User:Which Linden/Office Hours/2009 July 30

• [11:02] reddot99 Republic: he which
• [11:02] reddot99 Republic: hey
• [11:03] Which Linden: good morning
• [11:03] Which Linden: How are y'all?
• [11:03] reddot99 Republic: after noon here but thanks :p
• [11:03] Which Linden: it's always a pleasure to meet people who are in different time zones
• [11:04] reddot99 Republic: well, im only on the east coast, not that far :p
• [11:04] reddot99 Republic: do you know if andrew is online?
• [11:05] Which Linden: I do not know
• [11:05] Which Linden: I guess not?
• [11:05] Which Linden: ....and of course in SL time it's late afternoon early evening
• [11:06] reddot99 Republic: i just dont want to wait 6 hours to find out about a bug, lol
• [11:06] Which Linden: Any more L$ issues, techwolf?
• [11:06] reddot99 Republic: for some reason i think he's not totally here,
• [11:07] Which Linden: Heh
• [11:07] Which Linden: Hi Aimee!
• [11:07] Aimee Trescothick: lo :)
• [11:08] Aimee Trescothick: OMG, no tiny bloo kitty? The world must be ending
• [11:08] Saijanai Kuhn: she's offline. OMG OMG OMG
• [11:08] Which Linden: Oh the humanity
• [11:08] Aimee Trescothick: the sky is falling!
• [11:08] Which Linden: Perhaps there was a power outage
• [11:09] reddot99 Republic: felinity in that case i think
• [11:09] Aimee Trescothick: I don't think Morgaine is the type to let a little thing like lack of power stop her doing anything lol
• [11:10] reddot99 Republic: asset server could be messing up, or she'soverslept
• [11:11] Which Linden: Oh the asset server...what can't we blame it for?
• [11:11] Aimee Trescothick: it needs rebranding
• [11:11] reddot99 Republic: bad government outside sl,
• [11:12] Aimee Trescothick: how about ... the Repository of 'Stuff'
• [11:12] Aimee Trescothick: said in the voice of Jeremy Clarkson
• [11:13] Aimee Trescothick: hmm, not sure he's known outside the UK thinking about it lol
• [11:13] Which Linden: I know who he is
• [11:13] Aimee Trescothick:  :)
• [11:13] reddot99 Republic: yeah, it is slightly too easy to make fun of...(cough "asshat server" cough)
• [11:13] Which Linden: He is kind of a jerk, but that's also his schtick
• [11:13] Saijanai Kuhn: [1]
• [11:13] Aimee Trescothick: yeah, he's a deliberate jerk
• [11:14] Aimee Trescothick: wonders if there's also a GoodbyeSphere
• [11:14] Which Linden: Has anyone else had any issues with L$ since last week? The entire grid is now using web services. Haven't seen anything go more poorly than usual, but just checking with y'all to see if there's anything we might have missed.
• [11:15] Which Linden: (anyone besides techwolf that is)
• [11:15] reddot99 Republic: nope, not seen anything at all
• [11:15] Aimee Trescothick: nope
• [11:16] Skills Hak: is it still possible to inject malicious javascript into the transaction history? ^.^
• [11:16] Skills Hak: nvm off topic :)
• [11:16] Skills Hak: other than being charged twice for uploads it seems ok
• [11:17] Skills Hak: but thats another story with the legacy uploads etc
• [11:17] Which Linden: Skills: agh, hopefully not
• [11:17] Mojito Sorbet: I dont think it charges twice. It just tells you twice
• [11:17] Which Linden: Oh and the uploads is just a duplicate notification
• [11:17] Which Linden: it's not actually a double charge
• [11:17] Which Linden: what mojito said
• [11:17] Skills Hak: didn't happen to me
• [11:17] Mojito Sorbet: I watched my balance, and it only went down 10L
• [11:18] Which Linden: I think it's a hybrid viewer/sim issue
• [11:18] Skills Hak: coolies
• [11:18] Which Linden: Since the sim sends the viewer a message that says "hey I did this transaction for you" and simultaneously the viewer asks for a balance update
• [11:18] reddot99 Republic: though, i 've not done any transactions since last time, except listing a few things on xstreet, freebies sell well, but artillery certianly doesnt... sorry rambling,
• [11:19] reddot99 Republic: oh and which, i've got a sort of followup question to lastweeks about the how long account inventories last...
• [11:20] reddot99 Republic: how long do sim backups stay around, after the sim is removed from the server rack, or however you do it,
• [11:20] Which Linden: Heh, ask away, I'm not sure if I'll be able to answer, again. :-)
• [11:20] Which Linden: Oh I have no idea
• [11:21] reddot99 Republic: is it possible to return a sim that was around say a year ago, but isnt today?
• [11:22] Which Linden: Maybe? No idea! Seems like it would be wasteful to keep that much data around so probably not
• [11:22] Skills Hak: thats a long time :o
• [11:22] Mojito Sorbet: Too long ago, even the data formats may have changed
• [11:24] Which Linden: Possibly, yeah
• [11:25] Which Linden: So....I don't really have a technical topic today....aside from the L$ thing
• [11:26] Which Linden: anyone got anything they want to talk about and I can answer?
• [11:26] reddot99 Republic: lol
• [11:26] Skills Hak: ugh i need to get rodney to remove that voice announcement prim lol
• [11:27] Mojito Sorbet: Oh, here is an odd one
• [11:28] Mojito Sorbet: 6months ago I bough a "Witcher HUD", whicn amon other thngs does remote TP and remoate scanning
• [11:28] Mojito Sorbet: Suddenly today it acts funny.
• [11:28] Mojito Sorbet: Recalling a TP point at ground level, and step through it, I end up 600m in the air
• [11:28] Mojito Sorbet: The correct destuination was also at ground level, in the same sim.
• [11:28] Mojito Sorbet: That has always worked flawlessly
• [11:29] reddot99 Republic: has it worked inbetween the times?
• [11:29] Mojito Sorbet: Last time I used it was maybe just before the latest server upgrades.
• [11:29] Mojito Sorbet: Certainly worked in 1.26
• [11:29] Mojito Sorbet: Like in June
• [11:30] Mojito Sorbet: But it seems to work some places and noth others.
• [11:30] Which Linden: Eh....that's weird
• [11:30] reddot99 Republic: does it reproduce this everytime you try it?
• [11:30] Mojito Sorbet: I need to check server versions
• [11:30] Mojito Sorbet: Well, in one particular sim it does
• [11:30] Mojito Sorbet: It has one command to memorize a place. Then you can later recall that spot
• [11:30] Which Linden: Man those words "one particular sim" are both scary and relieving to a developer.
• [11:30] reddot99 Republic: were there banlines or no entry parcels between you and the target?
• [11:31] Mojito Sorbet: It rezzes an effect for the portal , which you touch, and it zips you to the other end.
• [11:31] Mojito Sorbet: nope
• [11:31] Skills Hak: btw simstate backups:
• [11:31] Skills Hak: [11:30
• [11:30] Linden: most: sims have states going back a year.
• [11:31] Mojito Sorbet: And I have rez perms
• [11:31] Mojito Sorbet: And script perms
• [11:31] Mojito Sorbet: Another clue - the distance scan times out, like it can not rez the remote scanners
• [11:32] reddot99 Republic: lsl cant detect if you in particullar do, it only knows if everyone does
• [11:32] Which Linden: Oh, that makes sense about the simstates. We must have some use case for that or else it wouldn't be worth bothering with such effort curating the simstates.
• [11:32] Mojito Sorbet: I will go get server versions. brb
• [11:33] Saijanai Kuhn: which did you see that notice about the Qwaq simstate file format?
• [11:33] reddot99 Republic: skills, can you see about sims that are currently nonexistant?
• [11:33] Which Linden: Sai: no, didn't see it
• [11:33] Which Linden: Where should I look?
• [11:33] Dicewolf Aeon: i came to steal your Linden bear :P
• [11:33] Skills Hak: not sure i guess best would be to contact support and have them look it up
• [11:33] Which Linden: Oh it's thievery we're about today is it?
• [11:34] Which Linden: Ok hold on
• [11:34] Mojito Sorbet: Both at 1.27.1 server. Works one place, not the other
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: :P
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: i am tryin to collect
• [11:34] Mojito Sorbet: I have IMed the maker of the HUD.
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: accepted your inventory offer.
• [11:34] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you Croquet persistent world file.
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: hey witch
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: what color you like
• [11:34] Dicewolf Aeon: Blue red or green?
• [11:34] Which Linden: How about blue?
• [11:34] Which Linden: anyone else want a bear?
• [11:35] Dicewolf Aeon: gave you Love Glasses Blue.
• [11:35] Dicewolf Aeon: i give all the linden the glasses i made
• [11:35] Aimee Trescothick: oo, me me!
• [11:35] Mojito Sorbet: Anything special about these bears?
• [11:35] reddot99 Republic: mmight as well take one, i can get your uuid from it i bet :p
• [11:35] Which Linden: cute!
• [11:35] Mojito Sorbet: I'll take one
• [11:35] Dicewolf Aeon: ^.-
• [11:36] Dicewolf Aeon: thanks witch
• [11:36] Dicewolf Aeon: i gotta collect any bear i can
• [11:36] Mojito Sorbet: accepted your inventory offer.
• [11:36] Skills Hak: accepted your inventory offer.
• [11:36] JayR Cela: accepted your inventory offer.
• [11:36] Skills Hak: ty :)
• [11:36] Dicewolf Aeon: lets se... i go dan, Cg, Alexa, Dj and yours :P
• [11:36] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey JayR
• [11:36] Saijanai Kuhn: accepted your inventory offer.
• [11:36] JayR Cela: ty Which
• [11:36] Mojito Sorbet: thanks
• [11:36] Aimee Trescothick: I'll swap your bear for mine Which :D
• [11:36] Which Linden: heh, enjoy
• [11:37] JayR Cela: hi there SAi / hello everyone :_)
• [11:37] reddot99 Republic: there is a linden bear catagory on xstreet
• [11:37] Which Linden: hi jayr
• [11:37] Mojito Sorbet: It doesnt have evil scripts in it does it? lol
• [11:37] Which Linden: ah sai, every practical
• [11:37] Which Linden: *ever
• [11:37] Dicewolf Aeon: keep the shades which
• [11:37] Dicewolf Aeon: :P
• [11:37] Which Linden: now scripts are on
• [11:38] reddot99 Republic: oh hey, scripts turned on,
• [11:38] Which Linden: but no, nothing in my bear, though that would be hilarious
• [11:38] Mojito Sorbet: Where is that voice coming from?
• [11:38] Which Linden: the voice is from the neighboring build
• [11:38] Mojito Sorbet: ok
• [11:38] Skills Hak: haha my bad
• [11:38] Dicewolf Aeon: :P
• [11:38] Skills Hak: i built that for rodney
• [11:38] Which Linden: It's, ah, kind of surreal
• [11:39] Skills Hak: its really annoying after some time i guess
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: hey Which know any online Admins?
• [11:39] reddot99 Republic: yay, more uuids for the linden online checker
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: Lindens :P
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: so i can steal their bear :P
• [11:39] Which Linden: How does the linden online checker work?
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: i usualy just type Linden in the searc h
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: and go thru am, see whos online
• [11:39] reddot99 Republic: [11:39
• [11:39] Info HUD: V 3.0.7: Online: Amber, Data, Dee, Minerva, *Patch, *Michael
• [11:39] Skills Hak: lsl asking dataserver ?
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: but it takes like 30 mins
• [11:39] Dicewolf Aeon: Oooh.... I need one of thoughs!
• [11:40] reddot99 Republic: asking dataserver yes,
• [11:40] Skills Hak: btw we are going to implement an lsl bridge into greenlife emerald
• [11:40] Dicewolf Aeon: i'll see yall later
• [11:40] Skills Hak: so you can do do things like see online status of everyone
• [11:40] reddot99 Republic: gave you linden.
• [11:40] Dicewolf Aeon: ty for the bear
• [11:40] Which Linden: thanks for the script
• [11:41] Skills Hak: still have to check if thats ok with the tos
• [11:41] reddot99 Republic: its fairly basic, and it is legal,
• [11:41] Skills Hak: yup think so too
• [11:41] Which Linden: Oh I guess we just have an LSL call to see if someone's online. :-)
• [11:42] reddot99 Republic: it could be used for more then that
• [11:42] Skills Hak: yes lots of things
• [11:42] Skills Hak: "clientside" flight assist
• [11:42] Skills Hak: dataserver access
• [11:42] reddot99 Republic: can check payment info
• [11:42] Skills Hak: yup
• [11:42] Skills Hak: online status on every profile
• [11:43] reddot99 Republic: i was refering to the script i gavve which :p
• [11:43] Skills Hak: ahh
• [11:43] reddot99 Republic: not sure about the lsl bridge thing though,
• [11:43] Skills Hak: same thing basically :)
• [11:44] reddot99 Republic: would be best if left to the labs i think,
• [11:44] Which Linden: Really, you can call llrequestagentdata with a flag to see if someone has payment info?
• [11:44] reddot99 Republic: yes
• [11:45] Which Linden: I guess that's already on your profile so it's not secret
• [11:45] reddot99 Republic: and also it tells if it's used or not
• [11:45] Which Linden: Interesting....I didn't know about this
• [11:45] Which Linden: I'm kind of an LSL n00b.
• [11:46] reddot99 Republic: [11:45
• secondlife:///app/agent/2d176a9d-cc99-439d-9fde-f951eee8aaad/about
• [11:46] Which Linden: I'm always surprised by how vast the API we produce is
• [11:46] reddot99 Republic: lol, most others are surprised by its limitations as well,
• [11:46] Mojito Sorbet: It reveals which HUDs I am wearing? wow
• [11:46] reddot99 Republic: no, not which huds
• [11:47] Which Linden: Hm tha language flag would be useful for making localized vendors and stuff
• [11:47] Mojito Sorbet: Oh, that is YOUR HUD. Twisted, etc
• [11:47] reddot99 Republic: yeah, lol
• [11:47] Skills Hak: you could do that with the viewer though
• [11:47] reddot99 Republic: you could, bu a vender isnt a veiwer
• [11:47] Skills Hak: find out object names on hud attachment points etc
• [11:47] reddot99 Republic: and you already can call that up forthe most part
• [11:48] reddot99 Republic: but yeah, a lot more info is availbe to a veiwer then most folks realize
• [11:49] Icra Revnik: hello
• [11:49] reddot99 Republic: hey,
• [11:50] Icra Revnik: can someone help me?
• [11:50] reddot99 Republic: what with?
• [11:50] Which Linden: Hi icra
• [11:50] Icra Revnik: hellp
• [11:50] Icra Revnik: hello
• [11:50] Which Linden: What is the problem?
• [11:50] Icra Revnik: i have build a villa
• [11:51] Icra Revnik: it was trans untill i have link it
• [11:51] Icra Revnik: no i have unlinked it
• [11:51] Icra Revnik: and all of the prims are no trans
• [11:51] reddot99 Republic: you linked it to a no trans object,
• [11:51] Icra Revnik: *now
• [11:52] reddot99 Republic: not sure why it might have reverted
• [11:52] Which Linden: Oh man this question is totally out of my area of expertise
• [11:52] Skills Hak: gotta run, laters :)
• [11:52] Which Linden: has no idea about permissions
• [11:52] Which Linden: Thanks for dropping by Skills :-)
• [11:52] Icra Revnik: can you give me a contact that is in that area pls?
• [11:52] Aimee Trescothick: are there scripts in the prims by any chance?
• [11:53] reddot99 Republic: try a support ticket
• [11:53] Which Linden: I suppose you could also try asking around in a sandbox area, I imagine people building there are pretty knowledgeable
• [11:54] Saijanai Kuhn: goes afk as though anyone carezzzzzzzzzzz...
• [11:54] Icra Revnik: ok
• [11:54] Icra Revnik: ty
• [11:54] Which Linden: I care, Sai! America cares!
• [11:56] reddot99 Republic: is it possible to convince a linden to change permissions on something a person created on a nother account? bi reason i've been asking is over a sim a friend had made and then they left sl, and they have no mod no trans backups on an alt that survived, any chance those could get made full permissions, if they were to prove they were the same person?
• [11:57] reddot99 Republic: yay for two chat bars
• [11:57] Which Linden: reddot: you're going to laugh but my suggestion is to file a support ticket :-)
• [11:57] Which Linden: oh you didn't mean to ask me?
• [11:58] reddot99 Republic: asked if its possible to convince a linden :p plus the support ticket system is very close to useless for a basic account with the exception of dealing with governance issues
• [11:59] Which Linden: It's possible to convince a Linden of anything, given enough butter
• [11:59] reddot99 Republic: so i gotta go find a huge thing of butter then
• [12:00] Which Linden: But in general I think we'd be pretty wary. It only takes one scammer with bad intentions to scare off everyone from doing this sort of service for everyone
• [12:00] JayR Cela: *waves* byeee everyone / i gotta run / c-ya's:_)
• [12:01] reddot99 Republic: well, regarding the butter, could i pay for a prenium account with butter?
• [12:02] reddot99 Republic: just being silly now :p
• [12:02] Which Linden: Heh.....we're working on a new butter-based payment system
• [12:02] Which Linden: PayCream
• [12:02] reddot99 Republic: lol,
• [12:03] Which Linden: I should probably run too. Thanks for stopping by!
• [12:03] reddot99 Republic: see ya which,
• [12:03] reddot99 Republic: lol
• [12:03] reddot99 Republic: dont slip on any butter lying about,
• [12:03] Dicewolf Aeon: accepted your inventory offer.
• [12:03] Aimee Trescothick: bye!
• [12:04] Which Linden: Peace!