HCI/ Benjamin Linden OH Transcript

[15:08] Gloria Caudron: maybe we'll start now [15:08] Jacek Antonelli: (No video, just texture) [15:08] Benjamin Linden: yes let's get started [15:08] Gloria Caudron: ok sure [15:08] Gloria Caudron: We are team of 5 graduate students [15:08] Gloria Caudron: as the slide mentions, we are working with Linden Lab [15:09] Gloria Caudron: to help enrich the user experience [15:09] Gloria Caudron: we can go to the next slide [15:09] Benjamin Linden: now we can wait another five minutes :-) [15:09] Marilyn Undercroft: this may take a minute :( [15:09] Gloria Caudron: :) [15:09] Ara Ember: -0- [15:09] Tomiko: LOL [15:10] Marilyn Undercroft: ooo... alittle faster! [15:10] Ara Ember: it rezzed for me [15:10] Gloria Caudron: Ok [15:11] Gloria Caudron: so three main features in our system are these [15:11] Gloria Caudron: Mainly the Recommendations system, where the system [15:11] Gloria Caudron: can recommend events, places, and groups for Residents [15:11] Gloria Caudron: specific to their personal interests [15:11] Gloria Caudron: The second feature is the Rating system [15:12] Gloria Caudron: where Residents can rate events and places [15:12] Gloria Caudron: if they enjoy it or not [15:12] Gloria Caudron: and also post comments [15:12] Gloria Caudron: for other Residents to read [15:12] Gloria Caudron: The Rating system will feed into the Recommendations system [15:13] Lars Donardson sees major potential for abuse of these points [15:13] Gloria Caudron: to help contribute to recommendations [15:13] Jacek Antonelli is jotting some feedback in a notecard for after Gloria's done :) [15:13] Ara Ember: :D thanks :) [15:13] Gloria Caudron: yes thanks for jotting feedback [15:13] Gloria Caudron: we will definietly be interested in hearing it in a moment [15:13] Gloria Caudron: The third main compenent is the Interests/Tagging feature [15:14] Gloria Caudron: where each event/place/group will have keywords [15:14] Gloria Caudron: associated with it [15:14] Gloria Caudron: also called categories/tags/interests [15:14] Gloria Caudron: So for example if you like a place called "Karen's Karaoke" [15:14] Gloria Caudron: certain keywords will be associated with this place [15:15] Gloria Caudron: like karaoke, singing, music, etc [15:15] Gloria Caudron: so if you have told the system you like these things [15:15] Gloria Caudron: it will recommend you event/places/groups [15:15] Gloria Caudron: with these same keywords [15:15] Tomiko: And other people? With similar interests? : ) [15:16] Gloria Caudron: These are the main concepts this system [15:16] Marilyn Undercroft: ben get the next slide ready please :) [15:16] Ara Ember: hmm.. we were thinking about that. [15:16] Gloria Caudron: It will not recommend people, mainly events, places, groups [15:16] Kippie Friedkin: Ben seems to have crashed a couple of minutes ago :\ [15:16] Jacek Antonelli: ruh roh [15:16] Ara Ember: but people found it much less useful than events places and groups [15:16] Gloria Caudron: we'll go to the last slide [15:16] Tomiko: I think that would be a good feature, to be able to search for people in Second Life who have similar interests etc. :) [15:16] Marilyn Undercroft: uh oh! [15:16] McCabe Maxsted: doh [15:17] Gloria Caudron: doh! [15:17] Marilyn Undercroft: the last slide just says the aspects we'd like feedback on [15:17] You: I think all of the other things Gloria has mentioned are Existing features in the Client, and why make new when Linden Lab can and should improve the current features? [15:17] Marilyn Undercroft: we can get it up when ben gets back [15:17] You: Key words into Land description etc. [15:17] Gloria Caudron: There are three main things we would like your feedback on [15:17] Gloria Caudron: 1 - what you find useful about our system [15:18] Gloria Caudron: (we will show you a prototype) [15:18] Ara Ember: hmm... somewhat different from existing features, cuz now it's tailored to you. [15:18] Gloria Caudron: what aspects you might find confusing [15:18] Gloria Caudron: and what features you would or would not use [15:18] Gloria Caudron: Before we go into the prototype, it sounds like there is some feedback already [15:19] Joeseph Albanese: Need a focus/test group [15:19] Marilyn Undercroft: however they are only accessible to a small group of experienced Residents [15:19] Trinity Coulter: How would you protect it from abuse? [15:19] Marilyn Undercroft: it's very difficult for new and regular uses to access [15:19] Ara Ember: yes :) we are going to do the user testing soon.. and we are hoping this session will turn out to be like a focus group :) [15:19] Lars Donardson: exactly..the rating feature calls for "flame wars"/abuse [15:19] Gloria Caudron: there are certain things we would have in place for abuse [15:19] Trinity Coulter: which would be what/ [15:19] Trinity Coulter: ? [15:20] Gloria Caudron: it might be more clear once we show you [15:20] Gloria Caudron: the prototype [15:20] Kippie Friedkin: How are keywords determined for places and events? [15:20] McCabe Maxsted: is the rating both positive and negative, or just positive? [15:20] Trinity Coulter: Second Life differs from Social Networking in that it has a strong commerce base and therefore a strong incentive to abuse the system [15:20] Marilyn Undercroft: negative and positive [15:20] Trinity Coulter: abuse becomes cash [15:20] Lars Donardson nods at Trinity [15:20] Aimee Trescothick: as was seen in the old profile ratings [15:21] Gloria Caudron: We thought alot about this since there are alot of things such as campers [15:21] Gloria Caudron: so one of the things is that we make the person's profile more public [15:21] Gloria Caudron: the person who posts the comment [15:21] Gloria Caudron: so there is more accountability to posting misleading comments [15:21] Joeseph Albanese: here come the alts indroves [15:22] Trinity Coulter: accountability means alts [15:22] Marilyn Undercroft: determining the initial functionality was our first goal, but we are continuing to try and assure that it is gamed as little as possible [15:22] Jacek Antonelli: let's let her explain, okay? [15:22] Lars Donardson already hears the "fould· "breach of privacy" cries [15:22] Lars Donardson: *foul [15:22] Benjamin Linden: sorry folks, SL crashed my computer [15:22] Trinity Coulter: I think its a good idea, but it is VERY open to abuse [15:22] Nine Moulliez: Prototype Link: http://www.sjstevewon.com/sl/SL_hifi_iter1.html [15:22] McCabe Maxsted: wb ben [15:22] Gloria Caudron: why don't we show you now [15:22] Benjamin Linden: who builds this app anyway? [15:22] Gloria Caudron: Nine just posted the URL [15:22] Tomiko: Also, Second Life currently has all this; Search for Places, Groups, Events, Ratings etc. [15:22] Tomiko: So why make a new system? [15:22] McCabe Maxsted: hehe [15:22] Nine Moulliez: Prototype Link: http://www.sjstevewon.com/sl/SL_hifi_iter1.html [15:22] Aimee Trescothick: it wasn't built Ben, it evolved lol [15:22] You: People can already search what they want, and their matches come up [15:23] Marilyn Undercroft: our user studies showed that search failed many users [15:23] Benjamin Linden: can someone send me a chat transcript from the past 10 minutes? [15:23] Marilyn Undercroft: it also doesn't expose new users to the possibilities in SL [15:23] Grant Linden: yes ben [15:23] Trinity Coulter: Linden Lab once had a thing called "dwell"... it was abused [15:23] Benjamin Linden: thanks Grant [15:23] Trinity Coulter: Linden Lab once had a thing called "ratings", they were abused [15:23] Marilyn Undercroft: they have to come up with what to search for themselves [15:23] Trinity Coulter: Linden Lab right now has a thing called traffic and it IS abused [15:24] Jacek Antonelli: Guys -- let them finish describing the system before you start bashing on it with a hammer? [15:24] Trinity Coulter: so anything new should be airtight as much as possible upfront [15:24] Marilyn Undercroft: yes we know about traffic, it's one of the reasons we took this direction [15:24] Lars Donardson: pfttt...*kicks server* [15:24] Benjamin Linden: thanks Lars [15:24] Gloria Caudron: We feel this is different from the Search in that it gives you tailored [15:25] Gloria Caudron: recommendations to you based on ratings and your interests [15:25] Marilyn Undercroft: are people able to see the prototype? [15:25] Dakota Schwade: YEs. [15:25] Jingidy Dumpling: please keep in mind the prototype is a work in progress [15:25] Gloria Caudron: you have to maximize the browser window [15:25] Marilyn Undercroft: if you missed it: [15:25] Marilyn Undercroft: http://www.sjstevewon.com/sl/SL_hifi_iter1.html [15:25] Garn Conover: this sounds like that LM sharer that was talked abotu a while back [15:25] Jingidy Dumpling: some features are not implemented yet [15:26] Jingidy Dumpling: for example, the "why is this recommended" and "options" links take you to something and gets stuck there [15:26] Jingidy Dumpling: you will have to refresh to be able to go back [15:28] Lars Donardson: how is this "you know 999 people here" determined? [15:28] Marilyn Undercroft: it was for correct design spacing [15:28] Marilyn Undercroft: it should have updated [15:29] Jacek Antonelli: Could you explain the "Wander" button for us? [15:29] Gloria Caudron: the Wander button will take you to a "random" place [15:30] Garn Conover: if this can somehow eliminate abuse i dont see why it cant be joined w/ the exisiting system [15:30] Marilyn Undercroft: please explain [15:30] Marilyn Undercroft: do you mean in Search, or... [15:30] Ara Ember: the wander button is like i feel l ucky button [15:30] Ara Ember: it sends you to random place that matches your interest [15:30] Gloria Caudron: also by "random" I mean it would be based on your interests to some degree [15:31] Jacek Antonelli: Sounds good [15:31] Marilyn Undercroft: it's like going to a recommended place, witht the same algorythm behind it [15:31] Jacek Antonelli thinks the "I'm bored" button ^_^ [15:31] McCabe Maxsted: hehe [15:31] Kippie Friedkin: heh..yep! [15:31] Ara Ember agrees [15:31] McCabe Maxsted was thinking the same [15:31] Aimee Trescothick: bit like StumbleUpon [15:31] Jacek Antonelli: yeah :) [15:32] Kippie Friedkin: yep [15:32] Garn Conover: did we loose Ben again? [15:32] Marilyn Undercroft: inspiration identified! [15:32] Kippie Friedkin: we sure did [15:32] Malbers Linden: Bn has left the building [15:32] Aimee Trescothick: :D [15:32] Marilyn Undercroft: yup, ben seems to be having some problems [15:32] Garn Conover: too many av's! lol [15:32] McCabe Maxsted: hamsters got lose [15:32] McCabe Maxsted: someone has to chase 'em down [15:32] Jacek Antonelli: hehe [15:32] Gloria Caudron: :) [15:33] Dakota Schwade: So in some ways this is related to Jeska Linden's "LL Traffic Future" activities, yes? [15:33] Jacek Antonelli: This circle "refresh"-looking arrow comes up with a random listing (weighted for your preferences) for you to look at? And then you have the back and forward history buttons? [15:33] Aimee Trescothick volunteers for hamster chasing duties [15:33] Lars Donardson: is the "X people you know like this" and "you know XXX people here" linked toy your friendslist ? [15:33] Gloria Caudron: yes linked to your friends list [15:34] Jingidy Dumpling: yes [15:34] Marilyn Undercroft: we have recently reworked that butoon (refresh)... it's outta there! [15:34] Marilyn Undercroft: needs spell check ;) [15:34] Dakota Schwade: And initially, everything in SL will be un-rated, with ratings building over time? [15:34] Gloria Caudron: not sure about "LL Traffic Future" activities [15:35] Marilyn Undercroft: yes though we hope to devise a way to increase the speed at which things will be rated [15:35] Lars Donardson: now..that for example is not a feature I'd like all the time to be honest..did you consider building a "hide" function into it? [15:35] Dakota Schwade: Traffic = Popularity in many eyes. [15:35] Marilyn Undercroft: do you mean the bar or the big window? [15:35] Marilyn Undercroft: to hide [15:35] Lars Donardson: I don't need to tp into a region and be automatically seen to all my friends on the list [15:35] Gloria Caudron: yes good point [15:36] Gloria Caudron: you could opt out of it [15:36] Gloria Caudron: it's only if you were open to ppl contacting you at that time [15:36] Marilyn Undercroft: like 'find on map' [15:36] Jacek Antonelli: Cool [15:36] Jacek Antonelli: wb Ben [15:36] Benjamin Linden: thanks [15:37] Benjamin Linden: clearly RC13 not so lucky for me [15:37] Lars Donardson hands Benjamin some superglue to glue his bum to the grid [15:37] McCabe Maxsted: hehe [15:37] Kippie Friedkin: lol [15:37] Benjamin Linden: heh thanks Lars [15:37] Marilyn Undercroft: tee hee [15:37] McCabe Maxsted: so will this be strictly an inworld tool? [15:37] Ara Ember: lmao [15:37] Marilyn Undercroft: there's been some discussion on that point but we haven't developed anything for the web yet [15:38] Kippie Friedkin is taking lots of notes :) [15:38] McCabe Maxsted: okay, because there's a lot of text here; I don't know how patient I'd be sitting and reading through it with the 3D world to look at [15:38] Marilyn Undercroft: great thanks! [15:38] Trinity Coulter: rather than a dedicated new addition to the Viewer, why not develop a web-based HUD framework for the Viewer and people can build their own solutions into this same sort of structure? [15:38] Marilyn Undercroft: that's very isolating to new users [15:39] Marilyn Undercroft: though a good idea :) [15:39] Jingidy Dumpling: or do you mean providing a way to easily customize it? [15:39] Dakota Schwade: Yes, HUD to me was a movie title for a long time. [15:39] Jingidy Dumpling: and still have a default [15:39] McCabe Maxsted assumes it'll be skinnable ;) [15:39] Jacek Antonelli: hehehe [15:39] Trinity Coulter: I agree with McCabe about the text overload there [15:39] Trinity Coulter: might need to be streamlined some [15:40] Marilyn Undercroft: we are developing a thumbnail preview/list before all these details, would that help with all the text? [15:40] Jacek Antonelli: thumbnail/preview list would be good [15:40] Trinity Coulter: your typical SL'er will have chat on the bottom, chat in an IM window, and then this added in as well [15:40] Trinity Coulter: not much screen space left for a 3D world [15:40] Jacek Antonelli: Especially with pictures :D [15:40] Marilyn Undercroft: we did leave the bottom left as clear as possible on purpose [15:41] Jingidy Dumpling: and we're trying to leave the middle open too [15:41] Marilyn Undercroft: and you are looking to go to a new place so..... [15:41] Marilyn Undercroft: but i hear ya [15:41] Marilyn Undercroft: in any event, it's still smaller than search [15:41] Trinity Coulter: this could just be part of the place name at the top [15:42] Dakota Schwade: If it is built in to the viewer, images could be a Preference setting. [15:42] Gloria Caudron: It's possible but sometimes we are recommendting groups and events [15:42] Jingidy Dumpling: or maybe whether or not to show that much text could be a preference too [15:42] Trinity Coulter: Gloria, could you explain what you mean by recommending a group? [15:42] Gloria Caudron: yes this would be based on your interests [15:43] Gloria Caudron: So if you have rated thing "thumbs up" which have certain keywords [15:43] McCabe Maxsted: how do you gather our interests? [15:43] Jacek Antonelli likes having a recommendation, instead of having to think of a specific thing that I want to do [15:43] Gloria Caudron: associated with them, similar groups would be recommended to you [15:43] Trinity Coulter: where are the ratings stored? [15:43] Marilyn Undercroft: McCabe- we have several methods.... one is to have you input them directly via your profile [15:43] Gloria Caudron: for example it might recommend a karaoke group if you like Karen's Karaoke place [15:43] Marilyn Undercroft: another is to gather them from your ratings [15:43] Nine Moulliez: can you clarify trinity? [15:44] Marilyn Undercroft: and then another is from the option 'show more like this' [15:44] Nine Moulliez: Ratings would be stored in the database and used in the future for things like recommendations [15:44] Trinity Coulter: well we have data for ratings.... is this stored locally on the user's computer, or is it in the SL database? [15:44] Marilyn Undercroft: in addition, you can browse other people's profiles and add them from there [15:44] Nine Moulliez: Not locally. [15:45] Ara Ember: the ratings are like a property of the land/event/group [15:45] Ara Ember: it's within the information of these [15:45] McCabe Maxsted: hm, okay. I think a lot of people will be worried this will be one of those "track everything you buy" kind of systems [15:45] Trinity Coulter: yes [15:45] Trinity Coulter: giant marketing database [15:45] Marilyn Undercroft: every interest defaults to private and there is no rating of objects [15:46] Jingidy Dumpling: or people [15:46] Ara Ember: oh yeah please join the group if you are interested in helping us further [15:46] Ara Ember: that's what tomiko is sending right now [15:46] Joeseph Albanese: Yeah but essentially you are saying so and so shops here a lot? [15:46] Tomiko: Please join 'HCI - Project Participants' : ) [15:46] Gloria Caudron: also, we would want to make it clear to users at which points [15:46] McCabe Maxsted: what was that? benjamin's offering us a 16th group place just for this? [15:46] Gloria Caudron: we are gathring informaton from them [15:46] McCabe Maxsted: that's so nice of linden labs [15:46] Marilyn Undercroft: hahahha [15:46] McCabe Maxsted: *26th, rather [15:46] Jacek Antonelli: lol [15:46] Trinity Coulter gives McCabe 16 group slots [15:46] Jingidy Dumpling: haha [15:47] Kippie Friedkin: lol [15:47] McCabe Maxsted: hehe [15:47] Lars Donardson waves the "we need more groups" flag [15:47] Kippie Friedkin is going to have to pick a group to leave to join this one [15:47] Gloria Caudron: lol :) [15:47] Dakota Schwade: After a while of gathering "likes" another button could be used to recommend places wildly outside of your interests, as a diversion, perhaps. [15:47] Ara Ember: oops.. [15:47] Marilyn Undercroft: hmmm... intersting! [15:47] Gloria Caudron: yes interesting :) [15:47] Ara Ember: ya :) [15:48] Dakota Schwade: I'm not just another pretty avatar. [15:48] Ara Ember: lol [15:48] Jacek Antonelli: What's the group called? I can't find any HCI - Project Participants... [15:48] Gloria Caudron: lol [15:48] McCabe Maxsted wishes they hadn't turnkated the group search functionality [15:48] Trinity Coulter: if you are going to build something like this idea into the Viewer, you might get more participation from the community by simply creating a set of standards for web-based HUDs or widgets and adding that to the Viewer instead of this... people can develop this system independently [15:48] Jacek Antonelli hates this useless new group search [15:48] McCabe Maxsted: used to be so easy to find groups [15:48] McCabe Maxsted: now, god [15:49] McCabe Maxsted: they don't even show you how many members half the time [15:49] Lars Donardson: Homeless...nope...humanistic...hmmmmm [15:49] Kippie Friedkin: You can click on my profile to find that group. I found it :) [15:49] Jingidy Dumpling: we could consider that as a next step, a web-based HUD [15:49] Jacek Antonelli grumble grumble grumble.... "loco poco" didn't turn up the "loco pocos" group this weekend.. grumble grumble [15:49] McCabe Maxsted: HCI founders? [15:49] Jingidy Dumpling: could be useful [15:49] Aimee Trescothick: Human Computer Interaction? What about Cat Computer Interaction [15:49] Jacek Antonelli: thank you Ara [15:49] Ara Ember: yw [15:50] Marilyn Undercroft: i know they've done dog computer interaction [15:50] Ara Ember: hot cats interaction [15:50] Aimee Trescothick: :D [15:50] McCabe Maxsted: aha thanks kippie [15:50] Jacek Antonelli: "Cat Like Typing Detected!" [15:50] McCabe Maxsted: hehe [15:50] Kippie Friedkin: :) [15:50] Jacek Antonelli: cat-computer interaction = sitting on my keyboard [15:50] McCabe Maxsted: I considered getting that for my cat [15:50] McCabe Maxsted: he loves to hop up and type secret messages [15:50] Jei Desoto: i think as it might have been already said that a system like this integrated in the viewer would allow new players to find it sonner then HUDs. [15:51] Jei Desoto: sooner even. [15:51] Kippie Friedkin: agreed [15:51] Trinity Coulter: this is a HUD [15:51] Aimee Trescothick: it's just a built in one [15:51] Trinity Coulter: i'm suggesting a new type of HUD/widget [15:51] Jingidy Dumpling: like a LL hud that you have by default? [15:51] Trinity Coulter: that is open to user-driven creations [15:51] Trinity Coulter: yes [15:52] Jei Desoto: And i'm giving a reason as to being part of the native UI whould make it easier to new people. [15:52] Trinity Coulter: and could accept web based interfaces, etc [15:52] Ara Ember is Online [15:52] Trinity Coulter: right, but this is a HUD nontheless... built in or not [15:52] Trinity Coulter: certain things will have to be added to the viewer for this to function [15:53] Jei Desoto: Then your previous statement answers itself. [15:53] Jacek Antonelli: Aye, it's a HUD -- rather than a HUD Attachment [15:53] Trinity Coulter: why not just establish a standard for such new things [15:53] Marilyn Undercroft: what types of things trinity? [15:53] Trinity Coulter: and extend content creation to the Viewer itself [15:53] Trinity Coulter: HUD 2.0 [15:53] Ara Ember: 0.0 [15:53] Jingidy Dumpling: Like the toolbar would be a HUD instead [15:53] Jingidy Dumpling: ? [15:53] Aimee Trescothick: Viewer plugins have been talked about a lot in the past [15:53] Lars Donardson points to the open viewer /Dev meetings [15:54] Jacek Antonelli thinks that's probably a teensy bit beyond the scope of their project... [15:54] Trinity Coulter: you're already halfway there with this project [15:54] Jei Desoto: Sounds like a major jump in viewer code though... Might be better to wor toward something like that in steps. [15:54] Jingidy Dumpling: Yeah, we don't really have the resources to accomplish that, for the project [15:55] Dakota Schwade: When are you contemplating testing this ratings system? [15:55] Trinity Coulter: i'm actually just suggesting a simplification :) [15:55] Marilyn Undercroft: asap [15:55] Lars Donardson: RL asap or SL asap [15:55] Ara Ember: we are going to test the design no tthe system itself [15:55] Lars Donardson snickers [15:55] McCabe Maxsted: distribute a hud inworld for us to try out? [15:55] Jei Desoto: Even in simplicity some things take to much code differance if it's function is very differant then current function. So this emediate plan seems like a good step in the right direction for now. [15:56] Gloria Caudron: unforutnately we don't have the resources to do that [15:56] Ara Ember: when Lindens actually make these... ;) [15:56] Jacek Antonelli: hehe [15:56] Ara Ember: so.. we are the designers, not coders [15:56] Aimee Trescothick: problem is the viewer needs a major overhaul to make that possible, but everytime a new feature gets added it makes that task a little more complicated [15:56] Trinity Coulter: yes, exactly my point, Aimee [15:57] Lars Donardson already braces himself for the whining orgy on the blog when this feature will be announced [15:57] Marilyn Undercroft: indeed, we considered reworking this into search but it's, again, outside of our scope [15:57] Tomiko: I'm sure it would go through beta stages and bug testing before it got made the main viewer [15:57] McCabe Maxsted nods [15:57] Trinity Coulter: well, it needs to be rock solid against abuse [15:57] Tomiko: Yes, and it'd all be part of testing and improving [15:57] Marilyn Undercroft: yes, that's our main focus now (abuse) [15:58] Dakota Schwade: Is this system, for lack of my understanding, "bot" proof then? [15:58] Lars Donardson nods..the abuse potential is enormous [15:58] Jingidy Dumpling: depends on how it is implemented? =) [15:58] Jacek Antonelli: I think this system would be a useful addition to the viewer. Benefit well beyond the cost of the added code. [15:58] Jei Desoto: Nothing is rock solid. There are always ways around any abuse free system. So whatever is planned to help keep the abuse down will be enough to suffice... This -is- still in the works. [15:58] Ara Ember: yes. we are spending a lot of time thinking about abuse. [15:59] Grant Linden: We are drawing close to the end of the hour. I want to let everyone know that next week (July 17) Jacek Antonelli will present their design for the viewer contest [15:59] Aimee Trescothick: The was some useful discussion on sl-dev about ways of preventing gaming in the past [15:59] Ara Ember: just tho' if we could find abuse proof way of doing the reputation system.. we definitely will earn a lot of money from amazon ;) [15:59] Jei Desoto: Yeah... Abuse is big thing and all, but i don't wanna see fear of it ruining a potentially good system to find your way around the maze we have now. [15:59] McCabe Maxsted: the potential for abuse is limited by how much effect this will have on SL™ lives, too; you won't be able to ruin someone's business with it, or shouldn't be able to [15:59] Jacek Antonelli: whee :D [15:59] McCabe Maxsted: oooh [15:59] Trinity Coulter: you could limit rating strength on "no payment info" people [15:59] Lars Donardson: I may sound crazy but I can picture estate/club owners actually paying ppl to cast negative votes for competitors [15:59] McCabe Maxsted expects dressing up and laser pointers [15:59] Squirrel Wood: that is definitely going to happen [15:59] Kippie Friedkin: lol [15:59] Jacek Antonelli: Not crazy at all, Lars [16:00] Gloria Caudron: yes were were thinking of Lars' point [16:00] Trinity Coulter: Jei, abuse has to be a serious concern because it is about money here [16:00] Lars Donardson: well..I didn't want to sound too discouraging..lol [16:00] Ara Ember: heh [16:00] Squirrel Wood: create alt, vote negative, dispose of alt.... [16:00] Trinity Coulter: i think these ideas are wonderful [16:00] Trinity Coulter: i love their suggestions [16:00] Trinity Coulter: but it WILL get abused [16:00] Ara Ember: yes. [16:00] Marilyn Undercroft: we are considering some way to dissassociate the rating from the av so you couldn't tell if the person you paid actually did what you asked [16:00] Lars Donardson: and stop this "no payment info talking pls"..not my fault that I can't get one on file grmmph..unless LL changes their policy that is [16:00] Jingidy Dumpling: yup, these are great ideas to try to minimize the abuse [16:00] Tomiko: There could always be banned words for cxomments etc. [16:01] Jei Desoto: Serious yes, and that's my point... as it was stated, they are working on things to keep it to minimum. There fore it shouldn't be a fear to stop something like this being implimneted if they have ways to minimise that risk. [16:01] Grant Linden: Thanks to everyone for coming, one more time I want to let everyone know that next week (July 17) Jacek Antonelli will present their design for the viewer contest [16:01] Gloria Caudron: yes and hopefully since your profile is more public [16:01] Gloria Caudron: there would be more accountability for your posts [16:01] Gloria Caudron: yes thank you [16:01] Nine Moulliez: thank you everyone for all the feedback. they were ery helpful! [16:01] Jingidy Dumpling: thank you so much for all the suggestions and feedback [16:01] Marilyn Undercroft: thank you all so much for your great feedback! [16:01] Ara Ember: lmao [16:01] Jingidy Dumpling: =D [16:01] Jei Desoto: See ya' : 3 [16:01] McCabe Maxsted looks forward to hearing more about this [16:01] Nine Moulliez: ^ ^ [16:01] Tomiko: Wow ery helpful! [16:01] Jacek Antonelli: Thanks for presenting, guys! Best luck with the project :) [16:01] Kippie Friedkin: Thank you for the great presentation. [16:02] Tomiko: That's even better than very! : D [16:02] Ara Ember: thank you everyone and err.. feedbacks.. [16:02] Ara Ember echos [16:02] Jacek Antonelli: hehe [16:02] Nine Moulliez: =] [16:02] Squirrel Wood: POKE!!!! [16:02] Marilyn Undercroft: :D [16:02] Gloria Caudron: thanks! [16:02] Tomiko: Sorry Ara to be sat on you [16:02] Ara Ember: no prob [16:02] Ara Ember: seriously.. they should let default action to make us be able to pet furry avatars [16:03] Jacek Antonelli: hee [16:03] McCabe Maxsted: haha [16:03] Squirrel Wood: ^^ [16:03] McCabe Maxsted could get behind that [16:03] Aimee Trescothick purrs [16:03] Benjamin Linden: thanks for coming everyone [16:03] Benjamin Linden: great crowd today! [16:03] Ara Ember: :D [16:03] McCabe Maxsted: must be cause all the UI stuff lately :D [16:04] Jacek Antonelli: yeah, I think everyone wanted to come say thanks for the skin switching xD [16:04] Aimee Trescothick: yup, lots of UI stuffing [16:04] Aimee Trescothick: and that too :D [16:04] Malbers Linden: thanks all. see you next week. [16:04] Benjamin Linden: you're quite welcome! [16:04] McCabe Maxsted cheers for that [16:04] Benjamin Linden: :-) [16:04] Jacek Antonelli: take care Malbers [16:04] McCabe Maxsted: :) [16:04] Squirrel Wood: Have a grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat weekend! [16:04] McCabe Maxsted: take care malbers [16:04] Ara Ember: thank you all! and thank you tomiko for the group :) [16:04] Kippie Friedkin: cya Malbers! [16:04] Tomiko: It's OKI Ara! [16:05] Benjamin Linden: McCabe, if you have time it would be great to get the skinning wiki pages update to reflect recent changes [16:05] Lars Donardson: let's all say a prayer to the asset gods before we leave *grins* [16:05] Tomiko: : D [16:05] McCabe Maxsted: will do ;) [16:05] Jacek Antonelli: lol [16:05] Garn Conover: that still works [16:05] Garn Conover: test #3 [16:05] Jingidy Dumpling: bye everyone =) [16:05] Joeseph Albanese: rofl I donated a few thousand items to them last week they should be good [16:05] Benjamin Linden: thanks again for the classic skin. you're in the list of resident contributors in "About Second Life" [16:05] Benjamin Linden: or will be in the production viewer [16:06] McCabe Maxsted: XD hehe [16:06] Benjamin Linden: ok everyone, I have to run. see you next week! [16:06] Jacek Antonelli: There he is! :D [16:06] Jacek Antonelli: ciao Ben! [16:06] Kippie Friedkin: Awesome. Congrats. McCabe! [16:06] Kippie Friedkin: Cya Ben [16:06] Benjamin Linden: thanks Ara and CMU team [16:06] Benjamin Linden: for presenting today [16:06] Benjamin Linden: great job [16:06] Squirrel Wood: Eeeep! [16:06] Benjamin Linden: let's talk about feedback tomorrow