User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 May 01

[10:04]  You: hi Christian
[10:04]  You: welcome
[10:04]  Christian Colville: hello Benjamin
[10:05]  Christian Colville: nice office! my first visit to an office hour...
[10:05]  You: thanks!
[10:05]  You: let's take a seat
[10:05]  Christian Colville: sure
[10:06]  Christian Colville: my interest is land search
[10:07]  You: ok great
[10:07]  You: what's on your mind?
[10:07]  Christian Colville: I've set up a website that pulls land sales information off the servers using libsecondlife
[10:07]  You: oh cool
[10:08]  Christian Colville: its a free facility.. it lets people do more detailed searches than the in-world tool
[10:08]  You: can I see it?
[10:09]  Christian Colville: sure its at http://www.sllandlist.com
[10:09]  You: so this is in flahs
[10:09]  You: flash
[10:09]  Christian Colville: yep it actually uses a development system called OpenLaszlo
[10:10]  Christian Colville: which compiles to a flash object
[10:10]  Christian Colville: so I wanted to let you guys know what I was up to
[10:11]  Adrian Linden is Online
[10:11]  Christian Colville: plus it occurred to me that you might well decide yourselves at some point to put land search on an external site
[10:11]  You: there's been a lot of discussion lately about what to do with Search
[10:11]  You: since what we have right now isn't that great
[10:11]  You: let me play with this for a sec
[10:11]  Christian Colville: sure
[10:12]  Christian Colville: it updates every 2 hours
[10:12]  Christian Colville: plus the technology is unscrapable
[10:12]  You: because it's flash?
[10:12]  PierreLuc Linden is Offline
[10:13]  Christian Colville: well yes there are flash decompilers but I think this OpenLaszlo system produces flash objects that are difficult to decompile
[10:13]  You: I see, cool
[10:13]  You: wow this is impressive
[10:13]  Christian Colville: thanks
[10:13]  You: does it include land auctions as well?
[10:14]  Christian Colville: no
[10:14]  Christian Colville: I'm thinking of putting land rentals on it next
[10:14]  Christian Colville: auctions would require me to write an HTML scraper to get the info off your site
[10:14]  You: ah I see
[10:15]  You: I like the way when you click a link it jumps straight to that spot on the map
[10:15]  You: that's really cool
[10:15]  Christian Colville: great
[10:15]  Adrian Linden is Offline
[10:15]  You: it would be nice to see the preview image that you can see when you do land searches in-world
[10:16]  You: hey Christian I have to take a phone call real quick, can you hang on?
[10:16]  Christian Colville: yes that was a little technically demanding and would use a lot of server space
[10:16]  Christian Colville: sure
[10:16]  You: thanks brb
[10:21]  You: ok sorry about that
[10:21]  Christian Colville: np
[10:21]  You: so when you said it would take a lot of server space, did you mean space on your webserver?
[10:21]  Christian Colville: yeah
[10:22]  You: I see
[10:22]  You: there's no way to directly link to the image that's on our servers?
[10:22]  Christian Colville: plus I'd have to work out how to translate the data in a packet into a jpg
[10:22]  You: oh I see
[10:22]  You: so theoretically it could be done dynamically
[10:22]  Christian Colville: I don't know if a direct link is possible
[10:22]  Christian Colville: that would be ideal
[10:23]  Christian Colville: but no idea how to get a url from an image LLUUID
[10:23]  You: yes, I'm not sure if that's possible
[10:23]  You: I could ask some folks for you
[10:23]  Christian Colville: in my experience most images are missing or standard landowner ones
[10:23]  Christian Colville: that would be great
[10:24]  Bridie Linden is Online
[10:24]  Christian Colville: yeah so partly I wanted to talk to you out of concern that you might sometime soon put the land search on an external website which would of course make my site superfluous really
[10:25]  Christian Colville: I mean of course you will do what you will do but maybe what I've done could help you in that circumstance
[10:25]  You: well I can't speak to specific initiatives that we have underway of course but there is an effort to make across-the-board improvements in search
[10:26]  Christian Colville: sure
[10:27]  You: I will definitely show your site to the relevant people. it's possible there's something we could leverage in our new search tools
[10:27]  Jesse Linden is Online
[10:27]  Jard Comet is Offline
[10:27]  You: tell me more about your development group
[10:27]  Christian Colville: good that would be great
[10:27]  Christian Colville: oh its just me lol
[10:27]  Gulliver Linden is Online
[10:28]  Christian Colville: In r/l I'm a programmer I do a lot of projects for small businesses
[10:28]  You: cool. what type of programming?
[10:29]  Christian Colville: I do asp.net c# javascript mysql this openlaszlo tool etc
[10:29]  You: great! where are you located?
[10:29]  Christian Colville: I'm in London UK
[10:30]  You: cool. Linden Lab is opening office in Brighton.
[10:30]  Christian Colville: oh that's a great place
[10:30]  Revolution Perenti: hi ben :)
[10:30]  Christian Colville: very funky and alternative, by the sea. no beach though
[10:30]  You: hi Revolution
[10:30]  You: welcome!
[10:30]  Durl Linden is Online
[10:31]  Christian Colville: hello Revolution
[10:31]  Revolution Perenti: how are you today, not working too hard i hope :)
[10:31]  Revolution Perenti: hi chris
[10:31]  You: nah, just chillin as you can see :-)
[10:31]  Christian Colville: grins
[10:31]  Revolution Perenti: dont blame you, thought i come over for a bit now i chillin instead of coding
[10:31]  Revolution Perenti: met most of the lindens :)
[10:31]  You: is that c++ code I see scrolling on your screen :-)
[10:31]  Revolution Perenti: hehe yea
[10:31]  You: cool
[10:32]  Revolution Perenti: im a c++ and php coder myself
[10:32]  You: are you a developer too?
[10:32]  You: nice
[10:32]  You: do you know Christian?
[10:32]  Christian Colville: its developer corner!
[10:32]  You: haha yeah, this is great
[10:32]  Revolution Perenti: no never met him, also i really big opensource fan, everything i do goes out to the public
[10:32]  Revolution Perenti: yopu mind if i sit down
[10:32]  You: excellent!
[10:33]  You: you may have seen my mail a few weeks ago to sldev
[10:33]  You: we'd love to get more people working on UI issues
[10:33]  Christian Colville: ok
[10:33]  Revolution Perenti: before i found sl , i use to develope alot of game toolkits
[10:33]  Christian Colville: what's sldev?
[10:33]  Revolution Perenti: from game engines, graphics libs, matrix and math engines
[10:33]  You: Christian, sldev is a mailing list for people interested in the open source project
[10:34]  You: you should sign up!
[10:34]  Christian Colville: ok!
[10:34]  Revolution Perenti: oh incase you cant tell im not a woman hehe just my av is :)
[10:34]  You: there's lots of general discussion about developing for SL
[10:34]  Christian Colville: right
[10:34]  You: ok thanks for clarifying Revolution :-)
[10:34]  Revolution Perenti: guys like to play female charactors :P
[10:34]  Christian Colville: I've not done too much C++ tho
[10:34]  You: I've noticed that
[10:35]  Revolution Perenti: even the lindins like torley
[10:35]  You: well if you know c# you should be able to pick it up Christian
[10:35]  Christian Colville: is that so Ben?
[10:35]  Lower Deck Doors: Jeanluc Despres is at the door.
[10:35]  Christian Colville: sure
[10:35]  You: actually Torley will probably be by later
[10:35]  You: we have a meeting at 11am
[10:35]  Revolution Perenti: was digging around the viewer source last night , see if i can sort some the bugs myself, also been thinking of the idear of porting it to xbox
[10:36]  Christian Colville: ok
[10:36]  Security Panel: Jeanluc Despres, you are not authorized to use this console.
[10:36]  Christian Colville: you'd get hoards of users from that..
[10:36]  Revolution Perenti: there still alot to be done by the devs but i love how far you guys have come sofar
[10:36]  Security Panel: Jeanluc Despres, you are not authorized to use this console.
[10:37]  You: thanks Revolution
[10:37]  Revolution Perenti: filled out job app otherday with there Uk office
[10:37]  You: wow, an xbox port would be awesome!
[10:37]  You: oh cool are you in the UK too?
[10:37]  Revolution Perenti: yea using the openxbox sdk
[10:37]  You: I was just telling Christian about the Brighton office
[10:37]  Camber Front Door: Jeanluc Despres is at the door.
[10:37]  You: should be a fun place to work
[10:37]  Revolution Perenti: ported many things to the xbox
[10:37]  Camber Front Door: Jeanluc Despres is at the door.
[10:37]  Christian Colville: yeah Im in London Revolution
[10:37]  Revolution Perenti: as long its opensource i dont mind porting it
[10:37]  Revolution Perenti: i live next to the beach :)
[10:38]  You: do you think it's doable?
[10:38]  Revolution Perenti: broadstairs, kent
[10:38]  Christian Colville: nice..
[10:38]  You: I worked in Richmond for several months back in 2001
[10:38]  You: cute town
[10:38]  Christian Colville: yeah
[10:38]  You: but I had to move into the city, so I lived in Earls Court
[10:38]  Christian Colville: its quite prety Richmond
[10:38]  Christian Colville: Earls Court has toomuch traffic tho
[10:39]  Revolution Perenti: you living in the UK now bed or lindens moved you out to the states
[10:39]  Revolution Perenti: *ben
[10:39]  Revolution Perenti: i was living in london for a while, but live away from london now most of my work comes from the internet
[10:39]  You: actually I live in Seattle
[10:39]  Betsy Linden is Online
[10:39]  Revolution Perenti: no need for an office, even i do get shipped out ot LA and NY alot
[10:39]  You: I was living here when i started working for LL
[10:40]  Christian Colville: ok
[10:40]  Christian Colville: there's a lot of Microsoft offices round there I've heard
[10:40]  You: haha yes
[10:40]  You: that was actually my previous employer :-)
[10:40]  Revolution Perenti: lo ldont tell me about m$ im a linux user :P
[10:40]  Christian Colville: ok grins
[10:41]  You: haha I was just up at LinuxfestNorthwest, north of Seattle last weekend
[10:41]  You: very different crowd than at my last job :-)
[10:41]  Revolution Perenti: got sick of windows in the end, never really needed it for coding
[10:41]  Christian Colville: yeah?
[10:41]  You: I worked on Visual Studio at Microsoft. it's a pretty good IDE
[10:41]  Revolution Perenti: linux more sutiable
[10:41]  Christian Colville: I love the VS IDE
[10:41]  Revolution Perenti: yes i have that too , but rarely touch it now days
[10:42]  You: that's good to hear, Christian
[10:42]  Revolution Perenti: only log into windows for games or when im doing windows ports and testing
[10:42]  Christian Colville: lets you do immensely complex operations very easily
[10:42]  You: what do you code in Revolution?
[10:42]  Revolution Perenti: c++ and php
[10:42]  You: I meant which IDE, sorry
[10:42]  Revolution Perenti: started in basic , then got qulificed in c++
[10:42]  Christian Colville: have you heard of OpenLaszlo Revolution?
[10:42]  Revolution Perenti: oh vs 2003 in windows
[10:43]  Revolution Perenti: but mostly coding php now days
[10:43]  Revolution Perenti: using linux and zend
[10:43]  Suzanne Zeluco: hi there
[10:43]  You: hi Suzanne, welcome!
[10:43]  Suzanne Zeluco: thank you =)
[10:43]  Christian Colville: Hi Suzanne
[10:43]  Suzanne Zeluco: hi Christian, Revolution
[10:43]  You: I'm super excited you guys are potentially interested in open source
[10:43]  Revolution Perenti: hi suzanne
[10:43]  Revolution Perenti: i saw rob yesterday at his meeting
[10:44]  You: did you come for office hours Suzanne or are you just stopping by?
[10:44]  You: oh yeah, Rob sits right next to me
[10:44]  Revolution Perenti: trying to see how sl involving community wise before i dig into opensource work for sl
[10:44]  Suzanne Zeluco: i came for office hours yes ... i hope not with an inappropriate question
[10:44]  You: there are no inappropriate questions!
[10:44]  You: have a seat
[10:44]  Suzanne Zeluco: ok thank you =)
[10:45]  Revolution Perenti: are many community contribs going in sl atm Ben
[10:45]  You: yes, actually I have some stats right here, hang on
[10:46]  Revolution Perenti: becuase its going to be prety big project making sl opensource
[10:46]  You: 34 patches by 18 unique authors have been accepted into the Viewer code
[10:46]  You: hi wishmaster
[10:46]  You: welcome!
[10:46]  Christian Colville: that's cool
[10:46]  Revolution Perenti: prety much what i do now with phpnuke and phpbb
[10:46]  Suzanne Zeluco: hi wishmaster
[10:47]  Wishmaster Delcon: hi
[10:47]  Revolution Perenti: becuase fixed, new features etc can be done by the community in code merged by the dev team
[10:47]  Revolution Perenti: hi wish
[10:47]  Wishmaster Delcon: hi rev
[10:47]  Christian Colville: I think open source is the way to produce reliable projects with the kind of scale of SL
[10:47]  Suzanne Zeluco: i didn't know where else to go ask, with the recent changes ... and i am sorry if this is not the right forum, Benjamin ... but i cannot get any feedback on any other channels at the moment
[10:47]  Revolution Perenti: this is my friend Ben :) support of my work
[10:47]  You: nice bling Wishmaster :-)
[10:48]  Wishmaster Delcon: and help when i can
[10:48]  Suzanne Zeluco: have been living now almost 4 days in a sim with time dilation averaging 0.55, and there seems to be no cure to this, and can't get hold of anyone who can help
[10:48]  Christian Colville: hi Wishmaster
[10:48]  Wishmaster Delcon: thanks Ben
[10:48]  You: are you a developer too Wish?
[10:48]  Wishmaster Delcon: hi christian
[10:48]  You: Suzanne, can you tell me what you mean by time dilation?
[10:48]  Zero Linden is Offline
[10:48]  Revolution Perenti: last year ben i was involved as lead developer of phpnuke , was involved making the first release of 8.x branch
[10:49]  Wishmaster Delcon: very nice
[10:49]  Revolution Perenti: but after that i had alot of commercial work ended up in america
[10:49]  Suzanne Zeluco: sim time dilation .. varying between something like 0.4 - 0.6 .. averaging at about 0.55
[10:49]  Christian Colville: cool
[10:49]  Revolution Perenti: but trying to get more involved again opensource wise
[10:49]  Bridie Linden is Offline
[10:49]  Revolution Perenti: and being a big c++ user and sl user love to start using the code thats available
[10:50]  Revolution Perenti: and fix or improve in anyway i can
[10:50]  Wishmaster Delcon: i have just been helping rev with testing of a couple of projects
[10:50]  Revolution Perenti: take a seat wish, making the place look crowed hehe
[10:50]  Betsy Linden is Offline
[10:50]  Wishmaster Delcon: i wouldnt call myself a developer as such
[10:50]  You: lol
[10:50]  Christian Colville: have to say I had a look at the open source setup instructions it was a bit daunting
[10:51]  You: Suzanne, can you explain what you mean by time dilation, I haven't heard that term before
[10:51]  Revolution Perenti: so how would someone like me Bed submit code to SL devs
[10:51]  Revolution Perenti: ben
[10:51]  You: does someone else know what Suzanne is talking about
[10:51]  Revolution Perenti: i should stop with the typos
[10:51]  You: lol np Revolution
[10:51]  Suzanne Zeluco: time dilation means roughly how fast the sim is running or processing things, that is how i understood it
[10:52]  Suzanne Zeluco: time dilation 0.55 means the sim is kind of running about half speed
[10:52]  You: hi Vent, welcome
[10:52]  Vent Sinatra: (hello there)
[10:52]  Christian Colville: I think time dilation is what happens when a sim cant make the standard FPS
[10:52]  You: oh I see, Suzanne, so your sim is running slowly. are you experiencing a lot of lag?
[10:52]  Suzanne Zeluco: well yes, constantly and is the fourth day with no change
[10:52]  Revolution Perenti: i noticed ever since 1.15.0 release there been alot of bw usage too like there memory leaks in the kernal , but its coming from the viewer
[10:53]  Revolution Perenti: sometimes 70 - 80% cpu usage and im on dual core
[10:53]  Vent Sinatra: Hmmm, I have a similar, related issue
[10:53]  Vent Sinatra: not really related...
[10:53]  Revolution Perenti: cant even run more then one viewer anymore
[10:53]  Revolution Perenti: use to be able to log 2 accounts on my pc
[10:53]  Vent Sinatra: There is something happened with memory
[10:53]  Revolution Perenti: using dual core by giving each sl viewer its own cpu core
[10:54]  Christian Colville: the viewer is single-threaded isn't it?
[10:54]  Revolution Perenti: now if i run 2 its like a slide show
[10:54]  Vent Sinatra: no no, that isnt it, i tried it.... MY guess would be something in the grpahics
[10:54]  You: interesting. I'll have to check with some people to see if there are any known memory issues
[10:54]  Vent Sinatra: graphics
[10:54]  Vent Sinatra: everything becomes slow, but not so much swapping....
[10:54]  Revolution Perenti: well graphics are prety hi end, im using 2x sli nvidia 7900
[10:54]  Revolution Perenti: there more then enough power
[10:55]  Wishmaster Delcon: the only issue regarding memory i have found is that it call for more virtual memory but that has only happened once
[10:55]  Vent Sinatra: Its fine when you start, but after a couple of hours
[10:55]  Vent Sinatra: whichis nothing in SL :) everything becomes slow
[10:55]  Revolution Perenti: only thing i can think of is start back tracing some of these issues in the viewer itself
[10:55]  Christian Colville: 1.15 runs ok on my system but SL has always been slow for me it taxes my little laptop too much
[10:56]  Suzanne Zeluco: i would appreciate, Benjamin, if you could get a grid monkey to restart Cass region ... if that could be possible ... it seems to not be fixing itself on it's own
[10:56]  Jard Comet is Online
[10:56]  Vent Sinatra: Benjamin, who is your network specialist, there is this one issue on jira which is bugging us for two weeks, and we are having such a hard time. SOmetimes Torley Linden is saying something
[10:56]  Vent Sinatra: but we hear so little....
[10:57]  You: I'll see if I can make that happen Suzanne.
[10:57]  Vent Sinatra: its related to internet routing issues.....ISPs....
[10:57]  Suzanne Zeluco: ok, thank you very much .. i do appreciate =)
[10:57]  Vent Sinatra: Basically it is making SL impossible to use on all Californian SIms
[10:58]  Revolution Perenti gave you Revolution Perenti Bear.
[10:58]  Revolution Perenti accepted your inventory offer.
[10:58]  Revolution Perenti: thanks Ben :)
[10:58]  You: Vent, which Jira issue are you referring to
[10:58]  Revolution Perenti: building up quite a collection of linden bears
[10:58]  Vent Sinatra: SVC-124
[10:58]  Wishmaster Delcon accepted your inventory offer.
[10:58]  Christian Colville accepted your inventory offer.
[10:59]  Torley Linden: Wheeeeeee
[10:59]  Torley Linden: Hello!!!
[10:59]  Christian Colville accepted your inventory offer.
[10:59]  Wishmaster Delcon: thanks Benjamin
[10:59]  Suzanne Zeluco: hi Torley
[10:59]  You: hey Torley!
[10:59]  Christian Colville: thanks Ben!
[10:59]  Vent Sinatra: HEy! Torley :))) Just talking about you!
[10:59]  Christian Colville: hello Torley
[10:59]  Torley Linden: Hey Benjamin, Suzanne, Christian, Wishmaster, Vent, Revolution!
[10:59]  Torley Linden: Nice to see you all here.
[10:59]  Torley Linden: Oh kewl beans.
[10:59]  Vent Sinatra: Hmmm didnt expect you to look like that
[10:59]  Revolution Perenti: hi Torley
[10:59]  Wishmaster Delcon: hi torly
[10:59]  Torley Linden: I change shape a lot...
[10:59]  Torley Linden: I'm a metamorph.
[10:59]  Vent Sinatra: cool
[11:00]  Revolution Perenti: hehe everytime i see you , your different
[11:00]  Suzanne Zeluco: well i won't disturb any further now, thank you Ben if you can help ... take care all
[11:00]  Torley Linden: :D
[11:00]  Revolution Perenti: always colorfull :P
[11:00]  Christian Colville: bye Suzanne
[11:00]  Vent Sinatra: You must be having a great time over there! :)
[11:00]  Blue Linden is Offline
[11:00]  Vent Sinatra: Mmm, maybe i'll sit done then :)
[11:01]  Vent Sinatra: down
[11:01]  Revolution Perenti: my bear torley
[11:01]  You: Vent, Torley said we're working with our network partners to fix address the issues in that Jira
[11:01]  Christian Colville: that's a great panda av Torley (assuming it IS a panda)
[11:01]  Revolution Perenti  is Online
[11:01]  Torley Linden: Yes it is.
[11:01]  Torley Linden: PANDA STYLE!
[11:01]  Vent Sinatra: Ok , thats good to hair. If there is anything I can do for you guys. I'm online A LOT
[11:02]  Christian Colville: lol
[11:02]  Revolution Perenti: Torley there still seems to be issue with logins in some cases and high memory issues when sl been on for a while
[11:02]  Char Linden is Offline
[11:02]  Char Linden is Online
[11:02]  Torley Linden: Vent, I'm going to keep posting updates to that issue as I get them.
[11:02]  Vent Sinatra: Happy to test, trace routes whatever
[11:02]  Revolution Perenti: im going to start backtracing some issues tonight nad bring these up with Rob
[11:02]  Torley Linden: Revolution: Any specific Issue Tracker #s you can point me to, or ones you reported?
[11:02]  Torley Linden: Specific causes should be determined. :)
[11:02]  Revolution Perenti: well right now seems to be related to x586
[11:02]  Vent Sinatra: Torley, I understand, Just wanted to say, a lot is posted on jira and the forum... and not everyone understands how internet works.
[11:03]  Revolution Perenti: with dual cores , memory dumps are really cryitical since 1.15.0 release
[11:03]  Torley Linden: *nod* Always good to learn more.
[11:03]  Revolution Perenti: i not had a chance to look at bugs and reports , as that website kinda slow to naviagte
[11:03]  Torley Linden: Revolution: I'm on a dual-core system, what do you mean by "memory dump"?
[11:03]  Torley Linden: If it's a paging file (virtual memory) getting bloated...
[11:03]  Torley Linden: Oh I know that one, that's in PJIRA.
[11:03]  Torley Linden: Sec...
[11:03]  Revolution Perenti: like its leaking
[11:04]  Torley Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-364
[11:04]  Torley Linden: ^ look at that
[11:04]  Revolution Perenti: more memory being used and putting alot of strain on the cpu
[11:04]  Torley Linden: Is that the one?
[11:04]  Revolution Perenti: yes
[11:04]  Torley Linden: Whenever possible, it's a good idea to search the Issue Tracker and file new issues if they're not already reported so at least there's a record out there.
[11:05]  Revolution Perenti: that looks like it
[11:05]  Revolution Perenti: i had the problem since this release, im going to backtrace this tonight and submit some fixes if i can
[11:05]  Torley Linden: Cool, thanks!
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: also torley
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: ever since 1.15
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: there issue with cache
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: i having to delete it manually
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: seems inventry issues, also friends list issues
[11:06]  Revolution Perenti: who online etc
[11:06]  Torley Linden: Hrmmm some of those may already be in the Issue Tracker -- Friends List is for sure
[11:06]  Torley Linden: that's SVC-85 :)
[11:06]  Torley Linden: Top priority for us to fix soon.
[11:07]  Gulliver Linden is Offline
[11:07]  Revolution Perenti: also big issue with groups, when you close a group masses of messages still coming in reguarless
[11:07]  Christian Colville: so is that Rolling Stone article right about there being database scaling issues above 40K concurrent users?
[11:07]  Torley Linden: Yup that's also on there. :)
[11:07]  Wishmaster Delcon: yes i have noticed that too rev
[11:07]  Torley Linden: Feel free to search!
[11:08]  Revolution Perenti: well i have a nice browe tonight, maybe start contributing to sl
[11:08]  Torley Linden: Group IMs not working right - https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-513
[11:08]  Revolution Perenti: prety much contrib everywhere else
[11:08]  Torley Linden: That would be lovely... thanks.
[11:08]  Christian Colville: hi Armin
[11:09]  Revolution Perenti: oh torley im a guy by the way, just to clear things up :P
[11:09]  You: hi Armin. welcome
[11:09]  Torley Linden: =)
[11:09]  Torley Linden: Heya Armin!
[11:09]  Revolution Perenti: even alot of guys have crushes on me
[11:09]  You: well guys, Torley and I have a meeting to go to so we need to wrap this up
[11:09]  Armin Karas: Hy Tordley
[11:09]  Revolution Perenti: was even offered everything you can imagine once , so i prefer to tell people now
[11:09]  Vent Sinatra: yeah, guess you must be pretty busy..... :))
[11:10]  Vent Sinatra: dont have too many meetings!:)
[11:10]  Torley Linden: Hehe.
[11:10]  Christian Colville: ok have a good meeting guys pleasure to meet you
[11:10]  Torley Linden: Have a good day!
[11:10]  Revolution Perenti: you off hun ...
[11:10]  Wishmaster Delcon: yes have a good meeting pleased to meet you
[11:10]  You: thanks for coming everyone!
[11:10]  Vent Sinatra: you too torley and Benjamin. !
[11:10]  Torley Linden: Take care everyone, good to see you.
[11:10]  Christian Colville: oh btw how do I get onto sldev?
[11:10]  You: feel free to stop by again, every Tues and Thurs
[11:10]  Revolution Perenti: take care *hugs*
[11:10]  You: there are instructions on the open source site, Christian
[11:10]  Karen Linden is Offline
[11:10]  You: or I'm sure Revolution can help you
[11:11]  Christian Colville: great thanks Ben