Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-04-20

13:06	Oz Linden	Hmmm.... I'm going to have to work on the Windlight settings here (trying out the project viewer - it's really gloomy here now)
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13:07	Oz Linden	So... our agenda is empty
13:08	Ima Mechanique	oops, nearly missed this
		hi all
	Oz Linden	I am probably going to want to cut this a little short today....
	Ima Mechanique	okay I can add something to the agenda ;-)
13:09	Oz Linden	but we've got some time ... so what's up?
		since the agenda is empty, let's just do it
	Ima Mechanique	autobuild - setting a configuration in an env var...
	Ann Otoole	must go somewhere else. good seeing everyone anyway.
	Ima Mechanique	should that only be used if no configuration is specified?
13:10	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	tc, Ann
	Oz Linden	the precedence is 1) command line -c switch, 2) env var, 3) default from the config file
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	that order makes sense
13:11	Ima Mechanique	okay, but if it is specified as -c switch the env-var should be ignored?
	Oz Linden	correct
	Ima Mechanique	not ran AS WELL
	Oz Linden	right
	Ima Mechanique	well it's not working correctly, at least on Windows
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	:-\
	Ima Mechanique	I haven't tracked down why yet
13:12		but if I supply a different -c on the command line it runs both
	Oz Linden	what config are you running?
	Ima Mechanique	regardless of whether the command is configure or build
		I have RelWithDebInfoOS set as default in env-var
13:13	Oz Linden	what if you don't specify an env var? does it still run both?
	Ima Mechanique	and I was running ReleaseOS on command line
		if I unset the CAUTOBUILD_CONFIG_FILE it behaves normally
13:14		at first I thought it was the oops not FILE, CONFIGURATION
	Oz Linden	wait... there are two independent things here....
		AUTOBUILD_CONFIG_FILE selects the file (defaults to autobuild.xml)
	Ima Mechanique	at first I thought it might be the CONFIG_FILE setting,I'd forggoten setting the type too
	Oz Linden	AUTOBUILD_CONFIGURATION selects the configuration name
13:15	Ima Mechanique	yes, CONFIG_FILE seems fine
		it's the default AUTOBUILD_CONFIGURATION which seems to cause the problem
13:16		only started looking through the python short while ago, so I don't know why yet
	Oz Linden	well, I'm going to be very surprised if that's the problem
	Ima Mechanique	well I have no idea where else to look
	Oz Linden	but anything is possible... there is some recursion in this thing
13:17		I'm not discouraging you from looking
		good luck
		I'd focus on a creating a carefully documented repro
	Ima Mechanique	I was thinking it might be an unintended side effect of being able to run more than one configuration i.e. with --all
	Ashiri Sands	I didn't have any idea where to look either
	Oz Linden	it's possible
13:18		I have long suspected that the windows builds do something like this (would explain why they take so long)
		what I'm skeptical of is that the env var is part of the problem
13:19	Ima Mechanique	yeah, it was a shock to find my build hadn't finished after 90 minutes when normally it's around 60 now
	Oz Linden	unless of course they work in some odd way on Windows....
	Ima Mechanique	only happens it it is set, so has to be a contributing factor at least
13:20	Oz Linden	like I said.... document a repro so that we can see it here
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	On a related note, if you give pass-through option to 'autobuild build' after '--' and if you do not specify '--no-configure', those options are passed to both, the configuration command and the build command.
13:21	Ima Mechanique	okay, will do. but there's nothing more to add I think.
	Oz Linden	not surprising
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	So, if you want to pass '-j3' to make, it'd also get passed to cmake.
	Oz Linden	I"m not really sure that I understand why the configure step is re-run at all
		a well-crafted bug report on that would be welcome
13:22	Ima Mechanique	it's only rerun if you've worked on your code. normal operation (for TC, etc) would be to just issue the build command
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Well, I'm not quite sure what the expected behavior would be. It looks like the configuration step is run be default to enable a complete build with a single command.
13:23	Oz Linden	may be... I have not asked the developers yet
		I normally use --no-configure
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Maybe passing additional options should imply --no-configure
13:24		or we have to separate pass-through options for the build command from pass-through options for the configure command ...
13:25	Oz Linden	if someone writes up the issue, I'll try to get an answer....
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	e.g. "autobuild build -- -DLLTESTS=FALSE -- -j3"
		ok, I'll file an issue on that, then.
13:28		Is there any chance for OPEN-38 to get pulled?
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-38 OPEN-38 Fixes for viewer-autobuild for standalone
	Kadah	Oz, did your dog get in to someone's stash? He seems a little too excited out there.. or he really really loves that tree
13:30	Oz Linden	I'll try to get a look next week at the various STANDALONE accomdations
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Cool, thx.
	Oz Linden	It's going to be behind getting the contributor build farm up, though
13:31		because once that's up, you can do your own test builds to see if you've busted non-standalone
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	:-)
	Oz Linden	and I get to reduce the number of builds I do
	Ima Mechanique	lol
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	How's that coming along, btw.?
13:32	Oz Linden	Making progress.... getting the macs and the network for them set up today
	Ima Mechanique	how many machines are you getting, all told?
13:33	Oz Linden	3 macs, 1 central server to run the TeamCity build master, plus dynamic EC2 instances for the Linux and Windows builds
	Ima Mechanique	nice
13:34	Kadah	Is there any documentation on the TeamCity setup?
		I toyed with it, but didn't get far
	Oz Linden	will probably set up things so that there are at most 3 linux builds at a time, probably 6 or 9 for windows because they are so much slower
	Ima Mechanique	only the manuals at the Team City web site ;-)
	Oz Linden	Once it exists, I'll put docs on the wiki
		will need to have it up to get the names and screen shots correct
13:35	Kadah	Thanks, I'm considering setting up one for myself
	Oz Linden	most of the setup will be done for you with templates, same as we have internally
		basically to create a build you instantiate each template and hook them together
	Ima Mechanique	look forward to it
	Oz Linden	takes a few minutes, but once you have one set up it's really easy to reuse
13:37	Ima Mechanique	glad to see the OPEN-50 stuff in main repo ;-)
		one tiny thing, though. ;-)
	Oz Linden	?
13:38	Ima Mechanique	I didn't get into the contributions.txt :-)
	Oz Linden	really? ooops
	Ima Mechanique	that commit fell through the cracks with all the hassle that open-50 turned out to be
	Oz Linden	I have one other thing to fix in there; will push both fixes later
13:39	Ima Mechanique	no hurry
		more interested in OPEN-61 getting in ;-)
13:40		so I don't have to keep "fixing" my local repo
	Oz Linden	one of my todo's is to fix the About box so that it gets the names from contributions.txt
13:41	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	automatically?
13:42	Oz Linden	Well, at build time
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	(that'd mean we have to re-compile (and re-link!) the viewer for each change in that file)
	Zi Ree	Doesn't take long for a simple change in about.
	Oz Linden	well, presumably you only change that file when you've changed something else....
13:44	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	well, one issue with editing about directly is you have to do it 8 or so times, one fore eash language...
	Oz Linden	I suppose I could extract the names into a file that then gets installed with the viewer and read them at run time....
	Zi Ree	This idea could solve it easily.
	Oz Linden	had not worked that out
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	pulling from the txt file would simplify that
13:45	Oz Linden	I also want to fix the fact that the icons are the same for all the viewer types (release, beta, project, development, test)
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Tankmaster, the name list is translated? That doesn't make much sense.
	Oz Linden	I have new icons for them... just have to get them into the build
13:46	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	its list of names is hard coded, at least current;y
	Zi Ree	The name list is part of other text as well, like "The following residents made it possible ..."
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	^
	Ashiri Sands	colour-coded according to type?
	Oz Linden	yup
		not so clever
	Zi Ree	There should be a placeholder like "[CONTRIBUTORS], and [LAST_CONTRIBUTOR]".
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	agreed
13:47	Oz Linden	the icons are not radically different, but they are distictive
		I normally have 4 installed and sometimes a 5th, so it would certainly help me
13:50	Ima Mechanique	I try to keep mine down to one of each ;-)
		one Phoenix, one, Firestorm, one v2, one v2-dev
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I usually start the viewer from the command line, so icons won't help me much ...
13:51	Oz Linden	yeah, well, they pay me to look at a lot of release streams
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	:-)
	Ima Mechanique	I don't install the builds I do, so same about icons. Only v2 I install is the PO builds usually
	Oz Linden	need to pack up a bit early folks... see you next time
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	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	tc