Bug triage/2007-09-19/Transcript

Agenda

Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:

[15:02]	Bridie Linden:	we'll wait a few more mins to start...
[15:02]	Bridie Linden:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:03]	Torley Linden:	Arrrr g'day to ye all!
[15:03]	Daedalus Young:	YoHoHo Torley
[15:03]	Torley Linden:	Hey Bridie, Daed, Ryozu, Aric, Alexa, Barry... *the rezzing continues*
[15:03]	Daedalus Young:	and a bottle of watermelon juice
[15:03]	Barry Reiter:	ello
[15:04]	Torley Linden:	Indeedlyso!
[15:04]	Alexa Linden:	Arghh!! Shiver me timbers! It's me mate torley!
[15:04]	Daedalus Young:	I hope things are all ok for you now?
[15:04]	Bridie Linden:	Ahoy Torley!
[15:04]	Alexa Linden:	Hi Bracken! Please join us!
[15:04]	Torley Linden:	AHOY!
[15:04]	Ryozu Kojima:	G'mornin Torley, checked out the new OmniPhaze yet? =)
[15:04]	Torley Linden:	Come aboard our ship. :)
[15:04]	Torley Linden:	Haha not yet Ryozu, what's it got?
[15:04]	Bridie Linden waves @ Wyn
[15:04]	Bracken Hotaling:	hello ;o)
[15:04]	Ryozu Kojima:	Alllll kinds of stuff
[15:04]	Torley Linden:	Daed: When were things not OK? I think I'm missing something here!
[15:05]	Bridie Linden:	Hiya Bracken, welcome
[15:05]	Bracken Hotaling:	hi ;o)
[15:05]	Daedalus Young:	oh, you had an emergency, you said at previous triage
[15:05]	Bridie Linden:	Oh?
[15:05]	Torley Linden:	OHHH! Yes that was fine, nothing serious, just had to be attended to quickly.
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh I love Torley's new look.
[15:05]	Daedalus Young:	ahh good
[15:05]	Alexa Linden:	me too
[15:05]	Bridie Linden:	Very sharp Torley!
[15:05]	Daedalus Young:	hi Rob
[15:05]	Rob Linden:	hi folks
[15:05]	Alexa Linden:	very sauve
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	Not watermelony enough.
[15:05]	Torley Linden:	Thanks Wyn, I am a cross between Harrison Ford from Blade Runner and Indiana Jones. Kinda.
[15:05]	Alexa Linden:	for a pirate
[15:05]	Bridie Linden:	Not very pirate-like, but you get a pass...
[15:05]	Torley Linden:	Watermelon is subtle here...
[15:05]	Alexa Linden:	hahaha
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh it's pirate day!
[15:05]	Torley Linden:	I'm getting closer to those past eras.
[15:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	I see the tie.
[15:06]	Alexa Linden:	aye matey!
[15:06]	Aric Linden:	back
[15:06]	Bridie Linden:	Ok, shall I start w/the preamble...?
[15:06]	Bridie Linden grins
[15:06]	Alexa Linden:	yup
[15:06]	Alexa Linden:	rofl
[15:06]	Aric Linden:	applauds bridie lindens shirt
[15:06]	Bridie Linden:	Welcome to my weekly triage -- formerly the Viewer Crashes triage, now the Release Candidate triage. Of course, we can still go over crashes or any other important issues, but I'd ask that you add them to the agenda before we meet.
[15:06]	Aric Linden wishes she'd made him one
[15:06]	Aric Linden is now sad
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	I've updated the agenda for this afternoon: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	For torday...
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	I've updated the agenda for this afternoon: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	ooops
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	today, even (sorry for dupe paste)
[15:07]	Torley Linden:	"Torday"? Haha. *checks out the link*
[15:07]	Bridie Linden:	So, what I'd like to do today is go over the issues listed in "New in RC 1.18.3?, NOT Imported" AND "Not new in RC 1.18.3, NOT Imported".
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	Torley, will you update PJIRA for us? and wiki?
[15:08]	Torley Linden:	I most certainly will, aye aye Cpt. Bridie!
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	Aye!
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	First up...
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	# VWR-2518 - Votes: 0 - Performance degrades quickly in release candidate viewers - Synack Fitzgerald
[15:08]	Bridie Linden:	(u should be able to click on rotating SL logo for web page now)
[15:08]	Saijanai Kuhn:	utf-8 hide
[15:09]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm I'm unfamiliar with this one, I haven't seen it yet. I wonder if logs would help.
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	Hmmm
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	typo on my part?
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	yes
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	sorry
[15:09]	Daedalus Young:	I did encounter extreme slowness after having SL open for a few hours
[15:09]	Bridie Linden:	please click on hand now
[15:09]	Daedalus Young:	but haven't seen it go gradually slower though
[15:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	thehomebuilt clients have lots of problems due to the diffferences in libraries
[15:10]	Wyn Galbraith:	Is that due to the cache?
[15:10]	Torley Linden:	My "extreme slowness" with SL open for several hours is typically due to SL eating up lots of RAM and then running out of physical RAM so it goes into virtual memory... lots of disk swapping. :\
[15:10]	Ryozu Kojima:	I fell asleep for several hours with SL running, came back and it was still running fine.
[15:10]	Torley Linden:	I don't really have that on my current system because I have 4 GB of RAM, but I keep my eyes open.
[15:10]	Bridie Linden:	But this mentions that memory usage doesn't change...
[15:10]	Ryozu Kojima:	So I have no idea here
[15:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and different OSes show the same problem to a different degree
[15:10]	Bridie Linden:	I thought maybe it was related to 2477 at first...
[15:10]	Torley Linden:	Yeah, I don't know about VWR-2518... no one else has commented.
[15:11]	Bridie Linden:	It's on LInux
[15:11]	Bridie Linden:	Aric, what do you think?
[15:11]	Torley Linden:	Heya Jill!
[15:11]	Daedalus Young:	I've only seen it happen once, where I had to restart because every new frame needed lots of disk activity
[15:11]	Wyn Galbraith:	Why would one CPU get bogged down and not the other? That sounds like hardware.
[15:11]	Wyn Galbraith:	Or OS issue, directing the CPUs.
[15:11]	Aric Linden:	hold on please. I need to catchup
[15:11]	Bridie Linden nods
[15:12]	Aric Linden is being assaulted by blog commentators
[15:12]	Wyn Galbraith starts moving reeeeeeeaaaaal slooooooooow
[15:12]	Ryozu Kojima:	Sounds likely it's a multi-processor/core issue. I have neither.
[15:12]	Bridie Linden:	Leave it or resolve as 'needs more info'?
[15:12]	Ryozu Kojima:	Aww, Sorry Aric, don't stress, you'll get the hang of it ;)
[15:12]	Torley Linden:	I'd say Needs More Info.
[15:12]	Bridie Linden:	Any objections?
[15:12]	Aric Linden laughs
[15:12]	Daedalus Young:	sounds fine
[15:12]	Wyn Galbraith:	I would think the OS should balance the CPUs evenly. Unless you override the settings.
[15:13]	Bridie Linden:	Anyone want to add comments to 2518?
[15:13]	Bridie Linden:	(hint hint) :)
[15:13]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL You mean me?
[15:13]	Torley Linden:	Comments appreciated!
[15:13]	Aric Linden:	ok. back and at attention
[15:13]	Ryozu Kojima:	Ah, I see 1.18.2.1 hit the servers.
[15:13]	Wyn Galbraith:	I'm not sure how Linux handles dual cores.
[15:14]	Saijanai Kuhn:	a killer voice issue for mac users?
[15:14]	Wyn Galbraith:	Or does it?
[15:14]	Aric Linden:	bridie, do you need me to add anything to the 2518 discussion
[15:14]	Bridie Linden:	I don't think so...
[15:14]	Aric Linden:	k
[15:14]	Bridie Linden:	let's move on to VWR-2517
[15:14]	Bridie Linden:	Can't add users to parcel ban list in RC
[15:14]	Aric Linden:	hmm
[15:14]	Ryozu Kojima:	Sounds like they don't have the "Ban these residents" checkbox checked
[15:14]	Bridie Linden:	I haven't had a chance to try this
[15:15]	Aric Linden:	I wonder if this is a user error
[15:15]	Ryozu Kojima:	I'd so so, I've done the same
[15:15]	Ryozu Kojima:	Same behaviour is also exhibited on the "Allow access list"
[15:15]	Torley Linden:	This sounds like a straightforward repro; Gigs is pretty savvy about these things but it's worth checking out for sure.
[15:15]	Wyn Galbraith added.
[15:15]	Ryozu Kojima:	If it's not checked, it's not added
[15:15]	Torley Linden:	I'm not on the RC right now but this is your parcel, Bridie -- wanna give it a crack?
[15:16]	Bridie Linden:	Let me try real quick...
[15:16]	Wyn Galbraith:	Gigs is pretty sharp, and it is the release candidate. I could try later on my land.
[15:17]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh doh.
[15:17]	Wyn Galbraith:	Bridie's land.
[15:17]	Bridie Linden:	Choosing someone from my calling cards seems to work
[15:17]	Ryozu Kojima:	Did you try with "ban these avatars" unchecked?
[15:17]	Wyn Galbraith:	What about choosing like me?
[15:17]	Bridie Linden:	No, I didn't try with that unchecked
[15:18]	Bridie Linden:	Just did
[15:18]	Bridie Linden:	maybe that's what Gigs did?
[15:18]	Ryozu Kojima:	Maybe, I'd comment asking him to double-check that checkbox
[15:18]	Wyn Galbraith:	It won't let you with it unchecked?
[15:18]	Bridie Linden:	Let's resolve as 'can't repro' and ask Gigs to check how he's doing the ban...
[15:19]	Torley Linden:	OK...
[15:19]	Bridie Linden:	Next up VWR-2505
[15:19]	Wyn Galbraith thinks that sounds good.
[15:19]	Tao Takashi:	Hello
[15:19]	Daedalus Young:	hi
[15:19]	Saijanai Kuhn:	hey tao
[15:20]	Wyn Galbraith:	I've seen this I think.
[15:20]	Bridie Linden:	"edit doesn't allways update correctly with regard to prim parameters "
[15:20]	Daedalus Young:	hm, I've never tried this
[15:20]	Bridie Linden:	I didn't get a chance to try this either...
[15:20]	Aric Linden:	Nicely written steps
[15:20]	Wyn Galbraith:	There have been times the field doesn't update.
[15:20]	Bridie Linden:	Yes, A+!
[15:20]	Aric Linden always enjoys a well-written bug
[15:20]	Bridie Linden:	Can someone try real fast?
[15:20]	Wyn Galbraith:	See I jot this sort of thing up to lag.
[15:21]	Aric Linden:	I'm not in rc. i'm on 1.18,.2.1
[15:21]	Torley Linden agrees with Aric. :)
[15:21]	Wyn Galbraith:	I am.
[15:21]	Wyn Galbraith:	Should I go away and try it?
[15:21]	Aric Linden:	please
[15:21]	Bridie Linden:	I think you can try here
[15:21]	Wyn Galbraith:	I'll be back, like the govenator.
[15:21]	Tao Takashi:	there actually is some similat thing in the edit window.. If you edit one position to e.g. add 10m the object moves, if you edit it back to the original value it does not move
[15:21]	Wyn Galbraith:	No build here.
[15:21]	Bridie Linden:	oh right
[15:21]	Bridie Linden:	sorry
[15:22]	Saijanai Kuhn keeps invis objects floating around his hat (or the turtle's) just so he can script in no build sims
[15:22]	Saijanai Kuhn:	clock show
[15:22]	Bridie Linden:	Let's move on let Wyn report back
[15:22]	Torley Linden:	OK.
[15:22]	Bridie Linden:	next, VWR-2302 - Votes: 0 - Problem between Starting Second Life and NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600
[15:22]	Daedalus Young:	but this is also no-script, Sai
[15:23]	Bridie Linden:	(moving on to Not new in RC 1.18.3, NOT Imported list)
[15:23]	Saijanai Kuhn thinks that that is nofair
[15:23]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and poor turtle is now mute
[15:23]	Bridie Linden loves turtles...
[15:23]	Tao Takashi:	Lindens are not here to be fair ;-)
[15:24]	Bridie Linden:	I'm reading through comments in 2302
[15:25]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm I wonder if Oberon still has the old 94.24 drivers to try.
[15:25]	Bridie Linden:	hmm
[15:26]	Saijanai Kuhn:	its hard to keep track of driver updates, especialy on Windows
[15:26]	Wyn Galbraith:	It seems to work but I have XP not a Mac
[15:26]	Saijanai Kuhn:	(IMHO)
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	I'm concerned about a conflict with either the international drivers (which we've being seeing a lot of)
[15:26]	Ryozu Kojima:	2505: I can repro it
[15:26]	Bridie Linden nods
[15:26]	Wyn Galbraith:	Clicking into the next field acts as a return.
[15:26]	Bridie Linden:	Thx Ryozu
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	ok. we should import 2502
[15:26]	Aric Linden:	erm, 2505
[15:26]	Bridie Linden:	Ryozu - are you using RC Viewer?
[15:26]	Torley Linden:	K, importing that... thanks Ryozu.
[15:26]	Wyn Galbraith:	So on a Mac it fails?
[15:27]	Ryozu Kojima:	1.18.3.4 WinXP XP2
[15:27]	Wyn Galbraith:	Wow.
[15:27]	Bridie Linden:	Thx
[15:27]	Bridie Linden:	So, back to 2302...
[15:27]	Aric Linden:	with regard to the drivers, it may be that davep needs to update the drivers table
[15:27]	Aric Linden:	Bridie, please import this and assign it to me
[15:27]	Ryozu Kojima:	I mouse highlighted the SIngles digit, added 1, clicked into a new field, Mouse Hilighted the same digit, returned to old value, clicked away.
[15:27]	Bridie Linden looks @ Torley
[15:27]	Bridie Linden:	:)
[15:28]	Torley Linden:	I'll import and assign.
[15:28]	Torley Linden:	=)
[15:28]	Torley Linden:	Over to ya Aric, arrrr!
[15:28]	Torley Linden:	=D
[15:28]	Aric Linden:	i need to refresh myself on the conversation I had with daveP
[15:28]	Alexa Linden:	hahaha
[15:28]	Aric Linden:	arr c'pn torley and a good job it is now
[15:28]	Ryozu Kojima:	Mutliclient <3
[15:28]	Bridie Linden:	Thx maties!
[15:28]	Torley Linden:	Hahaha.
[15:28]	Bridie Linden:	VWR-2421 - Votes: 0 - Adv. graphics: Vertex Ripple water grayed out & Avatar rendering: only normal on ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT
[15:29]	Bridie Linden:	wait for WindLight?
[15:29]	Ryozu Kojima:	I wonder if "Reinstalled the system," they mean the graphics drivers?
[15:29]	Rosen Janus:	<< Sorry
[15:30]	Ryozu Kojima:	If they didn't properly uninstall/reinstall graphics drivers, I could see this problem popping up.
[15:30]	Bridie Linden:	Not sure what they mean by 'reinstalled the system'
[15:30]	Rosen Janus:	I wouldn't know. My graphics card doesn't support the vertex and ripple water features
[15:31]	Bridie Linden:	Heya Kooky
[15:31]	Kooky Jetaime:	Hi Bridie
[15:31]	Bridie Linden:	(Click the SL logo to join the discussion)
[15:31]	Kooky Jetaime:	Sorry, my computer decided to go visit crashville...
[15:31]	Bridie Linden hates that place :)
[15:32]	Bridie Linden:	So, with 2421...
[15:32]	Kooky Jetaime:	Me to.. especially when I have to actually USE the little reset button on the cpu..
[15:32]	Bridie Linden:	There's been lots of under the hood work going on with WindLIgh, but perhaps this is a specific system issue?
[15:32]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm...
[15:32]	Bridie Linden:	*WindLight
[15:33]	Torley Linden:	I'd be interested in having reports from other Residents with the same/similar cards.
[15:33]	Bridie Linden:	Can we ask for more info? esp about what "reinstalled the system" means...
[15:33]	Rosen Janus:	Well, the easiest way to find out is when it's released, see if people with similar system stats have the same problem.
[15:33]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'll guess it means a fresh OS install
[15:33]	Aric Linden squints at rosen janus
[15:33]	Kooky Jetaime:	thats what It means to me
[15:34]	Torley Linden:	I think draw distance is set to 128 m by default on higher-end systems via hardware autodetect, so it does appear something is amiss here.
[15:34]	Rosen Janus:	o_O Hey, I'm lazy. XD
[15:34]	Aric Linden:	laughs
[15:34]	Aric Linden:	not why I was squinting. it's a useful suggestion
[15:34]	Aric Linden is lazy too
[15:34]	Bridie Linden:	What do you think Aric?
[15:34]	Tao Takashi:	and then you wait until somebody fixes it :)
[15:34]	Torley Linden:	I'm curious how long this Resident has been having this problem, I don't see a mention of it.
[15:34]	Rosen Janus:	Users are the essential as they submit the majority of the bug reports.
[15:35]	Aric Linden:	Bridie, I don't know enough about this stuff to have a strong opinion
[15:35]	Aric Linden:	It does seem odd that in the process of optimizing something broke
[15:35]	Torley Linden:	I suggest maybe having logs would help too.
[15:35]	Bridie Linden:	Torley, maybe add a comment...
[15:35]	Aric Linden:	and I can't tell if it's us or him
[15:35]	Torley Linden:	Go for "Needs More Info" and ask for those details?
[15:35]	Bridie Linden:	see if we can collect more info from others?
[15:35]	Rosen Janus:	If it's a showstopper that keeps it from being run.. well.. yeah.. that obviously should be dealt with before release
[15:36]	Torley Linden:	Yes, I'll add a comment... sound good to all of you to resolve as Needs More Info too?
[15:36]	Wyn Galbraith nods
[15:36]	Aric Linden nods at C'pn torley of the tortugas
[15:36]	Torley Linden:	Hahaha.
[15:36]	Torley Linden:	HAR HAR HARDY HAR.
[15:37]	Jill Linden:	not Yo Ho Ho?
[15:37]	Bridie Linden:	Arrrrrrr! Next up!
[15:37]	Bridie Linden:	VWR-1303 - Votes: 5 - Make Chat/IM typing responsive under all circumstances in-world
[15:37]	Rosen Janus:	My friend's a bug tester for a small-time software company. Maybe I can ask him for a repro.
[15:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	LOL that's an easy request
[15:37]	Bridie Linden:	Thx Rosen
[15:37]	Torley Linden:	I remember seeing VWR-1303 come up in various forms.
[15:38]	Aric Linden:	I agree with Elle's comments in 1303
[15:38]	Aric Linden:	yeah, torley, we've been through this one before, I think
[15:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	There are so many things that probably contribute to that issue, and different ones in different OS's. I'ts like a jira askign for a bug-free client
[15:39]	Torley Linden:	Yeah, it bugs me when FPS is 5, then typing is slow and clunky... I think it may be because of OpenGL powering everything in here so when graphics slow down, text does too?
[15:39]	Daedalus Young:	I think so yes
[15:39]	Bridie Linden:	Alas me shipmates...what to do w/1303?
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	Uhm. Perhaps they're getting a bit of the new "no Keystrokes" SL too
[15:39]	Ty Magpie:	Pirate day!
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	so they think its missing when its not
[15:39]	Ryozu Kojima shrugs.
[15:39]	Bridie Linden:	It's already linked to Meta Issue
[15:39]	Wyn Galbraith:	There is weirdnesses with the typing buffer, argh.
[15:40]	Torley Linden:	Hm, I think we should at least confirm with a dev why this isn't easier.
[15:40]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I found at least one possible bug with mouse handling in some classes. I'm sure there are other slowdowns i the GUI too. Its a mega-Meta issue
[15:40]	Torley Linden:	I bet Steve would know.
[15:40]	Ryozu Kojima:	I don't think there's that much you can do about it without revamping input
[15:40]	Bracken Hotaling:	sorry
[15:40]	Rosen Janus:	I can related to that.
[15:40]	Ty Magpie:	Nah, excuse me... sorry.
[15:40]	Bracken Hotaling:	;o)
[15:40]	Torley Linden:	I can import and ask Steve about it, and then likely outcome is "Someday Maybe" or "Won't Finish".
[15:40]	Bridie Linden:	We can ask Torley, but I'm not sure we can do much right now...
[15:41]	Saijanai Kuhn:	he's got so many issues with the GUI...
[15:41]	Rosen Janus:	I don't know how many times I've tried to type and I see something about not sufficient permissions or error messaging in gorup chat
[15:41]	Saijanai Kuhn sobs
[15:41]	Rosen Janus:	Something like that
[15:41]	Wyn Galbraith patpats Saijanai.
[15:41]	Rosen Janus:	-Pats Sai as well- =(
[15:41]	Bridie Linden:	Torley, can you talk to Steve w/o importing?
[15:41]	Aric Linden:	agrees with bridie
[15:41]	Saijanai Kuhn has been tearing his hair out (can you tell) about a simple GUI extension.
[15:42]	Ryozu Kojima chuckles.
[15:42]	Torley Linden:	OK, I'll do that. =)
[15:42]	Ryozu Kojima:	I think that will come in time
[15:42]	Torley Linden:	*makes a note*
[15:42]	Wyn Galbraith:	Poor baby, here's hankies.
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	Ty!
[15:42]	Torley Linden:	Prolly simpler, good idea guys!
[15:42]	Aric Linden:	thanks torley
[15:42]	Ty Magpie:	What?
[15:42]	Ty Magpie:	Who?
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	Sorry Ty, was doing shorthand for 'thank you' to Torley!
[15:42]	Bridie Linden:	NExt up VWR-2471 - Votes: 0 - SL-viewer chrashes after opening the 10th group-info-window
[15:42]	Torley Linden:	Hehe.
[15:42]	Ty Magpie:	Smiles, go on...
[15:42]	Jill Linden:	grins
[15:42]	Kooky Jetaime:	10th?
[15:42]	Aric Linden:	let's try it
[15:43]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm... VWR-2471 sounds like an easy repro to follow.
[15:43]	Rosen Janus:	... never tried that
[15:43]	Kooky Jetaime starts infoing..
[15:43]	Rosen Janus:	I'll try
[15:43]	Saijanai Kuhn plays wackamole
[15:43]	Ryozu Kojima:	I assume they're leaving the group info window open each time?
[15:43]	Aric Linden:	is willing to be that it's because it's the german viewer and something in the text buffer freaks
[15:43]	Bridie Linden:	Possibly...
[15:44]	Ren Aya:	Lol
[15:44]	Bridie Linden:	Rob says he just crashed!
[15:44]	Ren Aya:	I just crashed Ryozu
[15:44]	Ren Aya:	Left each group info window open
[15:44]	Bridie Linden:	Rob crashed on 11 or 12
[15:44]	Saijanai Kuhn:	up to lucky number 13 so far
[15:44]	Ren Aya:	On the 11th group info attempt, crashed
[15:44]	Bridie Linden:	Let's import!
[15:44]	Ren Aya:	Did not close each window before hitting info on the next group
[15:44]	Bridie Linden:	and bump priority!
[15:44]	Saijanai Kuhn:	13 groups + history, horrid lag but no crash
[15:44]	Torley Tester shouts: I CRASHED DANGI
[15:45]	Ren Aya:	Sai, did you close each window? Also, what OS?
[15:45]	Bridie Linden:	Rob crashed too
[15:45]	Saijanai Kuhn:	but having chat lag as well apparently
[15:45]	Torley Tester:	Yeah, VWR-2471 is definitely reproducible.
[15:45]	Rob Linden:	yup, back now
[15:45]	Tao Takashi:	gotta go, cya later
[15:45]	Bridie Linden:	Please, import and bump priority
[15:45]	Torley Tester takes the other Torley's chair.
[15:45]	Torley Tester:	DOING SO NOW.
[15:45]	Ren Aya:	Seeya Tao!
[15:45]	Torley Tester:	I HATE CRASHES.
[15:45]	Bridie Linden:	Bye Tao
[15:45]	Torley Tester:	It's good this has such an easy repro!
[15:45]	Rob Linden:	(or bad depending on your point of view)
[15:46]	Torley Tester:	*nod*
[15:46]	Bridie Linden:	True, matey, true
[15:46]	Saijanai Kuhn:	mac os x 4.5 2.5 GB
[15:46]	Bridie Linden:	Ready for the next one?
[15:46]	Saijanai Kuhn:	ram
[15:46]	Bridie Linden:	VWR-2086 - Votes: 8 - Alt key no longer shows "physical" when pressed.
[15:46]	Ren Aya:	Did anyone test WITH closing each info window?
[15:46]	Ren Aya:	2086: I think that's working as intended
[15:46]	Torley Tester:	Haha, 2086, my lucky number.
[15:46]	Kooky Jetaime:	God
[15:46]	Ren Aya:	There's just not much understanding about the new beacons
[15:46]	Kooky Jetaime:	I need to vote that one!
[15:46]	Rosen Janus:	o.O That group info thing was right!
[15:46]	Wyn Galbraith:	That was fun.
[15:47]	Wyn Galbraith voted for that bug.
[15:47]	Torley Tester:	I did a video tutorial on beacons & highlights last week.
[15:47]	Rosen Janus:	I crashed upon clicking the 11th info button
[15:47]	Bridie Linden:	Thx for the repros everyone!
[15:47]	Ty Magpie:	It was good too, Torley. Even I understood it.
[15:47]	Torley Tester:	Thanks Ty!
[15:47]	Wyn Galbraith did too.
[15:47]	Rosen Janus:	XD No problem.
[15:47]	Torley Tester:	I'll add a link to my tutorial.
[15:47]	Bridie Linden:	Hey Negrito - we're having a bug triage
[15:47]	Kooky Jetaime:	of course, that is appearing to be a removed feature
[15:47]	Daedalus Young:	I was able to identify a particle spammer today with it, so it already helped
[15:48]	Torley Tester:	:)
[15:48]	Kooky Jetaime:	since Alt Shows Physical has been removed and replaced with the whole new Becon system
[15:48]	Saijanai Kuhn:	no crashses with 14 windows open including 2 IMs and history. no crashes when typing no crashes when closing but speed is horrible now
[15:48]	Kooky Jetaime:	so would this be a bug, or a "please give it back" request
[15:48]	Ryozu Kojima:	I think this is a "Please give it back" request
[15:49]	Torley Tester:	There are some design bugs too, I'm adding a comment.
[15:49]	Torley Tester:	I think it's important to distinguish and fix those bugs too.
[15:49]	Torley Tester:	E.g., https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2425
[15:50]	Bridie Linden:	What are we doing with 2086?
[15:50]	Torley Tester:	I suggest leave 2086 open but new bugs should be filed for specific bugs, and fix those first.
[15:50]	Torley Tester:	Like VWR-2425.
[15:50]	Torley Tester:	That will clear some of the clutter and confusion.
[15:50]	Kooky Jetaime:	2425 maybe link to 2086?
[15:50]	Bridie Linden:	Ok
[15:50]	Torley Tester:	There is too much noise here right now.
[15:50]	Torley Tester:	Yes, good idea Kooky.
[15:50]	Kooky Jetaime:	turn 2086 to a meta on the new approach?
[15:51]	Torley Tester:	Wanna go ahead and link it Kooky?
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	Referred or Refers?
[15:51]	Torley Tester:	Relates to.
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	er Relates to or
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	ok
[15:51]	Bridie Linden:	Moving on to ....VWR-692 - Votes: 7 - Group sessions do not remained closed
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	link
[15:51]	Saijanai Kuhn:	aGAIN? That trick never works
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	Uh
[15:52]	Kooky Jetaime:	I havn't had a problem with group sessions
[15:52]	Daedalus Young:	yes, I had that happen just before this triage
[15:52]	Kooky Jetaime:	Bridie - I think this one, we need some detail on how its "intended" to work.
[15:52]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I thought that was fixed months ago, to be honest
[15:52]	Kooky Jetaime:	because if someone new opens the group IM, I think it /should/ cause it to open on everyones list
[15:52]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hello Rob ;)
[15:52]	Kooky Jetaime:	and I'm betting thats what is happening
[15:53]	Ryozu Kojima:	Uh, on VWR-692? I think they got a little carried away with selecting versions affected
[15:53]	Torley Tester:	Yeah, I'd like more clarity on expected behavior.
[15:53]	Daedalus Young:	yes, but if you close the session, it should not reopen when others reply
[15:53]	Ryozu Kojima:	I'd like more clarity on which version they're using
[15:53]	Torley Tester:	Don't group IMs have a bigger timeout period presently than in months previous?
[15:53]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I thought that the new behavior is just fine: highlights the tab and beeps on first new IM
[15:53]	Kooky Jetaime:	Daedalus - unless some of them are closing and then reopening
[15:53]	Daedalus Young:	that is possible yes
[15:53]	Bridie Linden hmmms
[15:54]	Ryozu Kojima:	I don't see this happening on the RC, I close a group chat and it stays closed o_o
[15:54]	Bridie Linden:	I haven't noticed it either
[15:54]	Torley Tester:	Yeah... hmmm...
[15:54]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I get a message of a new IM but the window stays closed
[15:54]	Bridie Linden nods
[15:54]	Torley Tester:	we need more info on what the reporter is seeing currently.
[15:54]	Bridie Linden:	Please, Torley
[15:54]	Bridie Linden:	Thx.
[15:54]	Kooky Jetaime:	Yea.. And Expected
[15:54]	Ryozu Kojima:	Sounds like an old issue
[15:54]	Torley Tester:	K.
[15:55]	Torley Tester:	*actions*
[15:55]	Saijanai Kuhn:	though I DO still see the leaky console/history issue sometimes
[15:55]	Bridie Linden:	Time for one more?
[15:55]	Daedalus Young:	yeah sure
[15:55]	Bridie Linden:	# VWR-2462 - Votes: 0 - crash in std::_Rb_tree / lower_bound(LLImageGL* const&) - bushing Spatula
[15:55]	Rosen Janus:	Hiya, Ryoko. =3
[15:56]	Daedalus Young:	oh, rgar's something I have zero knowledge of
[15:56]	Ryoko Rotaru:	eyo :)
[15:56]	Ryoko Rotaru:	heyo*
[15:56]	Daedalus Young shifts keyboard 1cm to the left
[15:56]	Daedalus Young:	that's something... and so on
[15:56]	Torley Tester:	I'm not familiar with this one at all.
[15:57]	Torley Tester:	Looks like it has good info tho, perhaps escalate to Major and import for further investigation?
[15:57]	Saijanai Kuhn:	xCode! another mac user
[15:57]	Rosen Janus:	o.o Hm. -Rocks from side to side- I don't really have problems with group IM instead the errors.
[15:57]	Daedalus Young:	hooray for Macs :D
[15:58]	Bridie Linden:	Is it clear what bushing was doing when he crashed?
[15:58]	Torley Tester:	Hm, I don't see mention of that.
[15:58]	Wyn Galbraith:	clear as mud
[15:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I've never seen that particular set of errors the entire time I've been playing with the home-built viewer on the mac.
[15:58]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I wonder if he has checkd for RAM issues...
[15:59]	Bridie Linden:	Saijanai, would you mind commenting or trying to contact bushing for more info?
[15:59]	Saijanai Kuhn:	NP, sure
[15:59]	Saijanai Kuhn makes note
[15:59]	Bridie Linden:	Thx
[15:59]	Wyn Galbraith:	various macs doesn't give a lot of info
[15:59]	Torley Tester:	Thanks Sai!
[15:59]	Ryozu Kojima:	Sounds like something I'd have to pour over the source to figure out. >_<
[15:59]	Bridie Linden:	I think that brings us to the 4 o'clock hour...
[15:59]	Wyn Galbraith:	Promotes two issues of her own for comments etc; VWR-2366 & SVC-631
[15:59]	Bridie Linden:	Thx maties!
[15:59]	Torley Tester:	ARRRright!
[16:00]	Daedalus Young:	yer welcome
[16:00]	Wyn Galbraith:	NP Captain!
[16:00]	Torley Tester:	*checks Wyn's issues*
[16:00]	Aric Linden:	are we done?
[16:00]	Rosen Janus:	Unrelated, but I see they fixed the Second Life Risk API's false positives issue, right?
[16:00]	Ryozu Kojima:	I believe so
[16:00]	Torley Tester:	"gang the volume control", I'm all too familiar with that from my audio mixing days.
[16:00]	Aric Linden:	hasn't been much help today
[16:00]	Wyn Galbraith:	Wyn's issues come in a green box ;)
[16:00]	Aric Linden apologizes to bridie
[16:00]	Bridie Linden:	Thx to all of the Lindens today too!
[16:00]	Ryozu Kojima:	and away I go
[16:00]	Daedalus Young:	Rosen, that came up in previous triage
[16:00]	Wyn Galbraith:	What do you think Torley?
[16:00]	Torley Tester:	Rosen: AFAIK Jill knows more about that. :) But we change the Risk API algorithm over time to improve it.
[16:00]	Rosen Janus:	I wasn't there. x.x
[16:00]	Aric Linden waves
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	Ahh I've got a phone call too, such a crazy day. :D
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	Wyn: I'd like that ability.
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	I'm all too used to mixing boards.
[16:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	Thanks for the meeting y'll.
[16:01]	Bridie Linden:	I must run ,too -- thx again!
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	Thx all, take care and see ya later!
[16:01]	Rosen Janus:	SLX is behaving normally for me and my friend can buy Lindens again! X3 Good day for all
[16:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	It's just painful to turn everyone up.
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	power Users, don't forget to check out VWR-2438
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	And Wyn, SVC-631 -- that sorta aliasing I've wanted for ages.
[16:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	Like in a room full of people ike this.
[16:01]	Torley Tester:	Have a good one all... bye for now.