Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-05-04

13:30	Yuzuru	Hello Oz.
	oobscure	hi everybody
	Yuzuru	Hello
	Office Orb	mail_to set to oz@lindenlab.com
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	oobscure	there were new web boxes in the login screen
13:31		new to me at least.
	Oz Linden	No new OPEN issues to look at today, so I have a topic:
13:32		Do you use DebugOS builds on Windows? (as opposed to RelWithDebInfoOS)
	caps router chum	I made it, weee
	teddy Zepp	hello all
13:33	caps router chum	stabs caps router
	Oz Linden	let me put it another way: suppose we were to remove Debug builds ... would you care?
13:34		no one?
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I use it on Linux
	Oz Linden	sleepy crowd
	teddy Zepp	;_0
		;-)
	Techwolf Lupindo	My OS build setup handles debugging builds. I run under gdb and portage does split-debug.
	caps router chum	You only asked about 3 seconds ago >.>
	Yuzuru	Sorry.. I am thinking about it..
	caps router chum	I've only used debug once, it was only slightly useful in that case
	Oz Linden	was longer than that for me.... must have been lagged
13:35	caps router chum	slightly more usefull* than RelWithDebInfo
	Yuzuru	If I can compile it, I don't need debug build.
	Techwolf Lupindo	I _think_ LL Debug setting only does a couple things to the code?
	Oz Linden	I ask because they don't work on the mesh branch, which I'm attempting to merge now
13:36	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	define "don't work"?
	caps router chum	Ah.
		Dependenacy or code problems?
	Techwolf Lupindo	Perhaps we can give you a better answer Oz if we knew just what DebInfo does.
13:37	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Main difference between RelWithDebInfo and Debug is that the former is optimized, I think.
	Oz Linden	They are using tcmalloc to deal with some alignment issues for SSE support, but it breaks the MS heap debugger
13:38		I actually don't know what the difference is specifically
	oobscure	personally I don't need it. I only build to provide feedback to LL, so if LL doesn't need user Debug builds it's fine for me.
	caps router chum	I think RelWithDebInfo uses the release libs but without optomizations and generates the debug symbols
	Oz Linden	personally I am not in habit of ever using debuggers (life as a real time networking dev)
		I use external observation and logging
13:39	Techwolf Lupindo	There is a couple #if defines that on debug, crash while Release will warning log and continue.
13:40	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	does RelWithDebInfo execute llassert()s or only llalwaysassert()? I know Release doesn't execute llasert()s.
	caps router chum	I think it does
	Oz Linden	don't know, but that should be easy to figure out
	Techwolf Lupindo	On linux, all debugging symbles are gen at compile with a gcc flag and those symbles can be stripped at the end and end up wiht a bin just like the gcc debug wasn't there. Hence why split-debug works. The bin is stripped and debugging is in a seperate file.
13:41	caps router chum	There's bugs I'm hit were you'd only generate an error on RelWithDebInfo
		I'd*
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ok
13:42		Then Debug probably isn't too important. There should just be some way to test whether non-realease assertions are hit, and with RelWithDebInfo that's available, then.
		But if you want more feedback, better ask on the mailing list. I suspect there aren't many windows based devs here, today.
13:43	Oz Linden	I'll do that
13:44		very likely, I'll check in the mesh merge, which will break it, and then we'll figure out what to do about it after
	Techwolf Lupindo	I would also help to clearify just what is the differences are to begine with, so that would be a good secondary question for the list.
13:45		After that mesh merge, going to play with it and see if one huge patch can be generated of just the mesh stuff.
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	what for, Techwolf?
	Oz Linden	well, it's around 2100 changesets....
13:46	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I doubt that hube patch would apply to anything but exactly what it was made for.
		*huge
	Techwolf Lupindo	Looking at single changeset does'nt give you the idea of what all was changed.
	Oz Linden	you certainly have an interesting way to entertain yourself....
13:47	caps router chum	Is it possible to build the mesh viewer under OS config? I'm assuming that the missing convex lib isn't a blocker to build.
	Techwolf Lupindo	hehehe
	Oz Linden	there is a stub version of the lib available on bitbucket
13:48		you'll have to build that locally and substitute the package into the autobuild configuration file
		which is something we need to make easier....
13:49	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Different topic: Can EXP-749 be made publicly visible, please? VWR-25595 was closed as a duplicate of it.
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25595 VWR-25595 Profile Icons (group, user) and other art missing or defaulting to generic
13:51	Oz Linden	it should be visible
		https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/EXP-749
	caps router chum	Ah.
	Oz Linden	it's set to be visible, anyway
	caps router chum	Not for me
	oobscure	VWR-25477 - same problem
	Techwolf Lupindo	Permission Violation
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I get "Permission Violation" on that, (like on most exp issues)
	Oz Linden	are you logged in to jira?
13:52	caps router chum	Yes.
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	yes
	Oz Linden	hmmm....
	Techwolf Lupindo	I'me logged in
	Yuzuru	I am login but I can't see EXP-749
	Ima Mechanique	same here for "Permission Violation"
13:53	Yuzuru	Permission Violation, same
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	VWR-25477 is actually a even worser case, as that was moved to EXP-752, so even the originally public issue isn't visible anymore.
	Oz Linden	I'll see what I can do... I'll have to file an issue against jira
13:54	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	Thanks.
	caps router chum	Lol.
	Oz Linden	if it's any comfort, both those issues are marked as fixed
	caps router chum	Is there an issue on the openID problems with jira killing open tabs?
	Oz Linden	but may not have been merged yet, I don't know
13:55		I don't know what you're referring to, caps
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	I think the fixes are both in viewer-development, now
13:56	Office Orb	End transcription
	caps router chum	When resuming a session in firefox and the openID auth redirects all open jira tabs to the dashboard.
		I found the caps issue jira, SVC-6917
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6917 SVC-6917 Apache2-worker/caps router on sim hosts is relaying 499 HTTP status codes back to clients - not a valid wire status code
	Oz Linden	oh... I don't know if there's an issue for that or not
		if there is, it would be in WEB
	বরুনদাশ গুপ্তে	ah, yeah, jira doesn't seem to be very RESTful :-P
	caps router chum	I couldnt find one WEB-2771 Following a direct link to a JIRA issues shows the system dashboard instead on the first try STORM-1178 Develop tests for GPU table changes