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| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|today Rheta Shan agreed to present her winning design from Dusan Writer's contest to design a "newbie-friendly" version of the Second Life client.
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Simon Kline: hi Grant :))
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| Erica Linden:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yay
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  You: Hello hello
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| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Louise Later: LOL! Loove to have it
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Louise Later: It's 104 F here
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Simon Kline: you could nearly cook stuff outside at that temp
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Louise Later: I met another aussie--Denlee Wobbit, from univ. of S.A.
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Charlette Proto: Hi everyone
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Simon Kline: ahh yes I've heard of them :)
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Simon Kline: hi Charletty
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  You: hello Charlette
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Simon Kline: Charlette* (sorry!)
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Jacek Antonelli: Yarr, you beat me
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Charlette Proto: I'll be a bit slow today, cell phone connection
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  McCabe Maxsted: ahoy sideways people :)
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  You: hello Jacek and MCabe
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Dusan Writer: way ho forward person
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  McCabe Maxsted: hehe
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Simon Kline: hi guys
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  McCabe Maxsted: 1.21 has a fun bug where people appear rotated when seated :)
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Simon Kline: i haven't seen that bug yet... been lookin for it tho heh
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Simon Kline: why do i miss out on all the fun bugs
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|55]  McCabe Maxsted: aww
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Simon Kline grins
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  McCabe Maxsted: so how's everyone doing?
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Dusan Writer: trying to get that floaty california feeling mccabe
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Dusan Writer: do i look hippy like or silicon valleyish yet?
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Simon Kline: really good thanks.. friday morning here i'm off to work in 30 mins so excuse me when i dissapear ^^
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Charlette Proto: surviving sim restarts three times a day
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Charlette Proto: TPs not working etc
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  McCabe Maxsted: ack, that sucks simon
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  McCabe Maxsted: dusan: you need more alcohol ;)
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Dusan Writer: haha ... naw i'll pass on alcohol maybe take up surfing with a laptop instead
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Charlette Proto: drinks in SL have very little alcohol content
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|58] You: Hello Tinker
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| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Simon Kline: hehe McCabe I thught about using the excuse "I was at Benjamin Linden's office hour" but i don't think they'd understand
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| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|awesome!
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  McCabe Maxsted: haha
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| Dakota Schwade:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ah, I saw that.
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| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Srry, all, I’m on rather flaky connection — eveyrthing si still rezzing :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Tinker Toll: Hello everyone!
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| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We ahve been very excited about the contest and it has been great to see such interest
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| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oops..the flake has just poofed
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  McCabe Maxsted: ahoy tinker :)
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| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Mudflap the Mighty!
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|   
| Squirrel Wood:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|[15:06] Male AO *Shapes by Kira*: Could not find animation 'standing_13'.
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Charlette Proto: hey ther Tink
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| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oops AO problems here
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| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think Ben might be in meetings today, not sure if he will make it today
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Tinker Toll: :-D
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| Squirrel Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|please fix your ao by editing the configuration and removing the missing animations
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| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Grant has asked me to present my entry to Dusan Writer’s User interface Contest tonight. You can find that entry on my blog (http://rhetasworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/big-makeover.pdf) ; Dusan also has been an absolute sweetheart and turned my rather lame presentation before the judges into a cute Flash mock-up (http://www.dusanwriter.com/contests/ui_winner.html).
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Charlette Proto: Hey Tink
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| devon Lemon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi
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| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|just turn it off, we are talking noob again I yhink anyway
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Tinker Toll: hello
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| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I loved that mock up
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| devon Lemon:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi all
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Louise Later: :))
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| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
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| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Lag hell
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|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that is not a sim but your end I think
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Jacek Antonelli: Ahoy Malbers!
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| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe welcome to ben's office :)
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|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:09]  
|   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Office usability FAIL xD
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  You: Hello Malbers
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| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what inspired your approach, Rheta?
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| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Absolutely my end. Underpowered laptop, bad connection :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Malbers Linden: howdy all!
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|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So I’ll aplogise right away for anyfurther accidents :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  McCabe Maxsted: ahoy malbers :)
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| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 14:
| style="white-space:normal;"|My approach ?
| style="white-space:normal;"|59]  Charlette Proto: interestin, some of the laggy text goes out of order
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Malbers Linden: new dress, charlette?
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  You: hello Kippie
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Jacek Antonelli: Welcome to the wonderful world of packet loss, Charlette
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Charlette Proto: yep
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Kippie Friedkin: Hi Grant
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Jacek Antonelli: Hi Kippie :)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Kippie Friedkin: Hi Jacek :)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Charlette Proto: text is the drug of choice in SL
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Kippie Friedkin: And hello all :)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Simon Kline: cuz ur on your cell connection Charlette?
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  JayR Cela: yeah I was noticing laggy text chat earlier today
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Charlette Proto: yep not used to such crap
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|00]  Charlette Proto: but the sunshine is gret
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  McCabe Maxsted waves to kippie
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  Simon Kline: heheh i'll take sunshine anyday :))
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  Kippie Friedkin waves back at McCabe!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  JayR Cela: oh mello there McCabe / and hello to everyone else as well :_)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  McCabe Maxsted: maybe you shoudl be joining dusan on the coast ;)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  Charlette Proto: me too it's been a bad winter in Australia
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  Jacek Antonelli: Ahoy Benjamin!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|01]  McCabe Maxsted: hehe ahoy jayr. And ben! he arriveth!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  You: hello Ben!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Kippie Friedkin: Hi Ben
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Benjamin Linden: hi all!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Simon Kline: haha I'm in Australia too! (that's why i'm complaining) eh
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Charlette Proto: Hi Benj
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Simon Kline: hiya benjamin :D
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  JayR Cela: hi there Ben / long time no see :_)
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Benjamin Linden: how is everyone?
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Benjamin Linden: I know, I've missed you guys!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Louise Later: doing great!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  McCabe Maxsted: at, 3:01 even :) hehe
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  JayR Cela: me 2
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|02]  Simon Kline: aww we missed you more Ben heh
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: do you all remember all the discussions we had with Kippie about the new Landmarks features?
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  McCabe Maxsted: yupyup
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: well I'm running a build with those built in!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Kippie Friedkin remembers well
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Jacek Antonelli: Yeps!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  You: hello Squirrel
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  McCabe Maxsted: oooooooh
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Jacek Antonelli: Wow!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Squirrel Wood: Holla!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  McCabe Maxsted: that's awesome!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: we're working out the kinks now
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Jacek Antonelli: Hi Squirrel :D
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: so we can get it into first look
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Jacek Antonelli: And Garn!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Squirrel Wood: ¡ǝuoʎɹǝʌǝ 'sƃuıʇǝǝɹƃ
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Kippie Friedkin: yay!
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  JayR Cela: i missed it
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: but so far it's pretty promising
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Garn Conover: get what into FL>
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: back button
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  McCabe Maxsted can't wait to have a look at it
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: location bar
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|03]  Benjamin Linden: favorites menu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Benjamin Linden: the works!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  McCabe Maxsted: are there screenshots up anywhere?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  You: hello Garn
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Benjamin Linden: it's really quite handy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Jacek Antonelli: Yeah. Pics or it didn't happen. ;D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Garn Conover: allo
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Louise Later: Squirrel, how can you talk backwards?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Benjamin Linden: I haven't taken any screenshots yet
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Benjamin Linden: but it basically is the design that was posted to Pjira
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|04]  Garn Conover: hey Ben any idea if that flycam indicator patch is gonna be included in the new RC?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Squirrel Wood: /ao on
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Benjamin Linden: I haven't been tracking that Garn
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Benjamin Linden: do you have a link?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Charlette Proto: I have a time mashine, no pictures either
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Benjamin Linden: lol Charlette
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Garn Conover: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8341 i do believe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|05]  Malbers Linden: there has been internal chatter about that bug but i do not know where it stands
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|06]  Garn Conover: well im still on RC 14 lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|06]  Dusan Writer wants to laugh at Nidol's afro but is afraid
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|06]  Charlette Proto: bug at large don't make good avatars
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|06]  Charlette Proto: too small
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Benjamin Linden: checking status
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Louise Later: I am trying to make SL more accessible for people with visual disabilities
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Charlette Proto: OK we warmed up the fingers now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Malbers Linden: i saw your group title, Louise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Charlette Proto: nice try
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Malbers Linden: that's awesome
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Benjamin Linden: looks like it is being integrated
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|07]  Louise Later: I have some things to share with you
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Kippie Friedkin: Very cool
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Benjamin Linden: as of today
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Louise Later: Can I rex them out here?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Louise Later: rez
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Benjamin Linden: but I don't know which version it will go into
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  You: Hello Banker
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Garn Conover: umm watch Banker
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Jacek Antonelli: I'm interested to hear about these accessibility ideas
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|08]  Benjamin Linden: likewise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  McCabe Maxsted nods in agreement
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Entering god mode, level 150
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Benjamin Linden: wow a robotic dinosaur with a 'fro
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Benjamin Linden: I thought I'd seen it all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Benjamin Linden: :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Jacek Antonelli: hahaha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Louise Later: We have a guidedog and a mobility cane
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  McCabe Maxsted: can you turn on object creation for louise ben/
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|09]  Louise Later: Or maybe I can drop them into your inventory?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|10]  Malbers Linden: any of the Lindens should work
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|10]  Garn Conover: yikes full packet and bandwidth
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|10]  Malbers Linden: (or is it easier to let Louise rez them? Don't know?)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|11]  Malbers Linden: Lousie, maybe you can describe the problem and idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|11]  Benjamin Linden: I'm happy to rez something
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|11]  Malbers Linden: not sure how many people are familiar with A11Y issues
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|11]  Louise Later: It would be easier to rez them --that way people could pick up copies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|12]  Louise Later: We have guidedog and cane that deal with 2 the 3 main issues facing peoplel with visual disabilities in SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|12]  Charlette Proto: braile 3D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
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| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|13]  Charlette Proto: good idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|13]  Louise Later: 1. how to read things and 2. how to move to things
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|13]  Louise Later: But I am not sure how to interact with the "touch" menu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|13]  Charlette Proto: there are braile display devices
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|14]  Charlette Proto: touch screens that vibrate for haptic feedback
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|14]  Charlette Proto: how about making something that is more realistic for now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|14]  Louise Later: How is the touch event tiggered in the pie menu?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|14]  Charlette Proto: good question
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|14]  Charlette Proto: like the I pod
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|15]  Charlette Proto: useless
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|15]  Louise Later: I can get users right up to something--up they can not click on the pie menu to tigger it'
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|15]  Charlette Proto: the radial (pie) menu needs some work in my view
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|15]  McCabe Maxsted is curious how it works
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Charlette Proto: especially for those that can see it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Louise Later: I just gave Ben our current dog and cane
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Malbers Linden: ah! I see a guide dog
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Louise Later: Both are hightly beta--but both take the user to whatever is around them
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Benjamin Linden: I didn't get the cane Louise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  Charlette Proto: a guide dog would be great for blind vavigation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|16]  McCabe Maxsted: bah who made the tp home and chat history shortcuts so similar ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|17]  Louise Later: using radar
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|17]  Charlette Proto: bite griefers and everything
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|17]  Charlette Proto: positional acoustic feedback like bats use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|17]  Louise Later: Both work exactly the same--but some users prefer a cane over a dog and vice versa
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|17]  Charlette Proto: give them both
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Jacek Antonelli: Could Ben make it so we can take a copy? :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Charlette Proto: cane would be good if the dog misbehaves
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Louise Later: People who are blind want to use something like what they use in real life
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Louise Later: They should be completely free to copy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Charlette Proto: sure smell is a very powerfull sense
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|18]  Benjamin Linden: Louise, can you explain how they work?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Louise Later: There is a card in there or should be :))
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Benjamin Linden: I see the menu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Louise Later: But they work by radar
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Louise Later: you get to choose how far away and what to look for
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  McCabe Maxsted: are there a lot of people with disabilities in second life? I've seen a few videos of people using SL but don't know anything about the disabled community here. Would love to hear some thoughts on how they use the interface
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Benjamin Linden: oh is this effectively an AO?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  You: they tell the owner who and what is near by?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|19]  Louise Later: the most useful command is "/2 x"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|20]  Louise Later: it tells you immediately what is around you.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|20]  Benjamin Linden: how does it tell you?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|20]  Charlette Proto: is this a joke or are we trying to meet a legal obligation?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|20]  Louise Later: You can choose to be taken to the objects or people
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|21]  You: I don't think this is a joke, this could be helpful
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|21]  Louise Later: It reads into the chat history window, where a program called "EVA" voices it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|21]  Benjamin Linden: oh excellent
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|21]  Benjamin Linden: so it interfaces with a screen reader
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Louise Later: EVA is designed by Jarek Dejavu specifically to read aloud SL chat
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Kippie Friedkin: This isn't a joke at all. The disability community make up an evergrowing percentage of computer users.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Dusan Writer: that is such an amazing project
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Louise Later: And are the most heavy users of SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Simon Kline: wow very cool
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Dusan Writer: what an incredible initiative Louise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|22]  Benjamin Linden: where do you get eva?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Louise Later: We have an excellent SL dog maker (Enrico Gennosse) who will make the guide dogs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Jacek Antonelli: Very interesting. I was wondering if SL could work with screen readers (and if not, how we could make it)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Dusan Writer: i've also heard of a sign reader application
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  JayR Cela: i beleave Eva is an Open Source Linux / cross platform reader Ben
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Benjamin Linden: http://www.revver.com/video/500181/second-life-speech-tools-eva-voicechat-advancement-presentation/
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Kippie Friedkin: Awesome.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Malbers Linden: it's not clear there are hooks in the Viewer to interface with screen readers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Louise Later: Jarek Dejavu will distribute it free to people with disabilities.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|23]  Dusan Writer: interprets and signs for you, which is a separate thing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  You: yes, I was wondering if we need to include EVA in future requirements
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  Louise Later: It is designed specifically to read SL chat
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  Louise Later: We have tested it. It works fine.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  Charlette Proto: funny that all signage in SL is texture based that will be a nice challenge
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  Louise Later: I am using it now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|24]  Dusan Writer: Nice Louise this has been really useful to learn about, amazing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Charlette Proto: perhaps inworld text displays would be a good start
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Louise Later: We would like to get Braille inworld too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Louise Later: TX Oh is working on that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Charlette Proto: I mentioned braile before
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Benjamin Linden: Louise, is there a central clearing house on the web somewhere for people looking for info on accessibility issues in SL?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Dusan Writer: Louise is your work somehow being done in reference to accessibility standards acts at all?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|25]  Charlette Proto: I find lack of text a real design problem
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Malbers Linden: looking for landmark....
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Louise Later: Yes. Torley posted a Wiki for it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Charlette Proto: and internationalisation nightmare of textures
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Dusan Writer: much of government can't support SL-type platforms because of accessibility laws
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Kippie Friedkin: It's interesting to consider how things like Section 508 might end up applying to gov't agencies setting up shop in SL.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Malbers Linden: I've fond that the same infrastructure needed for I18N is a huge step forward for A11Y
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Dusan Writer: exactly Kippie
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]   
| 
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|for thos who just arrived, Rheta is presenting her winning contest design at (http://www.dusanwriter.com/contests/ui_winner.html).
| style="white-space:normal;"|26]  Louise Later: Yes, Kippie!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]   
| 
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|AO
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Malbers Linden: data abstraction
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Jacek Antonelli: It would be interesting if there were a way to embed text meta-data into textures and signs, similar to the alt="" attribute in HTML
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Dusan Writer: Is the Lab's new government outreach effort looking at this sort of thing?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Louise Later: THe advantage of our approach is that we are STARTing with programmers who are bllind
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Squirrel Wood: there is a description field for textures methinks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27] Louise Later: blind
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|  
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Malbers Linden: The place I've been to for A11Y discussions is the Heron Sanctuary
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Charlette Proto: 'Designing for Visibility' is a good book on inclusive objectives in design
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Kippie Friedkin: I used to do A11Y consulting, so I'm really excited about this stuff.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|27]  Louise Later: so that we are starting from how they want to access SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Jacek Antonelli: That is so cool, Louise :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Dusan Writer applauds
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Louise Later: THanks!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Squirrel Wood: yep. there is a description field for textures - its just not accessible in any way
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  You: does EVA work with UI elements like search results?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Jacek Antonelli: right, Squirrel :\
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|28]  Louise Later: Grant--only if they read into the chat window
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|29]  Benjamin Linden: does someone have a link to more info about EVA?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|29]  Louise Later: Check Jarek Dejavu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|29]  Charlette Proto: so no inworld text display for signage then
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| 
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Charlette Proto: or is that too obvious
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|When i started to think about the question Dusan put to us, i.e., how to create a viewer UI that would be more intuitive to new users than the current one is, I put the following question first : **what** do we interface with exactly.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Malbers Linden: different access issues
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The answer is : a world.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  McCabe Maxsted: was http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Accessibility the wiki you wee talkinga bout louise?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And the challenge is to give new entrants into this world both the tools to get to grips with it, and to sharpen their awareness of what they are interfacing with.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  You: does the cane perform the same function as the dog?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:11]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|SL web browser is just great uhg
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So muhc for the abstract part making me look as if I knew what i am talking about :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Malbers Linden: especially since that text is burned into a texture
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:11]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Basically, I have tried to turn my major handicap into a strength, viz. that i couldn’t code a line of software for the life of me.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Louise Later: Yes, McCabe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:12]   
| colspan="2"|''Grant Linden is in that camp as well''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Which means I could not think about what you can really *do* with the client in software term, and had to focus instead on what I *would like the software to do* in usage terms.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Jacek Antonelli: (Ideally, textures, or prim faces, would have a "text description" and "visual description". Text description would be the text that is displayed in the texture, if any; and visual description would be something like "tree bark" or "brick wall")
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:13] 
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the design is very elegant
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:14]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thank you.
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Charlette Proto: like MUDS
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:14]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's actually a rather refreshing way of approaching UI...not stifling creativity by focusing on the limitations on the technology-side.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:14]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or astuopid one, but the only one I could avail myself of :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|30]  Squirrel Wood: You see 'Object'
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:14]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have tried to keep in mind what the current client *can* do, though :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Charlette Proto: old enough to have played myself
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:15]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And I think you will find I do not propose anything that does not exist yet, feature wise.
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Louise Later: and as each object is rezzed, it has a default sound of "wood"--it would be nice to see that used more effectively
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:15]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is this a viewer for newbies only? I just can't see how the rest of the UI features would be accessed in that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The proposal is piecemal.
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Squirrel Wood: I guarantee that over 95% of all prims in SL are named "Object"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The entry itself outliens the areas I have no mockups for.
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Charlette Proto: yep
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|communication (chat, IM, and an inbox for off-line messages, group IMs etc., allowing for asynchronous reading)
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Jacek Antonelli: Hrmm. There are so many prims that people just leave called "Object". That limits the usefulness of a name scanner :(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|world browsers, basically entry points to what the world has to offer. From left to right : places (combines the places search with the map), events, people (combines people search and group search), marketplace (combines classifieds, search for objects on sale and land sales)
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Dusan Writer blushs as he peeks in his inventory and sees 16,000 Objects
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|personal browsers, basically your entry vector to the part of the world your avatar owns : looks (anything placed into outfit folders or in the body parts and clothing system folders), actions (animations, gestures, sounds, scripts), gallery (snapshots and textures, with visual browsing) and property (L$ balance including LindeX buy and sale and links to account history, land owned, objects)
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Benjamin Linden: I don't see EVA listed on this page
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17] 
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what UI features are you thinking of that may not be able to be addressed?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|for those who just arrived, Rheta is presenting her winning contest design at http://www.dusanwriter.com/contests/ui_winner.html .
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is this AO so important now???
| style="white-space:normal;"|31]  Benjamin Linden: someone should add it :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Also, teher would be more workbenches than the one shown
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Building. Terraforming. Appearance.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And I never got aroudn to touhc the main menu or preferences,
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|…which would not go away, of course.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Jacek Antonelli waves to @Malbers''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|32]  Louise Later: It uses the given name of the object
| [15:19] 
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello Malbers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
|   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ahoy malbers!
| style="white-space:normal;"|32]  Charlette Proto: that is object
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:19]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Malbers :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rheta is presenting her winning contest design at http://www.dusanwriter.com/contests/ui_winner.html .
| style="white-space:normal;"|32]  Louise Later: the cane and the dog use the given name in the General tab of the root prim
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:19]   
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|howdy all, sorry for being so late
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
|   
| Erica Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ribbit.
| style="white-space:normal;"|33]  Benjamin Linden: http://www.secondlifeprofessionals.com/en/?q=page/downloads
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:19]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Howdy :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
|   
| Dizzy Banjo:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|here i need to go, you can take my seat Malbers.. not that you need one.. lol
| style="white-space:normal;"|33]  Louise Later: good idea, Ben1
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye Dizzy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
|   
| Malbers Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks dizzy
| style="white-space:normal;"|33]  Benjamin Linden: that's the link to the folks who make EVA
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Bye, Dizzy :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no effort standing in SL haha
| style="white-space:normal;"|34]  Benjamin Linden: Louise, maybe you or someone in your group could update that wiki page
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Cya Dizzy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rheta, did you consider having workbenches slide out in a manner similiar to the way the bottom navigation slides up?
| style="white-space:normal;"|34]  Benjamin Linden: to include links to your projects
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]   
| Dizzy Banjo:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bai ! great design btw Rheta, congrats :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ta a lot :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|34]  Benjamin Linden: and to EVA
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(Maybe ben should provide a tank for Malbers, as a regular?) :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
|   
| Malbers Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i have been looking around at aquariums...
| style="white-space:normal;"|34]  Louise Later: One of the insights gained from starting wth people who are blind is that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I second the tank
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
| style="white-space:normal;"|34]  Louise Later: they want to start item by item--not a whole field of input
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not a mentor friendly viewer..click on the icon that looks like..ummm...... but hopefully mentors would be needed less ...but personally I have issues with icons only navigation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:22] 
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but that's pure personal pref
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|tooltips?
| style="white-space:normal;"|35]  Jacek Antonelli: Can you explain that? I don't understand what you mean
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:22]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I am great fan of hints and help texts, but there was n o ime to outline thhat.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you are kidding a newbie would have to hover over everything all the time
| style="white-space:normal;"|35]  Malbers Linden: it is interesting to htink about UI design from the abstract POV of the functionality withOUT the visuaization of it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:22]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One could also consider optionally captioning the cions, whica dvance users would be able to disable then.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I wnt to school
| style="white-space:normal;"|35]  Louise Later: We will Ben! But we felt that we need to overcome the "pie menu" access
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|went
| style="white-space:normal;"|35]  Benjamin Linden: that is an interesting problem Louise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|designing a new set of icons with tooltips is quite a task
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Aimee Trescothick shrugs, just like most applications then :D''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|35]  Louise Later: before we --uh--lead people on. :)
| [15:23]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Exactly.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Aimee Trescothick agrees with Rheta''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|36]  Louise Later: or invite them inworld when they can't interact with objects
| [15:23] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Keep in mind this is bits and pieces, please.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that is always a battle symbol based icons vs text labelled ones...
| style="white-space:normal;"|36]  Jacek Antonelli: yeah :(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|icons are just not enough
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have designed most of this in two nights.
| style="white-space:normal;"|36]  Louise Later: except to get their manes and get TO them
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no way find me a theory that would support that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|AO PLEASE
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Aimee Trescothick nods, generally optional text is a good thing''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|36]  Charlette Proto: did you just wake up to that Loise
| [15:24] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And toolbar options simply were beyond the scope of what I had time to do.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some users would have setting that used Icons only and others could choose text only or text and icons
| style="white-space:normal;"|37]  Jacek Antonelli: I think the viewer would need a hook so that you could say "touch mailbox" and it would send a touch event to the object called mailbox
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24] 
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Icons need to be logical metaphors and recognizable.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Iconic
| style="white-space:normal;"|37]  Malbers Linden: Jacek, blind people build incredibly complex mental models of the functionality of an application
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24]   
| Dakota Schwade:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And tool tips could be language localized easily, yes?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But as I said, captioning permanently, as in Cocoa toolbars, would be a godow ay to solve this.
| style="white-space:normal;"|37]  Malbers Linden: giving them that information in digestible chunks is helpful
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that would be perfect Grant
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:25]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Exactly, Grant.
| style="white-space:normal;"|37]  Malbers Linden: so, field at a time instead of big blobs of data
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:25]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, Cocoa is what I had in mind
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:25]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Nothing of what i propose is set in stone. especially not the aesthetic element.
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  Jacek Antonelli: Aha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:26]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You will ahve noticed the icons are in fact dingbat smybols
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  Jacek Antonelli: thanks, Malbers. Now I get it :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:26]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:26]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is simply due to me having neither the time nor the talent required to design real icons
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  Malbers Linden: and if you ever need to know esoteric keyboard shortcuts, blind folks know them all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:26]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I thought the treatment of the "walking" and "flying" indicators was interesting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:26]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thank you, Grant.
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  Jacek Antonelli: hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:27] 
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|our movement UI is not terribly well thought out
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:27]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|users who are not gamers often find this a challenge
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:27]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I agree
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  McCabe Maxsted: good to know :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:27] 
| colspan="2"|''Geneko Nemeth doubt if even gamers would find this initutive.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:28]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have no gaming background myself, and still fail at moving at tiems after over a year in SL.
| style="white-space:normal;"|38]  Louise Later: Most people who are blind do have a sighted helpler inworld--who could "click" on things or take them places with the help of the dog and cane. Whe have done that very effectively.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:28] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|???
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:28]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|huh???
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  Louise Later: We also have created .wav files tiggered by senso r to read signs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:29]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What I mean is that if you do not excercise this skill in 3D games, the whole thing never gets very intuitive, even after a time.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:29] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|At least to dorks like me, which are a growing part of the SL poulation :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:29]  
|   
| Dakota Schwade:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We're "pragmatists" -- the big guy said so.
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  Charlette Proto: reat texture?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:30]   
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|evan at that, few games have so many degrees of control for both avatar AND camera movement independently
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:30]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if "dorks" means non technical and non gmaers, then yes that is our growing user base
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  Louise Later: but how to get that "click" wouldl be nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:30] 
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan smiles''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:30]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Only talking of me :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:30]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Gabby Panacek cops to being a dork :D''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  You: If the seeing eye dog could tell what objects in the room held interactions and could trigger them - like "discoverable objects" that might make the pie menu less of a hurdle
| [15:30] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|…and Gabby :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:30] 
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan giggles''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:31]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry but I know many housewives ets who have no trouble moving at all
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  Louise Later: Exactly Grant
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:31]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Of course there are.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:31]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|this is perhaps an exageration of the problem
| style="white-space:normal;"|39]  Malbers Linden: have to allow a programmatic way to inspect objects for their triggers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:31]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nothing simpler that using arrow keys???
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Malbers Linden: nad present those trigger in plain language
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:31]   
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it can be learned but many future possible residents won't have that level of determination
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:32]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don’t propose changing that.
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Jacek Antonelli: Yes. Both to inspect and to interact
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:32]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Arrow keys are fine.
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Louise Later: Right Malbers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:32]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, many Korean / Japanese games are click to walk...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:32]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|has anyone checked the "other" virtual world - twincrappy - I found their approach by far worse
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Dusan Writer apologizes as he poofs, cu all RL calls
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Personally, I think both should be possible.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|precisely
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  You: yes, rather than the traditional "tabbed UI" one could provide readable triggers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|"Twincrappy"?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Twinity
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Malbers Linden has done this kind of work previously
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Clikc « go here » and move with arrow keys.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I remember that I was most challenged when I had to follow a person in SL - having to "steer" myself and watch someone else took some learning the first week
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Malbers Linden: bye dusan
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah..I'm on Twinity
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Gabby Panacek chuckles''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Jacek Antonelli: The data is there -- if you mouse over an object, the tooltip tells you what triggers it has
| [15:33] 
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|click to walk is interesting -- moving it to flying and camera control is hard
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan nods''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Malbers Linden: but need the programmatic hook
| [15:33] 
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But it's way harder to navigate there than it is in SL.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|exactly
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Jacek Antonelli: Right
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan nods''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
|   
| Malbers Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|already so many damn modifier keys
| style="white-space:normal;"|40]  Louise Later: Malbers--you have done this?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A follow function would be useful.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|point to poin navigation may be of some practical use but tht is an extra feature yet to be added to the interface
| style="white-space:normal;"|41]  Malbers Linden: in a previous life, as a UI designer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yay party!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But I don’t advocate deprecating arrow movement.
| style="white-space:normal;"|41]  Charlette Proto: hierarchical (borring) organisation is best in these kind of situations (reading)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a follow function that allowed for trees :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
|   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|/no.
| style="white-space:normal;"|41]  Louise Later: And the script is waiting to be triggered. How do we access that?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(would like to hear what you think of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-375 grant)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
| style="white-space:normal;"|41]  Malbers Linden: heirarchies are easy to navigate -- esp w/ arrows instead of mouse
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nooo follow function...I gots enuf stalkers already
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35] 
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan smiles''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|41]  Charlette Proto: yep
| [15:35]   
| colspan="2"|''Malbers Linden thinks McCabes entire brain is embedded in JIRA -- in a good way''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|follow avatar ONLY if orbiting gets allowed
| style="white-space:normal;"|42]  Malbers Linden: Louise, not sure for SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan grins''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|42]  Malbers Linden: did this on another GUI toolkit
| [15:35] 
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|invite to follow?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think it would be handy, but I hcan just hear someone telling me how impossible it would be to code
| style="white-space:normal;"|42]  Benjamin Linden: do current scripting tools allow objects to see if other objects have touch actions, etc?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]   
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like invite to teleport
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yup
| style="white-space:normal;"|42]  Jacek Antonelli: No, Ben :(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
|   
| Malbers Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmmmmm... invite to follow
| style="white-space:normal;"|42]  Louise Later: Anyone is welcome to join our Guidedog/cane developemnt team!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that's acceptable
| style="white-space:normal;"|43]  Jacek Antonelli: Somewhat related topic: maybe objects need a flag to say that it is an "important" object. So blind users don't have to listen to the name of every single object around them to find the interesting stuff
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but hardly important
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
|   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
| style="white-space:normal;"|43]  Squirrel Wood: ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Which is why I didn’t propose anything along that lines.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|consider having to decline the idiots that would do it for a joke though
| style="white-space:normal;"|43]  Malbers Linden: but the guide dogs ight need that info to avoid these objects during walking/flying
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|There are no new functions in my proposal.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Just a restructuring of the existing ones.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I hope we haven't shelved the ideas of the franken-viewer yet - some of the ideas about inventory management are really desirable
| style="white-space:normal;"|43]  Benjamin Linden: heh wow squirrel, that's pretty realistic!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I agree.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the user being followed should not be involved this way but rather invite the other to follw!!!!!!
| style="white-space:normal;"|44]  Squirrel Wood: yep
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|20 people and invite them all to follow could be fun
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|follow
| style="white-space:normal;"|44]  Louise Later: We were thinking of a "Braille" tag or an Audio Description logo
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| colspan="2"|''Grant Linden ponders lemmings''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|especially if the last follows the first
| style="white-space:normal;"|44]  Malbers Linden: perhaps just different API calls
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan giggles''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|44]  Jacek Antonelli: Of course, Malbers. The information about all the objects would be there, so it could navigate. But also have the flag there so that different apps (i.e. the screen reader) could filter things out
| [15:37] 
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sheep
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Malbers Linden: personal bias -- i'd rather not put in things that are "just" for A11Y
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|instant group hug
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|great
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Malbers Linden: Developers will rarely fill in these fields
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]   
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|pied piper
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:38]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|love the hug
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Jacek Antonelli: Yeah :(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:38] 
| colspan="2"|''Gabby Panacek hands Aimee a flute''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:38]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|did you see what I said about having to decline
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Charlette Proto: perhaps my inworld text is not such a stupid idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:38]   
| colspan="2"|''Aimee Trescothick giggles thank you, I do play the flute :D''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:38]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|consider the jokers trying to follow
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Jacek Antonelli: It could also influence the order that objects are rezzed? :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:39]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd be declining all day going by my experience
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Malbers Linden: will be seen as a Nice To Have
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:39]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what I like about your approach is the unobstrusiveness
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:39]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Kippie Friedkin: LIke fighting with webdevs to add alt tags
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:39]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as I said the leader has to invite not the other way around
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Squirrel Wood: people go the least effort way
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:39]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|read the comments, charlette, but that's off topic anyway
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:39]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I am just curious if the audience here thinks that two viewers - one for new people and one for advanced users sounds like a reasonable approach to the SL complexity challenge?
| style="white-space:normal;"|45]  Jacek Antonelli: Ugh, yeah Kippie
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Personally, I disagree.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|whae would you switch??
| style="white-space:normal;"|46]  Jacek Antonelli: *cough* SL's website is noncompliant *cough*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Not really.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when
| style="white-space:normal;"|46]  Kippie Friedkin: yes, very sad
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Perhaps a more modular Viewer if that is the direction thigns are heading..
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Exactyl, Charlette
| style="white-space:normal;"|46]  Malbers Linden: I usually try to argue that power users and A11Y concerns overlap a LOT
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that's the thing, when do you make the jump?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Pier Jaecies:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i agree modular
| style="white-space:normal;"|46]  You: yes, but for an educational or government region compliance would at least be possible
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a skin perhaps
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes...
| style="white-space:normal;"|46]  Malbers Linden: this usually motivates teh power users ~= developers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when building for example the priorities change dramatically
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Charlette Proto: so it is about regulations and compliance after all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and keeping the two in sync and not diverging could be a nightmare
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Pier Jaecies:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like choosing levels of difficulty for a game
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Jacek Antonelli: No, Charlette -- it's about serving people's needs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think there are too many things intertwined for it to be a realistic alternative
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or hide some functions as an option
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Malbers Linden: I've even seen a few kick ass QA tools built on top of A11Y APIs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]   
| colspan="2"|''Grant Linden loves asking questions like this''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Dakota Schwade:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A single viewer, with a different kind of "advanced" mode perhaps?
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Malbers Linden: it's all about programmatic access to information and functionality
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you need/want some stuff on your screen readily available
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ha
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Jacek Antonelli: Hear, hear.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I’m no great fan of that.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes
| style="white-space:normal;"|47]  Louise Later: Folk, a little known fact is that the keyboard itself was developed for a member of the British royal family who was blind and wanted to do his own correspondence. People who are blind are pro-tech, when they can afford it.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hiding.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|two modes
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  You: interesting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The office menus are a nightmare.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|same viewer two modes?
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Malbers Linden: and ballpoint pens
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|two or three or customizable
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|creatind and exploring modes
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Charlette Proto: not saying any more, sorry for my 5 cents worth
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there are so many different uses of SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes.
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Benjamin Linden: Louise, does your group work with Heron Sanctuary?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A more modular approach would be good -- instead of just having "simple" and "advanced" as one option affecting the whole viewer, have each part have two modes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Dakota Schwade:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Like Advanced mode, but it makes more complex things appear it desired.
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Malbers Linden: the A11Y field in incredibly interesting but not widely nderstood
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But any mode emans many users will never discover all their options.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Pier Jaecies:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|business people are doing different things than gamers and social neetworkers
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Louise Later: If we welcome them in, they will be able to do a lot!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I wouldn't go for task orientated modes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|just two really building and exploring
| style="white-space:normal;"|48]  Louise Later: Yes we are working with VAIsland
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:42]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I still really like the Eclipse-like approach
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:42]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I switch too fast and do many simultaneously
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Louise Later: Virtual Abiltiy Isand
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:42]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|personally, I would liek to be able to save the menus I use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:42]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd rather advocate offering customisation — let people tailor the viewer to their needs once they understand what tehy are doing.
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Benjamin Linden: great
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:42]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:42]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|program a toolbar
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Benjamin Linden: ok folks I have to duck out a little early today
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yep...just like with Eclipse.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and spell check would be in there
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Benjamin Linden: but feel free to keep conversing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like setting up workspaces in photoshop etc. too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You could even customize views based on the activities you are involved in.
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Benjamin Linden: thanks for a great chat!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Gabby Panacek:
| style="white-space:normal;"|agrees
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But offer a set of logical and extensive defaults.
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  Jacek Antonelli: Take care Ben!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Erica Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and a pony.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan laughs''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  JayR Cela: thanks for the meeting Ben
| [15:43]   
| colspan="2"|''Jacek Antonelli wants a pony too!''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how about the paper clip then
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  You: good bye, Ben
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and a button "check availability of user brain - click on avatar to check"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan giggles''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|49]  McCabe Maxsted: take care ben!
| [15:43]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we need the ability to set different profiles and easily swithc between them for preferences; tasks would be a natural extension of that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|AO PLEASE
| style="white-space:normal;"|50]  Kippie Friedkin: Thanks, Ben...cheers for now!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:43]   
| Frans Charming:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think the workspaces idea is a good analogy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:44] 
| 
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan is not sure''
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|50]  Benjamin Linden: take care all!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:44]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Eclipse is not exactly newbie friendly
| style="white-space:normal;"|50]  Tinker Toll: bye Ben, Thanks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:44]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I know I don’t even udnerstand how it works, beyond that it is used to code.
| style="white-space:normal;"|50]  Charlette Proto: don't bump into anything Benj
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:44]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|SL for dummies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:44]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, a default view could be very simple using an Eclipse-like approach.
| style="white-space:normal;"|50]  Malbers Linden bumps into things all the time -- and I just had LASIK a few months ago!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:45]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It's just about customization, views, and workspaces - all of which can be saved.
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Kippie Friedkin: hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have been mentoring, and sometimes fighting, a lot fo people using computers in day to day work without being computer people.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For years.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And I have seen diferent approaches.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Function hding ones, like oiffice smart menus…
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|…and assitant type ones work worst, in my experience.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|office is basically a typewriter not a 3D environment
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Charlette Proto: like aq noob
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|People ned to understand easily what happens, not to be led, or constricted.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no "SL Clippy?"
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  You: this has been a great office hours - and a completely spontaneous subject.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|an UI that allows users to progressively customize as he/she advances is the best imho
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Excel is a bit mroe than a typewiter
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  You: Does anyone have a suggestion for future office hours?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|No.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|paperclip
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Charlette Proto: radial menu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hey! Listen! Hey! Listen! Hey! Listen!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan agress with Lars''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  JayR Cela: yeah it has :_)
| [15:47] 
| Dakota Schwade:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Understanding ... another of Rheta's key points is improved access to help, via web or in-world.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|whaere do you want to go today???
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Kippie Friedkin: I'd love to see more A11Y chat during these meetings. It's such a wide-ranging topic.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan agrees even''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Aimee Trescothick wrote a raytracer in Excel''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Charlette Proto: like maya
| [15:47] 
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Starting with hints and ending with agood help document.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|"I see you're trying to wear a shoppic bag on your head. Would you like me to find someone to laugh at you?"
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Squirrel Wood: more? Yes! TWO hours of goody office hour goodness!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|with no code :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  Charlette Proto: everything in it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ROFL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
|   
| Gabby Panacek:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
| style="white-space:normal;"|51]  McCabe Maxsted is very interested
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|where are we going with that???
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Louise Later: Anyone who wants a free coopy of our current version of our project, it is at Wheelies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|get MS people on the job next
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Jacek Antonelli: Great, Louise :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the help side is something that is heavily depending on what LL allows us..the current approach is "patchy" at best
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mass of ass
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  JayR Cela: Wings3D and mesh texture imports would be nice topic / i think
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|right click clippy > delete
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
|   
| Lars Donardson:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not interacting at all
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Squirrel Wood: Did anyone else here get notecard spammed with "more L$ for you" crap ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yep agreed on that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48] 
| 
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan nods''
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|52]  Malbers Linden: all those places/groups are interesting -- VAIsland, Heron Sanctuary, Wheelies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|AFK a mo
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Kippie Friedkin makes a note to check those out later
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Currently we do not have a topic for next weeks Rx Office hours, other than creating a fish tank for Malbers.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good idea
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Jacek Antonelli: Hrmm. But as a topic for Resident Experience, JayR? I dunno.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Back. That went faster than expected.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
|   
| Malbers Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Awesome!
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Louise Later: They are all trying to get more coordinated
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|fishtanks look nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if you have any ideas please fire away or drop me an IM or notecard later
| style="white-space:normal;"|53]  Louise Later: No pun inteneded :))
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| style="white-space:normal;"|... so we need this office to be set temp-rezzable, no?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but we may need better fluid dynamics
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Louise Later: intended
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|build please
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Kippie Friedkin: lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| McCabe Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm sure something will come up on slux
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|can we be informed
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Charlette Proto: hihihi
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ooh, fluid dynamics would be nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes please FDs
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Louise Later: LOL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that's a different office though...hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|better get a second GPU to run it on though :D
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  JayR Cela: well with custum mesh texture's / perhaps the proper brail information could be more easily encoded
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thank you Rheta for sharing your design with us and for answering our questions.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|My pleasure, really :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Charlette Proto: accessibility was always on my design roadmap
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how about inworld 3D interface
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, thanks Rheta! :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Louise Later: anyone who would like a "guide dog" box I can drop one in your inventory
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]   
| Pier Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, thank you and congrats!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or the radial menu
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Charlette Proto: me please
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks Rheta :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|radial menu?
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Jacek Antonelli: Yes please, Louise :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|uggh...inworld...do you want to kill the hamsters driving the LL servers?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good try Rheta
| style="white-space:normal;"|54]  Kippie Friedkin: I'd love one, Louise.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]   
| Gabby Panacek:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thank you, Rheta :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good luck extending it
| style="white-space:normal;"|55]  Charlette Proto: for good looks, kind of cool I think
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]   
| Rheta Shan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ta everybody.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|radil menu, hamster wheel then?
| style="white-space:normal;"|55]  Charlette Proto: wish I could take a copy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*radial
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  JayR Cela: bye~byee everyone / tke care
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]   
| Lars Donardson:
| style="white-space:normal;"|rofl
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|swarms
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Louise Later gave you Guide dog v2.1 radar by Charles Mountain body by Christian.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|flocks
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  JayR Cela: :_)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:52]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Radial hamster menu? *rubs her chin* BRILLIANT!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hamster is a good idea
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Jacek Antonelli: Bye JayR! :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:52]   
| Gabby Panacek:
| style="white-space:normal;"|get to work on that one, Cuddlefishy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a stage for me
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Kippie Friedkin: Cya JayR
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and a mirror
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Charlette Proto: cu JayR
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I want a mirror
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  You: thank you, Louise
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|please
| style="white-space:normal;"|56]  Squirrel Wood gave you Newbie Target (not for sex).
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:52]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I still want my pony.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so vain
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Charlette Proto: thank you
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:53]   
| Aimee Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bdamn, beat me to the pony *pouts*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:53]  
|   
| colspan="2"|''Gabby Panacek will buy Jacek a pony''
| [2008/08/28 15:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  You: thank you Squirrel
| [15:53] 
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|pegasus-unicorn-pony
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:53]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ponny would look stupid and this is all about image
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Kippie Friedkin: Thanks, Louise!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:53]   
| colspan="2"|''Rheta Shan smiles''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:53]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|stage
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Tinker Toll: Bye everyone, see you next week
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:53]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but you could *be* the pony that every one wants!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:53]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|revolving so all can see
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Jacek Antonelli: Bye Tinker!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:53]   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:o
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:54]  
|   
| Charlette Proto:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no AOs that don't work next week pleas
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  You: bye Tinker
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:54]   
| Malbers Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|found my niche -- i'm already the jellyfish eveyone wants
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:54]  
|   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  You: thanks to all for coming :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:54]   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ah....Jellyfish....good band too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:54]  
|   
| Gabby Panacek:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|just keep your tentacles to yourself, Malbers
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Malbers Linden: thanks to all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55]   
| Grant Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and so, it seems we have mananged to wrap up the Rx office hours early this week :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:55]  
|   
| Geneko Nemeth:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is there any reason to prefer a flat menu over a pie menu?
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Charlette Proto: nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could you [please turn it off just so we can see you will have fixed it by next week AO
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|PIe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LETS TALK ABOUT THAT
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOOK AT mAYA VIDEOS
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry acps
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|caps
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(been up all night 8am here)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:56]  
|   
| Rheta Shan:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ouch
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Squirrel Wood: have a great afternoon!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:56] 
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I love it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:56]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|10 to 12 hour a day
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:56]  
|   
| Grant Linden:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thank you again, Rheta. Take care everyone :)
| style="white-space:normal;"|57]  Malbers Linden: great discussion; great topic
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:56]   
| Charlette Proto:
| style="white-space:normal;"|night that is
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:56]  
|   
| Jacek Antonelli:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Take care everyone
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Louise Later: Did I miss anyone?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:56]   
| Erica Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye all!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:56]  
|   
| Kippie Friedkin:
| [2008/08/28 15:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks Grant...cya next week!
| style="white-space:normal;"|58]  Kippie Friedkin: Yeah, loved it!
|}
|}

Revision as of 16:27, 28 August 2008

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[2008/08/28 14: 51] Simon Kline: hi Grant :))
[2008/08/28 14: 51] You: Hello hello
[2008/08/28 14: 51] Louise Later: LOL! Loove to have it
[2008/08/28 14: 51] Louise Later: It's 104 F here
[2008/08/28 14: 51] Simon Kline: you could nearly cook stuff outside at that temp
[2008/08/28 14: 52] Louise Later: I met another aussie--Denlee Wobbit, from univ. of S.A.
[2008/08/28 14: 52] Charlette Proto: Hi everyone
[2008/08/28 14: 52] Simon Kline: ahh yes I've heard of them :)
[2008/08/28 14: 52] Simon Kline: hi Charletty
[2008/08/28 14: 52] You: hello Charlette
[2008/08/28 14: 52] Simon Kline: Charlette* (sorry!)
[2008/08/28 14: 53] Jacek Antonelli: Yarr, you beat me
[2008/08/28 14: 53] Charlette Proto: I'll be a bit slow today, cell phone connection
[2008/08/28 14: 53] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy sideways people :)
[2008/08/28 14: 53] You: hello Jacek and MCabe
[2008/08/28 14: 53] Dusan Writer: way ho forward person
[2008/08/28 14: 53] McCabe Maxsted: hehe
[2008/08/28 14: 53] Simon Kline: hi guys
[2008/08/28 14: 53] McCabe Maxsted: 1.21 has a fun bug where people appear rotated when seated :)
[2008/08/28 14: 54] Simon Kline: i haven't seen that bug yet... been lookin for it tho heh
[2008/08/28 14: 54] Simon Kline: why do i miss out on all the fun bugs
[2008/08/28 14: 55] McCabe Maxsted: aww
[2008/08/28 14: 56] Simon Kline grins
[2008/08/28 14: 56] McCabe Maxsted: so how's everyone doing?
[2008/08/28 14: 56] Dusan Writer: trying to get that floaty california feeling mccabe
[2008/08/28 14: 57] Dusan Writer: do i look hippy like or silicon valleyish yet?
[2008/08/28 14: 57] Simon Kline: really good thanks.. friday morning here i'm off to work in 30 mins so excuse me when i dissapear ^^
[2008/08/28 14: 57] Charlette Proto: surviving sim restarts three times a day
[2008/08/28 14: 57] Charlette Proto: TPs not working etc
[2008/08/28 14: 57] McCabe Maxsted: ack, that sucks simon
[2008/08/28 14: 57] McCabe Maxsted: dusan: you need more alcohol ;)
[2008/08/28 14: 58] Dusan Writer: haha ... naw i'll pass on alcohol maybe take up surfing with a laptop instead
[2008/08/28 14: 58] Charlette Proto: drinks in SL have very little alcohol content
[2008/08/28 14: 58] You: Hello Tinker
[2008/08/28 14: 58] Simon Kline: hehe McCabe I thught about using the excuse "I was at Benjamin Linden's office hour" but i don't think they'd understand
[2008/08/28 14: 58] McCabe Maxsted: haha
[2008/08/28 14: 58] Tinker Toll: Hello everyone!
[2008/08/28 14: 58] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy tinker :)
[2008/08/28 14: 58] Charlette Proto: hey ther Tink
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Tinker Toll: :-D
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Charlette Proto: Hey Tink
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Tinker Toll: hello
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Louise Later: :))
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Jacek Antonelli: Ahoy Malbers!
[2008/08/28 14: 59] You: Hello Malbers
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Malbers Linden: howdy all!
[2008/08/28 14: 59] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy malbers :)
[2008/08/28 14: 59] Charlette Proto: interestin, some of the laggy text goes out of order
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Malbers Linden: new dress, charlette?
[2008/08/28 15: 00] You: hello Kippie
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Jacek Antonelli: Welcome to the wonderful world of packet loss, Charlette
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Charlette Proto: yep
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Kippie Friedkin: Hi Grant
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Jacek Antonelli: Hi Kippie :)
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Kippie Friedkin: Hi Jacek :)
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Charlette Proto: text is the drug of choice in SL
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Kippie Friedkin: And hello all :)
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Simon Kline: cuz ur on your cell connection Charlette?
[2008/08/28 15: 00] JayR Cela: yeah I was noticing laggy text chat earlier today
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Charlette Proto: yep not used to such crap
[2008/08/28 15: 00] Charlette Proto: but the sunshine is gret
[2008/08/28 15: 01] McCabe Maxsted waves to kippie
[2008/08/28 15: 01] Simon Kline: heheh i'll take sunshine anyday :))
[2008/08/28 15: 01] Kippie Friedkin waves back at McCabe!
[2008/08/28 15: 01] JayR Cela: oh mello there McCabe / and hello to everyone else as well :_)
[2008/08/28 15: 01] McCabe Maxsted: maybe you shoudl be joining dusan on the coast ;)
[2008/08/28 15: 01] Charlette Proto: me too it's been a bad winter in Australia
[2008/08/28 15: 01] Jacek Antonelli: Ahoy Benjamin!
[2008/08/28 15: 01] McCabe Maxsted: hehe ahoy jayr. And ben! he arriveth!
[2008/08/28 15: 02] You: hello Ben!
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Kippie Friedkin: Hi Ben
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Benjamin Linden: hi all!
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Simon Kline: haha I'm in Australia too! (that's why i'm complaining) eh
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Charlette Proto: Hi Benj
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Simon Kline: hiya benjamin :D
[2008/08/28 15: 02] JayR Cela: hi there Ben / long time no see :_)
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Benjamin Linden: how is everyone?
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Benjamin Linden: I know, I've missed you guys!
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Louise Later: doing great!
[2008/08/28 15: 02] McCabe Maxsted: at, 3:01 even :) hehe
[2008/08/28 15: 02] JayR Cela: me 2
[2008/08/28 15: 02] Simon Kline: aww we missed you more Ben heh
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: do you all remember all the discussions we had with Kippie about the new Landmarks features?
[2008/08/28 15: 03] McCabe Maxsted: yupyup
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: well I'm running a build with those built in!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Kippie Friedkin remembers well
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Jacek Antonelli: Yeps!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] You: hello Squirrel
[2008/08/28 15: 03] McCabe Maxsted: oooooooh
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Jacek Antonelli: Wow!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Squirrel Wood: Holla!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] McCabe Maxsted: that's awesome!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: we're working out the kinks now
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Jacek Antonelli: Hi Squirrel :D
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: so we can get it into first look
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Jacek Antonelli: And Garn!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Squirrel Wood: ¡ǝuoʎɹǝʌǝ 'sƃuıʇǝǝɹƃ
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Kippie Friedkin: yay!
[2008/08/28 15: 03] JayR Cela: i missed it
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: but so far it's pretty promising
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Garn Conover: get what into FL>
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: back button
[2008/08/28 15: 03] McCabe Maxsted can't wait to have a look at it
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: location bar
[2008/08/28 15: 03] Benjamin Linden: favorites menu
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Benjamin Linden: the works!
[2008/08/28 15: 04] McCabe Maxsted: are there screenshots up anywhere?
[2008/08/28 15: 04] You: hello Garn
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Benjamin Linden: it's really quite handy
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Jacek Antonelli: Yeah. Pics or it didn't happen. ;D
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Garn Conover: allo
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Louise Later: Squirrel, how can you talk backwards?
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Benjamin Linden: I haven't taken any screenshots yet
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Benjamin Linden: but it basically is the design that was posted to Pjira
[2008/08/28 15: 04] Garn Conover: hey Ben any idea if that flycam indicator patch is gonna be included in the new RC?
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Squirrel Wood: /ao on
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Benjamin Linden: I haven't been tracking that Garn
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Benjamin Linden: do you have a link?
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Charlette Proto: I have a time mashine, no pictures either
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Benjamin Linden: lol Charlette
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Garn Conover: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8341 i do believe
[2008/08/28 15: 05] Malbers Linden: there has been internal chatter about that bug but i do not know where it stands
[2008/08/28 15: 06] Garn Conover: well im still on RC 14 lol
[2008/08/28 15: 06] Dusan Writer wants to laugh at Nidol's afro but is afraid
[2008/08/28 15: 06] Charlette Proto: bug at large don't make good avatars
[2008/08/28 15: 06] Charlette Proto: too small
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Benjamin Linden: checking status
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Louise Later: I am trying to make SL more accessible for people with visual disabilities
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Charlette Proto: OK we warmed up the fingers now
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Malbers Linden: i saw your group title, Louise
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Charlette Proto: nice try
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Malbers Linden: that's awesome
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Benjamin Linden: looks like it is being integrated
[2008/08/28 15: 07] Louise Later: I have some things to share with you
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Kippie Friedkin: Very cool
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Benjamin Linden: as of today
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Louise Later: Can I rex them out here?
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Louise Later: rez
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Benjamin Linden: but I don't know which version it will go into
[2008/08/28 15: 08] You: Hello Banker
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Garn Conover: umm watch Banker
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Jacek Antonelli: I'm interested to hear about these accessibility ideas
[2008/08/28 15: 08] Benjamin Linden: likewise
[2008/08/28 15: 09] McCabe Maxsted nods in agreement
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Entering god mode, level 150
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Benjamin Linden: wow a robotic dinosaur with a 'fro
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Benjamin Linden: I thought I'd seen it all
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Benjamin Linden: :-)
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Jacek Antonelli: hahaha
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Louise Later: We have a guidedog and a mobility cane
[2008/08/28 15: 09] McCabe Maxsted: can you turn on object creation for louise ben/
[2008/08/28 15: 09] Louise Later: Or maybe I can drop them into your inventory?
[2008/08/28 15: 10] Malbers Linden: any of the Lindens should work
[2008/08/28 15: 10] Garn Conover: yikes full packet and bandwidth
[2008/08/28 15: 10] Malbers Linden: (or is it easier to let Louise rez them? Don't know?)
[2008/08/28 15: 11] Malbers Linden: Lousie, maybe you can describe the problem and idea
[2008/08/28 15: 11] Benjamin Linden: I'm happy to rez something
[2008/08/28 15: 11] Malbers Linden: not sure how many people are familiar with A11Y issues
[2008/08/28 15: 11] Louise Later: It would be easier to rez them --that way people could pick up copies
[2008/08/28 15: 12] Louise Later: We have guidedog and cane that deal with 2 the 3 main issues facing peoplel with visual disabilities in SL
[2008/08/28 15: 12] Charlette Proto: braile 3D
[2008/08/28 15: 13] Charlette Proto: good idea
[2008/08/28 15: 13] Louise Later: 1. how to read things and 2. how to move to things
[2008/08/28 15: 13] Louise Later: But I am not sure how to interact with the "touch" menu
[2008/08/28 15: 13] Charlette Proto: there are braile display devices
[2008/08/28 15: 14] Charlette Proto: touch screens that vibrate for haptic feedback
[2008/08/28 15: 14] Charlette Proto: how about making something that is more realistic for now
[2008/08/28 15: 14] Louise Later: How is the touch event tiggered in the pie menu?
[2008/08/28 15: 14] Charlette Proto: good question
[2008/08/28 15: 14] Charlette Proto: like the I pod
[2008/08/28 15: 15] Charlette Proto: useless
[2008/08/28 15: 15] Louise Later: I can get users right up to something--up they can not click on the pie menu to tigger it'
[2008/08/28 15: 15] Charlette Proto: the radial (pie) menu needs some work in my view
[2008/08/28 15: 15] McCabe Maxsted is curious how it works
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Charlette Proto: especially for those that can see it
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Louise Later: I just gave Ben our current dog and cane
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Malbers Linden: ah! I see a guide dog
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Louise Later: Both are hightly beta--but both take the user to whatever is around them
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Benjamin Linden: I didn't get the cane Louise
[2008/08/28 15: 16] Charlette Proto: a guide dog would be great for blind vavigation
[2008/08/28 15: 16] McCabe Maxsted: bah who made the tp home and chat history shortcuts so similar ;)
[2008/08/28 15: 17] Louise Later: using radar
[2008/08/28 15: 17] Charlette Proto: bite griefers and everything
[2008/08/28 15: 17] Charlette Proto: positional acoustic feedback like bats use
[2008/08/28 15: 17] Louise Later: Both work exactly the same--but some users prefer a cane over a dog and vice versa
[2008/08/28 15: 17] Charlette Proto: give them both
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Jacek Antonelli: Could Ben make it so we can take a copy? :D
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Charlette Proto: cane would be good if the dog misbehaves
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Louise Later: People who are blind want to use something like what they use in real life
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Louise Later: They should be completely free to copy
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Charlette Proto: sure smell is a very powerfull sense
[2008/08/28 15: 18] Benjamin Linden: Louise, can you explain how they work?
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Louise Later: There is a card in there or should be :))
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Benjamin Linden: I see the menu
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Louise Later: But they work by radar
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Louise Later: you get to choose how far away and what to look for
[2008/08/28 15: 19] McCabe Maxsted: are there a lot of people with disabilities in second life? I've seen a few videos of people using SL but don't know anything about the disabled community here. Would love to hear some thoughts on how they use the interface
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Benjamin Linden: oh is this effectively an AO?
[2008/08/28 15: 19] You: they tell the owner who and what is near by?
[2008/08/28 15: 19] Louise Later: the most useful command is "/2 x"
[2008/08/28 15: 20] Louise Later: it tells you immediately what is around you.
[2008/08/28 15: 20] Benjamin Linden: how does it tell you?
[2008/08/28 15: 20] Charlette Proto: is this a joke or are we trying to meet a legal obligation?
[2008/08/28 15: 20] Louise Later: You can choose to be taken to the objects or people
[2008/08/28 15: 21] You: I don't think this is a joke, this could be helpful
[2008/08/28 15: 21] Louise Later: It reads into the chat history window, where a program called "EVA" voices it
[2008/08/28 15: 21] Benjamin Linden: oh excellent
[2008/08/28 15: 21] Benjamin Linden: so it interfaces with a screen reader
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Louise Later: EVA is designed by Jarek Dejavu specifically to read aloud SL chat
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Kippie Friedkin: This isn't a joke at all. The disability community make up an evergrowing percentage of computer users.
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Dusan Writer: that is such an amazing project
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Louise Later: And are the most heavy users of SL
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Simon Kline: wow very cool
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Dusan Writer: what an incredible initiative Louise
[2008/08/28 15: 22] Benjamin Linden: where do you get eva?
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Louise Later: We have an excellent SL dog maker (Enrico Gennosse) who will make the guide dogs
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Jacek Antonelli: Very interesting. I was wondering if SL could work with screen readers (and if not, how we could make it)
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Dusan Writer: i've also heard of a sign reader application
[2008/08/28 15: 23] JayR Cela: i beleave Eva is an Open Source Linux / cross platform reader Ben
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Benjamin Linden: http://www.revver.com/video/500181/second-life-speech-tools-eva-voicechat-advancement-presentation/
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Kippie Friedkin: Awesome.
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Malbers Linden: it's not clear there are hooks in the Viewer to interface with screen readers
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Louise Later: Jarek Dejavu will distribute it free to people with disabilities.
[2008/08/28 15: 23] Dusan Writer: interprets and signs for you, which is a separate thing
[2008/08/28 15: 24] You: yes, I was wondering if we need to include EVA in future requirements
[2008/08/28 15: 24] Louise Later: It is designed specifically to read SL chat
[2008/08/28 15: 24] Louise Later: We have tested it. It works fine.
[2008/08/28 15: 24] Charlette Proto: funny that all signage in SL is texture based that will be a nice challenge
[2008/08/28 15: 24] Louise Later: I am using it now
[2008/08/28 15: 24] Dusan Writer: Nice Louise this has been really useful to learn about, amazing
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Charlette Proto: perhaps inworld text displays would be a good start
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Louise Later: We would like to get Braille inworld too
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Louise Later: TX Oh is working on that
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Charlette Proto: I mentioned braile before
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Benjamin Linden: Louise, is there a central clearing house on the web somewhere for people looking for info on accessibility issues in SL?
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Dusan Writer: Louise is your work somehow being done in reference to accessibility standards acts at all?
[2008/08/28 15: 25] Charlette Proto: I find lack of text a real design problem
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Malbers Linden: looking for landmark....
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Louise Later: Yes. Torley posted a Wiki for it
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Charlette Proto: and internationalisation nightmare of textures
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Dusan Writer: much of government can't support SL-type platforms because of accessibility laws
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Kippie Friedkin: It's interesting to consider how things like Section 508 might end up applying to gov't agencies setting up shop in SL.
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Malbers Linden: I've fond that the same infrastructure needed for I18N is a huge step forward for A11Y
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Dusan Writer: exactly Kippie
[2008/08/28 15: 26] Louise Later: Yes, Kippie!
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Malbers Linden: data abstraction
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Jacek Antonelli: It would be interesting if there were a way to embed text meta-data into textures and signs, similar to the alt="" attribute in HTML
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Dusan Writer: Is the Lab's new government outreach effort looking at this sort of thing?
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Louise Later: THe advantage of our approach is that we are STARTing with programmers who are bllind
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Squirrel Wood: there is a description field for textures methinks
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Louise Later: blind
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Malbers Linden: The place I've been to for A11Y discussions is the Heron Sanctuary
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Charlette Proto: 'Designing for Visibility' is a good book on inclusive objectives in design
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Kippie Friedkin: I used to do A11Y consulting, so I'm really excited about this stuff.
[2008/08/28 15: 27] Louise Later: so that we are starting from how they want to access SL
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Jacek Antonelli: That is so cool, Louise :D
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Dusan Writer applauds
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Louise Later: THanks!
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Squirrel Wood: yep. there is a description field for textures - its just not accessible in any way
[2008/08/28 15: 28] You: does EVA work with UI elements like search results?
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Jacek Antonelli: right, Squirrel :\
[2008/08/28 15: 28] Louise Later: Grant--only if they read into the chat window
[2008/08/28 15: 29] Benjamin Linden: does someone have a link to more info about EVA?
[2008/08/28 15: 29] Louise Later: Check Jarek Dejavu
[2008/08/28 15: 29] Charlette Proto: so no inworld text display for signage then
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Charlette Proto: or is that too obvious
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Malbers Linden: different access issues
[2008/08/28 15: 30] McCabe Maxsted: was http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Accessibility the wiki you wee talkinga bout louise?
[2008/08/28 15: 30] You: does the cane perform the same function as the dog?
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Malbers Linden: especially since that text is burned into a texture
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Louise Later: Yes, McCabe
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Jacek Antonelli: (Ideally, textures, or prim faces, would have a "text description" and "visual description". Text description would be the text that is displayed in the texture, if any; and visual description would be something like "tree bark" or "brick wall")
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Charlette Proto: like MUDS
[2008/08/28 15: 30] Squirrel Wood: You see 'Object'
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Charlette Proto: old enough to have played myself
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Louise Later: and as each object is rezzed, it has a default sound of "wood"--it would be nice to see that used more effectively
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Squirrel Wood: I guarantee that over 95% of all prims in SL are named "Object"
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Charlette Proto: yep
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Jacek Antonelli: Hrmm. There are so many prims that people just leave called "Object". That limits the usefulness of a name scanner :(
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Dusan Writer blushs as he peeks in his inventory and sees 16,000 Objects
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Benjamin Linden: I don't see EVA listed on this page
[2008/08/28 15: 31] Benjamin Linden: someone should add it :-)
[2008/08/28 15: 32] Louise Later: It uses the given name of the object
[2008/08/28 15: 32] Charlette Proto: that is object
[2008/08/28 15: 32] Louise Later: the cane and the dog use the given name in the General tab of the root prim
[2008/08/28 15: 33] Benjamin Linden: http://www.secondlifeprofessionals.com/en/?q=page/downloads
[2008/08/28 15: 33] Louise Later: good idea, Ben1
[2008/08/28 15: 33] Benjamin Linden: that's the link to the folks who make EVA
[2008/08/28 15: 34] Benjamin Linden: Louise, maybe you or someone in your group could update that wiki page
[2008/08/28 15: 34] Benjamin Linden: to include links to your projects
[2008/08/28 15: 34] Benjamin Linden: and to EVA
[2008/08/28 15: 34] Louise Later: One of the insights gained from starting wth people who are blind is that
[2008/08/28 15: 34] Louise Later: they want to start item by item--not a whole field of input
[2008/08/28 15: 35] Jacek Antonelli: Can you explain that? I don't understand what you mean
[2008/08/28 15: 35] Malbers Linden: it is interesting to htink about UI design from the abstract POV of the functionality withOUT the visuaization of it
[2008/08/28 15: 35] Louise Later: We will Ben! But we felt that we need to overcome the "pie menu" access
[2008/08/28 15: 35] Benjamin Linden: that is an interesting problem Louise
[2008/08/28 15: 35] Louise Later: before we --uh--lead people on. :)
[2008/08/28 15: 36] Louise Later: or invite them inworld when they can't interact with objects
[2008/08/28 15: 36] Jacek Antonelli: yeah :(
[2008/08/28 15: 36] Louise Later: except to get their manes and get TO them
[2008/08/28 15: 36] Charlette Proto: did you just wake up to that Loise
[2008/08/28 15: 37] Jacek Antonelli: I think the viewer would need a hook so that you could say "touch mailbox" and it would send a touch event to the object called mailbox
[2008/08/28 15: 37] Malbers Linden: Jacek, blind people build incredibly complex mental models of the functionality of an application
[2008/08/28 15: 37] Malbers Linden: giving them that information in digestible chunks is helpful
[2008/08/28 15: 37] Malbers Linden: so, field at a time instead of big blobs of data
[2008/08/28 15: 38] Jacek Antonelli: Aha
[2008/08/28 15: 38] Jacek Antonelli: thanks, Malbers. Now I get it :)
[2008/08/28 15: 38] Malbers Linden: and if you ever need to know esoteric keyboard shortcuts, blind folks know them all
[2008/08/28 15: 38] Jacek Antonelli: hehe
[2008/08/28 15: 38] McCabe Maxsted: good to know :)
[2008/08/28 15: 38] Louise Later: Most people who are blind do have a sighted helpler inworld--who could "click" on things or take them places with the help of the dog and cane. Whe have done that very effectively.
[2008/08/28 15: 39] Louise Later: We also have created .wav files tiggered by senso r to read signs
[2008/08/28 15: 39] Charlette Proto: reat texture?
[2008/08/28 15: 39] Louise Later: but how to get that "click" wouldl be nice
[2008/08/28 15: 39] You: If the seeing eye dog could tell what objects in the room held interactions and could trigger them - like "discoverable objects" that might make the pie menu less of a hurdle
[2008/08/28 15: 39] Louise Later: Exactly Grant
[2008/08/28 15: 39] Malbers Linden: have to allow a programmatic way to inspect objects for their triggers
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Malbers Linden: nad present those trigger in plain language
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Jacek Antonelli: Yes. Both to inspect and to interact
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Louise Later: Right Malbers
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Dusan Writer apologizes as he poofs, cu all RL calls
[2008/08/28 15: 40] You: yes, rather than the traditional "tabbed UI" one could provide readable triggers
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Malbers Linden has done this kind of work previously
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Malbers Linden: bye dusan
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Jacek Antonelli: The data is there -- if you mouse over an object, the tooltip tells you what triggers it has
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Malbers Linden: but need the programmatic hook
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Jacek Antonelli: Right
[2008/08/28 15: 40] Louise Later: Malbers--you have done this?
[2008/08/28 15: 41] Malbers Linden: in a previous life, as a UI designer
[2008/08/28 15: 41] Charlette Proto: hierarchical (borring) organisation is best in these kind of situations (reading)
[2008/08/28 15: 41] Louise Later: And the script is waiting to be triggered. How do we access that?
[2008/08/28 15: 41] Malbers Linden: heirarchies are easy to navigate -- esp w/ arrows instead of mouse
[2008/08/28 15: 41] Charlette Proto: yep
[2008/08/28 15: 42] Malbers Linden: Louise, not sure for SL
[2008/08/28 15: 42] Malbers Linden: did this on another GUI toolkit
[2008/08/28 15: 42] Benjamin Linden: do current scripting tools allow objects to see if other objects have touch actions, etc?
[2008/08/28 15: 42] Jacek Antonelli: No, Ben :(
[2008/08/28 15: 42] Louise Later: Anyone is welcome to join our Guidedog/cane developemnt team!
[2008/08/28 15: 43] Jacek Antonelli: Somewhat related topic: maybe objects need a flag to say that it is an "important" object. So blind users don't have to listen to the name of every single object around them to find the interesting stuff
[2008/08/28 15: 43] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[2008/08/28 15: 43] Malbers Linden: but the guide dogs ight need that info to avoid these objects during walking/flying
[2008/08/28 15: 43] Benjamin Linden: heh wow squirrel, that's pretty realistic!
[2008/08/28 15: 44] Squirrel Wood: yep
[2008/08/28 15: 44] Louise Later: We were thinking of a "Braille" tag or an Audio Description logo
[2008/08/28 15: 44] Malbers Linden: perhaps just different API calls
[2008/08/28 15: 44] Jacek Antonelli: Of course, Malbers. The information about all the objects would be there, so it could navigate. But also have the flag there so that different apps (i.e. the screen reader) could filter things out
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Malbers Linden: personal bias -- i'd rather not put in things that are "just" for A11Y
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Malbers Linden: Developers will rarely fill in these fields
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Jacek Antonelli: Yeah :(
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Charlette Proto: perhaps my inworld text is not such a stupid idea
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Jacek Antonelli: It could also influence the order that objects are rezzed? :D
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Malbers Linden: will be seen as a Nice To Have
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Kippie Friedkin: LIke fighting with webdevs to add alt tags
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Squirrel Wood: people go the least effort way
[2008/08/28 15: 45] Jacek Antonelli: Ugh, yeah Kippie
[2008/08/28 15: 46] Jacek Antonelli: *cough* SL's website is noncompliant *cough*
[2008/08/28 15: 46] Kippie Friedkin: yes, very sad
[2008/08/28 15: 46] Malbers Linden: I usually try to argue that power users and A11Y concerns overlap a LOT
[2008/08/28 15: 46] You: yes, but for an educational or government region compliance would at least be possible
[2008/08/28 15: 46] Malbers Linden: this usually motivates teh power users ~= developers
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Charlette Proto: so it is about regulations and compliance after all
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Jacek Antonelli: No, Charlette -- it's about serving people's needs
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Malbers Linden: I've even seen a few kick ass QA tools built on top of A11Y APIs
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Malbers Linden: it's all about programmatic access to information and functionality
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Jacek Antonelli: Hear, hear.
[2008/08/28 15: 47] Louise Later: Folk, a little known fact is that the keyboard itself was developed for a member of the British royal family who was blind and wanted to do his own correspondence. People who are blind are pro-tech, when they can afford it.
[2008/08/28 15: 48] You: interesting
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Malbers Linden: and ballpoint pens
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Charlette Proto: not saying any more, sorry for my 5 cents worth
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Benjamin Linden: Louise, does your group work with Heron Sanctuary?
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Malbers Linden: the A11Y field in incredibly interesting but not widely nderstood
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Louise Later: If we welcome them in, they will be able to do a lot!
[2008/08/28 15: 48] Louise Later: Yes we are working with VAIsland
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Louise Later: Virtual Abiltiy Isand
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Benjamin Linden: great
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Benjamin Linden: ok folks I have to duck out a little early today
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Benjamin Linden: but feel free to keep conversing
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Benjamin Linden: thanks for a great chat!
[2008/08/28 15: 49] Jacek Antonelli: Take care Ben!
[2008/08/28 15: 49] JayR Cela: thanks for the meeting Ben
[2008/08/28 15: 49] You: good bye, Ben
[2008/08/28 15: 49] McCabe Maxsted: take care ben!
[2008/08/28 15: 50] Kippie Friedkin: Thanks, Ben...cheers for now!
[2008/08/28 15: 50] Benjamin Linden: take care all!
[2008/08/28 15: 50] Tinker Toll: bye Ben, Thanks
[2008/08/28 15: 50] Charlette Proto: don't bump into anything Benj
[2008/08/28 15: 50] Malbers Linden bumps into things all the time -- and I just had LASIK a few months ago!
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Kippie Friedkin: hehe
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Charlette Proto: like aq noob
[2008/08/28 15: 51] You: this has been a great office hours - and a completely spontaneous subject.
[2008/08/28 15: 51] You: Does anyone have a suggestion for future office hours?
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Charlette Proto: radial menu
[2008/08/28 15: 51] JayR Cela: yeah it has :_)
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Kippie Friedkin: I'd love to see more A11Y chat during these meetings. It's such a wide-ranging topic.
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Charlette Proto: like maya
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Squirrel Wood: more? Yes! TWO hours of goody office hour goodness!
[2008/08/28 15: 51] Charlette Proto: everything in it
[2008/08/28 15: 51] McCabe Maxsted is very interested
[2008/08/28 15: 52] Louise Later: Anyone who wants a free coopy of our current version of our project, it is at Wheelies
[2008/08/28 15: 52] Jacek Antonelli: Great, Louise :)
[2008/08/28 15: 52] JayR Cela: Wings3D and mesh texture imports would be nice topic / i think
[2008/08/28 15: 52] Squirrel Wood: Did anyone else here get notecard spammed with "more L$ for you" crap ?
[2008/08/28 15: 52] Malbers Linden: all those places/groups are interesting -- VAIsland, Heron Sanctuary, Wheelies
[2008/08/28 15: 53] Kippie Friedkin makes a note to check those out later
[2008/08/28 15: 53] Jacek Antonelli: Hrmm. But as a topic for Resident Experience, JayR? I dunno.
[2008/08/28 15: 53] Louise Later: They are all trying to get more coordinated
[2008/08/28 15: 53] Louise Later: No pun inteneded :))
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Louise Later: intended
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Kippie Friedkin: lol
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Charlette Proto: hihihi
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Louise Later: LOL
[2008/08/28 15: 54] JayR Cela: well with custum mesh texture's / perhaps the proper brail information could be more easily encoded
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Charlette Proto: accessibility was always on my design roadmap
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Louise Later: anyone who would like a "guide dog" box I can drop one in your inventory
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Charlette Proto: me please
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Jacek Antonelli: Yes please, Louise :)
[2008/08/28 15: 54] Kippie Friedkin: I'd love one, Louise.
[2008/08/28 15: 55] Charlette Proto: for good looks, kind of cool I think
[2008/08/28 15: 55] Charlette Proto: wish I could take a copy
[2008/08/28 15: 56] JayR Cela: bye~byee everyone / tke care
[2008/08/28 15: 56] Louise Later gave you Guide dog v2.1 radar by Charles Mountain body by Christian.
[2008/08/28 15: 56] JayR Cela: :_)
[2008/08/28 15: 56] Jacek Antonelli: Bye JayR! :)
[2008/08/28 15: 56] Kippie Friedkin: Cya JayR
[2008/08/28 15: 56] Charlette Proto: cu JayR
[2008/08/28 15: 56] You: thank you, Louise
[2008/08/28 15: 56] Squirrel Wood gave you Newbie Target (not for sex).
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Charlette Proto: thank you
[2008/08/28 15: 57] You: thank you Squirrel
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Kippie Friedkin: Thanks, Louise!
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Tinker Toll: Bye everyone, see you next week
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Jacek Antonelli: Bye Tinker!
[2008/08/28 15: 57] You: bye Tinker
[2008/08/28 15: 57] You: thanks to all for coming :)
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Malbers Linden: thanks to all
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Charlette Proto: nice
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Squirrel Wood: have a great afternoon!
[2008/08/28 15: 57] Malbers Linden: great discussion; great topic
[2008/08/28 15: 58] Louise Later: Did I miss anyone?
[2008/08/28 15: 58] Kippie Friedkin: Yeah, loved it!
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