff* Yuo sure??? heheheh
	Veleda Lorakeet	Does it look happy?
	Venus Petrov	ewwwww
13:19	Veleda Lorakeet	Than it might be from someone i know
	Darrius Gothly	Sorry .. we derailed you Amanda .. what about RIC's again?
	bob Iwashi	where's raymond linden today please lexie or jeremy?
	Lexie	She stepped away
	Amanda Linden	sorry--i need to step away for a sec.
	Rand	raymond is out today
	Amanda Linden	brb
	Venus Petrov	she said RIC early and often
	COCOON	he was fired?
	Darrius Gothly	LOL
	bob Iwashi	oh :( he promised us an update
	Liisa Runo	(Wildcat, your AO is missing anim 'VAtalk01_SL_v01' and spamming errors)
	Rand	no no
13:20		bob, on what specifically?
	Jeremy Linden	Heh. Raymond is out today, but he will be back. :-)
	COCOON	ah ^^
	Lexie	I can respond to the aganeda item about Answers and the naming of it.
		agenda*
	DogWomble Dollinger	deep voice: "i'll be back"
	COCOON	AO off ...
	bob Iwashi	on whether Support Lindens will hold a one off meeting to hear residents concerns over the scouts, and their lack of knowledge
	Peewee Musytari	ooh yus lexie
13:21	bob Iwashi	and to let us know why we can no longer make complaint tickets
		to make our concerns known
	Lexie	We are thinking about it, but it is not top of the list just yet. It would require lots of updates to things as well. Right now we are looking more at UI issues.
		But, name change is still on the table and I do think it makes sense
	Peewee Musytari	kk so its on the long term list?
	Darrius Gothly	TY
	Lexie	yes
	Peewee Musytari	kewl ty
13:22	Rand	Bob: I do know that he raised the issue of UG with the support team, but I don't know what the result was..
	Lexie	Also the Answers updates:
		oh I can answer that Bob
	Peewee Musytari	we are getting all our wish list Lexie? :D
	Qie	ninja-edits the agenda
	Lexie	Re: Support User Group - There is none planned at this time. But, there are some changes happening in support so we will keep the request on the radar and let you know if we have any news.
	Marianne McCann	wonders if we're on a set agenda today
13:23	Veleda Lorakeet	oi
		LOL
	Lexie	So, that is a "maybe later"
		㋡
	DogWomble Dollinger	Marianne: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group :D
	Darrius Gothly	puts more icing on the Support UG "suggestion cake" ...
	Amanda Linden	ok, back
	Marianne McCann	smiles
		THaanks, Dog. It felt a bit scattered, so I wanted t'make sure
	DogWomble Dollinger	wb amanda
	Peewee Musytari	wb
	Veleda Lorakeet	wb
	Mags Indigo	wb
	Amanda Linden	thanks. just put up a blog post on the new sl viewer beta.
	Marianne McCann	Welcome back!
	Amanda Linden	oh, and did i mention enhanced avatar phyics?
	Darrius Gothly	Shame on you .. working during a meeting. LOL
	Amanda Linden	yes, bouncy.
13:24	Lexie	lol
	Amanda Linden	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/Introducing-the-Updated-SL-Viewer-Beta-with-Enhanced-Avatar/ba-p/803711
		(just an fyi.)
	Peewee Musytari	lol
	DogWomble Dollinger	you mean bouncy is coming to the main viewer?
	Amanda Linden	yep. it' is.
	Veleda Lorakeet	Ah that was the one that just downloaded Manada?
		ehmAmanda
	Amanda Linden	it was updated 5 mins ago.
	Marianne McCann	I hope to one day see those. If v2.3 and above would stop, you know, lockign up on Macs.
	Veleda Lorakeet	Yes just got it
	Peewee Musytari	just don`t mention it on the forums lol
	Amanda Linden	yep, that's the new beta.
	DogWomble Dollinger	ok, i can see a new round of immature minded people having fun with that amanda :)
	Venus Petrov	lol Peewee
	Amanda Linden	well, it should be a crowd pleaser.
13:25		:)
		ok, back to our meeting sorry.
	Venus Petrov	i think 'bounce' is an acceptable word..just bleep the body bits
	Darrius Gothly	<-- member of the immature and gleefully so crowd
	Dee	which crowd?
	Amanda Linden	where were we?
	DogWomble Dollinger	touche amanda
	Lord of Dee	You really need to fix visibility for your blog posts
	Mags Indigo	hmmm not too interested in 'physics'
	Amanda Linden	lexie, i tried to make it featured...
	Wilhiam Hydraconis
	Mags Indigo	at my age everything moves too much in rl
	Amanda Linden	oh well. technology/then featured.
	Peewee Musytari	lexie was about to make answers better :)
	Darrius Gothly	LOL @ Mags
	Amanda Linden	ok, carry on.
	Veleda Lorakeet	but we figured that you would be much more interested in avatars bouncing and jiggling :-)))
	Mags Indigo	I like things staying right where I put them here
	Marianne McCann	It's a fine feature I'll never have a use for. But I'm sure it's gonna be a hit
13:26		grins
	Lexie	Ok, Answers improvements:
	Veleda Lorakeet	Sorry about that :-)
	Lexie	I know the layout is causing frustration
	Peewee Musytari	nods
	Lexie	It seems to center around the comments portion
	Marigold Devin	It really is
	Catwise Yoshikawa	is a nice feture for machimina :p
	Darrius Gothly	*nods* @ Lexie
	Dresden Ceriano	i don't get it at all
	Liisa Runo	from the web page: "Since the physics are controlled by a wearable object, you have the ability to easily customize and personalize your settings just as if you were editing any other clothing item. So whether you want lots of movement, or only a bit, you can adjust your settings and they will apply only to your avatar’s targeted body part. "
	Peewee Musytari	very much so lexie
	Lexie	So, I think there may be 2 possible options.
13:27		One, have all comments expanded by default so it all flows better, ..
	Dee	yes
	Darrius Gothly	(blech)
	Lexie	Or 2: See if we can disable that comment feature
	Darrius Gothly	Turn it into the Forum Thread style presentation?
	Lord of Dee	There's a distinct lack of consistency with Answers
13:28	Lexie	I am checking on both options to see if either is something we can actually implement
	Peewee Musytari	there are other subforums that have the ability to mark correct answers and give kudos, but they are like normal forums...can it not just be made into one like that?
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	agrees . Make Answers like normal forum where commenting is concerned
	Lexie	I don't have the answers yet but Im with you on trying to change it!
	Darrius Gothly	TY Lexie
	Dresden Ceriano	great
	Marigold Devin	Normal - more consistent. Especially for the newer residents who come along, its so confusing currently.
13:29	Lexie	Peewee Accepted solutions is part of answers. I think we want to keep that and it ties into the Answers style pages better than in the general forum layout
	Peewee Musytari	you can`t even mark a comment as the correct answer when it is, so its defeating the purpose of that aspect too
	Venus Petrov	you could even take away the kudos if you made it more 'regular forum-like'
	Lord of Dee	and can you make view all stay open? I click view all to see further questions and then when I go back to answers it's closed again
	Lexie	hmm, I can check Lord of Dee
13:30		agreed on the comment cannot be an "answer" peewee
	Lord of Dee	Thanks Lexie
	Lexie	That is a bit confusing
	Darrius Gothly	There is some debate about what affect Kudos have on Rank. Can you confirm that Kudos do indeed figure into someone gaining (or losing) Rank?
13:31	Lexie	They do, but are just one part of the formula
	Peewee Musytari	u can lose rank? eeps
	Mags Indigo	is doomed to never be ranked
	Darrius Gothly	Can you publish that formula please?
	Marigold Devin	I don't care about rank
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	oh.. no more Kudos for me please , everyone ;P :)
	Lexie	Yes, I see some "experimenting" with that by Residents on the forum
	Venus Petrov	lol Wil
	Darrius Gothly	LOL @ experiments
	Mags Indigo	:-)
	Peewee Musytari	lol
	Lexie	㋡
13:32	Dee	some:)
	Marigold Devin	But I will probably kudos peewee to the hilt because she is fabulous - and how that remark will put the cat among the pigeons I am sure
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	..
	Amanda Linden	rand/jeremy do you have any updates for us re: KB?
	Peewee Musytari	Aah!
		too many koodies
	Wilhiam Hydraconis
	Rand	Yes, some minor things re: the KB
	COCOON	lol
	Darrius Gothly	Right now, because Rank formula is so hidden .. I think folks get the wrong idea about what it means. If we know how it's calculated, it would help us understand its meaning better.
13:33	Jeremy Linden	is currently working on getting the existing KB articles up to date and into a consistent writing style. Slow but sure. :-)
	Rand	We've added the ability for KB articles edited by Resident contributors to use images from the wiki.
	Venus Petrov	yes, a bit of transparency would be helpful
	Peewee Musytari	seems to be a combo of solutions and koodies from what I`ve seen
	Lexie	Darrius, if we put the formula out there, it is more likely to be gamed. Don't you think?
	Rand	Since most of the current KB articles were migrated from wiki, the images stayed there, so this enables contributors to edit those articles without any issue
13:34	Torben	but we could game it on a way better level Lexie ;)
	Darrius Gothly	No .. people will game no matter what. They're already doing it by experimenting. The desire to anti-game just hides the truth rather than deters the gamers.
	Peewee Musytari	heya rand...didn`t see u come in
	Marigold Devin	Not at all, Lexie. If anything is going to be gamed, its going to be gamed regardless.
	Amanda Linden	rand, hold on a sec.
		guess the kudos discussion wasn't finished. :)
	Rand	And as Lexie said, we're about to get the issue with prohibited HTML tags fixed (eg. <h1> <h2> <table> etc)
		oop sorry
	Dee	we at least can all game from the same start point
	Qie	just change the formula; every other week multiply by -1
13:35	Venus Petrov	laughs
	Darrius Gothly	Evil Qie .. very very evil! LOL
	Peewee Musytari	oh my lord
	Veleda Lorakeet	coughs and slips away waving a bit with some extremity
	Peewee Musytari	can u imagine the posts
	Darrius Gothly	agrees with Dee ... puts us all on equal footing
	Lexie	I think knowing the contributing parts of the formula, as is stated on the Help info..should be enough.
	Dee	ty Darrius :)
13:36	Mags Indigo	I might have to start being 'nice'
		yuk
	Lexie	Besides, you all dont care about ranks anyway right? *wink*
	Darrius Gothly	LOL
	Lexie	㋡
	Wilhiam Hydraconis
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	I dont, but I think that was obvious :)
	Lord of Dee	Yes Lexie, I'd rather mute them
		:p
	Mags Indigo	I'd like the rank of 'honoured crone' please
	Darrius Gothly	It's more that people not deeply immersed in Forum Culture see the Ranks as meaning "That there is a good person .. cuz they haz rank."
	Marigold Devin	Remove my rank and kudos, Lexie and watch. You'll get the same input from me, regardless, for whatever that's worth.
	Dee	kill hudo's Tshirts would they sell?
13:37		Kudos
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	well said, Marigold .. applies to me as well
	Peewee Musytari	so long as ranks don`t stop people doing what they want to do on the forums I`m not sure what diff it makes whats ranks we have tbh
	Marigold Devin	It's misleading. Some people really don't seem to deserve their rank, it takes the michael out of those who do.
	Marianne McCann	has managed to maintain her "honored whatever" rank regardless of current paeticipation, and is fine with this
13:38	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Ranking should be dropped.
	Mags Indigo	doesn't care what rank she has
	Marigold Devin	And Marianne, you have a special place on the forums as far as a lot of us are concerned.
	Lord of Dee	It's when someone turns up in a forum where they have less knowledge that it potentially becomes an issue, there are folk in the scripting and building forums who are very knowledgeable in those areas
	Wilhiam Hydraconis
	Dee	yes Wil yes
	Darrius Gothly	I'm quite happy with my orange bowling pin too .. but I'm thinking of the perception of others new to the Forums or just not deeply involved in the community.
	Venus Petrov	doesn't care what rank Mags has either ㋡
	Amanda Linden	let's save ther est of the ranks/kudos convo for when raymond is back next week.
	Mags Indigo	considers frowning at Venus
	Marigold Devin	The poor sods who come looking for help won't even notice the ranking system. They just want help, from wherever they can get it.
	Amanda Linden	he should hear this...
	Darrius Gothly	*nods*
13:39	Dee	difference between HR and Member is you can add tags right
	Peewee Musytari	i don`t think anyone new to the forums would know which rank was higher without looking up...the titles are very vague
	Lord of Dee	I think finding their way back to their question is more of an issue for them Marigold
	Marigold Devin	Make sure Raymond reads this transcript, then please.
	Lexie	Yes Peewee
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	true, ciaran
	Amanda Linden	will do. for sure.
	Marigold Devin	Yes, ciaran, quite so. Its very hard for them to find their way back. I've taken to going into world to locate people I've attempted to help.
		They all say its too complicated, the forum, as it is.
	Venus Petrov	besides many have fixed their badges so that rank does not show unless one runs the mouse over it
13:40	Marigold Devin	And that would certainly seem to be true, because there are less people returning to the threads they have started, than on the old system
	Dee	or a car Venus
	Darrius Gothly	Someone IM'd me with a question 3 weeks ago. I replied in 10 minutes. That reply is still awaiting their return. LOL
	Venus Petrov	laughs Dee
	Dee	hehe
	Venus Petrov	semi
	Marigold Devin	Exactly, Darrius, often happens
	Peewee Musytari	i get PMs instead of people replying on their posts
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	yeah or IM
	Lexie	New Residents do forget to mark what answer helped them. But it doesnt mean they are not seeing it.
13:41	Marigold Devin	Yes, Peewee, I imagine you get a screenfull when you log in now.
		As I did when ghost hunting
	Peewee Musytari	yeah way more are gabbing me in world too
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	/memakes note to PM Peewee with questions...
	Lord of Dee	Agreed Lexie but they could do with a hand about navigation
	Peewee Musytari	lololol
	Venus Petrov	laughs
	DogWomble Dollinger	mari, do we need to start a GhostBusters group in world? :)
	Marigold Devin	And Peewee, if you're happy with that, then great, if you can help, then wonderful, but you don't work for LL
	Dee	often Catlin
	Marigold Devin	DogWomble, no, the ghosting issue is fixed - for now. I believe
	Peewee Musytari	i know venus does too lol...some the same people
	Marianne McCann	Hmn?
	Marigold Devin	Or point me to the nearest ghosts you know of
	Marianne McCann	Oh, other Mari
13:42	DogWomble Dollinger	:)
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	oh ghosts go to Mari!
	Venus Petrov	hehe yes Peewee
	Marigold Devin	You're Mari, Marianne - you're older than me ;-)))
	bob Iwashi	no it isn;t fixed
	Darrius Gothly	too mani maris
	Lord of Dee	There's only one Mari!
	bob Iwashi	beleive me
	Marianne McCann	:-PRand Linden
	bob Iwashi	none of them had a clue
	Kraptacular Kat	marigold is MGD
	bob Iwashi	i spent 45 minutes in live herlp and wound up talking to 3 diff scouts when i were ghosted recently
	Darrius Gothly	Did we draw a line around RICs Amanda? Or is that topic still open today?
	bob Iwashi	none of them had a clue
13:43	Peewee Musytari	any progress on "bumping" threads or did I miss that update lexie?
	Marigold Devin	Yes, BB :-))))
	bob Iwashi	abd all i was asking for a wasd a region restart
		th scouts has no idea what "stuck presence" even meant!
	Marigold Devin	gives bob all my sympathy - its hit and miss with the scouts for sure.
	Lexie	No progress on that one yet Peewee. It is on the list though
	Peewee Musytari	kk ty
	bob Iwashi	45 ruddy minutes!
	Amanda Linden	darrius--think we ended up that anyone (logged in) can report a RIC, but doesn't mean that it will be acted upon. will be evaluated tho.
	Marianne McCann	Bob, my fave is getitng told to contact the estate owner when it's a mainland sim that's stuck. </offtopic>
	Darrius Gothly	k .. ty
	bob Iwashi	before that dude last year cut all the lindens, you cou,ld get a region restart in 5 minutes!
13:44	Marigold Devin	But valid, Mari, because its all about the lack of communication and inconsistency in certain areas
	Venus Petrov	yes, that is what i heard
	Marigold Devin	I want consistency!
	Marianne McCann	nods
	Amanda Linden	consistency in what respect? do tell more.
	Catwise Yoshikawa	so there is no way a moderator could stay at night hours? guess lot of people are getting tired of the spammers
	Marigold Devin	In the Scouts being fully trained, ,in there being help for basic account holders
	bob Iwashi	how hard is it"hi i'm ghosted at my home on a mainladn sim, i'ver delted my cache manually tried the usual tips and trick can you restart the region please"
	Amanda Linden	cat--we're actually looking into the night owl mod.
	bob Iwashi	45 minutes and 3 scouts later
13:45	Amanda Linden	trying to get budget for the extra person.
		that's on my list.
	Marigold Devin	Oh, and the Wasted guy, it took 3 whole hours before he got removed from the forums on the morning I saw him take the mickey out of Oskar Linden's post. Oskar had to come in after I emailed him and get that sorted.
	bob Iwashi	afore soembody in concierge helped me out
	Catwise Yoshikawa	is morning time for europeans...maybe an european moderator? :p
	Darrius Gothly	Tell Rodvik we said it was okay to hire more people.
	Marigold Devin	How come we - the residents - are seeing the spammer before the moderator on the forums???
	Amanda Linden	yeah, wasted has been a real problem.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol Darrius
	Marianne McCann	I can adjust my sleep schedule Amanda... and I'd work cheap....
	Mags Indigo	how about ResMods with very limited powers?
	Marianne McCann	winks
	Darrius Gothly	<-- afk for a few .. brb
13:46	Amanda Linden	let's try to get a mod at night and then we'll work otu planned b's.
	COCOON	just add 2 extra moderators and the problem is solved, no?
	Amanda Linden	plan be's
		b's
		can't type.:(
	Marigold Devin	I don't think I am the only person who sees Wasted appear, submits an AR and then waits, and nothing happens for ages? When a mod should be there, also, refreshing the new threads page and zap him before he can get a-hold again
	Catwise Yoshikawa	you are not alone Marigold :p
	Venus Petrov	no, you 're not the only one
	Amanda Linden	yep, i hear ya. very frustrating.
	Marigold Devin	But Wasted isn't so bad - amusing really - but the eingee.com and other Linden Dollar spam ones are a risk to the newer residents.
		And that isn't giving out a very positive impression of LL from the start.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	nods.
	Amanda Linden	agreed.
13:47	Venus Petrov	Wasted is a spammer...a nuisance
	Marigold Devin	And I thought I'd have nothing to say at this meeting!
	Dee	god he is persistent
	Catwise Yoshikawa	yes, I read some residents having problems using that site...
	COCOON	if they get 1 resident buying from them, they win ^^
	Amanda Linden	we're continuing to hone the span filters.but, it's tough.
	Marigold Devin	Sorry, been bottling it all up
	bob Iwashi	hears you marigold
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	the LindenDollar spam is very disturbing
	Peewee Musytari	lol marigold
	Amanda Linden	keep reporting them.
	Lexie	We have cut off many of that eingee spammers methods and are working on more
	Marigold Devin	Spam filters? Good grief!
	Catwise Yoshikawa	he is a person with lot of free time :p
	Marigold Devin	What about moderators using their eyes and commonsense now and again???
	COCOON	it is an entrepreneur I think ->they never give up really!
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	he does the LL forum in the weekends and the 3rd party forums in the weekdays....
	Marigold Devin	These people, eingee and Wasted for example, have set times, set patterns, you can even almost set your watch by them
13:48	Mags Indigo	hands Marigold a cold beer
	Marigold Devin	takes the beer gratefully. Thank you Mags *slurp*
	Catwise Yoshikawa	marigold, there is not a moderatorat night...let's see what's ahppend when we have one ;--)
	Lexie	Used to Marigold. They are changing it up lately
	Mags Indigo	:-)
	Dee	oh he has a schedule cool:)
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	yah...
		predictable, really
	COCOON	can u guys at LL not offer a job @Lindenlabs for WASTED?
	Marigold Devin	Night for you, is 8am for me. Wasted is Spanish, 9am for him is midnight for SL time
13:49	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Wildcat ? ... you nuts ? ;P :O
	Marigold Devin	I am sure Wasted has some very valid points. And these are getting lost in the clutter of his spammy threads.
	COCOON	haha
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	I see wasted in the weekends, psamming, he is in my timezone (europe)
	Mags Indigo	most of the UK day in forums can be taken up by spam
	Marianne McCann	Wildcat - Supervisor in charge of gamping games?
	COCOON	in mine too
		lol Maianne
	Amanda Linden	ok, we're in the last 10 mins.
	Catwise Yoshikawa	nop, i'm spanish, I mean night for SL :p
	COCOON	Marianne*
	Amanda Linden	want to make srue we covered everything on the agenda.
		only thing that we didn't get to was the referral bonus question.
	Catwise Yoshikawa	I have to read all the spam when I wake up in the morning lol
	Marigold Devin	Meanwhile, the forum looks a mess and becomes even harder to navigate, and its very offputting for all, especially those who, frustrating, seeking help, on basic (but with payment on file) are unable to access any help through the "Support"
	Liisa Runo	i think offering a job to wasted is great idea, let him translate the signs to all 6000 languages
	Marianne McCann	Did we get to Qie's as well?
	Venus Petrov	yes that just came up today
	Darrius Gothly	back
	Amanda Linden	i know we have an internal referral bonus, but not sure about resi' bonus.
	Qie	Amanda, I ninja'd in another point at the end
	Amanda Linden	kk, refreshing
	COCOON	LOL LIISA
13:50	Venus Petrov	it's in the viewer..might want to fix that then
	Amanda Linden	don't think that we have one. but if you have a good candidate in mind, pass 'em along to us.
		we'll make sure recruiters see the resume.
	Arawn Graalrd	Referal Bonus for Users? I think got oe, jus afterthey were cancelled
	Venus Petrov	well, the viewer has something about referral bonus for residents
	Amanda Linden	ah, right.
		no, i don't think there is one.
	Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias	ow
	Amanda Linden	in fact, i know there isn't.
	Peewee Musytari	its on the email a snap window
	Marigold Devin	Used to be in 2007
13:51	Venus Petrov	oh might want to take that out then
	Amanda Linden	will look at that.
		and, land user group is the last question.
	Marigold Devin	quietly sips the beer
	Amanda Linden	no, there are no updates qie
	Qie	pouts silently
	Amanda Linden	no land user group planned for now (aside from large estate private gropu)
		group)
	Arawn Graalrd	e-mailing snapshots might refer to a referal bonus, but that would be viewer side
13:52	bob Iwashi	wishes nutbar was here to brighten up the meeting
	Marianne McCann	Definitely a do want, Qie, Marketplace is steamrollering over land, MO
		IMO*
	Amanda Linden	nutbar?
	bob Iwashi	adamburp
	Amanda Linden	;)
		ah
	bob Iwashi	the "one man band"
	Amanda Linden	:)
	DogWomble Dollinger	a rebel with a cause?
13:53	Amanda Linden	kk, any last things in the remaining mins?
	Torben	Referral Bonus: http://secondlife.com/corporate/affiliate/?lang=en-US
	Amanda Linden	ha, will look at that.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	yes Amanda .. RIC notification
		why don't you get notified when posts are pulled ?
	Lord of Dee	Jack's meetings were at one stage for concierge users, can't we at least have one of those back
13:54	Amanda Linden	no, i'm sorry lord. not in the plans rightnow.
		wilhiam, you're not notified when your posts get pulled?
		you should be.
	Marigold Devin	Wilhiam, you're getting posts pulled? ^^
	Amanda Linden	referral bonus program is still in place.
		just confirmed with lead
	Darrius Gothly	Well .. there ARE times when you know it's gonna get pulled. *grin*
	Marianne McCann	Commerce is all over the marketplace, and it's getting a lot of resources and time spent on it. Land is, well... getting visually nothing, IMO.
13:55	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i wasn't , Amanda .. post was just pulled
	Amanda Linden	i'll double confirm with mods that folks should be notified when their stuff is pulled. thanks for letting me know.
	Lord of Dee	Land is getting a very raw deal considering it's the core backbone of the business model of LL
	Marianne McCann	Would be nice t'see some sorta something
	Marigold Devin	Maybe your post was pulled because it was a reply to someone else's and there's got pulled, you got caught in the fallout?
	Darrius Gothly	When we get notified though, that counts against our "three strikes" .. right?
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	ok Amanda
	Amanda Linden	depends.
		sometimes yes. sometimes no.
		depends on the content.
13:56		sometimes it's just a friendly reminder.
	Venus Petrov	Amanda, so the resident referral bonus is still 'real'? is that what I heard you say?
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no Marigold .. not the ase
	Amanda Linden	yes, it's real.
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	case
	Darrius Gothly	The notifications sent differentiate which is which then?
	Amanda Linden	i just confirmed.
	Venus Petrov	thank you.
	Marigold Devin	Tell me later, Wilhiam ;-))
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	ok
	Amanda Linden	through the affiliate program.
		:)
	Mags Indigo	only within the first 30 days though?
	Amanda Linden	whatever is up on that wiki is up to date
	Dee	Amanda is there a life span on warnings?
	Amanda Linden	(not my program)
		we'll see. we're only a month in.
13:57		but, all warnings during the first week won't count towards your warning count.
	Darrius Gothly	suggests a life span of 30 minutes. *cheeky grin*
	Lexie	lol
	Mags Indigo	wonders if Amanda was a schoolteacher in her previous life
	Amanda Linden	i think if enough time goes by, the old ones won't count.
		not sure. we can talk about it together and make the right decision as a group. how does that sound?
	Dee	kk thats what I'm looking at
	Peewee Musytari	cos u will have so many newer ones?
	Amanda Linden	ha mags.
		in tech marketing my whole career.
	Darrius Gothly	Seriously though .. they should have a life span that's reasonable. With a large "Lifetime Max" too.
13:58	Dee	I look for one a year
	Mags Indigo	hmmm
13:59	Amanda Linden	well, let's revisit in a few months.
		i'm totally open.
	Darrius Gothly	TY
	Venus Petrov	I guess they might be considered similar to HR warnings in employee files.
	Marianne McCann	Gotta scoot.. Have fun, all!
	Torben	bye MAri
	Darrius Gothly	TC Marianne
	Amanda Linden	ok all. think that's abou tit.
	Marigold Devin	waves at Mari Number 1 ;-)
	Amanda Linden	bout it
	Dee	4 months wait was that out loud
	COCOON	tc Marianne
	Amanda Linden	thanks to everyone who attended today.
	Lexie	Thanks for coming today
	Amanda Linden	great session.
	Marianne McCann	wave at Other Mari
	Darrius Gothly	Amanda!! Watch your language! LOL
	Marianne McCann	Bye Bye!!
	Torben	bye all
	Amanda Linden	ha
	Lexie	Bye for now!
	Mags Indigo	thanks Linden people
	Venus Petrov	did i see 'tit'?
	DogWomble Dollinger	thanks lindens
	Venus Petrov	as in mouse?
	Catwise Yoshikawa	thanx
	Mags Indigo	see you all soon everyone
		:-)
	Peewee Musytari	modding and censoring can be entertaining sometimes too...like the person that asked if you can ***bleep*** someone in sl and got a load of replies saying no there is no chat censor lol
	COCOON	MOUSE WHERE????
	Marigold Devin	Thanks Amanda/Lexie all for listening, and for what has already been done for us
	Amanda Linden	hey, i just posted a blog post about jiggles.
	COCOON	O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
		☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
	Mags Indigo	be good or have fun
	Amanda Linden	;)
	Mags Indigo	whichever
14:00	COCOON	bye all ^^
	Amanda Linden	bye.
	Venus Petrov	laughs
	Tsaheylu	BYE BYE
	Peewee Musytari	bye alll good meeting
	Catwise Yoshikawa	bye
	Wilhiam Hydraconis	bye bye bye bye .. and bye ..and you .. bye .
	Amanda Linden	jeremy/rand, can you grab transcript?
	Venus Petrov	bye all
	Dee	byeeee
	Dresden Ceriano	bye everybody
	Rand	yes
	Darrius Gothly	will post one too .. like last week.
	Jeremy Linden	Working on it
	Marigold Devin	waves and poofs - BB see you at Oskar's later maybe - he's got the big cheese there I think
14:01	Rand	Bye!
	Jeremy Linden	Transcript! https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group/07-April-2011
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