Mesh/Archive/2011-04-18

Transcript for Monday April 18, 2011

[11:03]	Charlar Linden	OK, Ready to start?
[11:03]	Asha	Sure thing
[11:03]	Ariel Erlanger	let's do!
[11:04]	Charlar Linden	First item: For what reason is bone length data not honored by the importer? It is very likely BVH hacks will be used if this is not supported officially, something that has been stated that the mesh team doesn't wish to see.
[11:04]	Racush	gogogo
[11:04]	Prep Linden	So, I've looked into this issue and I'm not opposed to adding code for importing both scale and rotations for bones to the importer -
[11:04]	Yellow Alloy	yes!
[11:04]	Asha	Sweet ^^
[11:04]	Prep Linden	Tiberius just file a jira and we'll prioritize the work.
[11:04]	Yellow Alloy	/me growls
[11:05]	Prep Linden	I think it's a good suggestion and should streamline content generation here.
[11:05]	Aki	Tiberious has issues with JIRA.
[11:05]	Aki	:P
[11:05]	Asha	haha
[11:05]	Vivienne Daguerre	Wonderful :D
[11:05]	Yellow Alloy	I didn't, up until December 12, 2010
[11:05]	Asha	I'll file it if you want Tiberious
[11:05]	Yellow Alloy	please do
[11:06]	Asha	okie
[11:06]	Charlar Linden	next?
[11:06]	Prep Linden	Thanks Asha
[11:06]	Charlar Linden	It seems that a minimum 0.5 prim physics cost per linkset component now overrides the 0.1 per prim for "perfect" prims used for physics shape. This is a 5x increase in cost. Boxes now cost more than their hull equivalent (0.36). Is this deliberate? [Drongle McMahon]
[11:06]	Asha	No problem
[11:07]	Charlar Linden	Our accounting algos are still in flux. We'll let you know when they're in a shape that we can start getting good feedback from you all.
[11:08]	Drongle McMahon	OK. Count that as advance feedback.
[11:08]	Ariel Erlanger	is there like a guiding philosphy behind how you want these algorthims to end up? are you trying to match rendering or network costs with existing assets for example?
[11:08]	Charlar Linden	noted
[11:09]	Charlar Linden	Ariel, more on that later
[11:09]	Ariel Erlanger	ok!
[11:10]	Nyx Linden	we are looking at a number of options and we will ask for your help :)
[11:11]	Charlar Linden	next?
[11:11]	Charlar Linden	Please give an update on physics (collision) shapes and costs. Can we have the physics cost in the upload floater p;ease? [Drongle McMahon].
[11:11]	Drongle McMahon	That is because I have all sorts of unreproducible physics-shape dependent problems on some sims and not others!
[11:11]	Drongle McMahon	p;ease = please
[11:11]	Yellow Alloy	yeah. Physics is absolutely insane anymore
[11:12]	davep	The hold up on getting the cost into the viewer is pulling the relevant code out of the simulator, and that's tied to havok at the moment
[11:12]	davep	but we've got it pulled out and ready for integration, so that should be in "soon"
[11:12]	Nyx Linden	as always, any prim cost algorithms aren't final yet, but we are working to get that information in the upload floater :)
[11:12]	Drongle McMahon	OK. What about rezzing poblems that are very unreproducible? How should I jira such thingd?
[11:13]	Yellow Alloy	this thing here?
[11:13]	Yellow Alloy	the pin? 10 prims... all from physics costs
[11:13]	davep	good question -- making a jira for a bug with no solid repro is always tricky
[11:13]	davep	but the sim devs are actively working on a number of rez issues
[11:13]	Drongle McMahon	I took a whole day trying to make reproducible cases.
[11:14]	Yellow Alloy	I mean, it's GOT pretty much the best LODs I can give it
[11:14]	Drongle McMahon	Like things that appear in Show physics shape but don't collide?
[11:15]	Yellow Alloy	but to have 10 of them would cost 100 prims
[11:15]	davep	it does have a very complex physics shape
[11:16]	Yellow Alloy	only 3 hulls
[11:16]	davep	yes, but those hulls have lots of points
[11:16]	Yellow Alloy	hm
[11:16]	davep	the number of points in the hull matters
[11:16]	davep	try uising one of the lower LoDs for a basis for the physics rep
[11:16]	Yellow Alloy	how can the physics be knocked down lower points, with the same general collision?
[11:17]	davep	or better yet, model a physics shape in blender that has as few points as possible
[11:17]	Yellow Alloy	hmm
[11:17]	Yellow Alloy	I'd have to go into Wings...
[11:17]	Yellow Alloy	but it MIGHT be doable
[11:17]	davep	you could also use a cylinder and a sphere for the top two hulls
[11:17]	davep	(use prims)
[11:18]	Yellow Alloy	I'm not so sure
[11:18]	Yellow Alloy	we'll see
[11:18]	Drongle McMahon	What about using the decomkposer? I had some cases where a simple mesh was xheaper to use without decomposition that with it. (it wa already a set of convex hulls)
[11:18]	draconis.neurocam	that shape could nearly be 1 prim physics wise with some prim magic
[11:18]	Charlar Linden	next item?
[11:18]	Charlar Linden	Update on the state of physics decomposition
[11:19]	Drongle McMahon	I don't like linking physics prims 'cos they can get unlinked. but it can be MUCH cheaper.
[11:19]	davep	great use of sample content to drive discussion, BTW
[11:19]	Nyx Linden	its public! https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/llconvexdecomposition
[11:19]	Nyx Linden	that's all the code we wrote for decomp, no havok code attached so it won't build
[11:19]	Nyx Linden	the stub still builds from it if you need a working lib to link in
[11:19]	Yellow Alloy	who's holding it?
[11:20]	Yellow Alloy	hmm
[11:20]	Yellow Alloy	mmk
[11:21]	Yellow Alloy	I'll see what I can do
[11:21]	davep	third party viewer devs, use the above repo as the interface for your own decimator (if you want to use qhull or similar)
[11:21]	davep	er, decomposer, even
[11:22]	davep	basically, you must implement that interface for your viewer to be able to upload meshes
[11:23]	Charlar Linden	next:
[11:23]	Drongle McMahon	I thought decomposition was going to be required, but I can still upload my own physics mesh without using it. I guess it uses the triangles. Is that going to stay that way?
[11:24]	davep	Latif: what "consequences" are you concerned about speciifcally?
[11:24]	Yellow Alloy	builders kits, I'd think
[11:24]	Yellow Alloy	I'm also concerned about the loss of the mesh asset
[11:25]	davep	Drongle: when you click "upload" without a decomposition, the importer automatically makes one for you
[11:25]	Yellow Alloy	...people can sell sculpt maps, so why shouldn't we be able to sell mesh assets?
[11:25]	davep	using the llconvexdecomposition lib
[11:25]	Drongle McMahon	Can't sell mesh assets inworld. Outside, you lose permissions system.
[11:25]	Nyx Linden	you can sell mesh objects, or can dell the collada files
[11:25]	Nyx Linden	*sell
[11:25]	Drongle McMahon	Bur, Runitai, it doesn't make a convex hull ..... just a collection of them?
[11:26]	davep	builders kits still work, but it will just be a collection of copy/mod objects instead of a copyable texture
[11:26]	Vivienne Daguerre	he makes a good point. Importing collada files may be too intimidating to non-mesh builders who want to use mesh kits to make their own creations and show them as creator.
[11:26]	Drongle McMahon	It's not the same as Analyse with no simpl;ification .... dfifefrent costs.
[11:26]	Nyx Linden	that's fine, builders kits can still exist as copy and mod objects
[11:27]	davep	drongle: if you read the code, there's the ability to do both
[11:27]	Vivienne Daguerre	but they will not show the kit purchaser as the creator of the final item
[11:27]	Ariel Erlanger	the creator issue is one i've run up against too. not just for athestic reasons, but if you appear as the creator of someone else's finished item, it's confusing for the customer of that item to determine who to ask for help, etc.
[11:27]	Yellow Alloy	agreed
[11:27]	Vivienne Daguerre	which could be a pain for the creators of the mesh kits, because if they show as creator they are going to get IMs from customers of the customer, wanting support
[11:27]	Ariel Erlanger	ideally the builder would link your prims in after they make their own base prim so the linkset is "created" by them but that unfortunately isn't always the case.
[11:27]	Nyx Linden	you can include it as the non-root prim of a linkset correct?
[11:27]	Asha	That's very true.
[11:27]	davep	to be blunt, if you're using a builder kit, you're NOT the creator
[11:28]	Ariel Erlanger	semantically i agree with you, but let's say you buy a shoe from someone who used a mesh from my kit
[11:28]	Vivienne Daguerre	Ariel, that is a good work around, will have to instruct people to do that
[11:28]	Yellow Alloy	now that, davep, I'm going to call bull on
[11:28]	Drongle McMahon	Anyway, the end user can unlink it.
[11:28]	Brookston Holiday	Wow Dave. To be blunt, any other company would listen to feedback from the people using there product, ande take more than 30 seconds to tell them why they are wrong.
[11:28]	Ann Otoole	use a notecard. maybe get the main languages translated.
[11:28]	Ariel Erlanger	if you need customer support you really want to be talking to the person who built the shoe, not me.
[11:28]	Vivienne Daguerre	or let us say you buy a house with a mesh window that I made and sold as part of a kit, and you have a problem with the house... I don't want you IMing me for support, but the one who used my kit to make the house.
[11:29]	Ranya Palmer	i had that happen to me a few times
[11:29]	Yellow Alloy	there's a skill set that DOES take parts and fashion them into a new whole, and they're every bit a creator as the one who made the parts in the first place
[11:29]	Vivienne Daguerre	just something to consider...
[11:29]	Ann Otoole	anyway i don't see it as a major issue. people have been selling clothes templates and delivering psd files for years.
[11:29]	Ariel Erlanger	it's not like a deal killing issue but if there isn't a cost associated with having the mesh asset then it could be avoided.
[11:30]	Asha	Why has the mesh asset been removed?
[11:30]	Nyx Linden	its a valid use case. We need a better mechanism for stating who the end user should contact for support with an item
[11:30]	Charlar Linden	It seems like the problem is not specifically about mesh, it's about consumers knowing who to contact with issues.
[11:30]	davep	ok, I'm over reaching on what qualifies as a creator, point taken
[11:30]	Charlar Linden	Like Nyx said :-)
[11:30]	Aki	/me would LOVE a 'support contact' property :D
[11:30]	Ariel Erlanger	well this is just the one example of a problem we've been able to think of on the spot, i don't want to exclude the possibility that there might be other use problems.
[11:30]	davep	/me attempts to remove foot from mouth.
[11:30]	Charlar Linden	We'll take that and think about what we can do.
[11:30]	Yellow Alloy	precisely
[11:30]	Ann Otoole	well if someone buys a collada file and then mods it why should the original creator be bothered?
[11:31]	Asha	Question: Was there a reason mesh asset was removed?
[11:31]	Ariel Erlanger	i would love to sell the collada files but then you get into this whole issue of outside-world sales.
[11:31]	Racush	maybe some way to better show collaborative builds in that reguard?
[11:31]	Ariel Erlanger	you need some kind of infrastructure to distribute those files for example.
[11:31]	Yellow Alloy	yeah
[11:31]	davep	there are a few reasons why the asset was removed:
[11:31]	draconis.neurocam	thats a meta issue racush, but yes very much still a problem
[11:31]	Yellow Alloy	out-of-world sales == no L$ transactions
[11:31]	Asha	People already distribute PSD files
[11:32]	Drongle McMahon	To stop illegitimate copying? To stop hiding of creator of stolen objects?
[11:32]	davep	technically, there are assumptions the simulator needs to make about meshes that makes it impossible to change the mesh asset once the object is rezzed without causing significant simulator stability and performance issues
[11:32]	Ann Otoole	out of SL sales are going to happen. more and more as time goes on. licensing relative to what grid will become important.
[11:32]	Nyx Linden	to prevent modification of mesh assets so that we can always identify who uploaded the mesh, to assist with IP takedown
[11:32]	davep	so if you had the asset in inventory, there's no technically "safe" way to apply it to a mesh inworld
[11:32]	Asha	Ah ok Dave..thanks
[11:33]	Brookston Holiday	makes sense
[11:33]	Yellow Alloy	oh
[11:33]	Yellow Alloy	okay
[11:33]	Ann Otoole	ah yes id who uploaded. hey and can we get last modded too? like for scripts?
[11:33]	Yellow Alloy	...drag-and-drop crashing sims... gotcha
[11:33]	Drongle McMahon	Sound like good reasons to me.
[11:33]	Racush	yeah
[11:33]	Asha	That does sound like a very valis reason not to have them.
[11:33]	Asha	*valid
[11:33]	Nyx Linden	so its a side issue, but a completely valid one, that we need to let people know who to contact for support
[11:34]	Charlar Linden	Excellent - so let's move on
[11:34]	Drongle McMahon	So we need inworld and marketplace provision for selling Collada files for L$?
[11:34]	Yellow Alloy	I mean, all it would take to bury someone is to make a shoddy product, have a prim created by them as the root, and put it out there
[11:34]	Ariel Erlanger	or sell meshed out prims.
[11:35]	Brookston Holiday	aren't collada files just large notecards?
[11:35]	Drongle McMahon	How large is a norecard?
[11:35]	Ariel Erlanger	but if there's a compelling technical reason why using the assets is unstable then it is what it is ^^
[11:35]	Yellow Alloy	true
[11:35]	davep	up to 8MB, I think
[11:35]	Asha	You can sale them the same way people sell PSD files. Nothing new there.
[11:35]	Drongle McMahon	ok that would do.
[11:35]	Brookston Holiday	How do people sell PSD files, email?
[11:35]	NielArcher	notecards are up to 64Kb
[11:36]	Charlar Linden	next: Can you give us an update on recent progress, what your current priorities are, and what if anything you need us to test? [Vivienne Daguerre]
[11:36]	Drongle McMahon	Oh no. 64k is no good.
[11:36]	Nyx Linden	I'm still hammering away on render cost modifications
[11:37]	Charlar Linden	We're getting REALLY close to finishing the merge of the disabled code into trunk on both the viewer and server side
[11:37]	Nyx Linden	hammering out a few issues with the vs2010 changeover
[11:38]	davep	we'll be merging bitbucket.org/seraph/mesh-development-vs2010 into hg.secondlife.com/mesh-development
[11:38]	Ann Otoole	psd files are delivered in ways relative to what resources the creator has. they range from email to mega download sites changing passwords daily to technical systems that use a private website to deliver download tokens.
[11:38]	davep	then making a fork of mesh-development to do a stability pass, and then merge that into trunk
[11:39]	draconis.neurocam	trunk being viewer-development?
[11:39]	Nyx Linden	correct
[11:39]	Drongle McMahon	That should be fun
[11:39]	Nyx Linden	so once we merge the 2010 changes down, we'll want some eyes on the result to help with our stability pass
[11:40]	Brookston Holiday	So, down to weeks/months?
[11:40]	Drongle McMahon	How about the serverS?
[11:40]	davep	the disabled code to viewer-development
[11:40]	davep	merge to viewer-development != mesh release
[11:41]	davep	but it's a vital step in that direction
[11:41]	davep	a major milestone
[11:41]	Yellow Alloy	yeah
[11:41]	davep	cause for celebration and all that
[11:41]	Vivienne Daguerre	Woo-hoo-hoo!!
[11:41]	Asha	hehe
[11:41]	Nyx Linden	one step closer :)
[11:41]	Charlar Linden	next: Are we there yet? Can you give us any kind of rough estimate of ETA? [Vivienne Daguerre]
[11:41]	davep	and it means we can get back to making mesh better
[11:41]	Charlar Linden	No, we are not there yet.
[11:41]	Charlar Linden	As for an ETA...
[11:42]	Nyx Linden	When its done.
[11:42]	Yellow Alloy	ballpark it, please?
[11:42]	Bloodsong Termagant	well, how many milestones are there?
[11:42]	Charlar Linden	before the end of a year
[11:42]	Vivienne Daguerre	:P @ Nyx
[11:42]	Vivienne Daguerre	before the end of this year, 2011?
[11:42]	Brookston Holiday	"a" year lol
[11:42]	Ann Otoole	hahah
[11:43]	Charlar Linden	Seriously, we know you do really need to know, but we still have a few big items in flux, so we can't say for sure yet.
[11:43]	Aki	everyone should just move over to Aditi.
[11:43]	Aki	:P
[11:43]	Asha	lol
[11:43]	Ariel Erlanger	maybe we could talk about what those big items are? just sort of like a state of the development roadmap?
[11:43]	Charlar Linden	We'll make every effort to give you as much information as we have
[11:43]	Yellow Alloy	a general idea would be helpful, yes
[11:43]	Vivienne Daguerre	thanks
[11:43]	Charlar Linden	I get it, and I really want to start giving you a timeframe.
[11:44]	Ann Otoole	so basically i need to plan on upgrading my gtx 240 to at least gtx 480 by the end of the year. this viewer is overloading the gtx240 unless i turn off most cool stuff.
[11:44]	Vivienne Daguerre	the longer it takes, the more mesh I will have ready to stock my store up when it happens.
[11:44]	Charlar Linden	It's just not fair to the engineers
[11:44]	Yellow Alloy	I know
[11:44]	Drongle McMahon	Yes. A list of hurdles would be interesting and maybe even useful.
[11:44]	Charlar Linden	It's also not fair to your all - we'll balance that.
[11:44]	Yellow Alloy	that's why we're wanting a tentative date... nothing carved in stone, just written in pencil
[11:44]	Drongle McMahon	Ann. Yes.....my 240 got cooked.
[11:45]	Drongle McMahon	440 is much cooler and still low power.
[11:45]	Nyx Linden	problem is a missed deadline, even written in pencil, is bad
[11:45]	Yellow Alloy	hell, even ebtter, chalk on the board. Something easily rewritten, so we have an idea how much time we have to develop stuff
[11:45]	draconis.neurocam	(x60- or up only for me)
[11:45]	Yellow Alloy	change it on the fly... we don't care
[11:45]	Vivienne Daguerre	We love mesh and we are excited and eager for it. We appreciate your hard work.
[11:46]	Charlar Linden	ok, next?
[11:46]	Yellow Alloy	like we've said, we're looking for a GENERAL timeline
[11:46]	Yellow Alloy	uhh...
[11:46]	Ariel Erlanger	i don't even really need a timeframe, but i would like to know what those big obstacles are.
[11:46]	Ann Otoole	so is any consideration being applied to the rapid decline of personal computers? even best buy is scaling back support for personal computers and concentrating on tablets and iphones around here. Future not looking real bright for personal computers at the moment.
[11:46]	Yellow Alloy	since the agenda has kinda run out... got a kinda stupid question
[11:47]	Charlar Linden	Yellow - I will get that out to you all as soon as I can.
[11:47]	Charlar Linden	We still have one
[11:47]	Nyx Linden	we have good statistics on what hardware people are actually using to log on to SL with, and we want to make sure we can run on that hardware
[11:47]	Charlar Linden	What is the thinking right now about L$ upload cost of meshes? [Brookston Holiday]
[11:47]	Charlar Linden	We're thinking it'd be good
[11:47]	Asha	Good question
[11:48]	Yellow Alloy	oh
[11:48]	Brookston Holiday	Like 10L$ per prim equivalient, or 1L$ or 100L$???
[11:48]	Drongle McMahon	But Nyx, surely if they can;t log on, you can't see them?
[11:48]	And all i got was this lousy DN	10K
[11:48]	Brookston Holiday	10K, fair-nuff
[11:48]	And all i got was this lousy DN	:P
[11:49]	Brookston Holiday	Unrelated:(ANyone else having trouble cam-ing close to Racush's kick ass avatar? It's like when I alt-click it focuses on the ground around instead.)
[11:49]	Drongle McMahon	You can see an upload cost in the Develop\|Show Info\|Show upload Cost .... iof you bwant to be frightened.
[11:49]	Racush	try my nametag
[11:50]	Brookston Holiday	no dice
[11:50]	Yellow Alloy	and whent he agenda does actually run dry, I'd like to ask my kinda stupid, more LDPW-type (but mesh-related) question...
[11:50]	Asha	The nametag worked
[11:51]	Ann Otoole	yea i cammed Racush. Racush proves Cthulu is feasible. But the lack of tail and tentacle rigging is a bummer.
[11:51]	Yellow Alloy	LOL!
[11:51]	Brookston Holiday	hmmm.. the benches are 180L$ wow
[11:51]	Racush	XD
[11:51]	davep	probably not accurate
[11:51]	Charlar Linden	We do want to encourage uploads; we will generally use it to offset server costs and present an obstacle to 'giefer' type mass uploading
[11:52]	davep	I think the debug display just takes the streaming cost and multiplies by 10
[11:52]	davep	(i.e. no basis in reality)
[11:52]	Yellow Alloy	good
[11:52]	Charlar Linden	The numbers will be at least somewhat dependant on complexity
[11:52]	Drongle McMahon	What server costs? You need new servers for mesh?
[11:52]	And all i got was this lousy DN	hiya dan
[11:52]	davep	server costs == storage and streaming
[11:52]	Drongle McMahon	ok
[11:53]	Brookston Holiday	wait, what does teir ==???
[11:53]	Brookston Holiday	tier
[11:53]	Nyx Linden	storing and streaming 500k doesn't cost much, but doing it a million times adds up :)
[11:54]	davep	tier pays for the actual sim host and non-asset associated bandwidth and services
[11:54]	davep	(take my words here with a grain of salt)
[11:54]	Brookston Holiday	IC
[11:54]	Drongle McMahon	And there was me thinking it payed your salaries!
[11:54]	Latif Khalifa	tier overpays 20x the cost of server ;) it's mostly paying for linden salaries ::)
[11:55]	Nyx Linden	and asset hosting costs are larger than you'd think :)
[11:55]	Ann Otoole	hopefully some vietnamese bbq and beer too
[11:55]	Ariel Erlanger	mesh developer salaries!
[11:55]	Nyx Linden	there's a lot of content we need to store that you guys have created :)
[11:55]	Yellow Alloy	/me smiles
[11:55]	draconis.neurocam	i would think the bandwidth would be the most costly
[11:56]	Yellow Alloy	and thankfully, Emerald/Phoenix seems to have saved more... reducing failed uploads
[11:56]	Ann Otoole	and with loss of net neutrality we get to be charged for recieving the streams. double charging gambit.
[11:56]	Yellow Alloy	(unless temporary uploads still cost you guys space)
[11:57]	Nyx Linden	but yeah, long story short we don't have hard numbers on what upload fees will be
[11:57]	Yellow Alloy	mmk
[11:57]	Drongle McMahon	Oh yes. Uploads that work but can't rez .... we need a money-back = delete all copies thingy.
[11:57]	Brookston Holiday	soooo.... somewhere between 1 and 10L$/prim?
[11:57]	Yellow Alloy	hopefully they'll be reasonable
[11:57]	Nyx Linden	unknown yet Brookston
[11:57]	Ariel Erlanger	is it safe to assume they'll be tied to object complexity?
[11:57]	Brookston Holiday	kk
[11:57]	Nyx Linden	complexity will be a factor
[11:57]	Nyx Linden	that is safe to assume
[11:58]	Nyx Linden	(we do want to encourage efficient building :) )
[11:58]	Drongle McMahon	Between 0 and 1000000/prim, Brookstone.
[11:58]	Ariel Erlanger	^^
[11:58]	Brookston Holiday	You're a good estimator
[11:58]	Nyx Linden	and hopefully we will block any uploads that won't rez.
[11:59]	Nyx Linden	(keeping in mind beta assets we have the right to break in the meantime :) )
[11:59]	Drongle McMahon	I guess we will still be able to test on Aditi?
[11:59]	Eleanora Newell	why don't you give us a means to store our things offworld, would dramatically cut down on what you store for us here inworld?
[11:59]	Nyx Linden	Drongle - of course
[11:59]	Brookston Holiday	I wonder if it will be a significant new L$ "sink" or just replace sculpty uploads...
[12:00]	Nyx Linden	elanora - not a bad idea, one that's come up before, but easier said than done :)
[12:00]	Ann Otoole	if they don't "encourage efficient models" then a lot of vid cards will likely fry making many very upset.
[12:00]	Vivienne Daguerre	I think $1L per prim equivalent would be fair
[12:00]	davep	Eleanora: a few reasons, security and reliability for one -- how would you like it if anyone inworld could get your IP just by wearing a texture hosted on their server?
[12:00]	Brookston Holiday	free to anyone who made a jira during beta
[12:00]	Eleanora Newell	understood, nyx, but with the cost of storage, one worth pursuing
[12:00]	Asha	Sculpties are already 10L per prim though.
[12:01]	Yellow Alloy	Vivienne: Streaming, Physics, or both?
[12:01]	Vivienne Daguerre	final result, combination of all the above
[12:01]	Ann Otoole	and some things look perfectly fine with sculpties. you don't have to mesh everything.
[12:01]	Charlar Linden	Hey guys, we're out of time, and I've got to get to another meeting. Thanks a bunch for all the good feedback.
[12:01]	Yellow Alloy	mmk
[12:01]	Charlar Linden	bye
[12:01]	Ariel Erlanger	thanks for hosting!
[12:02]	Yellow Alloy	darn... ah well
[12:02]	Vivienne Daguerre	if you build a house with 100 prims, that is pretty efficient... would not be right to charge 1000 L to upload it
[12:02]	Asha	Adios Lindens
[12:02]	davep	thanks for the discussion!
[12:02]	Nyx Linden	thanks for coming everyone!
[12:02]	Brookston Holiday	Thanks Lindens
[12:02]	Charlar Linden	see you next week.
[12:02]	Ariel Erlanger	it's a date
[12:02]	Eleanora Newell	if it's something we make, so that it would be similar to the sculpts we upload, not things we buy off others, that would be possible, wouldn't it? most of us with large inventories have them because we are builders

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