Bug triage/2008-05-28/Transcript

Agenda

[15:02] CG Linden: Hi Bridie
[15:02] Torley Linden: In tha hizzouse! =)
[15:02] Bridie Linden: and a Pastrami?
[15:02] Pastrami Linden: :)
[15:02] Torley Linden: Heya Bridie, Alexa, Pastami, CG, Bambers, Gellan, Harleen!
[15:02] Bridie Linden: and a CG...
[15:02] Pastrami Linden: moved some things around, should be able to stick around for the first 30 mins
[15:02] Bambers Linden: afternoon Torley
[15:02] Alexa Linden: Smoking Volcano hats! It's Torley ^^
[15:02] Torley Linden: it's all rezzing in... wheee
[15:02] Bridie Linden: yay!
[15:02] Torley Linden: hahaha Alexa, this is a replica of Mount G'al! fit to wear and all that!
[15:02] Bridie Linden: Great, thx all for coming...
[15:03] Alexa Linden: grins
[15:03] Torley Linden: hey Infinity!
[15:03] Alexa Linden: Welcome all
[15:03] Alexa Linden: for those that just arrived
[15:03] Infinity Linden: hola!
[15:03] McCabe Maxsted: waves
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Alexa did you show off our new BSI sign up dispenser?
[15:03] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy!
[15:03] Alexa Linden: today's shcedule is here
[15:03] Alexa Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Hey Infinity, welcome!
[15:03] Alexa Linden: nope
[15:03] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:03] Alexa Linden: only a fee were here
[15:04] Bridie Linden: just a fee? :)
[15:04] Bridie Linden: Hiya Ellla!
[15:04] Alexa Linden: Hi ellla!
[15:04] Bridie Linden: Well, many of you are aware of our discussions about starting the "Battery Street Irregulars" to help us (even more) with testing...
[15:04] Ellla McMahon: Hi Alexa, Bridie :)
[15:04] Torley Linden: i like your title, Infinity
[15:05] Infinity Linden: d'oh! I was trying not to wear that in public
[15:05] Ellla McMahon: wow outnumbered by Lindens :)
[15:05] Infinity Linden: so don't start nuthin'
[15:05] Simon Kline: haha Ella I was just thinking that too... *bees good*
[15:05] Bridie Linden: For those who are interested in helping us do pre-release-candidate testing, please take a note card from this dispenser and follow the instructions.
[15:06] Object: Touched.:
[15:06] Bridie Linden: If you have any questions, feel free to ping me or Alexa! (or Bambers just b/c) :)
[15:06] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:06] norritt Xi: Hello everyone.
[15:06] Simon Kline: i'm lovin the new features in rc 8 guys... good work :)
[15:06] Bambers Linden: hey...
[15:06] Bridie Linden: We're looking for a few good Resis! ;)
[15:06] Bridie Linden: Welcome Nya Linden
[15:06] norritt Xi: The clouds are sweet =D
[15:06] Bridie Linden: Let's get going with the triage then!
[15:06] McCabe Maxsted: thanks bridie; I was hoping to attend cg's office hours yesterday to talk about it but couldn't make it
[15:06] norritt Xi: (when avatars are loading)
[15:06] Alexa Linden: if you are interested in joining, please drop a notecard that contains your name on the display
[15:07] Alexa Linden: and I'll add you to the group
[15:07] Bridie Linden: nods
[15:07] Object: Touched.:
[15:07] Bridie Linden: Today's agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:07] Bridie Linden: First up...
[15:07] Bridie Linden: VWR-7400[c
[15:07] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7400
[15:08] Bridie Linden: I haven't experienced this...
[15:08] Bambers Linden: This no longer appears to be a problem with PPC I think
[15:08] Bambers Linden: I'm running a fixed version on a PPC machine now
[15:08] Bridie Linden: So fixed in next RC, Bambers or ?
[15:08] Bridie Linden: oh cool!
[15:08] Bambers Linden: I believe so Bridie, yes
[15:08] Alexa Linden: fix pending
[15:08] Bridie Linden: let's mark as 'fix pending' then, thx
[15:09] Alexa Linden: got it
[15:09] Bridie Linden: beer!
[15:09] Bambers Linden: cool
[15:09] Bridie Linden: Bambers, is this the same issue that I saw, but folks were able to login on 2nd try?
[15:09] Bambers Linden: that one I don't know
[15:09] Bridie Linden: hmms
[15:09] Bambers Linden: that may have been reported on other systems too
[15:09] Bridie Linden: I'll check later...
[15:09] Bambers Linden: ok
[15:09] Bridie Linden: kk
[15:09] Bridie Linden: ok, next up
[15:10] Bridie Linden: VWR-7329[c
[15:10] Gellan Glenelg: the "login on 2nd attempt" is VWR-7069
[15:10] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7329
[15:10] Bridie Linden: ty Gellan
[15:10] Ellla McMahon: the 2nd attempt issue, I have on Windows Vista
[15:11] Bridie Linden: so with 7329, I know we tweaked the watchdog code for RC8
[15:11] Bridie Linden: thx Ellla for the info
[15:12] Bridie Linden: Are those last comments from RC8?
[15:12] Bridie Linden: i am presuming so...
[15:13] Bridie Linden: I'll ping Mani and Steve about this one, but I don't know think we should import
[15:14] Bridie Linden: Ok, moving right along...
[15:14] Bridie Linden: VWR-7331[c
[15:14] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7331
[15:14] Alexa Linden: Hey Garn :)
[15:14] Gellan Glenelg: this is easy to repro... numbers on map seem capped at Z=1000
[15:14] Garn Conover: allo :)
[15:15] Bridie Linden: Hiya Garn, welcome
[15:15] Bridie Linden: is reading 6399
[15:15] Gellan Glenelg: and I suspect it's realted to the backing out of the previous fix (VWR-
[15:15] Gellan Glenelg: 6399*
[15:15] Bridie Linden: Qarl Linden - 22/May/08 07:09 AMi wouldn't say it's "broken functionality" - it's just gone back to the way it was before this work was ever done. (the map window doesn't allow >768 z-coordinates, while the parcel window does.)[ Show » ]Qarl Linden - 22/May/08 07:09 AM i wouldn't say it's "broken functionality" - it's just gone back to the way it was before this work was ever done. (the map window doesn't allow >768 z-coordinates, while the parcel window does.)
[15:15] Bridie Linden: sorry for the double paste
[15:15] Garn Conover: tisks ;)
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Let's import 7331
[15:16] Bridie Linden: agreed?
[15:16] Alexa Linden: triage?
[15:16] Bridie Linden: yup!
[15:16] Alexa Linden: k
[15:16] Torley Linden: sounds good
[15:16] norritt Xi: Hi Garn ;)
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Did everyone meet Nya Linden, BTW?
[15:16] Alexa Linden: Sit boy!
[15:16] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:16] Torley Linden: *waves to Nya* :D
[15:16] McCabe Maxsted: ahoy there nya!
[15:16] Alexa Linden: tosses Garn a biscuit
[15:16] Lilly Zenovka: May I sit on ur knees Mc ?
[15:17] Alexa Linden: HAHAHA
[15:17] Garn Conover: Alexa click a head
[15:17] McCabe Maxsted: go for it
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Nya's a new Linden who'll be helping us squash bugs and cat herd the QA team :)
[15:17] Nya Linden: Hi all..
[15:17] Garn Conover: allo Nya!
[15:17] Lilly Zenovka: /sitOnMcKnees
[15:17] Ellla McMahon: pleased to meet you Nya :)
[15:17] Simon Kline: hi Nya :)
[15:17] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Nya
[15:17] Alexa Linden: nice!
[15:17] Gellan Glenelg: hi nya
[15:17] Bridie Linden: (amongst other things)
[15:17] CG Linden: miaow
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Now back to our regularly scheduled program... :)
[15:17] Bridie Linden: grins
[15:17] Bridie Linden: # VWR-5676[c
[15:17] Simon Kline: gives Nya gumboots for jumping on bugs as a welcome present
[15:17] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5676
[15:18] Garn Conover: counts the Linden - Resident Ratio
[15:18] Torley Linden: oh i think i noticed VWR-5676 before when doing a sound slider tutorial
[15:18] Nya Linden: hah.. thanks Simon.
[15:18] Bridie Linden: wants gumboots
[15:18] McCabe Maxsted: I've noticed this too; only way to change it is to mute it
[15:18] Torley Linden: easy to repro, and it still repros for me right now
[15:18] Torley Linden: *nods at McCabe*
[15:18] Bambers Linden: nods
[15:18] Bridie Linden: wonders if wind sound is a looping sound...
[15:18] Gellan Glenelg: didn't we triage this recently?
[15:18] Alexa Linden: I don't remember this one
[15:19] Gellan Glenelg: i suspect it's a dupe
[15:19] McCabe Maxsted: wonders if the openal work might fix this
[15:19] Alexa Linden: so do I
[15:19] norritt Xi: Well I recently read a discussion on the Dev Mailing list where ppl stated that the wind sound was randomly generated
[15:19] Bambers Linden: we already have this open I recall
[15:19] Torley Linden: no Bridie, wind is filtered white noise
[15:19] Torley Linden: Philip sent me a great email about how the wind sound works AGES ago and Andrew recently shared internal details of how the wind fluid simulation works
[15:20] Bridie Linden: oh
[15:20] Gellan Glenelg: dupe of VWR-4371?
[15:20] norritt Xi: There was a discussion why to waste the performance for that calculations since most wouldn't prolly even realize a difference between that and a static looped sound
[15:20] Ellla McMahon: # VWR-4371[c
[15:20] Torley Linden: but yeah, there's still that bug with looping sounds not decreasing in volume if you turn down Sounds and they're already played
[15:20] Bridie Linden: Good call Gellan
[15:20] norritt Xi: Good question IMO
[15:20] Bambers Linden: Torley - would you forward me that mail if you get a chance?
[15:20] Torley Linden: that looks the same Ellla
[15:20] Alexa Linden: thanks Ellla
[15:20] Torley Linden: thanks!
[15:20] Ellla McMahon: sorry I was too slow Gellan :)
[15:20] Torley Linden: Bambers, if i could find it i sure would... i was looking for it a few days ago but didn't :( i'd recommend asking Philip/Andrew
[15:20] Torley Linden: they have some classic stories on that haha
[15:21] Bridie Linden: And 4371 is on Bambers plate internally!
[15:21] Torley Linden: OH MY GOSH Bambers, you must be good luck, i JUST dug it up by trying slightly different keywords in Gmail,
[15:21] Bridie Linden: Let's resolve 5676 as a dupe
[15:21] Torley Linden: let me send that to you and Bridie ASAP
[15:21] Bridie Linden: Ty Torley!
[15:21] Bridie Linden: and Nya too (maybe Alexa as well)
[15:22] Bridie Linden: Next up on the list:
[15:22] Bridie Linden: VWR-7365[c
[15:22] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7365
[15:22] Garn Conover: is HI on fire? hehe i keep seein smoke
[15:22] Torley Linden: sure! Info... wINdFO!
[15:22] Torley Linden: VWR-7365 is an old bug that Dan reported years ago
[15:22] Torley Linden: it exists internally somewhere
[15:22] Nya Linden: accepted your inventory offer.
[15:23] Bridie Linden: Ok, I'll try and search for it later and dig it up...and then link them
[15:23] Torley Linden: Bridie, couldn't find Dan's, but i did see one from Branka in SL-12683... old!
[15:24] Torley Linden: every time i search JIRA it's like a walk down memory lane, i know that makes me sound old. XD
[15:24] Bridie Linden: Some Resis have told me how they depend on this kind of behavior FWIW
[15:24] Alexa Linden: hahahaha
[15:24] Garn Conover: lol
[15:24] Bridie Linden: is old
[15:24] McCabe Maxsted: hehe just reproduced it. Oh, I know how you feel torley! Especially seeing screenshots of old versions
[15:24] Alexa Linden: feels really old
[15:24] Bridie Linden: is old and getting older
[15:24] Bridie Linden: sighs
[15:24] Bridie Linden: ok, next up...
[15:24] Torley Linden: :D
[15:25] Bridie Linden: VWR-7353[c
[15:25] Torley Linden: and also, some have complained that opening a notecard takes you out of Mouselook (different, but related)
[15:25] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7353
[15:25] Garn Conover: closing eyes in bliss to the scritch
[15:25] Torley Linden: snapshot bugs have been some of the most annoying; they're often "cosmetic" but deteriorate the quality of sharing Second Life with the outside world
[15:25] Garn Conover: gah u typo'd :P
[15:25] Bridie Linden: nods to Torley
[15:25] Lilly Zenovka: hey btw, I can't reproduce the previous one with RC8
[15:26] Garn Conover: https? dnt recognize that one
[15:26] Bridie Linden: thx Lilly, pls add your comments
[15:26] Bridie Linden: What's that Garn?
[15:26] Torley Linden: see the comments, Coco Linden explained part of what's to come here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7353?focusedCommentId=61707#action_61707
[15:26] Garn Conover: ok now it works o.O
[15:26] Bridie Linden: :)
[15:27] Garn Conover: i clicked the link liek 5 times b4 it would open
[15:27] Torley Linden: i'm in favor of resolving this as won't finish due to the more elegant, upcoming changes
[15:28] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:28] McCabe Maxsted: how about fix pending instead?
[15:28] Pastrami Linden: I'm a gummy bear
[15:28] Bridie Linden: I'm not seeing the exact behavior described...
[15:28] Bridie Linden: I'm not getting prompted with filename dialog on mac
[15:28] Torley Linden: i will disclaim usage of this feature depends on your photography style, however.
[15:28] norritt Xi: Re, just crashed. Thats what I call timing
[15:28] norritt Xi: Seems RC8 has a memory leak that causes a crash after some time
[15:29] Bridie Linden: oh noes norritt!
[15:29] McCabe Maxsted: yes, it has a major one
[15:29] Bridie Linden: Next on the agenda...
[15:29] Bridie Linden: VWR-7204[c
[15:29] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7204
[15:29] norritt Xi: Just made a screenshot I'll put it on the webserver in a second.
[15:29] McCabe Maxsted: if I'm on for more than at least 6 hours and try to take a snapshot I crash
[15:29] Torley Linden: this is a dupe
[15:29] Bridie Linden: I think 7204 is a dupe
[15:29] Alexa Linden: this one or other forms keep coming back
[15:29] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:29] Bridie Linden: 6772>
[15:29] Bridie Linden: ?
[15:30] Torley Linden: yeah, should resolve this in favor of, ah, VWR-5785. FOCUS!
[15:30] McCabe Maxsted: definite dupe
[15:30] Torley Linden: i've seen this bug a lot recently; i was at this badass, very trippy gothic castle, and had to keep selecting sculpties to get them to load, exactly what's described in VWR-5785.
[15:30] Bridie Linden: dupe of 6772 which is already imported and assigned to Qarl
[15:31] Alexa Linden: k
[15:31] Torley Linden: yeah, then VWR-5785 should be resolved in favor of 6772 since that's already imported.
[15:31] Torley Linden: sometimes dupe-tracking can be a labyrinth.
[15:31] Alexa Linden: yes
[15:31] Torley Linden: or wait, hmmm VWR-5785 is already imported too and has more votes. spoke too soon.
[15:31] Alexa Linden: that's why I have a master list of Common Pjiras :p
[15:32] Torley Linden: nice one Alexa :)
[15:32] Bridie Linden: ok, i linked up the internal issues
[15:32] Alexa Linden: thanks Bridie
[15:32] Torley Linden: thanks Alexa and Bridie
[15:32] Bridie Linden: thx all
[15:32] Morris Vig: Greetings all. Thanks for posting the Twitter on this, Torley.
[15:32] Torley Linden: and for those of you who wanna visit a really creepy, awesome castle... [1]
[15:32] Torley Linden: you're welcome, Morris!
[15:33] Bridie Linden: We talked about 6984 before...I know that Tofu is keeping an eye on it...
[15:33] norritt Xi: Okay thats what just happened to me: [2]
[15:33] Garn Conover: >.< linked names need to be hidden when not main screen
[15:33] Garn Conover: Torley u got a lm of it?
[15:33] Torley Linden: Garn, click VISIT link on the picture for SLURL.
[15:33] Torley Linden: norritt, yes, that predates RC8... it's been a problem for awhile. i believe Steve was collating those awhile back.
[15:34] norritt Xi: Though that seemd to be fine with RC7 or RC6 IIRC
[15:34] Bridie Linden: is looking @ the agenda
[15:34] norritt Xi: So the leak was introduced with one of the latest cahnges again.
[15:34] norritt Xi: changes even
[15:34] Bridie Linden: We also talked about 7105 before...so let's keep moving
[15:34] Torley Linden: norritt, i get that message often when i'm simply in Second Life for a long time.
[15:35] Bridie Linden: apologizes for not scrubbing agenda!
[15:35] Bridie Linden: Next
[15:35] Bridie Linden: VWR-6839[c
[15:35] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6839
[15:35] Pastrami Linden: checking
[15:35] Garn Conover: isn't it 164?
[15:36] Garn Conover: i use that version i believe w/ no issues
[15:36] norritt Xi: I've never ever had probs with that
[15:36] Pastrami Linden: Nvidia's repsonse is interesting..
[15:36] norritt Xi: I'm running 174.74
[15:36] Garn Conover: Bridie thats an old 6343 link
[15:37] Bridie Linden: nods to Pastrami
[15:37] Ellla McMahon: it was an issue relating to the HP version of 174
[15:37] Pastrami Linden: This one might be worth them trying the enxt release-
[15:37] Ellla McMahon: I have updated again (I went back to old driver)
[15:37] Pastrami Linden: if theyir beta 174.93 is working
[15:37] Pastrami Linden: by release I meant NV's drivers
[15:37] norritt Xi: Hmm then it might even be another HP / XP SP3 related bug
[15:38] Ellla McMahon: it seems Ok so far (/me crosses fingers and toes !!! LOL)
[15:38] McCabe Maxsted: they're on vista though
[15:38] Bridie Linden: Garn is right, it's on the list of issues with VWR-6343
[15:38] Bridie Linden: Let's leave it as such
[15:38] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:38] Garn Conover: now i dunno when it was linked so it might be newer but there are no dates
[15:39] Bridie Linden: VWR-6924[c
[15:39] Garn Conover: nm there they are heh
[15:39] Ellla McMahon: I would give it a few days and then may tha issue can be closed
[15:39] Light: off:
[15:39] Garn Conover: its a month old issue
[15:39] Torley Linden: map doing this isn't an altogether new issue...
[15:39] Torley Linden: we used to have more problems where opening World Map would disconnect you.
[15:40] Flight Band: All Go
[15:40] Torley Linden: i can't repro this one right now, even when trying to load many map tiles.
[15:41] Bridie Linden: can't repro either
[15:41] Gellan Glenelg: nor me
[15:41] Bridie Linden: anyone on XP and/or Nvidia?
[15:41] Morris Vig: XP
[15:41] Gellan Glenelg: i'm on XP
[15:41] McCabe Maxsted: xp
[15:41] Bridie Linden: can u repro 6924?
[15:41] Torley Linden: i'm on XP with Nvidia
[15:41] Garn Conover: only time i twirl is when something is against my spacenav lol
[15:41] Torley Linden: 6924 isn't reproing for me...
[15:41] norritt Xi: Yes I'm on XP / nVidia too
[15:41] Garn Conover: me 3!
[15:41] McCabe Maxsted: I've had the slowness occasionally happen before, but don't see a repro for the rotating
[15:41] Bridie Linden: kk, let's resolve as 'can't repro'
[15:41] Torley Linden: these kind of "slows FPS" bugs i'd like to see more videos for...
[15:41] Bridie Linden: thx all
[15:41] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:42] Garn Conover: i get steadsy 5 fps lmao
[15:42] Bridie Linden: Dan Linden has been making some videos to show bugs - very helpful
[15:42] Garn Conover: oof
[15:42] Lilly Zenovka: ah, torley, the "slow fps" bugs are REALLY annoying..
[15:42] norritt Xi: I'll check - just JIRA is taking ages to load for me today
[15:42] Torley Linden: yeah, Dan taught me about Camtasia way back...
[15:42] Torley Linden: and i learned from him and started doing video tutorials...
[15:42] Torley Linden: and now you know the rest of the story
[15:42] Torley Linden: :D
[15:42] Bridie Linden: over 150 videos now Torley??
[15:42] Flight Band: All Go
[15:42] Torley Linden: yeah nearing 200, i have another 2-dozen or so in various stages Bridie
[15:43] Bridie Linden: [3]
[15:43] Torley Linden: and another 16 quick tips will appear on [4] today =)
[15:43] Pastrami Linden: yeah Torley I'll soon have some cool gfx for you
[15:43] Torley Linden: thanx! hehe easy link, [5]
[15:43] Torley Linden: wicked Pastrami
[15:43] Morris Vig: wow - 2 viewer crashes since dropping in on you folks. This is rough.
[15:43] Pastrami Linden: Bub and I are closing in on some finals
[15:43] norritt Xi: Okay if I open both map and minimap viewer fps is reduced about 2 - 3 fps for me.
[15:43] Torley Linden: cool beans, i <3 sweet design
[15:43] Alexa Linden: its our mighty powar!
[15:43] Pastrami Linden: :)
[15:43] norritt Xi: So that I'm at 18 - 20 fps here - so for me no repro of that
[15:44] Morris Vig: 11-13 fps
[15:44] Alexa Linden: Hi Day :)
[15:44] Lilly Zenovka: 6fps :(
[15:44] Garn Conover: i need to find a way to boost my fps lol
[15:44] McCabe Maxsted: okay
[15:44] norritt Xi: Might be related to the slower system of the person reporting
[15:44] McCabe Maxsted: try moving te map flaoter around
[15:44] Bridie Linden: nods
[15:44] Garn Conover: 3.7 Lilly lol i win
[15:44] McCabe Maxsted: every second of moving it is another drop in the fps
[15:44] norritt Xi: Maybe the map impacts more with his hardware config
[15:44] Lilly Zenovka: but on my hardware it's insane
[15:44] Torley Linden: we look so awesome here at night with WindLight...
[15:44] Torley Linden: i remember a time before WL! that was quaint!
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Did we talk about 6848 last week? it's already linked to meta issue
[15:45] Alexa Linden: hahaha
[15:45] Bridie Linden: Same for 6740, right Alexa?
[15:45] McCabe Maxsted: dropped down to 2 fps by doing that
[15:45] Garn Conover: WL makes me look better
[15:45] norritt Xi: Torley? I guess you're the SN expert here?
[15:45] Alexa Linden: I belive so
[15:45] Alexa Linden: opening
[15:46] Torley Linden: norritt, i haven't tried to repro this myself
[15:46] Bridie Linden: I'm skipping down to 7406 on the agenda
[15:46] Bridie Linden: VWR-7406[c
[15:46] Morris Vig: Torley, Callipygian Christensen, one of SL's best photographers, can't use WL at all. Crashes her Mac every time.
[15:46] Torley Linden: i DO have another game controller but didn't plug both in at same time (out of USB ports)
[15:46] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7406
[15:46] Torley Linden: Morris: so SL runs with Atmospheric Shaders off for her, but not on?
[15:46] Garn Conover: they never give u enought ports these days
[15:47] Bridie Linden: 7406 with a whopping 2 votes...
[15:47] Morris Vig: I'm not sure exactly, Torley. I just know that WL is toxic for her system.
[15:47] Bridie Linden: I think 7406 needs more info
[15:47] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:47] Morris Vig: is not a techie. Just wants a lag-free grid and a viewer that runs well.
[15:47] McCabe Maxsted: I assume this is the camera bouncing off invisible textures etc; I'd resolve as needs more info
[15:47] Gellan Glenelg: is this a change in camera behaveour, or a change to unsit?
[15:48] Bridie Linden: not sure
[15:48] Garn Conover: 7406 is confusing
[15:48] Torley Linden: yeah, this needs more info :|
[15:48] Torley Linden: could be one of a number of things
[15:48] Bridie Linden: It's a mystery!
[15:48] Bridie Linden: Havok4?
[15:48] Torley Linden: "strange camera behavior" bugs are PRIME candidates for doing videos
[15:48] Torley Linden: it's hard to describe the path of a camera, let alone describe quaternions to a bystander
[15:48] McCabe Maxsted: yeah, it's made after h4 hit the grid
[15:48] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:48] Bridie Linden: # VWR-7413[c
[15:48] McCabe Maxsted: ah, quaternions, grr!
[15:49] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7413
[15:49] McCabe Maxsted: so useful yet so frustrating
[15:49] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:49] Garn Conover: lol Ruth!
[15:49] norritt Xi: I like the clouds =D
[15:49] Alexa Linden: that Poof!
[15:49] Alexa Linden: +1
[15:49] Bridie Linden: Ruth vs. Poof!
[15:49] Garn Conover: i love the new Ruth
[15:49] Alexa Linden: poof wins!
[15:49] Gellan Glenelg: dupe of the original of VWR-7355 ? (ramzi changes it to a feature request)
[15:49] Torley Linden: RUTH DIED AND WE ARE HAPPY
[15:49] norritt Xi: Yes definitly
[15:49] Torley Linden: hahaha
[15:49] Bridie Linden: Resolve, pls
[15:49] Garn Conover: defiantly
[15:49] Alexa Linden: will do :)
[15:49] Torley Linden: yeah, VWR-7413 should be resolved as a misunderstanding
[15:49] Pastrami Linden: hehe
[15:49] McCabe Maxsted: another candidate for a "not a bug" resolution
[15:49] Morris Vig: misses Ruth in an instant nostalgia kinda way
[15:49] Pastrami Linden: aren't all these bugs just one big miunderstanding
[15:50] Pastrami Linden: ?
[15:50] Torley Linden: "Misfiled" is the closest we have to that, McCabe.
[15:50] Torley Linden: hahahaha Pastrami.
[15:50] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:50] Torley Linden: "you misunderstand me! i deserve to live! i am not a bug! i am a misunderstood feature!"
[15:50] Bridie Linden: next
[15:50] Garn Conover: ever since the new ruth i never noticed hiow many times u go into that form
[15:50] McCabe Maxsted: me and lex have been wanting one for a while ;)
[15:50] McCabe Maxsted: laughs
[15:50] Infinity Linden: thinks we should have a jira tag called "NOSTALGIA"
[15:50] norritt Xi: Ther could be a blog post about the new ruth: "When your spirit overtakes the asset server" ;)
[15:50] Torley Linden: haha Infinity, like the days we wore BOXES on our heads!
[15:50] Bridie Linden: laughs
[15:50] Torley Linden: norritt, i sense machinima potential
[15:51] Alexa Linden: hahahaha
[15:51] Kghia Gherardi: ghost in the machine
[15:51] norritt Xi: *g*
[15:51] Bridie Linden: ok, time for one more?
[15:51] Bridie Linden: # VWR-7245[c
[15:51] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:51] Pastrami Linden: I gotta run soon
[15:51] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7245
[15:51] McCabe Maxsted: machinima idea: a gang of ghostbuster avs hit a welcome area
[15:51] McCabe Maxsted: oh, this is highly annoying
[15:51] Garn Conover: has a purple Werepoodle av?
[15:51] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:52] norritt Xi: ybe pastrami
[15:52] norritt Xi: Bye even
[15:52] Morris Vig: wants the smoke to be black like on LOST
[15:52] McCabe Maxsted: is this part of mablers and q's project?
[15:52] Garn Conover: will have to remember to wear said av next week
[15:52] McCabe Maxsted: *malbers
[15:52] Torley Linden: there are workarounds for some of this... i agree crashes are generally frustrating but let's look at the specifics here...
[15:52] Torley Linden: "unlogged IMs are lost" - which is why you should turn on chat logging to capture them!
[15:52] Torley Linden: unread group notices can be retrieved via the group archives
[15:52] Bridie Linden: Could you post a comment Torley?
[15:52] Torley Linden: suuuuure :D
[15:53] Torley Linden: this doesn't sound very actionable, more like a "nice to have" imho
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Is this more of a feature request?
[15:53] Torley Linden: i would say so Bridie
[15:53] Bridie Linden: nods
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Cool
[15:53] Morris Vig: Is that really a customer-responsive answer? Is it the customer's obligation to take these steps? Or can the system be tweaked to address their concerns?
[15:53] McCabe Maxsted: but you have to know they're there to look for them, and if you crash...
[15:53] norritt Xi: Yeah though it might not bee too important. As torley said you can easily get the information back
[15:53] McCabe Maxsted: I think you should forward it to malbers
[15:53] Morris Vig: I mean, they didn't ask for the system to crash...
[15:53] McCabe Maxsted: he's working on alert redesigning
[15:54] norritt Xi: Plus the newer viewers show the log of the last IM session in grey when you open the contact in IM again.
[15:54] Torley Linden: yes, true @ Morris and McCabe... but also, there are Residents who deliberately quit in order to avoid incoming onslaughts of offers and such -- that'd fall into Notifications too
[15:54] Morris Vig: Gotta run, dinner time. Thanks for the chance to pipe in.
[15:54] Torley Linden: norritt: yeah that bugged me for awhile :)
[15:54] Bridie Linden: Morris, we want to give the Resi a work around...
[15:54] McCabe Maxsted: take care morris
[15:54] Torley Linden: have a good dinner Morris!
[15:54] Infinity Linden: cheers!
[15:54] norritt Xi: Bye Morris
[15:54] Bridie Linden: Byee!
[15:54] Bridie Linden: Ok, for late comers, be sure to check out the object I'm sitting on!
[15:54] Infinity Linden: thinks about logging friendship requests...
[15:55] Lilly Zenovka: aww forgot to activate XP, had to go back to OSX
[15:55] Bridie Linden: We're looking for folks to sign up to become Battery Street Irregulars and help us find/fix more issues further upstream by helping us test daily viewer builds!
[15:56] Infinity Linden: now worries she just volunteered to take a bug..
[15:56] Bridie Linden: If you're willing/able/interested, take a copy of the info notecard and drop a notecard w/your name and system config and email on the object

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