Bug triage/2009-04-01/Transcript

[14:03] Bambers Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[14:03] Erinyse Planer: waves and warns everyone shes in a really really really bad mood
[14:03] Bambers Linden: there's the agenda...
[14:04] Morgaine Dinova: Only good moods allowed today, sorry
[14:04] Alexa Linden: +1
[14:04] Yann Dufaux: oh very cute av alexa :)
[14:04] Alexa Linden: thanks :)
[14:04] Squirrel Wood: Mind you, the agenda has only foolish issues on it today. To stay in tune with the date :p
[14:04] Alexander9 Carver: does main grid have gteam office hours?
[14:04] Gellan Glenelg: not atm
[14:04] Alexander9 Carver: o
[14:04] Erinyse Planer: not anymore
[14:05] Squirrel Wood: gteam should have received two new throwaway alt names a minute ago
[14:05] Erinyse Planer: gteam discontinued them to avoid having to face the lynch mobs
[14:05] Bambers Linden: I actually didn't plant anything, but I haven't had a chance to check them all
[14:05] Morgaine Dinova: Gteam office hours would need several sims dedicated to it :-(
[14:05] Alexa Linden: [1]
[14:05] Bambers Linden: are we sitting comfortably?
[14:05] Erinyse Planer: theres a few gteam members i feel sorry for... they suffer for the stupidity of the rest
[14:05] Morgaine Dinova: Lot of idiots in SL. I don't understand the mind of a griefer.
[14:06] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035
[14:06] Ellla McMahon: hello everyone :))
[14:06] Alexander9 Carver: well couldnt the gteam just build a huge office building?
[14:06] Alexa Linden: Hey Ellla
[14:06] Moon Metty: hi Ella :)
[14:06] Bambers Linden: Modify Permissions are not kept on Object when No Mod items are added.
[14:06] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035
[14:06] Moon Metty: was anyone able to repro this?
[14:07] Erinyse Planer: me consistantly
[14:07] Moon Metty: ahh
[14:07] Erinyse Planer: as well as several people in cola
[14:07] Bambers Linden: Moon - could you?
[14:07] Moon Metty: i tried it on my own, but the box itself didn't change permissions
[14:07] Alexa Linden: we need people that can duplicate it and post their steps
[14:07] Alexa Linden: I couldn't repro either
[14:08] Moon Metty: i did Cummere's repro 1
[14:08] Bambers Linden: Erinyse - could you add your repros to this bug if they're different to the ones already there?
[14:08] Erinyse Planer: read the last comment
[14:08] Bambers Linden: (unless you did Moon's too)
[14:09] Bambers Linden: :)
[14:09] Alexa Linden: on 1.22.11?
[14:09] Moon Metty: i used 1.22.11
[14:09] Alexander9 Carver: bambers are u apart of the gteam?
[14:09] Bambers Linden: no, I'm not - this is for bug triage
[14:10] Yann Dufaux: Moon, i can test with you if you need! :)
[14:10] Moon Metty: sure Yann
[14:10] Erinyse Planer: alexander if you need gteam file an abuse report. if youre lucky you -might- get a response...
[14:10] Squirrel Wood: hmm... if the gteam removes a griefer from the db... why aren't the griefers object auto-purged as well?
[14:10] Moon Metty: oh it's no build here
[14:10] Morgaine Dinova: I've had to stop using 1.22.11, as the hangs are so disastrous and frequent. Guess I'd better check there's a Jira, and make one if not.
[14:11] Bambers Linden: yes please Morgaine
[14:11] Morgaine Dinova: nods
[14:11] Bambers Linden: ok, order order, etc
[14:11] Erinyse Planer: if someone gives me build perms here ill bring in cummere right now and demonstrate
[14:11] Yann Dufaux: well, moon in next beta grid test?:))
[14:11] Bambers Linden: don't make my bottom lip wobble, please. Let's try to stick to the triage list.
[14:11] Erinyse Planer: but as i put in the last comment becuase it affects only certain accounts im convinced its server side
[14:11] Bambers Linden: What are we doing with https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12035?
[14:12] Alexa Linden: mark with last triaged date and wait for more info?
[14:12] Squirrel Wood: nmi, yes
[14:12] Alexa Linden: k
[14:12] Erinyse Planer: i'd really like it looked into
[14:12] Morgaine Dinova: Bambers: you've heard of herding cats I assume ^_^
[14:12] Erinyse Planer: its been sitting there for ages
[14:12] Erinyse Planer: and not gone away
[14:12] Squirrel Wood: If you have a consistent repro.. post it. video repro all the better
[14:12] Erinyse Planer: squirell i psoted three
[14:12] Bambers Linden: yeah, I think nmi
[14:12] Alexa Linden: +1 Squirrel
[14:13] Erinyse Planer: not one but three
[14:13] Alexa Linden: you said people in CoLA hace this
[14:13] Alexa Linden: have*
[14:13] Erinyse Planer: yes some do
[14:13] Bambers Linden: but Erinyse is right - if it's found to repro in 1.22.11 we should drag it in
[14:13] Alexa Linden: have them post their experience
[14:13] Bambers Linden: checks once more for versions)
[14:13] Erinyse Planer: i dont go there anymore alexa but ill ask around the few i still tlak to
[14:13] Alexa Linden: so we can possibly see a pattern
[14:13] Alexa Linden: thanks
[14:14] Gellan Glenelg: can you post server version too - in case it is SVC?
[14:14] Erinyse Planer: but i can tell you erin and cummere are affected but my otome alt isnt
[14:14] Alexa Linden: same region on all?
[14:14] Erinyse Planer: all regions
[14:14] Moon Metty: do they share edit rights?
[14:14] Alexa Linden: a pattern of locations?
[14:14] Erinyse Planer: yeah pattern is every sim ive tried with build rights
[14:15] Erinyse Planer: its by account not viewer or server version
[14:15] Alexa Linden: build is on for those that want to test
[14:15] Alexa Linden: but in the mean time we can go to the next issue
[14:16] Bambers Linden: thank you alexa
[14:16] Alexa Linden: np :)
[14:16] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
[14:16] Erinyse Planer: i still dont have build working for me
[14:16] Alexa Linden: moon was able to build
[14:16] Erinyse Planer: tires the back door aproach
[14:17] Erinyse Planer: ok jsut my build button still greyed
[14:17] Bambers Linden: next up
[14:17] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11618
[14:17] Bambers Linden: SL Viewer hanging with multiple Video Cards
[14:17] Nicholas Hawthorne: got it to work
[14:17] Bambers Linden: hates vid card bugs
[14:18] Erinyse Planer: still repoing for me *Shrugs and gives up*
[14:19] Nicholas Hawthorne: snickers
[14:19] Squirrel Wood: can't repro :p
[14:19] Gellan Glenelg: NMI on this one? ask for crash report?
[14:19] Squirrel Wood: one videocard, one monitor, no problem
[14:19] Bambers Linden: +1
[14:19] Alexa Linden: agreed
[14:20] Squirrel Wood: driver updates?
[14:20] Bambers Linden: also driver version?
[14:20] Alexa Linden: that too
[14:20] Gellan Glenelg: 2.1.2 doesn't sound up to date
[14:20] Squirrel Wood: including chipset drivers and such ?
[14:20] Bambers Linden: d'oh - beat me to it, Squirrel
[14:20] Gellan Glenelg: ella?
[14:20] Bambers Linden: nuts
[14:20] Gellan Glenelg: ella*
[14:21] Bambers Linden: are we ready for the next one?
[14:21] Alexa Linden: yup
[14:21] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11212
[14:21] Moon Metty: yes
[14:21] Bambers Linden: Viewer 1.22.4 (RC4) crashes when flycamming around in a new sim
[14:21] Alexa Linden: 1.22.4
[14:21] Squirrel Wood: I'd ask if its still happening
[14:21] Alexa Linden: yup
[14:21] Squirrel Wood: with current viewer
[14:21] Bambers Linden: yup - also there's been some flycam work going on recently too
[14:22] Alexa Linden: read my minde ;)
[14:22] Alexa Linden: mind* even
[14:22] Morgaine Dinova: What's the definition of a "new" sim?
[14:22] Squirrel Wood: empty sim ?
[14:22] Moon Metty: an uncached sim
[14:22] Morgaine Dinova: First visit, or just purchased?
[14:22] Alexa Linden: fresh out of the dryer?
[14:22] Squirrel Wood: class 6 sim ?
[14:22] Erinyse Planer: i think they mean any sim you tp into
[14:23] Roxelana Laval: accepted your inventory offer.
[14:23] Morgaine Dinova: So first visit?
[14:23] Gellan Glenelg: I think they mean any region you haven't previous visited / cached textures
[14:23] Bambers Linden: could be, could be
[14:24] Bambers Linden: (and of course the problem with "could be" is that we assume
[14:24] Bambers Linden: )
[14:24] Erinyse Planer: new regime(sim) that has not been visited or the cache has been cleared out,
[14:24] Erinyse Planer: taen RIGHT fromt he description
[14:24] Erinyse Planer: so any uncahced sim
[14:24] Yann Dufaux: well, have noticed on little sequance of red map, if i stay on region with too many sculpted prims
[14:24] Morgaine Dinova: Should repro every time you delete your whole cache directory then.
[14:24] Yann Dufaux: and the sculpted prims textures is to long for loading with my nvidia
[14:24] Erinyse Planer: doesnt flycam period so cant even try to repo
[14:25] Gellan Glenelg: still, no comments saying "can repro" since last year, so NMI / still a problem?
[14:25] Alexa Linden: yup
[14:25] Moon Metty: yes
[14:25] Yann Dufaux: i can't reprod this flying cam, because have the space and its not sam controle:)
[14:25] Yann Dufaux: same*
[14:26] Erinyse Planer: probably should buy a joystick and start tryign to repo the flycam bugs
[14:26] Bambers Linden: final decision time for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11212
[14:26] Squirrel Wood: nmi?
[14:26] Alexa Linden: nmi
[14:26] Erinyse Planer: nmi
[14:26] Bambers Linden: done
[14:27] Bambers Linden: next up:
[14:27] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11358
[14:27] Bambers Linden: Mac version of viewer very slow updating AV appearance
[14:27] Yann Dufaux: helo Saij, how are you to day?:))
[14:27] Bambers Linden: still nmi for this one
[14:28] Alexa Linden: bamber's have you refreshed your agenda?
[14:28] Bambers Linden: but from the date I think it's before we added a bunch of texture fixes?
[14:28] Alexa Linden: since you did it
[14:28] Moon Metty: yes, i don't see this one on the agenda
[14:28] Bambers Linden: lol
[14:28] Bambers Linden: well I'm glad you all told me. Thanks.
[14:28] Bambers Linden: :P
[14:28] Alexa Linden: :)
[14:28] Moon Metty: but it sounds like assetserver slowness
[14:29] Bambers Linden: or Bambers Linden slowness
[14:29] Alexa Linden: I have https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11401 next
[14:29] Moon Metty: hahaha
[14:29] Bambers Linden: (not unheard of)
[14:29] Bambers Linden: mis-clicking on an item with rapidly changing textures
[14:29] Yann Dufaux: gave you Snapshot : Linden Village - Bambers Linden, Denby (79, 80, 351).
[14:29] Erinyse Planer: i hate to say it but i think thats not a viewer or server bug
[14:30] Erinyse Planer: but a bug in the pc itself
[14:30] Alexa Linden: Ramzi wasn't able to repro
[14:30] Erinyse Planer: i can but only on one computer...
[14:30] Erinyse Planer: and only when that computer is pretty busy
[14:31] Morgaine Dinova: So this is a picking bug, allegedly? What you appear to pick isn't selected right?
[14:31] Gellan Glenelg: NMI? since it's RC5
[14:31] Bambers Linden: does your computer have any similaroty to Wolfpup's?
[14:31] Alexa Linden: I'd agree Gellan
[14:31] Moon Metty: yes more information
[14:31] Bambers Linden: yup yup
[14:31] Alexa Linden: k
[14:31] Erinyse Planer: meaning is it an older computer? yes
[14:31] Bambers Linden: could be picking, but may be fixed
[14:31] Moon Metty: there haven't been more comments
[14:31] Yann Dufaux: wb Saijanai :)
[14:32] Erinyse Planer: with an older pentium processor and a single gig ram
[14:32] Yann Dufaux: crap, he have difficulty lol
[14:32] Morgaine Dinova: An aside, in case anyone is interested: picking in SL is generally problematic because there isn't a TARGET field in the viewer, that says what you clicked on. There should be one --- plenty of room in top toolbar.
[14:32] Squirrel Wood: What I see happen sometimes is floating text of an object a variable distance behind my camera being rendered on screen
[14:33] Squirrel Wood: could that be related ?
[14:33] Alexa Linden: on to the next one?
[14:33] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11491
[14:33] Erinyse Planer: commented on the last one
[14:33] Alexa Linden: nmi - latest RC?
[14:33] Bambers Linden: Editing appearance or changing clothing causes streaming audio to stutter
[14:33] Gellan Glenelg: +1 alexa
[14:33] Bambers Linden: yeah
[14:33] Alexa Linden: weeee
[14:34] Yann Dufaux: uh?
[14:34] Bambers Linden: next
[14:34] Alexa Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11934
[14:34] Garn Conover: ok thats cute 'Lexa :)
[14:34] Gellan Glenelg: Kirstens Viewer 1.16.3 !!!!
[14:34] Bambers Linden: Chat/IM History Opens Scrolled Up and Not Scrolling
[14:34] Squirrel Wood: changing clothing triggers texture bake. If they have slow upload it may cause stuttering for streams
[14:34] Bambers Linden: 1.16.3 (90)?
[14:35] Alexa Linden: NMI - latest rc?
[14:35] Alexa Linden: lol
[14:35] Morgaine Dinova: Tons of fault with IM window scrolling. That's best simply redesigned from scratch.
[14:35] Gellan Glenelg: NMI - try a LL viewer
[14:35] Alexa Linden: that too
[14:35] Bambers Linden: yeah - out of scope
[14:35] Moon Metty: yes, there are problems with scrolling
[14:35] Squirrel Wood: there was a time when those windows would not scroll properly. its fixed now though
[14:35] Moon Metty: i guess i got used to them
[14:35] Bambers Linden: yeah
[14:35] Bambers Linden: I have seen on occasion that scrolling stops for some reason
[14:35] Moon Metty: ok
[14:35] Moon Metty: :)
[14:36] Yann Dufaux: loll, i wait for a new pn release :)
[14:36] Bambers Linden: there may be an edge case but I haven't seen it often
[14:36] Erinyse Planer: well though like she siad even the ll ones will keep scrolling when youre trying to scroll up and c/p stuff
[14:36] Bambers Linden: :)
[14:36] Erinyse Planer: but yeah this is not a ll viewer thus not supported
[14:36] Yann Dufaux: netx is 1,23? :p
[14:36] Alexa Linden: ya, I think we have the LL RC scroll issue already
[14:36] Morgaine Dinova: LOL, nobody can be "used" to the first click on a URL raising the browser, and the first click missing because it causes the window to reset. That's beyond bizarre :P
[14:36] Bambers Linden: Erinyse: As I recall that should only happen if your focus is on the text entry field
[14:36] Morgaine Dinova: 2nd click missing
[14:37] Alexa Linden: next up?
[14:37] Bambers Linden: 2nd click missing? You mean it's mac only?
[14:37] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11716
[14:37] Bambers Linden: Viewer will truncate letters when typing into Chat or fields using AutoHotKey
[14:37] Alexa Linden: hmmm
[14:38] Morgaine Dinova: Nah, 2nd click in an up-scrolled window always misses the URL you clicked on in the first click because the change of focus to the browser results in a window reset on the second click. It's just broken, lol
[14:38] Morgaine Dinova: I should write Jiras, lol
[14:39] Erinyse Planer: import this one...
[14:39] Squirrel Wood: import for export :p
[14:40] Alexa Linden: lol
[14:40] Erinyse Planer: and yeah waht morgaine is talking about also cuases c/p from the upscrolled windows to be a nightmare as well
[14:40] Moon Metty: most import comes from abroad
[14:42] Bambers Linden: where does this leave us?
[14:42] Alexa Linden: hungry :\
[14:42] Erinyse Planer: impot the hotkey issue please
[14:42] Erinyse Planer: *import
[14:42] Morgaine Dinova: Not sure there's a good Jira about general IM window problems, unfortunately, as it's more design than bug. Most people just seem to accept the bizarre as "Well that's SL". :-)
[14:43] Gellan Glenelg: import for QA to try to repro? or NMI / still a problem?
[14:43] Alexa Linden: good point
[14:43] Alexa Linden: I'd go NMI get updated info
[14:43] Alexa Linden: no votes
[14:43] Erinyse Planer: ild go with import. as i jsut repoed it
[14:43] Erinyse Planer: :P
[14:44] Bambers Linden: add your repro, Erinyse?
[14:44] Bambers Linden: (so we have one a little clearer than 1. it seems..)
[14:45] Alexa Linden: marking nmi
[14:45] Bambers Linden: ok
[14:45] Bambers Linden: next up
[14:45] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12030
[14:46] Bambers Linden: mac-updater fails
[14:46] Alexa Linden: 1.22.8
[14:46] Gellan Glenelg: still a problem?
[14:46] Erinyse Planer: um i repoed it pretty much how they said. only i plugged in soemthing differatn for 6no then they had :-/
[14:46] Alexa Linden: yup
[14:46] Alexa Linden: nmi
[14:48] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12033
[14:48] Bambers Linden: Non-Windlight Fog and alpha textures on 1.22
[14:49] Gellan Glenelg: I suspect the "fog" is made of alpha textures/particles.. so this is the old "z-figting" issue
[14:49] Moon Metty: yes Gellan
[14:49] Alexa Linden: fog or clouds?
[14:50] Alexa Linden: eeehhh fogs
[14:50] Alexa Linden: I can see the outlines
[14:50] Moon Metty: both, i guess Alexa
[14:50] Alexa Linden: I agree with Gellan's comment
[14:51] Bambers Linden: does that make it a dupe?
[14:51] Gellan Glenelg: related, at least
[14:51] Gellan Glenelg: to an "unsolvable" problem
[14:51] Moon Metty: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27
[14:52] Moon Metty: Prim textures overlap strangely when transparent textures applied
[14:52] Alexa Linden: 27
[14:52] Alexa Linden: ouch
[14:52] Morgaine Dinova: lol, 27?
[14:52] Alexa Linden: that's oooold
[14:52] Moon Metty: it will grow much older!
[14:52] Gellan Glenelg: but it's resolved/expected, because it CAN'T be solved
[14:52] Alexa Linden: jan 2007 was only 27??
[14:53] Alexa Linden: right
[14:53] Squirrel Wood: won't fix ? alpha sorting issue ?
[14:53] Alexa Linden: I'd areee with that
[14:53] Alexa Linden: agree*
[14:53] Gellan Glenelg: I think so, squirrel
[14:53] Squirrel Wood: /
[14:53] Bambers Linden: hmmm, probably
[14:53] Squirrel Wood: If you can do the math we'll have it fixed immediately.
[14:53] Moon Metty: it will be fixed with realtime raytracing
[14:54] Aimee Trescothick: I can do the maths, but only if you give me a week or two for each frame
[14:54] Alexa Linden: lol
[14:54] Gellan Glenelg: lol
[14:54] Erinyse Planer: hahaha
[14:54] Moon Metty: :)
[14:54] Aimee Trescothick: I've done the maths in excel before now :D
[14:55] Moon Metty: clever
[14:55] Bambers Linden: next?
[14:55] Bambers Linden: Or did we not decide quite yet
[14:56] Bambers Linden: we can skip https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12008 - it's a PN Linux bug. Any objections?
[14:56] Bambers Linden: 3
[14:56] Bambers Linden: 2
[14:56] Moon Metty: no objection
[14:56] Bambers Linden: 1
[14:56] Bambers Linden: next
[14:56] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12190
[14:56] Morgaine Dinova: What's "PN"?
[14:56] Squirrel Wood: objection for the sake of it :p
[14:56] Bambers Linden: Confirmation twice when revoking modify rights on sorted list
[14:56] Morgaine Dinova: Oh, a distro
[14:56] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[14:56] Bambers Linden: Morgaine: Public Nightly
[14:56] Morgaine Dinova: Ah, kk
[14:57] Moon Metty: ohh i've seen this, the doublr confirmation
[14:57] Alexa Linden: Are you really sure????
[14:57] Bambers Linden: aaah - a Persistent Waiter bug
[14:57] Erinyse Planer: public nightly viewer but at this point its either fixed or not. and asusming bsi channels been quiet... im assuming fixed >.>
[14:57] Gellan Glenelg: this repros
[14:57] Bambers Linden: import this
[14:57] Erinyse Planer: and yes this repos still
[14:57] Gellan Glenelg: on 1.22.11
[14:57] Alexa Linden: ok
[14:58] Alexa Linden: 3 windows for me
[14:58] Moon Metty: it was at the same time as this was posted
[14:58] Bambers Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11349
[14:58] Bambers Linden: Ctrl+Alt+F1 not working, then hiding UI from Adv. Menu Crashes viewer
[14:58] Alexa Linden: I can have your library? was that it?
[14:58] Moon Metty: but now it is a single window, at least for me
[14:58] Bambers Linden: best make this the last one, especially if anyone reproing crashes
[14:59] Alexa Linden: still here
[14:59] Alexa Linden: and again
[14:59] Alexa Linden: 8 times and here
[14:59] Moon Metty: i'm still here :)
[14:59] Bambers Linden: ditto
[14:59] Gellan Glenelg: does not repro for me, on 1.22.11
[14:59] Alexa Linden: can't repro
[15:00] Moon Metty: i don't know if you can see my hair, but i'm here

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