Bug triage/2008-02-04/Transcript

[12:08] You: shall we start? [12:08] Sue Linden is Offline [12:08] Bub Linden is Offline [12:09] Squirrel Wood: eep [12:09] Squirrel Wood: Alexa's gone! [12:09] You: I know. [12:09] You: It might've been intentional [12:09] Squirrel Wood: Oh well [12:09] Squirrel Wood: not much of an attendance here today [12:10] Graciana McMillan is Offline [12:10] You: yeah, just the faithful few [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: :) [12:10] You: everyone else has a hangover, I guess [12:10] Harleen Gretzky: lol [12:10] Squirrel Wood: hehe [12:10] You: or no one loves me anymore [12:10] You: prolly that. [12:10] Aric Linden gets really sad [12:10] Squirrel Wood: aww [12:11] Aric Linden sniffs [12:11] You: should we start anyway? [12:11] Harleen Gretzky: sure [12:11] Squirrel Wood: How else could we get things done ? :) [12:11] Lidy Sands is Offline [12:11] You: first up is svc-1405 [12:12] Harleen Gretzky: it is? [12:12] Squirrel Wood: I believe there is an agenda today? [12:13] You: you're right (both of you) [12:13] You: I had the wrong window open [12:13] Aric Linden is easily confused by tabs [12:13] Squirrel Wood: ^^ [12:13] Lidy Sands is Online [12:14] Squirrel Wood: svc-1394 looks like it needs a clarification by a linden as to why this is going in [12:14] Beast Linden is Offline [12:14] Cogsworth Linden is Offline [12:14] Shaun Altman is Online [12:14] Harleen Gretzky: the OP only wants a Linden to resolve it [12:16] Cogsworth Linden is Online [12:17] Beverly Montgomery is Online [12:17] You: I'd like to import this. at least to inform the internal dialog [12:17] Felix Wakmann is Online [12:17] Jeff Linden is Offline [12:17] You: we did some investigations and found (somewhat suspiciously) that a limited number of users have longer names [12:18] Rascal Ratelle is Online [12:18] You: we don't actually know if that's correct or not [12:18] You: so we'll take this one [12:18] Squirrel Wood: :) [12:18] Felix Wakmann is Offline [12:18] You: nest is MISC-907 [12:18] Squirrel Wood: essentially the same [12:18] Felix Wakmann is Online [12:18] Squirrel Wood: as the last one [12:18] You: yep [12:18] Harleen Gretzky: This is really the | ? issue [12:19] Squirrel Wood: yep [12:19] You: Looks like it, Harleen [12:19] Squirrel Wood: I know why I use several different separators... [12:19] You: i'll take it as well. [12:19] Aric Linden looks at squirrel [12:19] You: why's that? [12:19] Squirrel Wood: llParseString2List(llGetObjectDesc(),[",","|",";"," "],[]); [12:19] Squirrel Wood: so I can use , ; | or space [12:20] You: ahah [12:20] You: svc-1415 is next [12:20] Harleen Gretzky: Lookslike Torley has already done something with this one [12:20] Dizzy Banjo is Offline [12:20] JT Linden is Online [12:21] You: it should be updated as such. we'll do that [12:21] Hamilton Linden is Offline [12:21] Enus Linden is Online [12:21] Steve Linden is Online [12:21] Guen Shan: hi *mews* [12:21] Squirrel Wood: Hellos [12:21] You: Hi guen [12:21] Guen Shan: did i miss a lot? ^^ [12:22] You: not so much, mostly just fallout from the rollout last week [12:22] You: we're now on svc-1437 [12:22] Squirrel Wood: instead of 1m sensors they could get the link key of the last prim in the linkset and check if it is an agent. works better than sensorsa [12:22] Harleen Gretzky: Torley was busy this morning, looks like [12:23] You: yep, he was up early, doing a bunch of stuff [12:23] You: I had mail from him at 6 AM [12:23] Guen Shan: Aric, this is my first time on a bug triage meeting, could you tell me the website where i find the discussd bugs please? [12:23] Squirrel Wood: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda [12:23] You: Squirrel is on top of it [12:23] Squirrel Wood: ^^ [12:24] You: btw, guen, we're always trying to set new records [12:24] Benjamin Linden is Offline [12:24] You: I believe the current record is 25 bugs reviewed in an hour [12:24] Steve Linden is Offline [12:24] Benjamin Linden is Online [12:25] You: we'll take this one [12:25] Guen Shan: i'm not much into programmers stuff ^^ i'm quite a noob with it ^^ [12:25] You: boy that roll out really hit hard [12:25] Harleen Gretzky: seems so [12:25] You: Guen, I"m not a programmer either. I'm just a geekish guy [12:25] Squirrel Wood: svc-54 is borken again [12:25] You: svc-54 [12:26] You: apparently so [12:26] You: this is universally loathed in LL as well [12:26] You: we'll take it [12:26] Squirrel Wood: Aye [12:27] You: vwr-1286 [12:27] Harleen Gretzky: Triaged already [12:27] Squirrel Wood: gigs is still waiting [12:27] Squirrel Wood: Gigs Taggart - 11/Jan/08 07:02 AM OK, if you all have solid reproduction then it probably is the patch. This patch will likely have to be rewritten nearly from scratch for windlight anyway. I'm sorta waiting for windlight to be released before putting too much into this... since Linden Lab is taking about 6 months to get new patches in, there's no point is me rewriting it for the first look. [12:28] CeAire Decosta is Offline [12:28] You: let's skip this one [12:28] Glenn Linden is Offline [12:28] Kyle Linden is Online [12:28] You: since gigs is waiting for WL on it. WL is moving into beta soon [12:28] You: so, svc-155 [12:28] Squirrel Wood: ah... the ghostly prims that the sim still believes being there when they have long since been deleted [12:28] Guen Shan: can i trow in a bug, which i think is rather important being solved? [12:28] You: sorry. svc-255 [12:29] You: has it been put into pjira? [12:29] Guen Shan: yes [12:29] Squirrel Wood: a sim restart usually fixes these [12:29] Guen Shan: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2085 [12:30] You: Squirrel, would you care to update the pjria issue with that suggestion? [12:30] Squirrel Wood: willdo [12:30] Angela Linden is Offline [12:30] Aric Linden grins at squirrel [12:30] You: thanks [12:31] You: ok, let's look at vwr-2085 [12:31] Guen Shan: thanks [12:31] Cogsworth Linden is Offline [12:31] Soft Linden is Offline [12:32] You: are you sure this is critical? [12:32] You: I can see it being a major issue [12:32] Sidewinder Linden is Online [12:32] Guen Shan: for linux user it is very annonying [12:32] Guen Shan: i can't switch off hud [12:32] Sidewinder Linden is Offline [12:32] Squirrel Wood: especially for machinima creators [12:32] Soft Linden is Online [12:32] Guen Shan: makes filming impossible [12:32] Squirrel Wood: or however movie making is called :p [12:32] You: aha [12:32] You: ok [12:33] You: we'll take it in and have the linux folk take a look [12:33] Pastrami Linden is Offline [12:33] Benjamin Linden is Offline [12:33] Guen Shan: thank you *mews* [12:33] You: svc-1428 is next [12:33] Squirrel Wood: VWR-2896 would probably solve / provide a workaround for this bug, as Linux users would be able to change the shortcut themselves. [ Show » ] Opensource Obscure - 09/Dec/07 11:05 AM VWR-2896 would probably solve / provide a workaround for this bug, as Linux users would be able to change the shortcut themselves. [12:33] Aric Linden grins at guen [12:34] Benjamin Linden is Online [12:34] Soft Linden: Already imported [12:34] Soft Linden: Torley's pushing this one internally [12:34] Aric Linden nods at Squirrel [12:34] You: hey soft, I didn't see you arrive [12:34] Felix Wakmann is Offline [12:34] Soft Linden: Just popped in! Got double-booked [12:34] Squirrel Wood: torley was at it again ^^ [12:34] Squirrel Wood: Hello Soft :) [12:34] Soft Linden: Hey hey :) [12:35] You: yep. i know the feeling [12:35] Sidewinder Linden is Online [12:35] You: (re double borking) [12:35] Benjamin Linden is Offline [12:35] Squirrel Wood: double booked can be handled... triple booked though... even torley says he needs clones :p [12:35] You: let's make sure this gets imported and marked as being worked (i'll work with Alexa on it) [12:35] You: There are three known torley's and the same number of milos [12:36] Soft Linden: Dun dun dunnnnn! [12:36] Benjamin Linden is Online [12:36] Sidewinder Linden is Offline [12:37] Squirrel Wood: vwr-4444 has patch attached [12:37] Sidewinder Linden is Online [12:37] Soft Linden: VWR-444 can go directly to Sardonyx Linden [12:37] Soft Linden: VWR-4444 [12:37] You: k [12:37] Soft Linden: He's doing cmake iterations right now [12:37] You: thanks [12:37] You: right [12:37] changethe Republic is Offline [12:38] You: I'll be saving the chat log for alexa [12:38] changethe Republic has ended the call. You will now be reconnected to spatial voice chat. [12:38] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [12:38] Guen Shan: lots of 4's ^^ [12:38] Connected [12:38] You: she's a little swamped right now [12:38] Soft Linden: VWR-4444444444444 [12:38] Guen Shan: ^^ [12:38] You: better than vwr-6666666 [12:38] Soft Linden: We skipped 1286, but that's the one Gigs is still holding off to rewrite after windlight [12:38] Selene Kyogen is Online [12:38] You: svc-1416 [12:38] Harleen Gretzky: It was double-booked too :) [12:39] Harleen Gretzky: we did it under Hot by Vote [12:39] Guen Shan: *mews* [12:39] You: heh [12:40] Soft Linden: SVC-1416 - I'm pretty sure there's an internal issue for making pretty much everything unicode - this could be imported and linked to that [12:40] You: I"m sure phoenix will be happy to know that strife considers him competent [12:40] Soft Linden: Hahaha [12:40] Squirrel Wood: hmm... has anyone tried xtea encryption on mono yet? [12:40] Soft Linden: Import and *not* assign to Phoenix! [12:40] Aric Linden grins and agrees with Soft [12:40] You: Squirrel, I"m pretty sure the mono team has done that [12:40] You: they're pretty competent [12:41] Squirrel Wood: heh [12:41] Aric Linden falls over [12:41] Squirrel Wood: I still have a script that wrestles down mono to a mere crawl :) [12:41] You: svc-234 [12:41] Alice Mastroianni is Online [12:41] You: Squirrel, I bet that Vektor Linden would LOVE a look at that [12:41] PersephoneGea Clary gave you Snapshot : Caribbean Sunset #2 Ivory House , Caribbean Sunset (. [12:42] Soft Linden: SVC-234, I've a strong hunch is a misunderstanding about how object counts work. [12:42] JT Linden is Offline [12:42] Squirrel Wood: Yes. He wanted to check it out last friday but the update of h4 and mono got in the way [12:42] Soft Linden: An agent/group that owns land gets to use the sum total of all their parcels' object budgets anywhere on the region. So revoking a parcel probably put them over their limit, forcing returns that way. [12:42] Squirrel Wood: so I hope to catch him on the beta grid today [12:42] JT Linden is Online [12:43] You: great squirrel [12:43] Soft Linden: I can make a note to that effect and ask for a repro if anyone else can make this happen [12:43] Squirrel Wood: 3. I reclaimed one of the parcels owned by someone else's group, and set autoreturn on it to 1 minute. 4. At least three of the ten other parcels owned by different individuals (none of these deeded to group) then immediately had their content returned. One other parcel was empty so it was impossible to determine if it had also been affected. [12:43] You: 234 reads like a word problem from 8th grade math [12:43] You: if you can make it more "usable" i bet that would help a lot Soft [12:43] Soft Linden: Will do [12:44] You: svc-266 [12:44] You: thanks soft [12:45] Blue Linden is Offline [12:45] Harleen Gretzky: 226 [12:45] You: whoops, thanks Harleen. I'm bouncing between machines [12:46] You: It seems to me that gigs is right here. anyone else? [12:47] Squirrel Wood: hmm [12:48] Squirrel Wood: I'm neither a sim nor a land owner so I can't really comment on this [12:48] You: soft? [12:49] You: hmm. I think we should take it in and discuss it internally [12:49] Soft Linden: This looks valid. [12:49] James Benedek is Offline [12:49] Soft Linden: The problem is that a parenthesis shouldn't be in a sim name. Since it is, we should escape those so you can tell the difference between the parenthesis in a name and a coordinate. [12:50] Soft Linden: Can import and go to triage - not sure exactly which studio it's best for. [12:50] Squirrel Wood: mayhaps add a spacer / separator for the coordinates ? [12:50] You: ok [12:50] Soft Linden: Well, escaping or encoding it is probably the right solution if we potentially go to unicode later [12:51] You: the next one svc-214 can go to havok [12:51] You: should go to sidewiner [12:51] Squirrel Wood: yep [12:52] You: erm sidewinder svc-156 is next [12:52] Squirrel Wood: sorting by date essentially triggers a reordering of the contents.... and thus the "reverse" dates in this case [12:52] Soft Linden: SVC-156 - sorting is even more screwed up than that. [12:53] Aric Linden nods [12:53] Guen Shan: indeed it is ^^ [12:53] Soft Linden: It's a strict lexicographical sort - so 1/1/08 comes "before" 2/1/07 [12:53] Guen Shan: yeah the dates go wrong too ^^ [12:53] Soft Linden: I'll add a comment on that too - but this could go in. [12:53] You: I'm not sure when this would ever be looked at but it's worth taking [12:53] Squirrel Wood: besides there's different date formats... mmddyyyy or ddmmyyyy [12:53] You: jinx [12:53] Soft Linden: Yeah. [12:53] Squirrel Wood: german language clients should use mmddyyyy [12:53] Squirrel Wood: as that is the common notation in germany [12:54] Squirrel Wood: err... ddmmyyyy [12:54] Guen Shan: ddmmyyyy ^^ [12:54] You: well, we could come up with a complicated mapping algorithm and then sort internally [12:54] Squirrel Wood is all cnfuzzled now :p [12:54] Colossus Linden is Online [12:54] You: we use yyyymmdd internally [12:54] Soft Linden: Should just sort the dates by value instead of as strings. [12:54] Soft Linden: Yeah, or moving to that date format would fix it too [12:55] You: so just build a mapping table and then sort internally and order date lists by our sort [12:55] Squirrel Wood: ^^ [12:55] Soft Linden: Edited it down to small priority though [12:56] Squirrel Wood still wants to see names on the friends list in different colors depending on when they last logged in... to make cleaning up the lsit easier.. [12:56] Neuro Linden is Online [12:56] Squirrel Wood should probably jira it... [12:56] Guen Shan: you could jira the whole friendlist ^^ [12:56] You: we'll take it and figure it out. misc-741 is next [12:56] Guen Shan: there could be a lot of improvement for the friendlist ^^ [12:57] Soft Linden: Squirrel - consider just asking for a date column that's click-sortable? Now that the friendlist is horizontal aspect, there's a ton of room anyway. [12:57] Bambers Linden is Offline [12:57] Soft Linden: MISC-741 isn't really just a kart problem. [12:57] Jeremy Linden is Online [12:57] You: yeah [12:57] Squirrel Wood: might do that. [12:57] You: but I can't tell if it's havok1 or havok4 [12:57] You: I'll talk to dan a bout this one [12:57] Soft Linden: We allow people to go 2-4m off-world assuming a steep drop off as the collision model between regions. [12:58] You: it should be taken in and assigned to me [12:58] Soft Linden: That's a havok1 problem, but 4 could perhaps fix it [12:58] Pastrami Linden is Online [12:58] You: I suspect dan is traking it to see if havok 4 fixes it [12:58] Harleen Gretzky: SVC-156 is actually a dupe, btw [12:58] Squirrel Wood: the script may check llGround() and compare it to its own z position... [12:58] Squirrel Wood: which would explain it not working on prim bridges that are more than 2m above ground [12:59] You: 411 should be taken in and assigned to Jeff Linden [12:59] Harleen Gretzky: dupe of VWR-4137 [12:59] Jeremy Linden is Offline [12:59] Soft Linden: 411 is interesting. And Buckaroo's no dummy. Yeah [12:59] Guen Shan: 411 doesn't have anything to do which html-search slowing down the viewer? [12:59] Guen Shan: *with [13:00] Bambers Linden is Online [13:00] Brad Linden is Online [13:00] Squirrel Wood: html search just might have that analytic stuff in too [13:00] Cogsworth Linden is Online [13:00] Guen Shan: i see [13:01] Guen Shan: when i click on search fps drop [13:01] You: web-409 should be taken in and assigned to Morpheus [13:01] Soft Linden: 409 looked like a support issue to me - I already left a comment - undo? [13:01] You: no that's fine [13:01] Glenn Linden is Online [13:01] Kelly Linden is Online [13:02] You: it may end up being a support issue, but I think Lux wants and needs to know how users are using billing stuff and what issues they see [13:02] Steve Linden is Online [13:02] You: yeah? [13:02] Simon Linden is Online [13:02] Soft Linden: Ah, gotcha! [13:02] Squirrel Wood: hmm.. getting reports in group chat that teleports are failing again [13:02] Soft Linden: Could still import, but leave it resolved as such externally. [13:02] Jeremy Linden is Online [13:02] You: thanks folks [13:03] You: hmm [13:03] You: let's see [13:03] Mark Linden is Online [13:03] Harleen Gretzky: money transactions as well [13:03] Soft Linden: Yeah - I see a concurrency dropoff - they ought to be jumping right on that [13:03] Zen Linden is Online [13:04] Soft Linden: Poof! [13:04] Soft Linden is Offline [13:04] Guen Shan: Soft, yeah i'm having issues with tp'ing the last few days too [13:04] Guen Shan: lots of tp's lead to a crash [13:04] Torrid Luna: oh, hi^^ [13:04] You: any pattern? [13:04] Squirrel Wood: not really [13:05] BigPapi Linden is Online [13:05] Guen Shan: it's quite random [13:05] Squirrel Wood: it is usually too late to abort a tp when it becomes obvious that it will fail [13:05] Guen Shan: i noticed it happens more often when tp'ing from a slow/full sim [13:05] Squirrel Wood: from / to [13:06] Neuro Linden is Offline [13:06] Cogsworth Linden is Offline [13:06] Neuro Linden is Online [13:06] You: interesting [13:06] Guen Shan: no specific locations [13:06] Guen Shan: it does it randomly [13:06] Zen Linden is Offline [13:07] Zen Linden is Online [13:07] Squirrel Wood: beta viewer loading................................................................ [13:07] Shaun Altman is Offline [13:07] Coco Linden is Offline [13:07] Squirrel Wood: /ao on [13:08] Squirrel Wood: POKE!!!!