User:Enkidu Linden/Office Hours/2010-08-12

List of Attendees

• AndrewAizu Stromfield
• BAFANA Beaumont
• Enkidu Linden
• Evelle Jarvinen
• Latif Khalifa
• redouan Voir

Transcript

[10:57]		entered a region using a different server version, which may affect performance. View the release notes.
[11:01]	Enkidu Linden:	hey latif!
[11:01]	Latif Khalifa:	hey Enkidu :)
[11:01]	Enkidu Linden:	just making a sandwich here
[11:01]	Latif Khalifa:	hehe
[11:01]		Khalifa cooking dinner too xD
[11:02]	Enkidu Linden:	what tz are you in? +6
[11:02]	Enkidu Linden:	er, ?
[11:02]	Latif Khalifa:	its 8pm here (+2)
[11:02]	Latif Khalifa:	denmark
[11:03]	Enkidu Linden:	nice. i completely california-centrized that
[11:03]	Latif Khalifa:	hehehe
[11:03]	Latif Khalifa:	UTC is *not* PST ;)
[11:03]	Enkidu Linden:	i am ashamed!
[11:03]	Latif Khalifa:	even though sometimes it seems taht way in the tech world xD
[11:07]	Enkidu Linden:	ok, i'm suitably armed
[11:08]	Enkidu Linden:	i bet denmark is a neat place to live
[11:09]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah it is :)
[11:09]	Latif Khalifa:	most of the time
[11:09]	Latif Khalifa:	how did the web team survive the restructuring, was it hit hard?
[11:09]	Enkidu Linden:	i think we did about average
[11:10]	Enkidu Linden:	by my mental head count, 30% seems correct
[11:10]	Latif Khalifa:	must be difficult times... uncertanty, what projects continue, which gets cancelled
[11:10]		Khalifa been working for a company that went through that sort of thing
[11:10]	Latif Khalifa:	wasn't a fun place for a while :)
[11:11]	Enkidu Linden:	actually that sort of thing doesn't bother me too much. it's the downsizing that is painful
[11:11]	Enkidu Linden:	we lose a lot of resources, but also great people
[11:11]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah that part is difficult
[11:12]	Latif Khalifa:	and i know every company says docummentation is important, its never complete
[11:12]	Latif Khalifa:	:)
[11:12]	Latif Khalifa:	so you lose the knowelege as well
[11:12]	Enkidu Linden:	ha yeah
[11:13]	Enkidu Linden:	documentation is a whole nother subject
[11:13]	Latif Khalifa:	hehehe
[11:13]	Latif Khalifa:	i have been working in development for 20 years, i know all about it :)
[11:13]	Enkidu Linden:	whew, i thought maybe i'd have to talk about it
[11:13]	Latif Khalifa:	what are you working on now? were you involved in developing the new marketplace
[11:14]	Enkidu Linden:	i got moved into a group called uh
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	enagement, content, commerce
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	i think
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	i never remember one of them
[11:15]	Latif Khalifa:	hehe, fancy name!
[11:16]	Enkidu Linden:	i was not involved in the new marketplace
[11:16]	Enkidu Linden:	is it nice?
[11:16]	Latif Khalifa:	looks nice, still a lot of links go to "this feature coming soon2
[11:17]	Enkidu Linden:	interestingly, i know a lot more about how that team works than what they're working on
[11:17]	Latif Khalifa:	hehe
[11:17]	Latif Khalifa:	looks ok so far
[11:18]	Latif Khalifa:	i always wondered why LL's google applience thingie was so slow. too few servers to run it on?
[11:18]	Enkidu Linden:	that could be. i've heard search takes a real beating
[11:18]	Latif Khalifa:	yes it does
[11:19]	Latif Khalifa:	but the old fashion search from mysql backed in 1.23 is couple of orders of magnitute faster
[11:20]	Latif Khalifa:	so what sort of stuff are you working on?
[11:20]	Enkidu Linden:	that's surprising to hear since they're google appliances but i can ask around about it
[11:20]	Enkidu Linden:	could just be the load
[11:20]	Latif Khalifa:	no need to ask around, was just wondering if you knew
[11:21]	Enkidu Linden:	well, sometimes you ask better questions
[11:21]	Enkidu Linden:	and now i want to know the answer
[11:21]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm still working on web stuff. a lot of python and django lately
[11:21]	Latif Khalifa:	hehe
[11:22]	Latif Khalifa:	so no more php love in the lab xD
[11:22]	Latif Khalifa:	poor php never gets love ;)
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	i still have a soft spot for it
[11:22]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah me to, i love php
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	but actually if i were designing an app from the ground up i'd probably use mod_wsgi and python
[11:23]	Enkidu Linden:	no django
[11:23]	Latif Khalifa:	and i'm partial to it... i wrote parts of php xD
[11:23]	Enkidu Linden:	no kidding!
[11:23]	Enkidu Linden:	which parts?
[11:24]	Latif Khalifa:	well I added php-cli the command line version that allowed people to run crontab scripts, etc. from the same code base they run on the web
[11:24]	Evelle Jarvinen:	hello
[11:24]	Enkidu Linden:	hi there
[11:24]	Evelle Jarvinen:	ppl
[11:24]	Evelle Jarvinen:	i have a question
[11:24]	Latif Khalifa:	hi Evelle
[11:25]	Evelle Jarvinen:	can i ask?
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	that's awesome, latif. i use that all the time
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	of course, evelle. i will attempt to answer, if i can
[11:25]	Evelle Jarvinen:	i deleted something from my inventory my mistake. it costed me a lot of money. is it possible to have it back?
[11:26]	Latif Khalifa:	it should be in your Trash folder, if you didn't empty it
[11:26]	Evelle Jarvinen:	i did
[11:26]	Latif Khalifa:	then it's gone :(
[11:26]	Enkidu Linden:	i think you might be out of luck then
[11:26]	Evelle Jarvinen:	i wrote tickets to LL few times but nobody
[11:26]	Evelle Jarvinen:	answered
[11:26]	BAFANA Beaumont:	gtreetings everyone
[11:27]	BAFANA Beaumont:	Greetings
[11:27]	Latif Khalifa:	hey bafana
[11:27]	Enkidu Linden:	sorry, evelle
[11:27]	BAFANA Beaumont:	Hey latif
[11:27]	Enkidu Linden:	hi bafana
[11:27]	Evelle Jarvinen:	is it possible for LL to find it ?
[11:27]	Latif Khalifa:	Evelle, no they cannot find it if you empty the trash :(
[11:28]	Evelle Jarvinen:	my friend had the same problem and they helped her
[11:28]	Enkidu Linden:	evelle: it seems unlikely but someone in support would know better
[11:28]	Evelle Jarvinen:	i know they know better
[11:28]	:	Your region will restart in 5 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[11:28]	Latif Khalifa:	heh, havok7 is going to kill us :P
[11:28]	Enkidu Linden:	omg
[11:29]	Evelle Jarvinen:	anyway, thank you for help
[11:29]	Enkidu Linden:	sorry i couldn't be more helpful
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	so, php
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	we still have quite a lot of it
[11:30]	Latif Khalifa:	you are running over my code every day hahaha
[11:30]	:	Your region will restart in 3 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm sure we are!
[11:31]	Latif Khalifa:	i also wrote bits of APC cache, don't know if you use that?
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	we have a number of things that run via cron using php-cli
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	so, when the region restarts, i'll come back for the rest of the hour
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	we do use it in some places
[11:31]	Latif Khalifa:	:)
[11:32]	Enkidu Linden:	i've written some stuff around apc too
[11:32]	Latif Khalifa:	storing vars in it, basically using at as memcached?
[11:32]	:	Your region will restart in 1 minutes and 0 seconds for maintenance.
[11:32]	Enkidu Linden:	yep!
[11:32]	Latif Khalifa:	time to run xD
[11:33]	Enkidu Linden:	you've heard of Cache_Lite?
[11:33]	Enkidu Linden:	ah, yes. be back shortly, i hope!
[11:33]	:	Your region will restart in 0 minutes and 30 seconds for maintenance.
[11:33]		entered a region using a different server version, which may affect performance. View the release notes.
[11:39]	Latif Khalifa:	survived :)
[11:39]	Enkidu Linden:	that seems to happen to me a lot
[11:39]	Latif Khalifa:	heheh
[11:40]	Enkidu Linden:	i'll have to think up some revenge
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	at any rate, we had some old code using that crusty of pear lib Cache_Lite to cache data to disk
[11:41]	Latif Khalifa:	you must have told something bad to the server folks :)
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	i got it into apc instead
[11:41]	Latif Khalifa:	cool
[11:41]	Latif Khalifa:	it performs much better that way
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	it's good stuff. nice work!
[11:41]	Latif Khalifa:	thanks :)
[11:42]	Latif Khalifa:	i was playing with django some, way to compliated and over engineered for my taste :)
[11:42]	Enkidu Linden:	i agree generally
[11:42]	Latif Khalifa:	wanted to take advantage of free hosting at google app engine
[11:43]	AndrewAizu Stromfield:	ey
[11:43]	Enkidu Linden:	hi andrewaizu
[11:43]	Latif Khalifa:	hi
[11:44]	AndrewAizu Stromfield:	wat u doin
[11:44]	Enkidu Linden:	but google appengine doesn't support django's orm, i heard
[11:44]	Latif Khalifa:	nope, app engine is very limited in what it supports
[11:44]	Latif Khalifa:	no native xml libs either
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	i've never used the orm anyway, but still
[11:45]	Latif Khalifa:	i was trying to port some stuff that uses DOM and xpath from php and found that it is not supported in teh app engine version
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	i should write something in appengine and see if i like the fit
[11:45]	Latif Khalifa:	they don't include any python module with c lib, so no libxml2 stuff
[11:45]	Latif Khalifa:	and i really needed xpath queries
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	ouch
[11:45]	Latif Khalifa:	so i gave back and came back to php :)
[11:46]	Latif Khalifa:	haha
[11:47]	Enkidu Linden:	so i'm curious what you think of http-in
[11:47]	Latif Khalifa:	i think it's great, run a few services that depend on it
[11:48]	Enkidu Linden:	like what?
[11:48]	Latif Khalifa:	i also made a public service for SL scripters to get around the fact that the url changes
[11:48]	Latif Khalifa:	http://gridurl.appspot.com/
[11:48]	Latif Khalifa:	for example I have this megaprim search engien
[11:48]	Enkidu Linden:	ah right. i already knew about gridurl
[11:49]	Enkidu Linden:	i found it while searching around for http-in info
[11:49]	Latif Khalifa:	aha :)
[11:49]	Latif Khalifa:	you will need to click on that hud to login to prim search
[11:49]	Enkidu Linden:	but then i found the twitter oauth lib and got distracted
[11:49]	Latif Khalifa:	http://prims.streamgrid.net/
[11:50]	Latif Khalifa:	basically you click on search, set desired size of prim you want
[11:50]	Latif Khalifa:	when you click on it, it uses http-in to a "server" here in SL
[11:50]	Latif Khalifa:	and that sends you the prim
[11:50]	Latif Khalifa:	sort of like Xstreet
[11:51]	Latif Khalifa:	(except it's free) hehe
[11:51]	Enkidu Linden:	cool!
[11:51]	redouan Voir:	hey
[11:51]	Enkidu Linden:	hi redouan
[11:52]	redouan Voir:	hey enkidu
[11:52]	Latif Khalifa:	i've made a lot of services for SL users lol
[11:52]	redouan Voir:	hey latif
[11:52]	Latif Khalifa:	hey redouan
[11:52]	redouan Voir:	your name seems arabic
[11:52]	redouan Voir:	where ar u from
[11:52]	Latif Khalifa:	the name is arabic, i am not :)
[11:52]	Latif Khalifa:	i'm from denmark
[11:53]	redouan Voir:	latif means kind
[11:53]	redouan Voir:	nice to meet u
[11:53]	redouan Voir:	im from morocco
[11:53]	Latif Khalifa:	nice to meet you too
[11:53]	Latif Khalifa:	nice :)
[11:53]	redouan Voir:	what bout u enkidu
[11:53]	redouan Voir:	where r u from
[11:54]		Khalifa was once dating daugher of moroccos chargé d' affars from the embassy here in denmark lol
[11:55]	redouan Voir:	realy !
[11:55]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah
[11:55]	redouan Voir:	so tell us about her
[11:55]	redouan Voir:	how did u find her
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	i am from california, usa
[11:55]	redouan Voir:	nice to meet u
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	you too!
[11:56]	redouan Voir:	no im from morcco
[11:56]	redouan Voir:	it seems like your mind is wandring
[11:56]	Latif Khalifa:	Enkidu, was nice talking to you, but I have to go /hearing beeping from the kitchen signaling my owen needs my attention lol/
[11:57]	Latif Khalifa:	nice to meet you redouan
[11:57]	Latif Khalifa:	laters guys!
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	you too, latif. thanks for coming today
[11:57]	redouan Voir:	okay man catch u later
[11:57]	redouan Voir:	have nice day
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	take care
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	morocco must be warm this time of year
[11:58]	redouan Voir:	yeah
[11:58]	redouan Voir:	the weather is realy nice
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	i'd love to go there
[11:59]	redouan Voir:	have u never comen her ?
[11:59]	redouan Voir:	anytime
[11:59]	Enkidu Linden:	never have
[12:00]	redouan Voir:	i advice u to come
[12:00]	Enkidu Linden:	so i only have a few minutes of my office hour left today. is there anything you want to ask before it ends?
[12:00]	redouan Voir:	no
[12:00]	redouan Voir:	just i would say nice to meet u too agian
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	thank you!
[12:01]	redouan Voir:	catch u later
[12:01]	redouan Voir:	welcome
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	see you!
[12:02]	redouan Voir:	/goodbye
[12:36]		about to be logged off for inactivity.

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