Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-02-09

13:02	Office Orb	mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com
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	Jonathan	oz, you are rotating it with 1 script?
		or did you use 2 prims?
	Oz Linden	1 script in an invisible root at the center
		it's actually 16 linked prims
13:03	Jonathan	I would be curious to see that 1 script rotation code for 2 axis
		ok, meeting time
	Oz Linden	it's full perm... have a look
		Our agenda is quite full:
		https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda
13:04		VWR-24487
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-24487 VWR-24487 llurlentry_stub.cpp:196: error: deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'
	Oz Linden	I meant to talk w/ Q about this before the meeting, but that fell through the cracks
		We will get a fix for this done pretty soon one way or another
	Cummere Mayo	dont mind me im snapshotting my ui so i can show something to fredrik..
13:05	Oz Linden	we're currently planning our hackathon for getting everything converted to VS 2010, which will want this
		it's tentatively scheduled for the end of next week, I believe
	Jonathan	Are we invited?
	Oz Linden	I will be asking around to see if we can figure out how open devs can contribute
13:06		if nothing else, the repos for all the open stuff we'll be working on will be in public
		so you'll be able to see and test what we're doing
		I"ll try to do better than that, though.
		stay tuned
13:07		If it's really bothering people, we could commit the temporary fix we have now, but I am going to want to replace it
		I'll leave that item on our agenda for next time too
13:08		next..... OPEN-1 - perhaps Jonathan can give us his view of the status of that
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-1 OPEN-1 autobuild does not support use with Visual Studio Express
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	so will this mean going forward everyone will need to sue VS 2010?
		use*
	Oz Linden	yes, tank
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	ok thx
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	starting with 2.6 right?
13:09	Oz Linden	right
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	kk
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	so libs wont be affected?
	Oz Linden	well, all of you that work on windows :-)
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	well yeah :P
	Oz Linden	all libs too
		not a small job
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	ouch
13:10		so as soon as you have the libs changed, we'll need to be using 2010 on any revision?
	Oz Linden	Jonathan ... where do we stand w/ VS Express ?
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	will the old libs be in place for a while to give people time to transision over?
	Oz Linden	the old downloads will still be there for old versions
	Jonathan	My version runs, with that hack of moving the build directory
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	oh good ok
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	ok thatll work then, thx
	Jonathan	I would like to hear from other people about how theirs runs
13:11		WOlfpup and Nickyp
	Oz Linden	so the problem there is that the fact that indra is no longer in the tree above the executable means that it can't find its settings file, right?
	Jonathan	yes
		not the saved settings, but the initial ones
	Oz Linden	I assume that the Pro users don't have this and can run the exe where it is built?
13:12	Jonathan	I know wolfpup uses pro, dunno about Nickyp
	Oz Linden	no takers...
		ok, well, we'll want to sort that out, but I suspect that it'll be pretty easy
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	hasnt used 2010 yet, so doesnt know how its different
	Jonathan	why the compiler would make a difference is a mystery
13:13		Tank, this is about autobuild
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	ahh ok
	Oz Linden	it may be that some command is not conditionalized correctly when setting up those files
	Robin Cornelius	maybe but as we don't have the build inside indra/ anymore having code in the viewer that tests for that is asking for bugs
	Jonathan	Robin, can you autobuild on Express as another test case?
	Oz Linden	yes, clearly we'll want to change that
	Robin Cornelius	i've only got express in 2005/2010 versions
13:14	Oz Linden	05 for now, please
	Robin Cornelius	and yes i can run some other tests
	Oz Linden	thanks
	Jonathan	Oz, did you update the source with the /u (?) xml fix
	Oz Linden	not yet, but I'll do that after this meeting
		next issue is OPEN-4
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-4 OPEN-4 As an Open Source Developer, I would like to use Fmod in the autobuild system if i have the needed files already
13:15	Oz Linden	the trick here is that we need at least new instructions on where to put the fmod files under the build tree
	Jonathan	that is just small change, right?
13:16	Oz Linden	ideally, I'd like to go one better and do an autobuild re-package project so that you can check that out, build it, and you'll have a local archive that your viewer build can use
	Robin Cornelius	at one point (snowglobe 1.x) we had an optinon were we could pass a var with FMOD_SDK_DIR and it just used that to find all the bits it needed
	Merovingian	interesting, is that failing for all platforms?
13:17		FMOD logic had to be changed quite a bit to it to require being used only in private mode
		thinks he should look into that one
	Oz Linden	would _love_ your help, Merov - let's talk after this
13:18	Merovingian	is there something with having "Wolf" in your name and being unable to spell?
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	I lol'd
	Merovingian	has to parse comments twice to make sense of them
	Oz Linden	we've got a lot of *wolf* names on this project... not sure what that tells us...
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	oh man, theres to meny wolves out there...
13:19	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	we have a lot of 'wolfs' on the phoenix project too >.>
		they're taking over
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I even saw a "Wolf Linden" on jira today
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	haha
	Oz Linden	I once worked for a 12 person company, 5 of whom were named Dave....
		anyway....
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	lol
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	yay
	Jonathan	Wolf Linden is part of snowstorm
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	lol
13:20	Oz Linden	once open-1 and open-4 have at least reasonable workarounds, we'll merge autobuild
	Tonya Souther	knows a David Trout who solved that problem: he goes by "Fish".
	Oz Linden	Next major item
13:21		Cummere did a pass through VWR and came up with a whole bunch of build-related issues as candidates to be moved to OPEN
		round of applause for Cummere....
	Kitty Barnett	yay!
	Jonathan	Hoooo!
13:22	Oz Linden	So... we're going to zoom through the list and decide if we still care about each issue, and if so how much and move to OPEN if it's enough
	Merovingian	we moved some from SNOW too (still with Cummere's help)
	Oz Linden	otherwise, we'll just close 'em and forget 'em
	Cummere Mayo	im not very confident about this list ><
	Oz Linden	that's ok... it's having a list that's useful
		first vwr-3621
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3621 VWR-3621 Parser Stack Depth Exceeded needs its own error message.
13:23	Cummere Mayo	case in point
	Oz Linden	If I'm not mistaken this is an LSL issue?
	Robin Cornelius	LSL compile is server side now
	Merovingian	right, not an OPEN issue then
	Oz Linden	nor VWR
13:24	Merovingian	which project should that be moved to?
	Cummere Mayo	sorry i have a hard time telling the differance between building and scripting sometimes
		hence part of why im very not sure of the list
	Oz Linden	SVC, I guess - that will get it on their triage
	Robin Cornelius	SVC i would say
	Oz Linden	no problem
		either way it'll be out of our bucket
	Merovingian	volunteer to do the JIRA move
	Oz Linden	go
		vwr-9557
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9557 VWR-9557 a standalone build fails on Fedora with NVIDIA graphics driver: 'glActiveTextureARB' was not declared in this scope
13:25	Cummere Mayo	i was told this is a lib issue
	Oz Linden	but there seems to be a patch...
13:26		this overlaps with the headers issue we were discussing earlier, Merov
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	glh_linear?
	Oz Linden	I'd say move it to OPEN, change to Open status
		right
13:27	Robin Cornelius	the gl.h headers are distro supplied and if you use the nvidia supplied GL header you get the above build bug
	Merovingian	there's a related gl issue
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ah, so a different issue form the glh_linear one
		*from
13:28	Merovingian	digs for the JIRA
	Oz Linden	maybe we need to make our package that installs the nvidia headers detect if the system already has better ones?
	Robin Cornelius	i though the GL headers came with the GLX you had installed? you don't just ship them around
	Merovingian	OPEN-14
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-14 OPEN-14 we really need to decide how to handle glh/glh_linear.h for standalone cases
13:29	Robin Cornelius	glh_linear is different
		thats a standalone file that has no home anywhere
	Oz Linden	bring this one in and let's move on
13:30	Merovingian	moves VWR-9557 to OPEN
	Oz Linden	vwr-13793
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13793 VWR-13793 Full support for Linux 64-bit
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	our users have been screaming for this one ^
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	ya
	Oz Linden	well, this isn't going to happen soon, I'm sorry to say
	Tonya Souther	keep it on the radar?
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	that's what I keep saying to them lol
	Oz Linden	I'm ok with importing it, and with taking patches to make it happen from the community though
13:31	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	64bit support for all OSs at some point tin eh future would be nice
	Cummere Mayo	shrugs...
	Oz Linden	yes... would be nice....
	Cummere Mayo	I was told to make a list thats what i did... i wasnt told to weed out pipedreams :P
	Tonya Souther	I'm happy to let the Linux folks find the 64-bitness issues before I tackle OS X.
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	but i agree theres more pressing things to work on at this time
	Oz Linden	there are really only ever 3 priorities: 1) what I'm doing now, 2) what I'll do next, 3) what I probably won't get to
13:32	Cummere Mayo	32 bit mostly works okay on 64 bit os...
	Robin Cornelius	64 bit is not that broken, many of us have been doing linux 64 bit builds for years so the code itsself is in generaly ok shape for that
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	One of the problems is that 32bit viewer can't use 64bit GStreamer.
	Oz Linden	ok vwr-19643
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19643 VWR-19643 linux libndofdev incompatible to kernel >=2.6.33 (was: spacenavigator does not wok under x.org 1.8.0, udev and fedora 13)
	Oz Linden	ducks
	Robin Cornelius	there was a patch for libndofdev for new kernels
	Oz Linden	this has been on my plate forever... mea culpa
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	lol
13:33	Oz Linden	I need to repackage and build the new version...
		just keeps not makeing it to #1
		please import it, Merov
		leave it assigned to me
		vwr-20466
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20466 VWR-20466 viewer-external uuid.lib: debugging information corrupt
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	don't put this issue on some stack the, ... better a FIFO
		*then
13:34	Merovingian	moves VWR-19643 to OPEN
	JayR Cela	my opinion / SL / QuickTime / Linux / do not play well together - PERIOD !!!!!! / is a waste of time
	Robin Cornelius	uuid.lib corrupt is caused my mixing your SDKs up
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	QuickTime isn't used on Linux, JayR
13:35	Robin Cornelius	i suspect its a win 7 user on VC2005 using SDK 7.x
	Oz Linden	the reporter was you, Robin...
13:36	Robin Cornelius	forgot i filed that one
	Oz Linden	Can we just close this on the assumption that it either : was and incorrect setup, or: will be fixed by 2010 move?
	JayR Cela	@(br/ no quicktime does work with linux - watch Hulu.com on a regular basis / Quicktime and SL media webkit does not
	Robin Cornelius	its a build tool chain set up issue, so close please
	Oz Linden	thank you
13:37	JayR Cela	oops sorry my mistake Hulu uses flash
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I mean, the Linux viewer doesn't use QuickTime to view mediea streams.
	Robin Cornelius	no wonder these issues are all very familar
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	It uses GSTreamer instead.
	Oz Linden	vwr-20994
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20994 VWR-20994 Add a 'printbuilddirs' command to develop.py
	Oz Linden	I believe that autobuild essentially already has this, and it replaces develop.py
13:38	Cummere Mayo	hmm robin i think for the next round im just gonna look for issues created by you >.>
	JayR Cela	well Quicktime is as old as dirt / time to dump it / HTML5 should be seriously looked at
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	doesnt webkit already support html5?
		or partially at least
	Oz Linden	focus, people....
13:39	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	sorry
	Oz Linden	I'd say close 20994
	Merovingian	+1
	Oz Linden	won't finish because we're moving to autobuild
		vwr-23304
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23304 VWR-23304 Allow choosing between system headers/libraries and LL supplied ones per package
13:40	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	should go to OPEN
	Oz Linden	but I think it may be the same as open-6
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-6 OPEN-6 Add support to autobuild for local archives as dependencies and as targets
	Oz Linden	so move it, but link it to that one as related?
13:41	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	let me read OPEN-6
	Oz Linden	we can take a deeper look when we actually do them
	Merovingian	resolve as dupe rather, no?
	Oz Linden	maybe
13:42	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I don't quite understand what OPEN-6 is asking for, so I can't tell whether it's the same
	Oz Linden	one thing I don't want to do is proliferate command line switches more than we really need
		it's a little silly
13:43		the package/dependency mechanism only supports getting files remotely
		it supports http and scp urls, but not file urls
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ah
	Oz Linden	almost certainly a really easy fix if anyone wants to flex some python muscles
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	but how would I choose how to fulfil a dependency?
13:44	Oz Linden	link them and let's move on
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ok
	Merovingian	does the move and link
	Oz Linden	you change your autobuild.xml file (or copy it to a temp and use that so that you don't accidentally check it in)
		vwr-23465
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23465 VWR-23465 !standalone build error due to missing libfreetype.so. libpangoft2-1.0.so: undefined reference to `FT_Realloc'
13:45	Oz Linden	Gentoo specific?
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	yes
13:46	Oz Linden	anyone know if it's still a problem?
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	or rather, doesn't occur on debian-like systems
		dunno if Gentoo is the only affected one
	Tonya Souther	Techwolf might, Oz, dunno anyone else. But all the world is not Ubuntu, or even Debian.
	Oz Linden	right....
	Robin Cornelius	gentoo might use different compile flags for freetype?
13:47	Oz Linden	import it and assign back to techwolf ... the sources for those builds should soon be in public repos if they are not already
		he can work out the upgrade/fix
		and then we'll take it in
13:48	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	dunno if it's that easy
	Oz Linden	VWR-23706
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23706 VWR-23706 current snowstorm building script terminated due to "collect2: ld terminated with signal 9 [Killed] "
13:49	Oz Linden	can anyone tell what this is?
	Tonya Souther	Looks like a hang that he sent a kill to.
	JεŞŞⓘcα ﾚƔⓞη	never seen that error
	Tonya Souther	Be nice if he'd actually included some description.
	Oz Linden	close it
		not reproducible
13:50	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	-DSERVER:BOOL=OFF ... wtf?
	Oz Linden	VWR-23826
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23826 VWR-23826 LLDir integration test fails with "failed to write to test file '/tmp/getNextFileInDir02//file1.abc'"
13:51	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I think you guys fixed that one at some point.
	Oz Linden	that test has been cleaned up....
		would you take that one and either repro on current builds or close it, please, B?
	Merovingian	I think so, resolved as "Fixed"?
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I think so
	Oz Linden	ok... let's do that then
13:52		VWR-23961
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23961 VWR-23961 Add fmodex in FindFMOD cmake module
	Robin Cornelius	i think i still have a failing test, could be this one, i'll reopen if it is so
	Merovingian	Another FMOD one...
	Robin Cornelius	yea merge/dup as its all the same work required to solve anyway
13:53	Oz Linden	move it and link to open-4
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-4 OPEN-4 As an Open Source Developer, I would like to use Fmod in the autobuild system if i have the needed files already
	Merovingian	does that
	Oz Linden	VWR-24366
13:54	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	that's already in STORM ?
	Cummere Mayo	that got moved
		between when i wrote the list and now
	Oz Linden	ok... leave it
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	STORM-981
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-981 STORM-981 CMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS not honored when linking the viewer binary if -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=ON
	Oz Linden	VWR-24375
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-24375 VWR-24375 link phase secondlife-bin fails; supplied LL-lib libuuid.so.1 needs to be removed.
13:56	Oz Linden	not clear to me what the problem or the fix is....
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	already has a dup in OPEN ?
		OPEN-16
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-16 OPEN-16 link phase secondlife-bin fails; supplied LL-lib libuuid.so.1 needs to be upgraded
	Oz Linden	good catch...close as dup then
13:57	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Ah, that's one of those we moved from SNOW
	Oz Linden	VWR-24410
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-24410 VWR-24410 settings.xml not always updated during incremental builds, causing "WARNING: get: Control UpdaterMaximumBandwidth not found." and crash
	Cummere Mayo	is this kinda thing an open issue or not? so i know for future ref
13:58	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	yeah
	Oz Linden	yes
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	probably a missing dependency declaration
	Oz Linden	smells related to the settings problem Jonathan is having .... move it
	Cummere Mayo	kay i wanst sure
	Jonathan	it's only related by name
13:59	Oz Linden	VWR-24484
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-24484 VWR-24484 libmedia_plugin_webkit.so doesn't find libqgif.so on standalone, all web features defunct
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	standalone-specific, so OPEN, I'd say
14:00	Office Orb	Your timer has expired!
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	(might also be Gentoo specific)
	Robin Cornelius	no its not, its general standalone issue
	Oz Linden	I guess, but there's so much custom stuff in this I don't know what we'll do with it....
	Robin Cornelius	its related to how you build llqtwebkit
	Cummere Mayo	well i hope that list was good? ill try and get another done in the next week
	Robin Cornelius	-rpath is your friend
	Oz Linden	VWR-24594
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-24594 VWR-24594 Problems with develop.py and vstool when trying to setup new development environment with Visual Studio 2010
	Oz Linden	move to OPEN (without looking)
14:01	Tonya Souther	the rest are VS 2010 too.
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	why not close it? itsll be bypased with autobuild
		right?
14:02	Oz Linden	24594 we should close, I think
	Merovingian	just moved it
	Oz Linden	the next two move,
		that's ok
14:03	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ew, cascaded titles in description
	Oz Linden	the rest, move and we'll sort them out in the 2010 process
	Cummere Mayo	did i do okay with that list oz?
14:04	Oz Linden	I'm going to leave item 4 from the agenda on for next time: Other Autobuild Issues Triage: OPEN-11 Change STANDALONE to something less confusing OPEN-17 Upgrade builds to use OpenJPEG 1.4 (and create autobuild configuration for the lib)
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-11 OPEN-11 Change STANDALONE to something better.
		http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-17 OPEN-17 64bit standalone build clients do not correctly upload textures with alpha
	Oz Linden	Outstanding, Cummere
	Cummere Mayo	k ill take another pass through when i can find time then
	Oz Linden	there was only one there that didn't belong, and it didn't belong in VWR either!!
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	weve been using openjpeg 1.4 w/o much issue in FS and phoenix
14:05	Oz Linden	Thank you everyone, and especially Merov for volunteering to do the Jira mechanics!
	Robin Cornelius	yes thats an old buggy openjpeg issue that i fixed
		OPEN-17 close it with use a recent openjpeg
	Cummere Mayo	oh oz before i go... I sent the ca directly to you, so it may need forwarded... asumming its acceptable as is?
14:06	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	thx Os and Mervo for taking your time with us
	Oz Linden	I'm going to get an autobuild-ized openjpeg repo up soon (unless someone else wants to do it?)
		I'll get it Cummere.... and can forward just fine... thank you
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	Oz*
	Robin Cornelius	just don't use the 1.3 tarball as a base
	Oz Linden	no, we'll get the new one
	Robin Cornelius	thats svn only i think
		or git
14:07	Oz Linden	autobuild can pull from svn
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	git?
	Oz Linden	adding support for git should be easy if we have to do that
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ah, the upstream repo
	Robin Cornelius	ah sorry thats the debian repro not offical openjpeg
	Oz Linden	Maybe our Phoenix friends can help us get that set up?
14:08	Office Orb	End transcription
	Tonya Souther	We can probably wrangle that, I think.