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| 07:00 | Wolfpup | hey Oz |
| Office Orb | mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com | |
| Start transcription to oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Transcript will be sent to: oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Oz Linden | Hi everybody | |
| draconis.neurocam | hey oz | |
| 07:01 | Oz Linden | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda |
| Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public | ||
| Youri Ashton | heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket) | |
| 07:02 | Oz Linden | Done. |
| (finally) | ||
| lamp -ExTempore- Lighthouse Lamp | Ready. Please touch light beam for menu. | |
| Menu access set to Owner only. | ||
| Items Box |
Open me and click the 'Copy To Inventory' button. Then drag your object from inventory to the ground. | |
| by aeryglow wildlife v2.12 Flying Seagull by Aeryglow Wildlife v2.12 | Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup. | |
Position: <223.6, 133.3, 37.30>. Tilt South/East: 0/0 Radius: 25 Speed: 30 Sound Volume: 79% | ||
| Flight Turned On. | ||
| Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup. | ||
| Wolfpup | hey Oz | |
| Office Orb | mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com | |
| Start transcription to oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Transcript will be sent to: oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Oz Linden | Hi everybody | |
| draconis.neurocam | hey oz | |
| Oz Linden | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda | |
| Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public | ||
| Youri Ashton | heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket) | |
| Oz Linden | Done. | |
| (finally) | ||
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | \o/ | |
| Thanks :-) | ||
| Oz Linden | OPEN Issue Triage (Oz Linden) | |
| 07:03 | Just one issue on the list today : OPEN-43 | |
| Office Orb | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-43
OPEN-43 Autobuild2010 package project does not place LindenDeveloper.exe in build-vc100/newview/RelWithDebInfo | |
| 07:04 | বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | hmm ... https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/viewer-development-builds/ still asks for login ... |
| goes back to lists.secondlife.com to see if there's another way to take | ||
| draconis.neurocam | https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/viewer-development-builds | |
| 07:05 | Wolfpup | the only time i got autobuild to work on my system this worked but i was building in release mode not relwithdebuginfo |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | ah, https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ works | |
| Oz Linden | http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ | |
| 07:06 | This issue is not really clear.... | |
| Youri Ashton | (done) | |
| hey open :) | ||
| oobscure | hey everybody | |
| 07:07 | Oz Linden | It's possiblle that OPEN-43 is a side effect of a naming bug that I believe is fixed now |
| Wolfpup | Oz what it looks like is happening is that in the relwithdebuginfo mode the file is not actualy being made | |
| Ima Mechanique | my last RelWithDebInfo build with merov's repo had a LindenDeveloper.exe file | |
| 07:08 | Wolfpup | some one on windows that has a working autobuild environment might need to retest |
| Ima Mechanique | I have another build running now which should be finished soon(ish) | |
| Oz Linden | the fix was just pulled on Saturday (or maybe Sunday) | |
| 07:09 | Wolfpup | Oz my only sucessful build run in autobuild was done when i reported the font issue |
| Oz Linden | well, step one is to find out whether the windows installer produced by TeamCity works | |
| if it does, but local builds do not, then we know something about where to look | ||
| 07:10 | I am assuming (though the issue does not actually say so) that the user-visible problem is that the install does not have the right binary in it? | |
| lamp -ExTempore- Lighthouse Lamp | Ready. Please touch light beam for menu. | |
| Menu access set to Owner only. | ||
| Items Box |
Open me and click the 'Copy To Inventory' button. Then drag your object from inventory to the ground. | |
| by aeryglow wildlife v2.12 Flying Seagull by Aeryglow Wildlife v2.12 | Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup. | |
Position: <223.6, 133.3, 37.30>. Tilt South/East: 0/0 Radius: 25 Speed: 30 Sound Volume: 79% | ||
| Flight Turned On. | ||
| Select Operation From Menu,
Use floating text above the base to aid in setup. | ||
| Wolfpup | hey Oz | |
| Office Orb | mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com | |
| Start transcription to oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Transcript will be sent to: oz@lindenlab.com | ||
| Oz Linden | Hi everybody | |
| draconis.neurocam | hey oz | |
| Oz Linden | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group#Agenda | |
| Reminder: Make the viewer-development-builds mailing list archives public | ||
| Youri Ashton | heya oz (sorry, busy filling in a ticket) | |
| Oz Linden | Done. | |
| (finally) | ||
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | \o/ | |
| Thanks :-) | ||
| Oz Linden | OPEN Issue Triage (Oz Linden) | |
| Just one issue on the list today : OPEN-43 | ||
| Office Orb | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-43
OPEN-43 Autobuild2010 package project does not place LindenDeveloper.exe in build-vc100/newview/RelWithDebInfo | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | hmm ... https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/viewer-development-builds/ still asks for login ... | |
| goes back to lists.secondlife.com to see if there's another way to take | ||
| draconis.neurocam | https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/viewer-development-builds | |
| Wolfpup | the only time i got autobuild to work on my system this worked but i was building in release mode not relwithdebuginfo | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | ah, https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ works | |
| Oz Linden | http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/viewer-development-builds/ | |
| This issue is not really clear.... | ||
| Youri Ashton | (done) | |
| hey open :) | ||
| oobscure | hey everybody | |
| Oz Linden | It's possiblle that OPEN-43 is a side effect of a naming bug that I believe is fixed now | |
| Wolfpup | Oz what it looks like is happening is that in the relwithdebuginfo mode the file is not actualy being made | |
| Ima Mechanique | my last RelWithDebInfo build with merov's repo had a LindenDeveloper.exe file | |
| Wolfpup | some one on windows that has a working autobuild environment might need to retest | |
| Ima Mechanique | I have another build running now which should be finished soon(ish) | |
| Oz Linden | the fix was just pulled on Saturday (or maybe Sunday) | |
| Wolfpup | Oz my only sucessful build run in autobuild was done when i reported the font issue | |
| Oz Linden | well, step one is to find out whether the windows installer produced by TeamCity works | |
| if it does, but local builds do not, then we know something about where to look | ||
| I am assuming (though the issue does not actually say so) that the user-visible problem is that the install does not have the right binary in it? | ||
| 07:11 | Wolfpup | actualy it is when the step copying secondlife-bin -> LindenDeveloper sliently fails |
| Oz Linden | not enough context | |
| copying when? as part of the build? | ||
| 07:12 | Wolfpup | yes |
| Oz Linden | ok, well, the TC builds pass, so it's some local problem at most | |
| I'm going to send this back for more info | ||
| Wolfpup | it might be the fact thant the working directory dose not get set right | |
| 07:14 | in my working build i had @ the end of the building of the viewer a step that set the working directory and then fired devenv to mod the sloution | |
| Oz Linden | It's not a good bug report | |
| Wolfpup | but im not on express | |
| 07:15 | Oz Linden | every report should specify the precise environment - for a build problem that means what repo and tip changeset, exactly what command was run, and exactly what error occurred. That issue does not specify any of those |
| Wolfpup | true | |
| 07:16 | Oz Linden | Last item, which is a followup from last Wednesday.... the open developer queue |
| Wolfpup | open developer que ? | |
| 07:17 | Oz Linden | I've decided that what I'm going to do is to add a Label (open-candidate ?) to issues in the STORM Product Backlog |
| 07:18 | that will indicate that those issues are ones that we'd really like open devs to take on (because we want them but for whatever reason Lindens are unlikely to be able to do them soon) | |
| 07:19 | Wolfpup | ok |
| Ima Mechanique | sounds reasonable ;-) | |
| Oz Linden | The goal is to let people know which issues we will certainly review quickly if they're worked on | |
| 07:20 | draconis.neurocam | im sure an indicator of such would be appretiated |
| Oz Linden | I'll add a shared filter for them, and put a link to it on the Snowstorm wiki page | |
| 07:21 | Wolfpup | it would help if those that dowork on a give issue was able to move it as well |
| Oz Linden | That should not be taken to mean that we won't look at other stuff, but those will get you extra brownie points with me :-) | |
| you mean move it from VWR to STORM? | ||
| Wolfpup | or from backlog to current sprint | |
| 07:23 | Oz Linden | VWR -> STORM is a triage decision ... for some things, any Snowstorm team member will be able to do those for you if you just drop us an email |
| for others, we'll have to get wider review | ||
| 07:24 | within LL, I mean | |
| Wolfpup | what if the issue is already on the strom back log ? | |
| Oz Linden | I'm going to be spending a lot of time discussing the VWR triage process this week with our new VP | |
| 07:25 | draconis.neurocam | who is the new vp? |
| Oz Linden | if it's already on the STORM backlog, and you're going to commit to do it for a particular sprint, as long as it won't require major LL work (such as needing substantial UI design from us), the any of us should be able to do that any time | |
| 07:26 | The marketing people would be annoyed with me if I told you his name before they do a formal announcement | |
| draconis.neurocam | ah alright | |
| 07:27 | Oz Linden | But he'll be spending most of this week in the Boston office, and I expect to spend a lot of time with him |
| Selling Snowstorm and Open Source | ||
| draconis.neurocam | thats good news, im sure you will be persuasive | |
| Oz Linden | I've got good data to work from | |
| 07:28 | Ima Mechanique | autobuild RelWithDebInfo just finished LindenDeveloper all present and correct. |
| that's merov's repo updated on Sunday | ||
| Wolfpup | i think if he sees how well storm has progresed the viewer and how much the open source community has helped with issues getting fixed that should help to sell those to the new VP | |
| 07:29 | Oz Linden | but it shouldn't have that name... what is the tip changeset on your repo? |
| Ima Mechanique | hmm, don't know how to find that | |
| Oz Linden | on the command line: hg log -r tip | |
| Ima Mechanique | I'm not much good with hg | |
| Wolfpup | Ima look with HG Repository Explorer it will show the default tip | |
| Ima Mechanique | okay just a sec | |
| 07:30 | বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | just "hg tip" should work, too |
| Ima Mechanique | changeset: 15374:a9dac2f5d7c6
tag: tip parent: 15373:e9b24d6d636c parent: 15372:3731b832df63 user: Merov Linden <merov@lindenlab.com> date: Sat Mar 19 14:53:09 2011 -0700 summary: Sync with merov_linden/viewer-autobuild2010 | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | though, it's usually more interesting what the working dir's parent is, than what the tip is: | |
| hg parent | ||
| 07:31 | Ima Mechanique | parent is the same |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | ok | |
| Oz Linden | actually, do this: hg log -r a64f612d838c | |
| 07:32 | Ima Mechanique | D:\Dev\C++\SL\ab-merov>hg log -r a64f612d838c
changeset: 15362:a64f612d838c parent: 15345:a05787908cb0 user: brad kittenbrink <brad@lindenlab.com> date: Fri Mar 18 19:30:59 2011 -0400 summary: Fix for broken escaping of viewer_channel variable at configuration time. |
| Oz Linden | hmm.... well, you have the fix.... | |
| Wolfpup | Oz curreing tip in merovs repository is changeset a7f1a82d4606 | |
| 07:33 | Oz Linden | sounds like Nickys bug is probably fixed |
| 07:34 | there were a couple of related problems that got fixed very late last week | |
| 07:36 | Ima Mechanique | there were a whole bunch of commits. I read through them before pulling |
| Oz Linden | who's running an autobuilt viewer now? | |
| Ima Mechanique | you mean here on one? | |
| 07:37 | Wolfpup | the autobuilt viewer i had has decreased font size |
| Ima Mechanique | as I do have the new build opened as well , but in Phoenix here | |
| Oz Linden | there's another batch coming as soon as my test build completes | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | I didn't yet manage to build 64bit with autobuild, but I'm almost there, I believe. | |
| Ima Mechanique | Wolfpup, looks like NickyP's suggested fix does the job | |
| Wolfpup | i will have to make the adjust ment nicky did and try a rebuild tonight | |
| 07:38 | ok Ima | |
| draconis.neurocam | i tried the vs2010 beta, but im currently on the latest viewer-dev teamcity build thing | |
| Oz Linden | yes - actually, as far as I've heard the font issue is the worst thing anyone has found | |
| Ima Mechanique | I'm gonna compare the previous build side by side to be sure though | |
| Wolfpup | and i found that | |
| 07:39 | Ima Mechanique | Oz you mean apart from my CTRL+SHIFT+G, I *mis* that toggle and can't work out why it doesn't work for me |
| Oz Linden | I'm working on a rewrite of the Libraries wiki page to bring it up to date and point to the new open repositories for all the dependencies | |
| 07:40 | I didn't mean the font thing was the only problem, but the grid selector won't affect many users | |
| Wolfpup | Oz we need to know also what is on the cygwin for the TC farms as there is a major discrepency between those and the OS devs | |
| Ima Mechanique | I was kidding about it being serious ;-) | |
| seems it's only me suffering with it so likely my end | ||
| 07:41 | বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | has anyone else tested it yet? |
| Oz Linden | Jenn is going to post new Windows setup documentation this week on the wiki - I'll make sure that is there, Wolfpup | |
| draconis.neurocam | woo | |
| Ima Mechanique | yes, TC details would help us not to make suggestions that can't work | |
| Oz Linden | I was running it most of the weekend (mostly just being a SL tourist) | |
| 07:42 | draconis.neurocam | if only more lindens did that oz |
| Ardy Lay | Find anything cool? | |
| Oz Linden | several things | |
| Wolfpup | thx cause i actualy had to edit the build-cmd.sh for the 3p-fmod to get it to make the fmod package | |
| Oz Linden | I've been shopping for cool things to scatter around the Hippo regions | |
| Ima Mechanique | I found a different work around to Wolf | |
| 07:43 | Oz Linden | We have lots of cool wildlife here now :-) |
| Wolfpup | Ima we shouldn't have to use workarounds | |
| Ima Mechanique | I know | |
| draconis.neurocam | watch someone will make breedable hippos | |
| Ima Mechanique | workaround are fine short term, but ar enot long term solutions | |
| Wolfpup | i have some breadable horses | |
| Oz Linden | Hey - a Hippo - why didn't I think of that? | |
| gotta find one.... | ||
| 07:44 | I don't want breedables | |
| Wolfpup | i know they expencive to maintain | |
| Oz Linden | just nice animals that don't require any maintance | |
| Ima Mechanique | yeah breeding hippos would register on the richter scale | |
| Ardy Lay | Somebody gave me a hippo a while back. I don't have a use for it. | |
| 07:45 | Oz Linden | And someone took me on a tour of Avilon - that was cool |
| Wolfpup | there are ridable horses you cant get that are not of the breedable type | |
| Oz Linden | Is it a good one, Ardy? | |
| Ardy Lay | I think it just "swims" in circles. Looks like a gag gift to me. | |
| 07:46 | Wolfpup | Oz you should see the Anichent Dragon Av i have |
| it even come with a sadle so people can ride with me | ||
| Oz Linden | send me a pointer to the Creator for it | |
| Ima Mechanique | Oz does TeamCity refer to the build farm management by Jet Brains? | |
| 07:47 | Oz Linden | yup ... that's what we use to do all our official builds |
| Ardy Lay | It's goofy looking. I put it at Merov's place just now. | |
| Ima Mechanique | and can you tellme which environment it uses msbuild? | |
| Oz Linden | I want one that's a bit less cartoonish | |
| 07:48 | sorry Ima ... I don't understand the question | |
| Ardy Lay | Yeah, looks like an inflated toy. | |
| Ima Mechanique | TeamCity uses build agents to do the building | |
| Oz Linden | yes - we have different agents for the VS 2005 and 2010 builds | |
| 07:49 | Ima Mechanique | I'm wondering which agent it uses for Windows |
| will be using for 2010 I should say ;-) | ||
| Wolfpup | Ima yes it will once the merg happens | |
| Ima Mechanique | I just want to be sure that anything we come up with can be targeted to be minimal problem with TC | |
| 07:50 | Oz Linden | I guess that I still don't understand... you can see what it runs in the autobuild.xml and build.sh files |
| Ardy Lay | Oz, I'd like to know what version of the platform libraries you use on Windows builds. | |
| Oz Linden | that'll be in the documentation Jenn posts, Ardy | |
| Ardy Lay | Thanks | |
| Wolfpup | Ardy they are listed in the autobuild.xml | |
| Ima Mechanique | ah, but I don't see if it's using msbuild, the GUI, or any of several other ways to leverage VC2010 | |
| Oz Linden | I think Ardy meant the MSVC libs | |
| 07:51 | Ardy Lay | Yes |
| Oz Linden | Ima - right now, it's running devenv | |
| Ardy Lay | Oh, hmm... | |
| Wolfpup | btw Oz it seems that the boost files are not current in the autobuild.xml compared to what is listed on the servers | |
| Ima Mechanique | Oz I'll read through the TC documentation again and get you a more specific question ;-) | |
| 07:52 | Oz Linden | ok |
| Ima Mechanique | oh, think you've answered me. Could it use the msbuild? | |
| Wolfpup | and the Tc farms set up for Visual Studio 8 2005 right now | |
| Ardy Lay | Microsoft Windows SDK version is what I am asking. | |
| Oz Linden | If you can find a way to run command line buillds under autobuild that works for all editions of VS, that would be a great contribution | |
| 07:53 | I will set up builds to try whatever you come up with on our TC | |
| Wolfpup | Oz msbuild is what is working | |
| Ima Mechanique | that's what I'm hoping. I know TC will run with msbuild, and so will VCE with latest SDK | |
| 07:54 | that would essentially remove any difference and simplify matters quite a bit on Windows | |
| Oz Linden | That would let us reduce the number of configurations in the autobuilld.xml | |
| Ima Mechanique | yes | |
| there would effectively be little or no difference between OS and TC and VCE | ||
| 07:55 | Wolfpup | we would still need the OS options but the VC10's could be merged into the normal OS options |
| Ima Mechanique | something we'd all appreciate I think ;-) | |
| Oz Linden | If you come up with something, open an issue and link it to OPEN-1 | |
| Office Orb | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-1
OPEN-1 autobuild requires custom configurations for use with Visual Studio Express | |
| 07:56 | Wolfpup | Oz i beleave some of it has already gon into merovs repository |
| Oz Linden | just a few minutes left ... any other issues? | |
| Ima Mechanique | okay | |
| 07:57 | বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | Should to standalone configuration attemp a 32bit build by default, or a native one? |
| 07:58 | Wolfpup | default standalone for now is 32 isnt it |
| Oz Linden | The real answer is that I don't care. | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | ok | |
| 07:59 | Oz Linden | We never do standalone builds |
| 08:00 | Office Orb | Your timer has expired! |
| Oz Linden | I've got another meeting.... see you all soon. | |
| বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে | Wolfpup, yes, current default is 32. But I think it could easily be changed to native by just not defining WORD_SIZE in the configuration. | |
| Ima Mechanique | okay, bye Oz |