Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2014-10-02
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[2014/10/02 15:00] Gibson Firehawk: first time to see Oz bald :P [2014/10/02 15:00] Whirly Fizzle: Oz is broken too lol [2014/10/02 15:00] Jenna Felton: teleported to Morris and Morris started to load attachments :) [2014/10/02 15:00] Whirly Fizzle: Gonna relog and see if same happens to me again [2014/10/02 15:00] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hi guys [2014/10/02 15:00] Jenna Felton: hi Oz and all who i did not greet [2014/10/02 15:00] Oz Linden: just having trouble with this bench [2014/10/02 15:00] Gibson Firehawk: hey Lindens [2014/10/02 15:00] Inara Breen: Hi, Maestro, Oz. [2014/10/02 15:00] arton Rotaru: Someone broke my bench :( [2014/10/02 15:00] Whirly Fizzle: Maesto theres something weird on this region and Ahern. [2014/10/02 15:00] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Whirly, are you talking BUG-7436 ? [2014/10/02 15:01] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oh? [2014/10/02 15:01] Whirly Fizzle: Attachments are taking ages to attach [2014/10/02 15:01] Inara Breen: Hey, Caleb. [2014/10/02 15:01] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): do non-attachments rez quickly? [2014/10/02 15:01] Whirly Fizzle: Yep [2014/10/02 15:01] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): from inventory [2014/10/02 15:01] Whirly Fizzle: Look at Oz [2014/10/02 15:01] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): hm [2014/10/02 15:01] Whirly Fizzle: He just logged in 3 mins ago? [2014/10/02 15:01] arton Rotaru: ah now it's workin [2014/10/02 15:01] Whirly Fizzle: They attach but its very slow [2014/10/02 15:01] Oz Linden: there we go... I see me ok now [2014/10/02 15:01] Oz Linden: my hair was slow [2014/10/02 15:02] Gibson Firehawk: thats a cool new bitbucket pic you have Oz [2014/10/02 15:02] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hm, I think Oz loaded for me before I focused on him [2014/10/02 15:02] Zenith Subchair final p: whispers: Hi Yuzuru Jewell! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust. [2014/10/02 15:02] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Caleb. [2014/10/02 15:02] Oz Linden: A resident did that sketch for me! [2014/10/02 15:02] Whirly Fizzle: lol now its adding old attachments on me [2014/10/02 15:02] Oz Linden: Got a Bear for it :-) [2014/10/02 15:02] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Oz. [2014/10/02 15:02] Caleb Linden: heya [2014/10/02 15:02] Kennylex Luckless: Hia all [2014/10/02 15:02] Whirly Fizzle: LMAO [2014/10/02 15:02] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Maestro. [2014/10/02 15:03] Oz Linden: bench is working again too [2014/10/02 15:03] arton Rotaru: yep [2014/10/02 15:03] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): hello [2014/10/02 15:03] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hm yeah , your outfit is a bit of a mess, Whirly [2014/10/02 15:03] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex. [2014/10/02 15:03] Caleb Linden: whoa [2014/10/02 15:03] Simon Linden: Hi eveyrone [2014/10/02 15:03] Simon Linden: everyone too [2014/10/02 15:04] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): is that 'test female' now, Whirly? she looks normal except she's short.. [2014/10/02 15:04] rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url} [2014/10/02 15:04] Jenna Felton: yes, no outfit could load recently, 10min ago or so [2014/10/02 15:04] Inara Breen: Hi, Simon [2014/10/02 15:04] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Simon. [2014/10/02 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi everybody [2014/10/02 15:04] Jenna Felton: and now everything i was tried out that time was attached together [2014/10/02 15:04] Inara Breen: Hi, Rex [2014/10/02 15:04] Jenna Felton: but now seems working now [2014/10/02 15:04] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah seems okay now [2014/10/02 15:04] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Whirly, Lucia and Jenna. [2014/10/02 15:04] Rex Cronon: hhi maestro [2014/10/02 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi oz [2014/10/02 15:04] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Inara. [2014/10/02 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi simon [2014/10/02 15:04] Rex Cronon: hi caleb [2014/10/02 15:05] Inara Breen: Hey, Yuzuru! [2014/10/02 15:05] Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru [2014/10/02 15:05] Rex Cronon: hi inara [2014/10/02 15:05] Rex Cronon: why am i lagging so bad? [2014/10/02 15:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Is Loading objects slow? [2014/10/02 15:06] arton Rotaru: for me it was just animations and scripts slow loading [2014/10/02 15:06] Whirly Fizzle: I have a favour to ask & youll probably say no :D I need 10 million L$ on Aditi to test some UI layout changes to the top bar with a large L$ balance :) [2014/10/02 15:06] Jenna Felton: i see now, my inventory was loading after i logged in, perhaps that was a reason. after it is load it works [2014/10/02 15:06] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Actually, I think there's a way to trigger a fake L$ balance display.. [2014/10/02 15:06] Whirly Fizzle: OOooh! [2014/10/02 15:06] Whirly Fizzle: How? [2014/10/02 15:07] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I... need to research that [2014/10/02 15:07] Rex Cronon: u need fake lindens? [2014/10/02 15:07] Jenna Felton: hello Yuzuru :) [2014/10/02 15:07] Whirly Fizzle: WEll Im not gonna get 10 million on agni LOL [2014/10/02 15:08] Jenna Felton: i can give you 12000 [2014/10/02 15:08] Jenna Felton: that is about how i have [2014/10/02 15:08] Whirly Fizzle: If theres a way I can fake it, thats cool [2014/10/02 15:09] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Let me look into that after this meeting [2014/10/02 15:09] Whirly Fizzle: Thanks [2014/10/02 15:09] Jenna Felton: needs 100 to give 10000 and you have a million :) [2014/10/02 15:09] arton Rotaru: I would guess you need at least god powers to fake em [2014/10/02 15:09] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): well, the viewer could pretend that it got an L$ balance response of some large amount.. [2014/10/02 15:09] Jenna Felton: Maestro could tell every Linden to give to Whirly what they have :) [2014/10/02 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): There you go [2014/10/02 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): let's get started: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group#Agenda [2014/10/02 15:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The only topics I have for today are the server updates and a group chat test that we'll do at the end [2014/10/02 15:10] Rex Cronon: hmm. u could use an alt. give your money to your alt and reset pass for main. each time u reset pass u get new money here:) [2014/10/02 15:11] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The main channel got the experience tool bugfixes/changes which were on the RCs previously [2014/10/02 15:12] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I know that Lucia had a chance to play with it some [2014/10/02 15:12] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): since she filed https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7319 (which was fixed in the 2nd RC iteration) [2014/10/02 15:13] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I haven't heard complaints, so I guess it's working alright now. Though all of the changes are related to experience tools.. [2014/10/02 15:13] Lucia Nightfire: not erally play, but gripe [2014/10/02 15:13] Lucia Nightfire: it broke stuff [2014/10/02 15:13] Lucia Nightfire: works as it should again, yes [2014/10/02 15:13] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oh [2014/10/02 15:13] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): that's good :) [2014/10/02 15:14] Lucia Nightfire: it prevented me from giving people a correct exp uri [2014/10/02 15:14] Lucia Nightfire: as it was using the assigned group key instead of exp key [2014/10/02 15:14] arton Rotaru: ouch [2014/10/02 15:14] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yeah, that wouldn't be too useful.. [2014/10/02 15:14] arton Rotaru: that hurt I guess [2014/10/02 15:14] Lucia Nightfire: which in my case was null_key, which is why I saw the bug easily [2014/10/02 15:15] Lucia Nightfire: well, it wasn't as critical not being able to give a exp key sicne most peopel don't have a viewer that will display it correctly [2014/10/02 15:15] Lucia Nightfire: but I had a check in my scritps that cheked if an exp was compiled with the script, which was failing [2014/10/02 15:16] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah that makes sense [2014/10/02 15:16] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): So the other big RC channels got a new maintenance project, which fixed this bug: BUG-7329 "RemoteParcelRequest cap returned by a skill gaming region does not exist (returns HTTP error code 404)" [2014/10/02 15:16] Lucia Nightfire: so I had to add a temp group to the experience so it thought the group key was an exp key [2014/10/02 15:16] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): There's not much to talk about there - the RemoteParcelRequest capability is used by some TPVs to show the parcel_id of parcels [2014/10/02 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): in the official viewer, it's mainly used to show parcel script info [2014/10/02 15:17] Whirly Fizzle: Its used in official viewer for parcel script memory too [2014/10/02 15:17] Lucia Nightfire: is that parcel center thing fixed? [2014/10/02 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): which was broken in skill gaming regions [2014/10/02 15:17] Whirly Fizzle: lol [2014/10/02 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): No, I think the "parcel center thing" is a viewer bug in the TPV code [2014/10/02 15:17] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): likely related to this: SCR-133: "Script Info reporting on discontiguous parcels is not working as expected." https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-133 [2014/10/02 15:17] Whirly Fizzle: Its a bug on official too because the parcel script memory alos uses the parcel center [2014/10/02 15:17] Oz Linden: the center of a parcel is not always in the parcel [2014/10/02 15:18] Whirly Fizzle: *also [2014/10/02 15:18] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yes, I think the parcel selection logic is picking the wrong parcel [2014/10/02 15:18] Lucia Nightfire: parcel center should be rethunk, heeh [2014/10/02 15:18] Whirly Fizzle: Its the same problem Maestro yeah. Ansariel took the code for parcel script memory and used that to display the parcel ID heh [2014/10/02 15:18] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): when I query the capability manually (specifying the region_id and location vector), I get the correct parcel_id [2014/10/02 15:19] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): so I think it's doing the query with the wrong location vector [2014/10/02 15:20] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): perhaps it's making some assumptions about the parcel shape which aren't valid in all cases... [2014/10/02 15:20] Whirly Fizzle: It is, it uses the parcel centre and if there is another parcel cut in the centre it pulls data from the cenre parcel.. [2014/10/02 15:20] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oops [2014/10/02 15:21] Margithe: does it calculate the center from 4 corners, the furthest directions of each? [2014/10/02 15:21] Lucia Nightfire: idk why it would need to even ref a parcel center to begin with [2014/10/02 15:21] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): if it instead queried the southwest corner or something, that would probably fix the bug.. [2014/10/02 15:21] Margithe: you'd get the wrong position them from an L shaped parcel, too [2014/10/02 15:21] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah [2014/10/02 15:22] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): that's true Margieth [2014/10/02 15:22] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Margithe [2014/10/02 15:22] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): In other update news, we've gotten some volunteers for the Snack RC [2014/10/02 15:22] Whirly Fizzle: See Ansariels comment on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7383?focusedCommentId=445658&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-445658 [2014/10/02 15:22] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I won't "out" the list of privately-run regions, but they're out there [2014/10/02 15:22] Jenna Felton: perhaps it should take the center of the largest square that is in the parcell [2014/10/02 15:23] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): as a reminder, the Snack RC has changes for texture and mesh asset fetching, to use a CDN for faster downloads [2014/10/02 15:23] Nal (nalates.urriah): How many regions now? [2014/10/02 15:24] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): 28 right now [2014/10/02 15:24] Nal (nalates.urriah): Yay [2014/10/02 15:24] Nal (nalates.urriah): Is Bare Rose in the channel? [2014/10/02 15:24] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Ah, Morris/Dore/Ahern/Bonifacio are on Snack [2014/10/02 15:24] arton Rotaru: ready to hit an RC channel next week? [2014/10/02 15:25] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I don't think it'll hit the RC channel next week, I think there are some plans to tweak the CDN a bit first [2014/10/02 15:25] arton Rotaru: mhm okay [2014/10/02 15:26] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): "Bare Rose" is on SLS right now [2014/10/02 15:26] Oz Linden: We're fine tuning our data gathering [2014/10/02 15:26] arton Rotaru: alright, just want it gridwide ^^ [2014/10/02 15:26] Oz Linden: We may roll it out to lots of Aditi next week, but that has so little traffic that it's not much of a test [2014/10/02 15:27] arton Rotaru: yeah [2014/10/02 15:27] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The update to RC Snack was to get the changes that went to the main channel this week [2014/10/02 15:27] Nal (nalates.urriah): Woohoo B-R should be a good test [2014/10/02 15:28] Whirly Fizzle: If I do a tracert asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com, it shows the cdn server is in Phoenix, US. Why isn't it closer to me in the UK? Im guessing I don't understand how its supposed to work [2014/10/02 15:28] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): If you or your friends run sims and would like them to join the Snack RC, we still have a few open slots [2014/10/02 15:29] Oz Linden: I don't know, Whirly ... it's possible that the CDN node is really one of the hops on that path... it's forwarding your trace packet [2014/10/02 15:30] Jenna Felton: i think you must tracert the assetserver that your viewer reports [2014/10/02 15:30] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): what sort of ping time do you get to that host? [2014/10/02 15:30] Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>tracert asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com Tracing route to cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net [205.185.216.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 21 ms 20 ms 21 ms 88-104-224-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.104.224.1] 3 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms 85-210-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [85.210.252.8] 4 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms 85-210-252-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [85.210.252.19] 5 31 ms 31 ms 33 ms host-78-144-8-39.as13285.net [78.144.8.39] 6 36 ms 38 ms 32 ms host-78-144-10-131.as13285.net [78.144.10.131] 7 39 ms 31 ms 42 ms highwinds-pp-thn.as13285.net [78.144.3.42] 8 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 209.197.10.6 9 32 ms 34 ms 32 ms map2.hwcdn.net [205.185.216.10] Trace complete. [2014/10/02 15:30] Whirly Fizzle: Nice & fast :) [2014/10/02 15:30] Nal (nalates.urriah): Isn't asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com just acting as a DNS directing you to the actual CDN server? [2014/10/02 15:31] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): huh, would you normally have a 32ms ping to phoenix? [2014/10/02 15:31] Margithe: i get 4 ms XD [2014/10/02 15:31] Oz Linden: could be [2014/10/02 15:31] Whirly Fizzle: No do I hell. Mormally a 160-180 ping [2014/10/02 15:31] Whirly Fizzle: *normally [2014/10/02 15:31] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): so the sim host is in phoenix [2014/10/02 15:31] Oz Linden: you're not going to Phoenix in 32ms [2014/10/02 15:32] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I'm sure a ping to sim7000.aditi.lindenlab.com would be more in your typical range [2014/10/02 15:32] Oz Linden: Einstein would have a real problem with that :-) [2014/10/02 15:32] Gibson Firehawk: have any of you done speed tests on the TextureTest CDN region and clocked the time from login on a clean install to when the texture console shows all textures loaded? [2014/10/02 15:32] arton Rotaru: lol [2014/10/02 15:32] Gibson Firehawk: im curious what are some of the times people are clocking [2014/10/02 15:32] Margithe: 3 4 ms 9 ms 12 ms c-83-233-51-194.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.51.19 4] 4 3 ms 11 ms 3 ms netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.highwinds.com [194.68.12 3.150] 5 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms 81.171.70.10 6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms map2.hwcdn.net [2014/10/02 15:32] arton Rotaru: I got 60 seconds vs 133 sconds [2014/10/02 15:33] arton Rotaru: on the texture regions [2014/10/02 15:33] Margithe: that can't be true, can it? O.o [2014/10/02 15:33] Gibson Firehawk: im getting 30 seconds on CDN compared to 1 min on SLS [2014/10/02 15:33] Whirly Fizzle: But http://205.185.216.10.ipaddress.com/ shows its in Phoenix US. Thats why I was confused [2014/10/02 15:34] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): and 205.185.216.10 is what the cdn resolves as from your local dns server? [2014/10/02 15:34] Whirly Fizzle: How do I check that? [2014/10/02 15:34] Oz Linden: I suspect that methodology gets defeated by the games they play to direct your requests to the nearest node [2014/10/02 15:34] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i get that one, maestro [2014/10/02 15:34] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): or ending in .42 [2014/10/02 15:35] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ping the url, whirly [2014/10/02 15:35] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): itll show the ip [2014/10/02 15:35] Margithe: /me doesn't get how the tracert could show just 4 ms. [2014/10/02 15:35] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): $ host asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com is an alias for cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net. cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net has address 205.185.216.42 cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net has address 205.185.216.10 [2014/10/02 15:36] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Maybe there's some other magic with the CDN setup [2014/10/02 15:36] Nal (nalates.urriah): One result show 205.185.216.10 in Phoenix and another shows it in Georgia... [2014/10/02 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: Hum... [2014/10/02 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>$ host asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com '$' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. [2014/10/02 15:37] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah yeah [2014/10/02 15:37] Margithe: 4 ms would be if the CDN was in my garage. [2014/10/02 15:37] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): sorry, step 0 is to install linux :) [2014/10/02 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: >.< [2014/10/02 15:37] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I guess it's.. nslookup in windows? [2014/10/02 15:38] Nal (nalates.urriah): usually nslookup.... [2014/10/02 15:38] Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>nslookup asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com Server: UnKnown Address: 192.168.1.1 Non-authoritative answer: Name: cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net Addresses: 205.185.216.10 205.185.216.42 Aliases: asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com [2014/10/02 15:39] Gibson Firehawk: that command works on OSX also Maestro :P [2014/10/02 15:39] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Anyway, I suppose there must be something else going on with the CDN setup [2014/10/02 15:39] Oz Linden: most users will be less than 30ms from the node that's serving them the data [2014/10/02 15:40] Gibson Firehawk: what would be considered "high" for the CDN? [2014/10/02 15:40] Oz Linden: high what? [2014/10/02 15:40] Gibson Firehawk: average ping [2014/10/02 15:40] Whirly Fizzle: Tank was having horrid high ping time to the CDN. You still getting that Tank? [2014/10/02 15:40] Margithe: but 4ms? could that be even possible? [2014/10/02 15:41] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ive never been below a ping of 60 to the CDN [2014/10/02 15:41] Oz Linden: yes, it's possible... lucky, but possible [2014/10/02 15:41] arton Rotaru: I just got 11 ms Margithe [2014/10/02 15:42] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ive seen as high as 2 second ping [2014/10/02 15:42] Margithe: pinging asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com gives me 4 ms avarage [2014/10/02 15:42] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): 17ms from Japan. [2014/10/02 15:42] Whirly Fizzle: Okay tp post those bad results you showed me Tank? [2014/10/02 15:42] Psi Merlin: asset-cdn is 14ms for me in the UK [2014/10/02 15:42] Whirly Fizzle: *to [2014/10/02 15:42] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): on average i get about 110ms ping, while my ping to the server has been stable at 80-100ms [2014/10/02 15:42] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): server, as in the simulator [2014/10/02 15:43] Margithe: heck, if i ping the local library, the one i can spit at from my balcony, i get 4 ms. [2014/10/02 15:43] Rex Cronon: wirelessly? [2014/10/02 15:44] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): for me rex? no, hardwiered [2014/10/02 15:44] Margithe: <-- wireless [2014/10/02 15:44] Rex Cronon: no. margithe [2014/10/02 15:44] Rex Cronon: usually libraries offer free wifi:) [2014/10/02 15:44] arton Rotaru: don't need a wire to spit from a balcony :p [2014/10/02 15:45] Rex Cronon: if u r lucky u live close to a cdn server:) [2014/10/02 15:45] Margithe: the highwinds servers are supposed to be in stockholm for me, but i don't recall having that smooth ping for anything in stockholm either [2014/10/02 15:45] Gibson Firehawk: i guess i must be a little further away from one in the US...getting 30-40 most of the time [2014/10/02 15:46] Gibson Firehawk: but thats still less than half of regular ping time [2014/10/02 15:46] Margithe: but then again, our local airport is called "stockholm south2 so who knows. maybe it IS in my garage. [2014/10/02 15:46] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i do need to work with monty some time and figure out why CDN is so bad for me [2014/10/02 15:47] Whirly Fizzle: The results Tank showed me for ping asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com were Minimum = 327ms, Maximum = 2304ms, Average = 1386ms. Thats pretty bad [2014/10/02 15:47] Margithe: ooouch [2014/10/02 15:47] Gibson Firehawk: whoa [2014/10/02 15:47] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): and one of the 4 pings timed out [2014/10/02 15:48] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): the only other service i had running at the time was IRC [2014/10/02 15:48] Rex Cronon: it could be possible that the cdn note close to u tank is used also for something that takes a lot of bandwitht, or there there are too many that r using it? [2014/10/02 15:48] Duckie Dickins: could be that your ISP hosts the local CDN node, Margithe [2014/10/02 15:48] Rex Cronon: the cdn node* [2014/10/02 15:48] Inara Breen: Highwinds DCs: North America: Ashburn, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Newark, Phoenix, San Francisco, San Jose/Sunnyvale, Seattle and Toronto; Europe: Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, London, Madrid, Paris and Stockholm; South America: Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo; Asia: Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore and Manila; Australia: Sydney [2014/10/02 15:49] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): frontier hasnt cared about upgrading our network in ages [2014/10/02 15:49] arton Rotaru: just pinged Zeit=19ms TTL=59 Zeit=23ms TTL=59 Zeit=15ms TTL=59 Zeit=15ms TTL=59 [2014/10/02 15:49] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): they may not even have their own CDN :P [2014/10/02 15:49] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): In case any of you are interested in how the CDN works (given that the same IP addresses resolve for anybody), April pointed me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast [2014/10/02 15:49] Whirly Fizzle: Thnaks! Ill read that later [2014/10/02 15:50] Oz Linden: /me has to leave [2014/10/02 15:50] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): We should get started with this group chat test [2014/10/02 15:50] Oz Linden: bye all [2014/10/02 15:50] Whirly Fizzle: Ty oz [2014/10/02 15:50] Gibson Firehawk: later Oz [2014/10/02 15:50] arton Rotaru: bye [2014/10/02 15:50] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): See you, Oz. [2014/10/02 15:50] Rex Cronon: tc oz [2014/10/02 15:50] Margithe: bye oz! [2014/10/02 15:50] MartinRJ Fayray: bye [2014/10/02 15:50] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Simon, what's new with group chat? [2014/10/02 15:50] Simon Linden: So we're going to test out the group chat server today [2014/10/02 15:51] Rex Cronon: more group chat spam fest:) [2014/10/02 15:51] Simon Linden: I think we tried an earlier version of this maybe a month or so ago, but this code slows down how fast the updates are sent with each group [2014/10/02 15:51] Simon Linden: So please close and re-open the group chat windows once we get going [2014/10/02 15:52] Whirly Fizzle: same 2 gros usual? [2014/10/02 15:52] Simon Linden: yes [2014/10/02 15:52] Simon Linden: In investigating group chat, I discovered that the servers spend a lot of time sending updates [2014/10/02 15:52] Whirly Fizzle: *groups as usual [2014/10/02 15:52] Gibson Firehawk: which two groups? [2014/10/02 15:52] Whirly Fizzle: secondlife:///app/group/fa943583-23f5-3242-da23-52024f1e05c4/about and secondlife:///app/group/19e6bef4-74bc-242c-e49f-94815cb3b494/about [2014/10/02 15:52] Simon Linden: so without anyone chatting, the updates about who has entered or left the group are a big load ... and you can imagine in a large group (500+ people online) that happens a lot [2014/10/02 15:53] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): simon, did you ever look into the message that gets sent tot he viewer about the chat message you senthasnt been processed yet? [2014/10/02 15:53] Rex Cronon: we don't have even 50 people here... [2014/10/02 15:53] Simon Linden: This change delays those updates, which will accumulate them into a common message [2014/10/02 15:54] Simon Linden: yes Tankmaster ... that message isn't really the problem, it's just telling you there is a problem [2014/10/02 15:54] Simon Linden: so I'd rather not see it by making the servers work better [2014/10/02 15:55] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i was just thinking if it was sent later on, there might be less cases where it is sent do to the longer timout [2014/10/02 15:55] Margithe: my biggest problem is that i don't get the first 2-4 lines of chat when someone starts it. I can be online for some hours, then group chat starts in the middle of the topic [2014/10/02 15:55] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): or if it was sent when the message actually was discarded do to a timeout [2014/10/02 15:55] Simon Linden: so ... for this test, please open one of those two groups as Whirly posted, send a message or two, close the window, wait a bit and repeat [2014/10/02 15:55] Simon Linden: the "wait a bit" can be up to a minute or two [2014/10/02 15:56] Simon Linden: but quicker is fine too [2014/10/02 15:56] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Okay [2014/10/02 15:56] Rex Cronon: what r we looking 4? [2014/10/02 15:57] Simon Linden: If we can do that for about 5 minutes, that would be great [2014/10/02 15:58] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I think we're looking for errors messages, Rex [2014/10/02 15:59] Jenna Felton: opening the group chat when there is a massive stream of messages takes a while stil [2014/10/02 16:00] Rex Cronon: lol. somebody is using a script to paste [2014/10/02 16:00] Rex Cronon: right tank:) [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: my viewer lags from time to time [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: beach ball [2014/10/02 16:00] Whirly Fizzle: Disable chat logging lol [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: d [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: d [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: d [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: d [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: d [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: s [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: s [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: a [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: f [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: fa [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: fs [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: fsa [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: afs [2014/10/02 16:00] Caleb Linden: fas [2014/10/02 16:01] rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url} [2014/10/02 16:01] Margithe: lol wrong group [2014/10/02 16:01] Rex Cronon: i g2g. bye all and have fun:) [2014/10/02 16:01] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Caleb, it is local chat. [2014/10/02 16:01] Simon Linden: hmm I don't see delays opening any of them [2014/10/02 16:02] Whirly Fizzle: I got an error http://i.imgur.com/ErAzfad.jpg [2014/10/02 16:02] Simon Linden: maybe my chat history isn't long enough [2014/10/02 16:02] Simon Linden: thanks Whirly, I'll look for that in the logs [2014/10/02 16:02] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): lol, i saw my chat going by for about 20 seconds after i stoped :P [2014/10/02 16:02] Margithe: fmeh. works too good. [2014/10/02 16:03] Nal (nalates.urriah): I got a hard freeze in 3.7.17 just trying to open switch between the groups. [2014/10/02 16:03] Caleb Linden: yeah [2014/10/02 16:04] Simon Linden: OK, thanks ... I think that gives me enough to look at [2014/10/02 16:04] Caleb Linden: ok, script. you can halt now [2014/10/02 16:04] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Group chat update is delayed.. [2014/10/02 16:05] Margithe: we should be spread out on different sims to test it for realz ;) [2014/10/02 16:05] Nal (nalates.urriah): Wow... I had big freezes with Group Chat Chat [2014/10/02 16:05] Jenna Felton: Tank, what canoon have you used to create those volleys? [2014/10/02 16:05] Whirly Fizzle: Everything was fine for me apart from that one initialisation error [2014/10/02 16:05] Jenna Felton: me too [2014/10/02 16:05] Simon Linden: yeah, it seems to get worse with more chat history [2014/10/02 16:06] Jenna Felton: when switching there it took longer wvery time i wanted switch to the chat [2014/10/02 16:06] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): jenna, crtl + v [2014/10/02 16:06] Jenna Felton: ok [2014/10/02 16:06] Whirly Fizzle: If you disable chat logging those freezes won't happen as bad [2014/10/02 16:06] Margithe: if it's all for tonight, i shall bid you adieu! [2014/10/02 16:06] Jenna Felton: that were fast ctrlV :) [2014/10/02 16:07] Caleb Linden: au revoir [2014/10/02 16:07] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): im on a tablet also :P [2014/10/02 16:07] Jenna Felton: hm ok [2014/10/02 16:07] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I guess, I think we're done? [2014/10/02 16:07] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): for now [2014/10/02 16:07] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): :D [2014/10/02 16:07] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Until next week.. [2014/10/02 16:08] Whirly Fizzle: I just need my 10 million L$ Maestro :P [2014/10/02 16:08] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): lol [2014/10/02 16:08] Caleb Linden: lol [2014/10/02 16:08] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): heh okay, let me see if I made up that message [2014/10/02 16:08] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I believe there's a debug method.. [2014/10/02 16:08] Whirly Fizzle: Cools [2014/10/02 16:08] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): its in the "Group Chat Chat" chat [2014/10/02 16:09] arton Rotaru: alright good night everyone [2014/10/02 16:09] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Thanks for coming everybody! [2014/10/02 16:09] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): have a good one, maestro [2014/10/02 16:09] Duckie Dickins: thanks for the meeting [2014/10/02 16:09] And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): whispers: and caleb [2014/10/02 16:10] Inara Breen: Thanks, Maestro, Caleb, Simon! [2014/10/02 16:10] Gibson Firehawk: thanks Lindens [2014/10/02 16:10] Caleb Linden: you are welcome [2014/10/02 16:10] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb, Maestro and Simon. [2014/10/02 16:10] Simon Linden: Thanks everyone for the help [2014/10/02 16:10] Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Indeed [2014/10/02 16:10] Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx all