User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2008-09-25

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:00]	Grant Linden:	hello hello
[15:00]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy sneaky-not-on-radar-lindenfolk ;)
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:00]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:00]	Grant Linden:	great Avie, Keisha!
[15:01]	Squirrel Wood:	It's one of Jakkal's avatars ^^
[15:01]	Grant Linden:	Hello Squirrel
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	the one who also does http://blacktapestries.keenspace.com/ and Kaerwyn
[15:02]	Tinker Toll:	Hello everyone
[15:02]	Grant Linden:	I decided to run with Squirrel's topic suggestion today
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	and who knows what else ^^
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	little ui improvements?
[15:02]	McCabe Maxsted:	ahoy malbers :)
[15:02]	Grant Linden:	yes!
[15:02]	McCabe Maxsted:	ah one of my favorite topics...
[15:02]	Malbers Linden:	Hola! (still rezzing)
[15:02]	Squirrel Wood:	Hallo ^^
[15:03]	Grant Linden:	"Feature requests for little changes that make a huge difference"
[15:03]	Grant Linden:	I was hoping Erica Linden would attend
[15:04]	Grant Linden:	she is great at little changes with a high return
[15:04]	Malbers Linden:	her brain is good in that space
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	I have one little change that I'd really love to see: A "last online" date for the friends list :) to aid in weeding out the dead players
[15:04]	Grant Linden:	nice!
[15:04]	Malbers Linden:	hey kippie
[15:04]	McCabe Maxsted likes Erica. Dig her jira comments
[15:04]	Malbers Linden:	yeah, nice idea
[15:04]	Grant Linden:	hello Kippie
[15:05]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Malbers, Grant....everybody :)
[15:05]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hey Kippie :)
[15:05]	Grant Linden:	we are discussing "Feature requests for little changes that make a huge difference"
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood:	because over time your friends list keeps growing bigger and bigger and it becomes hard to track such things
[15:05]	Kippie Friedkin:	Sweet
[15:05]	McCabe Maxsted waves at kippie
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood:	another thing: friend categories like, "friends", "business", ...
[15:06]	Grant Linden:	I have seen a product called SLON that has that feature
[15:06]	Grant Linden:	yes!
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood:	Aye
[15:06]	Grant Linden:	catagories for contacts
[15:06]	Kippie Friedkin:	Seems like a lot of small useful features could be added to contacts.
[15:06]	Grant Linden:	"people I ignore but don't want the drama of deleting"
[15:06]	McCabe Maxsted:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-890 btw for those who haven't voted for it
[15:06]	Kippie Friedkin:	I'd like to see an updateable status (ala Facebook) - nice to see what people are up to. Helps build community and makes you feel connected.
[15:07]	Grant Linden:	yes!
[15:07]	Grant Linden:	would you like to see that in the contacts list?
[15:07]	McCabe Maxsted:	heck yeah
[15:07]	Grant Linden:	or on a profile?
[15:07]	McCabe Maxsted:	contacts list
[15:07]	Kippie Friedkin:	Yes. I actually mocked that up last night.
[15:07]	Kippie Friedkin:	Looking for it...
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood:	search for people who have their status set to "dancing", "camping", "shopping" ?
[15:07]	McCabe Maxsted:	oooh
[15:07]	Kippie Friedkin:	I think it belongs in both the profile and contact list.
[15:08]	McCabe Maxsted:	is curious to see the mockup :)
[15:08]	Grant Linden:	some people have suggested a "I am listeing to x" or "I am at x event"
[15:08]	McCabe Maxsted:	I think it should be open ended
[15:08]	McCabe Maxsted:	makes for funner postings
[15:09]	Kippie Friedkin:	Agreed.
[15:09]	Charlette Proto:	a calendar eg interface to google calendar api would also be nice
[15:09]	Grant Linden:	are those scuba divers around your head, Charlette?
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	I'm in ur bank account, countin' ur moneys
[15:09]	Charlette Proto:	yes shall I get rid of them
[15:09]	Grant Linden:	no, they can stay
[15:09]	Grant Linden:	I was just asking
[15:09]	Charlette Proto:	thanks
[15:09]	Malbers Linden:	I love the little scuba divers
[15:10]	Grant Linden:	you would!
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:10]	Malbers Linden would love little jellyfish circling me
[15:10]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:10]	McCabe Maxsted:	mm, wish I could export events around
[15:10]	Grant Linden:	is that a "small improvement?"
[15:10]	Kippie Friedkin:	That would rock.
[15:10]	Grant Linden:	well, a real even invite system would be nice
[15:10]	Grant Linden:	event invite
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood:	that would classify as a not so small improvement though ^^
[15:11]	Grant Linden:	heh
[15:11]	Grant Linden:	that is why Erica is better
[15:11]	McCabe Maxsted:	just make a special tp button for "yo! get ova 'ere!"
[15:11]	Malbers Linden:	Grant and I think too big sometimes
[15:11]	Grant Linden:	but I am keeping track of big things too
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood:	heh
[15:12]	Grant Linden:	I want a place for capped IMs to go
[15:12]	McCabe Maxsted:	ah, but that'd make sense
[15:12]	Grant Linden nods
[15:12]	Keisha Ninetails:	frinds list only maybe, I already get enough random group invites for a random event invite to even start to look appealing
[15:12]	Squirrel Wood:	Mayhaps some sort of indicator "You have xy prims on this parcel" along with "delete them all" button somewhere?
[15:12]	Grant Linden:	to return your prims?
[15:12]	Squirrel Wood:	yes.
[15:13]	Grant Linden:	for builders?
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood:	Like, in a sandbox if they get "lost"
[15:13]	McCabe Maxsted:	I want a "select everyone else's prims but mine" option
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah! :D
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood:	invert selection ?
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	The opposite of "Select only my objects"
[15:13]	Charlette Proto:	yes that is goo
[15:13]	McCabe Maxsted:	yup, would be very handy for cleaning/returning
[15:13]	Charlette Proto:	or select by owner
[15:13]	Squirrel Wood:	=> estate tools
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, that would be handy
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood:	its already there
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood:	you can return all prims of a person on an estate
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	You can't use the estate tools if you're not an estate manager, though
[15:14]	Squirrel Wood:	ye
[15:14]	McCabe Maxsted:	I want top scripts on my parcel, speaking of which. I'm tired of not being able to track down laggy scripts
[15:15]	Grant Linden:	maybe it already exists, but after I ask the system to show me another person's objects I would like a list so I can locate one specific thing
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	Yes! "Show my script timings/performance rating"
[15:15]	McCabe Maxsted:	(http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-835 handy jira link for that one)
[15:15]	Charlette Proto:	rendering cost for linked objects
[15:15]	Grant Linden:	script performance has gotten really critical on Open sims
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	Aye
[15:15]	McCabe Maxsted:	oh yeah, definitely
[15:16]	Squirrel Wood:	opensims have horrible script performance
[15:16]	McCabe Maxsted:	and if you rent, well, you're clueless
[15:16]	Grant Linden:	(makes my backgammon board choke)
[15:16]	Squirrel Wood:	makes my terraformer run slow :p
[15:16]	McCabe Maxsted would still beat ya anyway ;D
[15:16]	Grant Linden:	ba!
[15:17]	Charlette Proto:	what about inworld text objects (I keep bringing it up)
[15:17]	McCabe Maxsted:	you mean like text on a prim?
[15:17]	Grant Linden:	what do you suggest, Charlette?
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	change prim properties in the edit window ?
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	Like, floating text, particles, ...
[15:17]	McCabe Maxsted:	instead of having 60linked scripted prims and xyyxxqqqrrtext
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	there is a jira on that somewhere
[15:17]	Charlette Proto:	text besides using textures
[15:17]	Charlette Proto:	so it could be read like real text objects
[15:18]	Squirrel Wood:	at the moment many prim properties can only be set through scripts
[15:18]	Grant Linden:	like "alt text" on web pages?
[15:18]	Charlette Proto:	no display objects
[15:18]	Charlette Proto:	to make posters and signs
[15:18]	Kippie Friedkin:	Ah...for things like bulletin boards...gotcha
[15:18]	McCabe Maxsted:	no
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	A prim type for rendering text?
[15:18]	Charlette Proto:	yep
[15:18]	McCabe Maxsted:	have you seen tag boards?
[15:19]	McCabe Maxsted:	click the board, leave a funny comment; amost every club has one
[15:19]	McCabe Maxsted:	they're hacked together out of tortured prims and linked scripts and textures
[15:19]	Charlette Proto:	3D text not facing the viewer
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 ^^
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	Someone made a comment a while back, along the lines of: SL is supposed to be a great collaborative platform, but the only way to do collaborative text in-world is with laggy scripted XYprims.
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted grins
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted:	yeah, it's annoying
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted:	prolly very frustrating for teachers
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	html on a prim ^^
[15:20]	McCabe Maxsted:	image waiting for your blackboard to load
[15:20]	Charlette Proto:	yes
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	it works.
[15:21]	Grant Linden:	all accurate observations
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	So, some sort of prim that would render itself as text on a plane would be great. Especially if it had LSL script hooks for updating the text
[15:21]	McCabe Maxsted:	mm... I'd like to ahve real html on a prim one of these days. This would be a good interrim until then as it'd have other uses
[15:21]	Charlette Proto:	whaere is the html stored
[15:21]	Malbers Linden:	what kinds of things would you use "html on a prim" for?
[15:21]	Charlette Proto:	why not inworld notecards
[15:21]	McCabe Maxsted:	a million and one things
[15:21]	Charlette Proto:	displays, signs, posters
[15:21]	McCabe Maxsted:	nobody uses it now because it's crippled
[15:22]	Charlette Proto:	shopfront signage
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood:	its tied to the media texture
[15:22]	Jacek Antonelli:	RSS feeds. Event lists. Display boards. Marquee signs... lots.
[15:22]	Kippie Friedkin:	Everything.
[15:22]	Charlette Proto:	not texture
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	signs, websites, sending links, event postings, god
[15:22]	Jacek Antonelli:	Name tags
[15:22]	McCabe Maxsted:	with svg on a prim you could do some fun stuff
[15:22]	Charlette Proto:	real readable text that can be searched
[15:22]	Malbers Linden:	but it sounds like mostly pure display of info -- no interaction assumptions?
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood:	interaction will likely be problematic if you have several people trying to click links :p
[15:23]	McCabe Maxsted:	(http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-217 btw)
[15:23]	Squirrel Wood:	url on a prim will have to be client side
[15:23]	Charlette Proto:	interaction could be an option but typing the text inworld is the first objective to me
[15:23]	Malbers Linden:	Thanks (jira spelunker) McCabe
[15:24]	McCabe Maxsted:	a lot of it would be display use, yeah; and with the touch functions I assume you're giong to support browsing soon
[15:24]	Charlette Proto:	absolutely
[15:24]	Malbers Linden:	So, Charlotte wants text creation in-world? Real-time collaboration?
[15:24]	Jacek Antonelli:	HTML on a prim is one thing. A text prim type is another, somewhat overlapping thing.
[15:24]	Charlette Proto:	yes it should be real time like a blackboard and scriptable etc
[15:25]	Malbers Linden:	Cahrlote -- so the "shared whiteboard" scenario
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood:	basically not like hovertext now but rather text rendered on one face of the prim, top left to bottom right ?
[15:25]	Malbers Linden butchered your name, sorry
[15:25]	McCabe Maxsted:	yup squirrel
[15:25]	Charlette Proto:	just like llSetText but in 3D with read
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	If it were a prim type with text attributes you could edit in the UI, you could set it "Share with group". And if it had a scripted interface, you could do all sorts of awesome stuff.
[15:26]	McCabe Maxsted:	does anyone have a copy of an xyzzy board to show?
[15:26]	Charlette Proto:	we are onto it now
[15:26]	Squirrel Wood:	llSetFaceText(integer Face,string Text, vector Color, integer Opacity) ?
[15:26]	McCabe Maxsted can never get those letters right, mind you
[15:26]	Charlette Proto:	yep
[15:26]	Grant Linden:	hello Pier
[15:27]	Pier Jaecies:	hey there
[15:27]	Pier Jaecies:	hey kippie
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood:	llRentALinden(string name) ? ^^
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	I think we've strayed from the "small stuff" discussion, but wow, text prims would be handy.
[15:27]	Grant Linden:	we are discussing "Feature requests for little changes that make a huge difference"
[15:27]	Kippie Friedkin:	Hi Pier :)
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	HUDs! HUDs would be revolutionized.
[15:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	oh yes!
[15:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	no more laggy waiting for hud text to update
[15:28]	Kippie Friedkin:	Oh, to dream.
[15:28]	Jacek Antonelli:	Indeed
[15:28]	Charlette Proto:	good to have all in mind so the small things can be implemented in the right direction
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood:	another "little" change..... "growing selections" as in, select a prim in edit mode, then SHIFT-Click it and the selection will expand to adjacent prims that you own ?
[15:28]	Grant Linden:	"grow selection"?
[15:28]	Malbers Linden:	to just hte objects touching the prim in question?
[15:29]	Grant Linden:	makes me think of the photoshop magic wand
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	mayhaps just objects touching or intersecting or objects in the same linkset
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	yes.
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	like the magic wand sort of
[15:29]	Charlette Proto:	also linking groups need to be hierarchical so that linked object can be linked at a higher level
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, hierarchical linking would be another thing that would completely revolutionize SL
[15:30]	Squirrel Wood:	there's the problem that a linkset can only have one root prim
[15:30]	Grant Linden:	sub groups
[15:30]	McCabe Maxsted:	oh man yes
[15:30]	Charlette Proto:	the current state of linked objects is incredibly limiting
[15:30]	Grant Linden:	hello Duanra
[15:30]	Kippie Friedkin:	Ugh...wish that were available now. - Would have saved me on a project I'm working on .
[15:30]	Grant Linden:	we are discussing we are discussing "Feature requests for little changes that make a huge difference"
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm. Ability to set priorities on animations in a per-joint way
[15:31]	Squirrel Wood:	how about the ability to change the information that is shown on top of the window?
[15:31]	Charlette Proto:	even a tagging system to select objects with a common tag like "chair1" logically
[15:31]	Jacek Antonelli:	Maybe not a huge huge difference, but it would make it a lot easier to do animations that work well with other ones
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood:	like, some may want "total prims on parcel / max prims parcel supports" and such information
[15:32]	McCabe Maxsted:	isn't the animatino priority system borked anyway?
[15:33]	Grant Linden:	A saved sort order?
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	yes!
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	Depends on your definition of "borked". I think it's working as intended, but that way is rather stupid.
[15:33]	Charlette Proto:	Inventory aliases to items (rather that copies or moving of non-copy objects)
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	filter templates forthe inventory ?
[15:33]	McCabe Maxsted:	:)
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	like, "gestures AND animations AND Sounds"
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	right now the filter system is a bit awkward to use
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	you know what's been in my head for a while? A gestures slider in teh sound controls
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	And making tabs with saved filters :O
[15:34]	Charlette Proto:	one could organise aliases while keeping the original folder order and not have multiple copies either
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood:	Mmm. Tabs!
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hah, yes! I would love to mute those stupid "HOoooo!"s
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	something to get rid of that annoying "hoo!" gesture
[15:34]	Malbers Linden:	so, better tagging of objects in the inverntory (and filtering on those tags)?
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	xD
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	haha
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	we rule
[15:34]	Grant Linden:	I confess I just discovered the filters after using SL for two years
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood:	Hi! ^-^
[15:34]	McCabe Maxsted:	they're very well hidden :)
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	haha! So I was right, they *are* obscure
[15:35]	McCabe Maxsted:	I once tried to teach someone how to use filters.... she was swearing at me over voice
[15:35]	Grant Linden:	heh
[15:35]	McCabe Maxsted:	ended up screaming adn walking away from the comp
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ouch
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood:	filters let you show all items since some point but not "all items UP to some point in time"
[15:35]	Pier Jaecies:	kippie and i had talked before about a function that SL used to have where you could click a point and your av would walk to that point. the functionality was removed, why was that? that would seem like a great little function to have?
[15:35]	Charlette Proto:	tagging of inventory items so that you can find no-modify (no rename) objects by type or some other way
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah. It needs a proper range
[15:36]	Squirrel Wood:	so you cannot filter all items older than x days
[15:36]	McCabe Maxsted:	autopilot?
[15:36]	Grant Linden:	I am not up on that feature, but I recall it
[15:36]	Charlette Proto:	preview of inventory items (eg like in edit appearance)
[15:36]	Malbers Linden:	me too - the autopilot walking thing
[15:36]	Kippie Friedkin:	Wasn't there a "Go To" feature on the pie menu when you right clicked at one point?
[15:36]	Charlette Proto:	preview on hover
[15:36]	Pier Jaecies:	preview sounds great, but thats sort of a big job isnt it?
[15:36]	McCabe Maxsted:	yeah, right clicked on land
[15:37]	Grant Linden:	would builders create the preview?
[15:37]	Charlette Proto:	no etit appearance does it
[15:37]	Charlette Proto:	edit
[15:37]	McCabe Maxsted:	the option was autopilot..... used to be in the advanced menu but doesn't seem to be there anymore?
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	There's "Go Here" when you right click land. There was auto pilot in the advanced menu somewhere...
[15:37]	Charlette Proto:	no live 3D rendering
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, I think it may be gone now :(
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	It didn't work very well
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	No wait, here it is
[15:37]	Kippie Friedkin:	yeah...I recall it being very troublesome
[15:38]	Pier Jaecies:	hmmm, seems like a cool little new user feature to make getting around easier
[15:38]	Kippie Friedkin:	ah yes..there it is..
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	Wheee!
[15:38]	Pier Jaecies:	lol
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	Handy!
[15:38]	Malbers Linden:	I know there was some discussion of hte autopilot's wanderng around a lot
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	Much easier to get into my little spot with this
[15:38]	Pier Jaecies:	:)
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	the autopilot likes to go overboard
[15:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	it coudln't navigate corners :)
[15:38]	Malbers Linden:	needed a lot of work on the math
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, especially if you're flying.
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	*thud*
[15:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	hehe
[15:39]	Charlette Proto:	point to point navigation (walk to point on the ground)
[15:39]	Jacek Antonelli:	And at high altitudes... god. You're liable to go flying into the next sim.
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood:	not just the next sim
[15:39]	Jacek Antonelli:	(The option is Advanced > UI > Double-Click Auto-Pilot, by the way. About halfway down the menu)
[15:40]	McCabe Maxsted:	what's it doing in ui instead of character?
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	probably getting out of the way ;)
[15:40]	Charlette Proto:	The radial (pie) menu should be more omprehensive (eg edit all attributes) like in Maya
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	I guess it didn't get along well with Tap-Tap-Hold to Run
[15:40]	Grant Linden:	would a graphic interface to scripting be helpful? "add a sit to this" wizard or some other use cases?
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	Yes!
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes
[15:40]	McCabe Maxsted:	then agian... I just discovered that your linden balance settings are in audio/video O.o
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	live sit target changing would be uber!
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	An interface to add sit targets and floating text would be amazing
[15:41]	McCabe Maxsted:	that'd be fantastic
[15:41]	McCabe Maxsted:	save so many headaches
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	Particles too, but that would be bigger
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 ^^
[15:41]	McCabe Maxsted:	even just the ability to drag your av around and set it
[15:41]	Grant Linden:	we have a library, we should be able to add scripts from it
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes!
[15:41]	McCabe Maxsted:	(which we can still do unless taht bug was fixed?)
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	saves you from having to use scripts where one should not need them in the first place ^^
[15:42]	Kippie Friedkin:	Cool idea!
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	You can move your avatar around, but it's only client-side
[15:42]	Charlette Proto:	Google Lively like moving (dragging) of avatar for noobs would be good too
[15:42]	McCabe Maxsted:	yeah. Still fun for snapshots though :D
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, a mouse-based way to move your avatar would be good.
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood:	since the avatar becomes a part of the linkset on "sit" it should be able to be moved around and thus update the sit target ?
[15:43]	Grant Linden:	nice
[15:43]	McCabe Maxsted:	bah, that's too intuitive
[15:43]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood:	mayhaps add a status that it can be locked
[15:43]	Charlette Proto:	yes drag by the head to another location eg sideways or up
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood:	llSetStatus(MOVE_SIT_LOCKED, TRUE)
[15:43]	Jacek Antonelli:	Even a numeric interface, where you could sit on it and play with the numbers until it looked right
[15:44]	Jacek Antonelli:	Have xyz position and xyz rotation, like with building
[15:44]	Grant Linden:	or tap arrow keys for micro adjusting
[15:44]	Charlette Proto:	how about plan and elevation view for building
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood:	whichever is the best way to do it ^^
[15:45]	Charlette Proto:	just like a CAD interface
[15:45]	Pier Jaecies:	micro adjusting....drool
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	And/or have abutton to change to "sit target tool", which would add move and rotate handles to avatars sitting on the prim
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	but as you said, even wizards would be nice ^^
[15:45]	Grant Linden:	ooh! a "go to plan view"
[15:45]	Charlette Proto:	yes
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, micro-adjustments for building would be great
[15:45]	Grant Linden:	snap to an overhead view?
[15:45]	Charlette Proto:	plan/elevation side by side like CAD
[15:45]	McCabe Maxsted:	so much easier than get up... recompile... get up... recompile... for hours
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	2.5d view ?
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	Camera views would be good
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	isometric
[15:46]	Grant Linden:	yes
[15:46]	Charlette Proto:	I use two PCs to build to make it more efficiant
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli:	Orthographic side and top views
[15:46]	Kippie Friedkin:	Me too.
[15:46]	Charlette Proto:	second to preview
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli:	And bottom
[15:46]	Charlette Proto:	hehe I'm not alone
[15:46]	Grant Linden:	that would save hours and hours
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	and would be a huge change ^^
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli:	Of course, snap and align tools would be handy -- but Imprudence will be taking care of that ;)
[15:47]	McCabe Maxsted grins
[15:47]	Grant Linden:	ooh, isn't this all being done by Imprudence?
[15:47]	Malbers Linden:	Jacek's already giving away her secret projects!
[15:47]	Charlette Proto:	good we ned better snap to guides and objects
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	It will be eventually, if you let me keep coming here and stealing your ideas xD
[15:47]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted is still hoping you guys see teh light on default permissions for item creation
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood:	another little change....
[15:48]	Grant Linden:	I do like that suggestion
[15:48]	McCabe Maxsted:	little change, so handy
[15:48]	Squirrel Wood:	I have changed the default texture in the debug options... yet when I create prims they are plywood
[15:48]	Charlette Proto:	another thing is searching in chat history
[15:49]	Malbers Linden:	McCaabe - i do think i've seen some action on that JIRA internally recently
[15:49]	Grant Linden:	"search and replace" in chat history :)
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ah, yes, searching chat history is a suggestion I got. Also searching IM logs, to find out what you said that night when you were drunk and talked to this person
[15:49]	Malbers Linden:	oh course, not sure it that would be work on it or just killing it -- but something is happening
[15:49]	McCabe Maxsted nods. From the comments I've read, seems to be going back and forth :)
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	I hope at least they add the server-side changes necessary for us to implement it ourselves
[15:50]	Malbers Linden:	SLing under the influence?
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	The default permissions, I mean
[15:50]	Kippie Friedkin:	We need some PSAs on the dangers of that
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	Don't Drink and SLive!
[15:50]	Kippie Friedkin:	"Has this ever happened to you?...."
[15:50]	Pier Jaecies:	lol
[15:50]	McCabe Maxsted:	haha
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood:	Ooo! Allow avatars to be abused as trees by squirrels! ^^
[15:50]	Malbers Linden:	friends don't let friends drink and SL
[15:51]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli:	"This is Mary. Her son was killed 3 years ago by a drunk voice chatter."
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli kills the humor. With an axe. >>_
[15:51]	Jacek Antonelli:	>_>
[15:51]	Grant Linden:	before we wrap this edition of office hours up, I would like to take suggestions for future office hours
[15:52]	McCabe Maxsted:	more good ideas for imprudence?
[15:52]	Malbers Linden:	wow, already almost at the hour....
[15:52]	Kippie Friedkin:	ha
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood:	time sure flies ^^
[15:52]	Grant Linden:	and thanks to Squirrel for this weeks topic
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:52]	Jacek Antonelli:	\o/
[15:52]	Charlette Proto:	The radial (pie) menu should be more omprehensive (eg edit all attributes) like in Maya. Aliases and tagging of inventory items so that you can find no-modify (no rename) objects by type or some other way.
[15:52]	McCabe Maxsted:	I know! *lvoes these little ui topics*
[15:52]	Squirrel Wood:	I hope we were able to give you at least one or two good ideas today ^^
[15:53]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:53]	Grant Linden:	this was great
[15:53]	Malbers Linden:	they are always good ideas (always about prioritizing)
[15:53]	Kippie Friedkin:	Agreed, absolutely.
[15:53]	McCabe Maxsted:	btw, if anyone wants a copy of the laggy text on a prim boards we ahve now, I have one I made so you can see what we use
[15:53]	Grant Linden:	I can think of a meeting topic : "Waht wold you take out of the second life UI?"
[15:53]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ooh, good one Grant
[15:53]	Grant Linden:	I can't type
[15:54]	Kippie Friedkin:	Nice
[15:54]	Malbers Linden:	oooo. good.
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood:	definitely a good one
[15:54]	McCabe Maxsted already knows the answer to that one :D
[15:54]	Grant Linden:	shall we roll with that?
[15:54]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, let's
[15:54]	Squirrel Wood:	another one... parental controls?
[15:54]	Grant Linden:	get your axes ready
[15:54]	Malbers Linden:	you all have a week to think of thing features you never use (and/or newer residents should never see).
[15:54]	Charlette Proto:	I'd like the text on a prim boards stuff, please
[15:54]	McCabe Maxsted:	I'll save it for next week (spoiler alert: it may involve red things)
[15:54]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:54]	Kippie Friedkin:	lol
[15:55]	Jacek Antonelli:	Does it sound like "pecans", McCabe?
[15:55]	Grant Linden:	thank you for your text on prim thoughts, Charlette
[15:55]	McCabe Maxsted:	XD
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood:	make the ui more squorrel friendly! Add nut caches!
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood:	squirrel.. even...
[15:55]	Jacek Antonelli:	hahaha
[15:55]	Charlette Proto:	thanks McCabe
[15:55]	Grant Linden:	spell check just for the work "squirrel"
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yes, look at all this empty space on the screen that's not filled with UI. That could be used to store food for the winter!
[15:56]	McCabe Maxsted:	hahahhaa
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood:	spell check... may be a nice feature... at least an "auto-complete" or "auto-replace"
[15:56]	Grant Linden:	I really need that
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood:	like on mobile phones
[15:56]	McCabe Maxsted:	"what's with all this 3D world stuff? We need mroe communciate buttons"
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe
[15:56]	Charlette Proto:	predictive chat entry based on spelling dictionarry like cell phones
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh, that reminds me of that funny youtube video
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	"Talk to this prim" "talk to that other prim" "talk to the prim on the other side of that other prim" buttons... ?
[15:57]	Charlette Proto:	give us the URL Jacek
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	t9 dictionary
[15:58]	Charlette Proto:	get rid of parrots that double up gesture spam in chat
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	Use your number pad to type in SL!
[15:58]	Charlette Proto:	yes Squirel
[15:58]	Beware Hax:	i dislike how gestures are made to work on a word commonly say in chat, to replace it with all caps and a sound
[15:58]	Beware Hax:	especially if theyre no-mod as such
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	I like the linden lab trademark ones
[15:59]	Charlette Proto:	hehe
[15:59]	Grant Linden:	thanks to everyone for coming
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcoT6yxFoU
[15:59]	Grant Linden:	great ideas!
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood:	thanks for having us ^^
[15:59]	Charlette Proto:	thanks Jacek
[15:59]	Squirrel Wood:	o.o!
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	Second Life®
[15:59]	Pier Jaecies:	thanks grant
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	<--- the funny predictive text messaging stuff
[15:59]	Grant Linden:	I am off to my next adventure
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	was good fun :)
[15:59]	Pier Jaecies:	have fun!
[15:59]	McCabe Maxsted:	yarrrr!
[16:00]	Grant Linden:	see everyone next week :)