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= Transcript =
= Transcript =
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for March 03rd, 2011:
Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for March 03rd, 2011:
* [14:59] [[User:Fancy Greeter|Fancy Greeter]]:  Oskar Linden has arrived!
* [14:59] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Hail Grimlord! :-p
* [14:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  alien
* [15:00] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  tsunami
* [15:00] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  *gurgle*
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  good day to you all
* [15:01] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Hello Oskar.
* [15:01] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  hi
* [15:01] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  afternoon oskar
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  poor gooden keeps crashing
* [15:01] [[User:Fancy Greeter|Fancy Greeter]]:  Maestro Linden has arrived!
* [15:01] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  whichever bug or viewer that's crashing SG 1.5 is really annoying
* [15:01] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Maestro, music!
* [15:02] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  afternoon oskar and everyone
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  how's your week been?
* [15:02] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  think the wave got stuck
* [15:02] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah
* [15:03] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  mmm nevermind
* [15:03] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]:  Hi Oskar, Maestro, Log and Beta testers
* [15:03] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hi guys
* [15:03] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  heya there :)
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  here is the link to the agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
* [15:03] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  hi Maestro :)
* [15:03] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  hi Oskar!! :))
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we had a fairly quiet morning until yesterday
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the release of the mono2-aware branch seems to have gone off without a hitch
* [15:04] [[User:Fancy Greeter|Fancy Greeter]]:  Monty Linden has arrived!
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  nice round of applause for Kelly Linden/clap
* [15:04] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  I must not have tried hard enough.
* [15:04] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  yay kelly
* [15:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  could someone delte that wave?
* [15:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  lol tehKellz'
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  what wave?
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ;-)
* [15:04] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  the one stuck on the parcel edge
* [15:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  tsunami wave that got stuck
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  what's next for mono2 kelly?
* [15:05] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  to you right
* [15:05] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Happy falling, Rex!
* [15:05] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  I went to delete it but it disappeared as soon as I clicked it.
* [15:05] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  hi redmokum. hi everybody
* [15:05] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  -tehKellz' ah, that's ghosting prims
* [15:05] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  mono2 performance will get deployed to aditi soon - need to see where the mesh stuff is on pulling in the mono2 aware changes
* [15:05] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  right-click and it poofs
* [15:05] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Temp stuff that somehow still stays untill someone does "edit"?
* [15:05] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  -tehKellz', now that prim is "ghosted"
* [15:06] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  neat
* [15:06] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  happens a lot
* [15:06] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  in the past couple of weeks or so
* [15:06] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  Not seen ghost prims in BlueSteel lately.
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the BlueSteel Content Management branch was going to get promoted this week
* [15:06] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  But?
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but I filed a easily reproducible crasher
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a new crasher
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  couldn't really justify promoting it after that
* [15:07] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  ty ty oskar
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  using our FIFO process Kelly's branch got the nod
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  overall the bluesteel crash rate is low
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so it is an obscure case
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  even still
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  magnum and bluesteel just got merges from trunk and redeployed
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the only new code was on LeTigre
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and that went really bad
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we had to pull it like 2 hours later
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there was a very cute LSL error that let scripts in listen range interact with each other without checking owner
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or checking owner incorrectly
* [15:09] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  yeah, LeTigre had a bug in which llListen() was ignoring uuid filters
* [15:09] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  ut oh
* [15:10] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  How come you noticed that so fast?
* [15:10] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  anyway, it's fixed on Aditi now
* [15:10] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  could they also hear themselves talking?
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it broke some combat systems
* [15:10] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  nope, but it was as though the script was using NULL_KEY as the id filter
* [15:10] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i'm guessing someone lost a buncha lindens and complained
* [15:10] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  a scripted hud would respond to anyone else putting in the commands to interact with it
* [15:10] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  So Kelly did try hard enough there? :P
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I like that though
* [15:10] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  ie, 2 peopelle woththe same hud, onne would interact and both would listen
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  things break, people notice, people tell me, we fix it
* [15:11] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  I found and fixed it but didn't introduce it. this time.
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-D
* [15:11] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  ;)
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  nice work kelly
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that made yesterday pretty exciting
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  those fixes should show up in letigre next week
* [15:12] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  you can try it out on Aditi now, too
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hopefully the CM fixes will go into bluesteel if they can figure out why it's crashing
* [15:12] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  in the "DRTSIM-39" channel
* [15:12] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Now that the new community platform is out are we gonna get "Deploys for the week of..." blogs again (I like those :O)
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes FLIP. I'm getting there
* [15:13] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Yayy
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Magnum is next up on the board for promotion next week
* [15:13] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  looking at the list of sims.. Skybeam is running DRTSIM-39 and I think that region is publically accessible on aditi
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks maestro
* [15:13] [[User:Charlene Trudeau|Charlene Trudeau]]:  :)
* [15:13] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  when is the mono2 update coming? :)
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  still a little while off
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  aw :(
* [15:14] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  we want to put mono2-performance on aditi for a bit
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  who do we bribe/blackmail? :)
* [15:14] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  The sim we're in now is running on "ER-393". Do we get to know what that is? Is it Emergency Room?
* [15:14] [[User:Charlene Trudeau|Charlene Trudeau]]:  hehehe
* [15:14] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  but first we want to ensure that all the other sim channels have the mono2-aware code
* [15:14] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  er = engine room
* [15:14] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Maestro is doig it?
* [15:15] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  so that we don't have a bunch of false alarms with serialization errors, when a script moves from mono2-performance to an old region
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there is a plan and method to this madness
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  even if it does not appear so
* [15:15] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  I think you may need to bribe falcon to do a fresh deploy of Mesh that includes the mono2-aware code :)
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yeah what is with that?
* [15:15] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  so, what will be mono2 able to do?
* [15:15] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  falcon, bah
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the last mesh server update is from months ago
* [15:16] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  he will do exact oposite
* [15:16] [[User:Fancy Greeter|Fancy Greeter]]:  Maestro Tester has arrived!
* [15:16] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Perhaps if I tell him, Falcon, please don't merge mono changes in ;)
* [15:16] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Rex: it'll be pretty much the same, except with some performance optimizations
* [15:16] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  ok. thanks
* [15:16] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  so the 'mono sim freeze' effect should be reduced
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll tell him latif
* [15:17] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  yeah the mono2 changes are primarily to address SVC-3895
* [15:17] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895]]:
* [#SVC-3895] [[User:Rezzing Mono|Rezzing Mono]]:  scripted object cripples sim FPS
* [15:17] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  oskar, the sim freeze plague could not get killed soon enough
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i hope all obstacles to mono2 upgrade get removed :)
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we are right on the edge
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  won't be too much longer
* [15:18] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  \o/
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  then you can find new bugs to tell us to fix for 2 years
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-D
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  heh
* [15:18] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  kelly will attain rockstar status when the sim freezes are gone
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  like xmpp people going underground?
* [15:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  lol
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SVC-16000 "Mono2 is too fast, please make it freeze"
* [15:19] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  dream on
* [15:19] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  :P
* [15:19] [[User:RedMokum Bravin|RedMokum Bravin]]:  wahaha
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I never know
* [15:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  what happeend with Gez and his crew
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  gez and his crew?
* [15:19] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  The XMPP portal has been offline for quite some time
* [15:20] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  GDC!
* [15:20] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  gez, stone, inoshiro linden
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh I'll get to that
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  actually that is almost next
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I was just going to point out the the new forums/blogs are live
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I will start using those again soon
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  my whiteboard was fun and all....
* [15:20] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  and short-lived...
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we'll see how well this new Lithium thing works
* [15:21] [[User:Kadah CobaKadah|Kadah CobaKadah]]:  Coba doesn't like Lithium
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and on the topic of XMPP
* [15:21] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  I'm liking it more than I liked the previous system.
* [15:21] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah, it's bettern than jive
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're close to getting a project vwr out for xmpp
* [15:21] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  code tag suck though
* [15:21] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  i heard u can reach master lvl on the new forums? if and whenu reach that, what can u do with it?
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but there is an infrastructure issue holding us back
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the team was using aditi as a development environment
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and it needs to be a beta environment
* [15:22] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  *Only* half of the new Lithium system doesn't work for me, so I guess that is an improvement :3
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so that means we need an xmpp dev environment
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and we don't have one handy
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  parse error
* [15:22] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  You mean they need their own grid?
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we can't really run a sustained beta test if that is also the only place for devs to work
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  more or less Jonathan
* [15:23] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  lol
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're working on it
* [15:23] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i thought they were happy with all the feedback and collaborative development
* [15:23] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  that was going on here
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yeah but it's not easy to run a live open beta in a dev environment
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  one that could break at any notice
* [15:24] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  you could always try running this meeting in group chat with the project viewer
* [15:24] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  it wouldn't be fun to test in
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  like if agni was aditi
* [15:24] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  i would imagine more bugs would be found that way though
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i don't understand
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you need a stable test environment
* [15:24] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  what's concurrency like on aditi, 50?
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  or you can't get good bugs
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  aditi can handle more than that
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  vivox on aditi can't
* [15:25] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  latif, Aditi moves too much for them, they need it to hold still so they can work. it's not about going private grid
* [15:25] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  you still have to have a project viewer and to login to aditi
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:25] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Ima, xmpp project involves no sim code changes
* [15:25] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  vivox = string and 2 tin cans
* [15:25] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it uses its own servers
* [15:25] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  only 1 extra field in the login
* [15:25] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Even if XMPP only works 50% of the time, thats still a 2000% improvement over the legacy system :P
* [15:26] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  the rest of aditi sims is not touched
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:26] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  so how many people will there be affected
* [15:26] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  10 beta testers?
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it will be transparent to existing aditi users
* [15:26] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  latif, maybe not, but if the grid shutsdown when you've planned a test session you're screwed
* [15:26] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  seems like an awful waste of resources
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it seems like a very adequate setup to me
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  dev environment and beta environment separate
* [15:27] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  oh well
* [15:27] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  It sounds like xmpp will be back here very soon though
* [15:27] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  devs do their own dev grid deploys at will.... very quick flip.
* [15:27] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  you like to delay it even more, and recieve less beta testing
* [15:27] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  go right ahead
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-)
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  if that's how you choose to perceive it
* [15:28] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  I see the wiki already has a download page for an xmpp viewer
* [15:28] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  the links point to nothing yet though
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yeah that's how i see it. extra spending for the sake of red tape
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I am happy that they are taking the extra time to create a usable beta environment
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  reducing the quality of the end product
* [15:28] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  question is, will we also be able to access the xmpp beta grid to help test?
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the end quality is not being reduced
* [15:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yes it is
* [15:28] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  ooh a starax wand
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  spped to deploy != quality
* [15:29] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  iterative development == better quality
* [15:29] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  big releases == fail'
* [15:29] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Everyone stop the madness! :O
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  iterative development on a development grid and regular deploys to a beta environment is a very sound strategy
* [15:29] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  they were getting good feedback from us -- I hope they are back soon
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  breaking the beta environment every time you want to push out a test fix will slow testing more
* [15:30] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  yes Jonatham, that's the sad part. Red tape
* [15:30] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  I'm on the same scrum team as the xmpp folks, they'll be back soon.
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's not red tape
* [15:30] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  kill good dev velocity for the sake of turf ;)
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  creating a usable dev and beta environment is good design
* [15:31] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  so, when the project viewer comes out, where will we be testing it?
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  here on ADITI
* [15:31] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  oskar, how did we get into this discussion?
* [15:31] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  It seems reasonable to me. I don't push every build I do up to aditi. I do several builds a day and it just doesn't make sense - it is much faster for me to work in private and verify my work then push out to QA and beta regularly when "ready"
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  you pulled us into it
* [15:31] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  you saying there is a delay because of need to setup separate dev environment
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  but we can move on now
* [15:32] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  so how can you claim red tape isn't slowing down the fix to group chat?
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I appreciate your input and will pass them on to the team latif
* [15:32] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  because it is
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  maestro, what new stuff do you have coming up?
* [15:33] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Whats going on with "Hide URL"? Seems the release channel is always returning false, but some of the RCs are returning the set value.
* [15:33] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hmm let's see.. there are some changes to make IM/L$/inventory transfer rules saner for avatars who are locked to private estates
* [15:33] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  so the xmpp viewer is to taste group chat? and only here on beta?
* [15:33] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  hide url is being disabled, no more hiding
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  gez sends his love latif :-)
* [15:34] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  (some schools who have private islands/estates have their students locked to the estate to protect them from mainland hordes - these changes should just affect people who interact with such users)
* [15:34] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  I just wondering what channels that change is on, not seeing it on all atm.
* [15:34] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  tell him people rejoice for the further delays to group chat fix ;)
* [15:34] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  there's also a nice performance improvement that went into this week's LeTigre
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  there "was"
* [15:35] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Simon improved the performance of the server message builder
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  a nice performance improvement
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  :-D
* [15:35] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  it's still around, just not on letigre :)
* [15:35] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  next week
* [15:35] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  anyway, it packs messages better.
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  cool
* [15:36] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  the biggest improvement I saw was when I had an LSL script trigger a bunch of terse updates to an object (like move child prims around)
* [15:36] [[User:Gooden UgglaGooden|Gooden UgglaGooden]]:  Uggla bows his head in silent rememberance of svc-5959 (again)
* [15:36] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5959|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5959]]:
* [#SVC-5959] [[User:Groups notices|Groups notices]]:  sent to email do not identify sender
* [15:36] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  qualitatively, child prims appear to move ~2x faster
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  the full notes were here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11#11.03.01.222356
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  before the rollback
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it had fixes for
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SVC-1144
* [15:37] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1144|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1144]]:
* [#SVC-1144] [[User:replies to|replies to]]:  offline emails can't contain unicode
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SVC-5959
* [15:37] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  so it should be a noticeable improvement for anybody who uses llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast in a loop
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SVC-671
* [15:37] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-671|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-671]]:
* [#SVC-671] [[User:Unable to|Unable to]]:  teleport to any region without being logged out., - on every teleport, every day for 2 months now.
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  SVC-6709
* [15:37] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6709|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6709]]:
* [#SVC-6709] [[User:Delete objects|Delete objects]]:  on owned land stopped working since recent server-updates.
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and SVC-412
* [15:37] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-412|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-412]]:
* [#SVC-412] [[User:Include "Content-Type|Include "Content-Type]]:  text/plain; charset=UTF-8" header in the messages forwarded from second life.
* [15:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Mastro, say a resizer?
* [15:37] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  also, group notices identify the sender
* [15:37] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  and these fixes got m oved where?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  to next week
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  because of the LSL bug
* [15:38] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  crap... wanted to read about the perf improvements
* [15:38] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hm, I think that would be a full object update, latif. there may be a performance improvement there too, but I'm not certain
* [15:38] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  So next week's LeTigre will have this 2x prim param stuff?
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:38] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Happy face
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:38] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  whats this?
* [15:38] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  oh yeah, prim scale change triggers full object update, forgot that
* [15:39] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  yes Flip, I think it will return to LeTigre next week, with the llListen bugfix
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and people say we don't lllisten()
* [15:40] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  do u filter:)
* [15:40] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  The gist is really that Simon drastically improved the efficiency of building some of our most frequently built messages. Terse updates (object positions) are a good example because it isn't doing very much besides building and sending the message, which is why you see the imrpovement maestro observed.
* [15:40] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  ahh ok
* [15:41] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  When are accounts being synced to aditi? I was apparently synced this morning for the first time in a very long time and I haven't done anything in a couple weeks that should have caused that.
* [15:41] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  for most messages the time spent building the message isn't as significant a portion of the work.
* [15:41] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  it surpises me that building pakets would be a performane bottleneck
* [15:41] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  Latif: I think it kind of surprised Simon too when he really discovered it.
* [15:42] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  nice to see perfrmance improvements
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  Kadak, you changed your password
* [15:42] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Yeah, like 2 and half weeks ago
* [15:42] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Was just odd it got synced this morning :P
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hmm
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ambroff managed those scripts
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I'll have to look into it
* [15:43] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  I though that the password resync was done nightly though
* [15:44] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  maybe it was failing to run for a while...
* [15:44] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  make a jira and vote for it :P
* [15:44] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I think all scripts ambroff set up stopped for 2 weeks to protest his leaving
* [15:44] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  How stressful on the servers or whatever is it to do that? In other words, will I get yelled at if I change my password every week?
* [15:44] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  while supplies last!
* [15:44] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  Maybe, I havent gotten a resync in over 6 months till now
* [15:44] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  i'd bet it stopped with the web stuff going on
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it's not a stress FLIP
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  and not tied to web stuff
* [15:45] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  does creating a new avtar count as changing your password for that avatar?
* [15:45] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  yes
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  new accounts or accounts with changed passwords is the logic
* [15:46] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  excellent
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  so Log, how are your things going?
* [15:46] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]:  Monty and I are working on QA
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  oh no
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  please stop :-D
* [15:46] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:46] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we're fine as we are
* [15:47] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  lol
* [15:47] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  clone us a QA guy
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar LindenOskar|Oskar LindenOskar]]:  Linden is always the last to get these memos
* [15:47] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day Gooden
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  remember what happened when we tried to clone Maestro?
* [15:47] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  No, but I think you'll tell us
* [15:47] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  wow that is a really small av kadah
* [15:48] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  we got evil Maestro with a slightly different mustache
* [15:48] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  x3
* [15:48] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day TankMaster
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  monty, anything to report?
* [15:49] [[User:Ninja Flyer|Ninja Flyer]]:  All Go
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  monty said he is smelling peanuts
* [15:49] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  not much, I wanted to get you a nice picture
* [15:49] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]:  next week maybe
* [15:49] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Whats with all the odd breakfast items
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  cool. we need some new graphs
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  someone toasted the region
* [15:50] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  any words on disabeling the ability to hide streming media URLs serve side?
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well, any hot topics people are dying to get into in our last ten minutes?
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I don't know about that Tank
* [15:51] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  that jira is misleading lol
* [15:52] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  any progress with estate bans or DN ban evasion?
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  there is a long time precident about not showing stuff in the viewer
* [15:52] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  I don't know of any Gooden
* [15:52] [[User:Kadah Coba|Kadah Coba]]:  I've already found that the release channel server is always returning false for "Hide URL"
* [15:52] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  Oz already stated the hide checkboxes are being removed in 2.6
* [15:52] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Hiding those urls was done so live music performers would not lose out on tips from people getting the url and leaving to play the stream in a 3rd party program
* [15:53] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Oh yeah I remember my question. Whats ER-393 (this sim's channel) / what does it have in it
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  viewer hides all sorts of things, you cannot selet some object and see it's scale for example, the dimensions. that is also misleading according to the stadard in that jira
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  or see all texture UUIDs
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  or...
* [15:54] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:55] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day TankMaster
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  well that's all I have for this week
* [15:55] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  lol Tank :)
* [15:55] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  ok thx for the info and have a good weekend
* [15:55] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  well done
* [15:55] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  good meeting, thanks
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  we've got 5 minutes left
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  anyone working on anything fun?
* [15:55] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  ER-393, anything super fancy in it?
* [15:55] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  so eddi decosta is your coffee maker borked:)
* [15:56] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Ah Flip, ER-393 is the internal Jira issue for the "limited to estate" avatar IM/L$/object transfer rules
* [15:56] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Aha, clever
* [15:56] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  it sseems to be launching coffee wonderfully
* [15:56] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:56] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  so I doubt anybody here is interested in that
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  it makes it easier for us to test stuff if we make the channel name the name of the internal jira
* [15:56] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day Homeless
* [15:56] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:56] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  i have a little question. how do u guys feel about "disruptive tech"?
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  depends
* [15:56] [[User:Flip Idlemind|Flip Idlemind]]:  Eh, I'm always interested in being completely up to date on server releases (kinda why I come here)
* [15:57] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day Homeless
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks Flip!
* [15:57] [[User:Kelly Linden|Kelly Linden]]:  I feel disrupted.
* [15:57] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Request accepted, Please wait..
* [15:57] [[User:Monty LindenMonty|Monty LindenMonty]]:  Linden bemoans the end of telegrams
* [15:57] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  like replicator tech:)
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  telegrams were the devils work
* [15:57] [[User:Coffee Maker|Coffee Maker]]:  Thanks you, Have a nice day Homeless
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  tank
* [15:58] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  SL was disruptive tech...
* [15:58] [[User:Log Linden|Log Linden]]:  ok, see ya everyone
* [15:58] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  yes?
* [15:58] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  ok tc log
* [15:58] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  cya, sorry for this coffe maker :)
* [15:58] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  oskar how did you manage to get one of those?
* [15:58] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  you can blame me :p
* [15:58] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  bye Log
* [15:58] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]:  did you buy it when it was still for sale, or give yourself one?
* [15:58] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  what if it were to beocme wiledly available:)
* [15:58] [[User:mathayus Core|mathayus Core]]:  ISTO AQUI PARECE UM LIXAO
* [15:58] [[User:mathayus Core|mathayus Core]]:  HERE IT SEEMS a dump
* [15:59] [[User:Bronson Blackadder|Bronson Blackadder]]:  yikes
* [15:59] [[User:TankMaster Finesmith|TankMaster Finesmith]]:  lol i want one :P
* [15:59] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  hmm, Draconis, i can sale on market if i want ..
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  ok guys
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  thanks for coming
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  have a good rest of your week!
* [15:59] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]:  i have network prlbems
* [15:59] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  hmm, a lot of primghosting... someone scewed up with object deletion recently
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  buffalo
* [15:59] [[User:Eddi Decosta|Eddi Decosta]]:  see you later Oskar
* [15:59] [[User:Entering god|Entering god]]:  mode, level 200
* [15:59] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  buffalo
* [16:00] [[User:mathayus Core|mathayus Core]]:  draw
* [16:00] [[User:mathayus Core|mathayus Core]]:  DRAW
* [16:00] [[User:ZeroX Yoshikawa|ZeroX Yoshikawa]]:  where's your god now?
* [16:00] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Latif: I'd be interested to hear if our recent changes to prim derezzing (now in 1 of the RC channels, lemme check which one..) is any better or worse in terms of 'ghosting' rates
* [16:01] [[User:Oskars Drag|Oskars Drag]]:  Kart 1.2: 2.162964
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  sword
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  Second Life RC Magnum 11.03.01.222364 has the changes for derezzing
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  sword
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  hell
* [16:01] [[User:ZeroX Yoshikawa|ZeroX Yoshikawa]]:  O.o
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  uh, bye guys
* [16:01] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  thanks for coming
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  what a way to end the meeting
* [16:01] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Maestro, it seems a lot worse. Symtoms you delete object but it fails to derez. It vanishes when you right click on it, but remains ghosted (you can still collide with it)
* [16:01] [[User:Gooden Uggla|Gooden Uggla]]:  hell in a bottle? awesdome!
* [16:02] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  well, the server we're on now doesn't include changes from that branch
* [16:02] [[User:mathayus Core|mathayus Core]]:  1C
* [16:02] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  hm
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  santa
* [16:02] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]:  bye Maestro
* [16:02] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]:  interesting
* [16:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]:  crash

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This meeting was held on March 03rd, 2011

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