Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2014-12-18

[2014/12/18 15:00]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}

[2014/12/18 15:01]  Rex Cronon: last week i had very bad wireless connection. now i am trying different usb wireles adapters

[2014/12/18 15:02]  Jenna Felton: hi Theresa

[2014/12/18 15:02]  Theresa Tennyson: Hello!

[2014/12/18 15:02]  Jenna Felton: wireless is i beleive not good for SL generally

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Margithe: depends on the wireless ... to a certain point it's ok... but when it's bad, it's REALLY bad

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Jenna Felton: ok

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Jenna Felton: hello Simon :)

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Simon Linden: Hi everyone

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Rex Cronon: 4 me was relatively ok as long as people didn't try to hack my connection

[2014/12/18 15:03]  Caleb Linden: hi simon

[2014/12/18 15:04]  Whirly Fizzle: Heya Simon

[2014/12/18 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hi simon

[2014/12/18 15:04]  SnipiTestFS: Hi Simon

[2014/12/18 15:04]  Margithe: my other PC was doing just fine with wireless... this one i got an adapter for, and that didn't work at all.

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Jonathan Yap: Do not try to use a N adapter if you are too far away

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Caleb Linden: let's give it 1 more minute

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Rex Cronon: why jonathan?

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Margithe: Not far away but apparently the N adapter didn't like it much.. so i either had great sped or none.

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Whirly Fizzle: Simon, are you wearing mesh?  Because Im not seeing it...

[2014/12/18 15:05]  Jonathan Yap: The signal strength drops off too quickly and you lose speed

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Rex Cronon: hmm

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Caleb Linden: i think his boots are missing

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: No hat  lol

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Caleb Linden: oh yeah, hat too

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Jonathan Yap: Type N signals are much "wider" than the other types

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Rex Cronon: u see simon naked? lol

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: No attachments at all actually

[2014/12/18 15:06]  SnipiTestFS: yes..no hat and boots....

[2014/12/18 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: Not just me then, good  :)

[2014/12/18 15:07]  Jenna Felton: Simon is missing boots for me and hair unless he wears balg

[2014/12/18 15:07]  Caleb Linden: anyways, here are the updates for this week https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group. We are going to resume our SBUG meeting on January 8th after this one.

[2014/12/18 15:08]  Caleb Linden: 1) Our new group chat server went out this week. We are wrapping up our deployment to a few more hosts but it should be done.

[2014/12/18 15:08]  Rex Cronon: what? no meeting on christmas and on first day of new year:)

[2014/12/18 15:09]  Caleb Linden: :) it's always a party here. throughout the year.

[2014/12/18 15:09]  Caleb Linden: 2) Experience Tools went out on Main Channel. yay

[2014/12/18 15:10]  Jenna Felton: /me smiles

[2014/12/18 15:10]  Caleb Linden: 3) Mini CDN testing happened this morning on RC Bluesteel

[2014/12/18 15:10]  Jenna Felton: hi Duckie

[2014/12/18 15:10]  Caleb Linden: 4) Maestro can't make it today :(

[2014/12/18 15:11]  Rex Cronon: what is "mini cdn"?

[2014/12/18 15:12]  Jenna Felton: mini test :)

[2014/12/18 15:12]  Rex Cronon: oh. u just pinch it?

[2014/12/18 15:12]  Lucia Nightfire: I think I know what it is, heh

[2014/12/18 15:12]  Lucia Nightfire: but I'm nto allowed to say

[2014/12/18 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: Is that the same other CDN running here now?

[2014/12/18 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: Caps say its different

[2014/12/18 15:13]  Whirly Fizzle: GetMesh2 URL is http://asset-cdn.glb.aditi.lindenlab.com

[2014/12/18 15:13]  Caleb Linden: well, in maestro's own words he checked out a more flexible CDN config that is going to make it easier for us to deal with fall overs.

[2014/12/18 15:13]  Caleb Linden: or something like that

[2014/12/18 15:14]  Simon Linden: Dang Whirly, nothing gets by you

[2014/12/18 15:14]  Caleb Linden: but this shiny is going to be part of an official server release next year

[2014/12/18 15:15]  Rex Cronon: AFK...............................

[2014/12/18 15:15]  Rex Cronon: afk

[2014/12/18 15:15]  Whirly Fizzle: Thats why I was wondering about Simons missing mesh  ;)

[2014/12/18 15:15]  Simon Linden: It should be invisible normally but lets us have better control of where the viewer gets those mesh and texture assets

[2014/12/18 15:16]  arton Rotaru: invisible is correct, like your boots :p

[2014/12/18 15:17]  Hexapoda: I'm here, you can begin the meeting now.

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Simon Linden: I see my boots fine ... is it the dance ball height?

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Caleb Linden: we were waiting for you

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Jenna Felton: can the usage of CDN make it possible, finally, to use a private asset network, for example a server installed locally for a SL clss? that would give the creators a kind of control to keep the mesh and textures at their own place :)

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Whirly Fizzle: You have no attachments on at all

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Simon Linden: oh, I think I know what happened ... same bug Maestro hit last week

[2014/12/18 15:18]  Jenna Felton: *SL class*

[2014/12/18 15:19]  Whirly Fizzle: Same as Maestro last week after he was on a "test grid"

[2014/12/18 15:19]  Simon Linden: I was just working on that

[2014/12/18 15:19]  arton Rotaru: yeah

[2014/12/18 15:20]  Jenna Felton: you worked with Maestro and inherrited his bug? thats interesting :)

[2014/12/18 15:20]  Hexapoda: I need to ask, has it been any strange server bug today? I grief did spread over a large are in the old SF sim and even over land with No Build enabled?

[2014/12/18 15:20]  Lucia Nightfire: what was that second sentence?

[2014/12/18 15:20]  Simon Linden: we haven't shipped new server code in over a week

[2014/12/18 15:21]  Simon Linden: brb

[2014/12/18 15:23]  Caleb Linden: Hexapoda, you can file a support case for that with region names affected.

[2014/12/18 15:23]  Lucia Nightfire: just don't include the word "grief" heh

[2014/12/18 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: support sees "grief" as a GOTO for "File an AR"

[2014/12/18 15:24]  Hexapoda: I did a normal AR, but that was stupid for the user that stand as owner of the grief was tricked by a griefer gift :( But it did spread to Varney and Da Haro in a strange way.

[2014/12/18 15:24]  Jenna Felton: so, rezzing on a sim with no-build allowed, is stil possible. Or that griefer was allowed to build there in some way

[2014/12/18 15:25]  Caleb Linden: we'll get someone check out varney and da haro. is it still there?

[2014/12/18 15:25]  Jenna Felton: WB Simon

[2014/12/18 15:25]  Lucia Nightfire: if the owner was a GM,EO,EM then their rezzing could occur over no rez land

[2014/12/18 15:25]  Jonathan Yap: Simon, did you have any time to think about my question/suggestion on how to solve https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11778 ?

[2014/12/18 15:26]  Lucia Nightfire: if they fix that Jon, I hope they fix https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8029 soon too, esp that exp perms are on the horizon

[2014/12/18 15:27]  Hexapoda: There should exist some kind of anti-virus routine that can find bad griefer script and warn user via a Right Click function like "Examine"

[2014/12/18 15:27]  Simon Linden: I read your note, Jonathan, and realized I'd have to look back at that message and think about how it would fit in there

[2014/12/18 15:27]  Jonathan Yap: (My suggestion was to send a Name packet just before the group invite, so the name cache is properly populated)

[2014/12/18 15:28]  Margithe: hmm, sort of as a "run in test environment" hexapoda? Just to check for the most common griefs...

[2014/12/18 15:28]  Rex Cronon: i think the owner of land was given a gift that was actually a trojan horse...

[2014/12/18 15:28]  Hexapoda: Yes.

[2014/12/18 15:28]  Lucia Nightfire: how about a "function usage checker" :

[2014/12/18 15:29]  Lucia Nightfire: "This script contains the following functions: "llRezAtRoot(), llRequestPermissions(), llCrashRegion()"

[2014/12/18 15:29]  Lucia Nightfire: heh

[2014/12/18 15:29]  Hexapoda: Every time I get a gift I has to find a no script zone inside a no entry border.

[2014/12/18 15:29]  Hexapoda: Not a easy task in sL

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Lucia Nightfire: go to the region, Plum

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Margithe: Well it would be kinda enough if it returned things like... " This script rezzes objects, plays sound, has particles" etc

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Lucia Nightfire: its scripts are off at teh region level

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Lucia Nightfire: its where I go to rez suspicious stuffs

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Rex Cronon: i think land owner should be able to set land to dissable some specific lsl function. like the ones used to rezz or to text spam

[2014/12/18 15:30]  Theresa Tennyson: Sounds like the allergy warnings on ingredient labels... "This package may contain nuts."

[2014/12/18 15:31]  Margithe: " may contain grief , penis and lulz"

[2014/12/18 15:31]  Lucia Nightfire: yes, Rez, I filed a similar request

[2014/12/18 15:31]  Lucia Nightfire: *Rex

[2014/12/18 15:31]  Hexapoda: Maybe LL should do a RezIsland that is divided in to small parcel and if something happens you press a button and all your things is returned.

[2014/12/18 15:32]  Rex Cronon: cool lucy:)

[2014/12/18 15:32]  Lucia Nightfire: it wasn't considered though, heh

[2014/12/18 15:32]  Lucia Nightfire: Land owners will never have any decent resource control on their land, heh

[2014/12/18 15:33]  Rex Cronon: guess that is why some move to os grid...

[2014/12/18 15:33]  Hexapoda: I did test OS grid, it so empty there is no point to grief.

[2014/12/18 15:33]  Margithe: wonder if it would be possible to get a read on some of the script functions, on no mod objects from inventory without running the script. it could be a fairly simple check, just looking for specific lsl

[2014/12/18 15:34]  Rex Cronon: a customizable sandbox is much better imo

[2014/12/18 15:34]  Lucia Nightfire: yeah, but even if you had that feedback, the usage of said functions coudl still be benign

[2014/12/18 15:34]  Hexapoda: And there is not so much grief, it just so it easy to see them and therefor you think about them.

[2014/12/18 15:35]  Hexapoda: Land Groups destroy more of SL then Griefers do.

[2014/12/18 15:35]  Jenna Felton: Returning the own stuff from the web-site or just finding out at what sim the own prims are located is an interesting possibility, especially if you had a nice crash at the sim border and your airplane landed 5 sims away inside someone's house so you even cant see it

[2014/12/18 15:35]  Margithe: yeah but it won't stop people from wearing the stuff their newfound buddy gave them

[2014/12/18 15:35]  Caleb Linden: don't take candy from strangers

[2014/12/18 15:36]  Margithe: ...but strangers have the best candy...

[2014/12/18 15:36]  Hexapoda: Only gey candy from your local dealer.

[2014/12/18 15:36]  Rex Cronon: how many people do u think are able to resist not pushing a button that says "free lindens" :)

[2014/12/18 15:36]  Hexapoda: get*

[2014/12/18 15:36]  Lucia Nightfire: yeah, I see it a lot, even dated accounts that accept stuff from new accounts and in-turn rez it onyl to have it blow up

[2014/12/18 15:37]  Hexapoda: "I want a lamp that can rez a Linden when I rub it".

[2014/12/18 15:37]  Rex Cronon: people even click on big red buttons that say " click here to crash sim" lol

[2014/12/18 15:37]  Lucia Nightfire: Britany Linden

[2014/12/18 15:37]  Jenna Felton: what is the first name of the linden who appars above that lamp after rubbing?

[2014/12/18 15:37]  Jenna Felton: thanks Lucia

[2014/12/18 15:38]  Hexapoda: Ti had been a bummer to rub it and Torley dod come :)

[2014/12/18 15:38]  Jenna Felton: only if you have a water mellon with you

[2014/12/18 15:39]  Rex Cronon: lol

[2014/12/18 15:39]  Lucia Nightfire: Simon, before this meeting snowballs even further, can you whip one of your underlings to update http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Experience_Tools with that new error code

[2014/12/18 15:39]  Lucia Nightfire: that is if you have any underlings

[2014/12/18 15:40]  Lucia Nightfire: see, they saw it snowballing and thought "lets get in a quick game of ping pong"

[2014/12/18 15:40]  Lucia Nightfire: "they won't even know we're gone, hehe"

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Simon Linden: I wish I had underlings or minions

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Rex Cronon: u need trolls simon;)

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Jonathan Yap: /me sends Simon an intern

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Caleb Linden: and ping pong would sound great right now :P

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Simon Linden: I did pass that along to someone who's working on the experience tools documentation the other day ... so it's not forgotten

[2014/12/18 15:41]  Lucia Nightfire: thanks

[2014/12/18 15:42]  Jonathan Yap: Is there any firm news on when we will be able to edit the wiki again?

[2014/12/18 15:42]  Margithe: was the chat update today?

[2014/12/18 15:42]  Margithe: /me suddenly wakes up

[2014/12/18 15:42]  Jenna Felton: is there an other page where that code needs to be noted also?

[2014/12/18 15:42]  Duckie Dickins: oh..fun thing this week....would interest list cause an issue with having llPlaySound fire off during the on_rez event? I was asked to help play a sound upon rezzing a christmas card and it seemed to me that llPlaySound was unreliable and would only hear the sound on half of the rez attempts...but llTriggerSound fired off every time. I was thinking maybe the newly rezzed prim hadn't becoming interesting enough for the viewer to play the sound but a disembodied llTriggerSound always worked.

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Jenna Felton: i myself dont see any

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Lucia Nightfire: thats a known bug, Duck

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Caleb Linden: @Margithe the chat update was earlier this week. you got any news on how it's performing?

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Lucia Nightfire: Whirls knows the jira number thopugh

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Lucia Nightfire: play sound in on_rez is the bug

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Theresa Tennyson: Has anyone noticed the color picker dialog in the edit window acting strangely for complex objects lately?

[2014/12/18 15:43]  Margithe: No, i just saw a bunch of names being stuck in "loading2 for me so i thought maybe that was that...

[2014/12/18 15:44]  Margithe: "loading"

[2014/12/18 15:44]  Whirly Fizzle: BUG-8006

[2014/12/18 15:44]  Lucia Nightfire: bam

[2014/12/18 15:44]  Whirly Fizzle: You guys need a JIRA parser  >.<  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8006

[2014/12/18 15:45]  Duckie Dickins: ick..from 2011

[2014/12/18 15:45]  Rex Cronon: whirly i think u much better than a jira parser:)

[2014/12/18 15:45]  Whirly Fizzle: I mean in the viewer  lol.  So you don't need to paste the link.

[2014/12/18 15:45]  Lucia Nightfire: yeah, I bug her sometimes to find me obscure jiras when I have no luck

[2014/12/18 15:46]  Jenna Felton: the code 17 is missing also here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Experience_permissions_denied

[2014/12/18 15:46]  Duckie Dickins: well actually the script I used did a llResetScript on rez and played the sound on state_entry

[2014/12/18 15:46]  Lucia Nightfire: hopefully the minions will update both, Jenna

[2014/12/18 15:47]  Jenna Felton: and here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetExperienceErrorMessage

[2014/12/18 15:47]  Margithe: me and Duckie almost had a fight over that one because he'd hear the sound sometimes, sometimes i'd hear it, just bloody random...

[2014/12/18 15:47]  Jenna Felton: thats so far i could dig

[2014/12/18 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: I just one of the two suggestions in https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8044 is considered at some point

[2014/12/18 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: its a mainland problem mainly

[2014/12/18 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: as is most things with experiences

[2014/12/18 15:50]  Jenna Felton: that would be dificult to get any experience data when you are not on land that is in the experience because the KV database is not there

[2014/12/18 15:50]  Duckie Dickins: aww..I can't add my comment on BUG-8006 because I'm not a special snowflake

[2014/12/18 15:50]  Lucia Nightfire: kvp store access is nto part of the equation

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Margithe: because it's accepted :P nobody cares about your comment then

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Lucia Nightfire: llAgentInExperience() doesn't check teh kvp store

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Lucia Nightfire: nor would ExperienceAllowedAt()

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Jenna Felton: but where the script could get that information from when the land is not in te experience?

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Simon Linden: hmmm, I wonder if that would cause issues ... that's a subtle change in behavior

[2014/12/18 15:51]  Duckie Dickins: pft...it doesn't work on state_entry either

[2014/12/18 15:52]  Simon Linden: but I can understand you wanting to know llAgentInExperienceAndOnLandThatAllowsIt()

[2014/12/18 15:52]  Lucia Nightfire: llGetExperienceDetails() works without the exp set in the parcel or region

[2014/12/18 15:52]  Lucia Nightfire: it would work the same

[2014/12/18 15:53]  Jenna Felton: hm ok

[2014/12/18 15:54]  Lucia Nightfire: I'm in the process up updating an app with the recent changes and that issue is the last problem area

[2014/12/18 15:54]  Simon Linden: that will be useful with grid-wide experiences

[2014/12/18 15:54]  Lucia Nightfire: estates won't see that problem as they typically have the experience trusted at the region level, meaning it will work over all parcels, unless its blocked

[2014/12/18 15:54]  Lucia Nightfire: *explicitly blocked on the parcel

[2014/12/18 15:54]  Jenna Felton: perhaps the script could request the data from the sim the script was compiled at and the script knows the sim is in the experiende

[2014/12/18 15:55]  Jenna Felton: even when not running on that region

[2014/12/18 15:55]  Lucia Nightfire: compile location isn't necessary

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Jenna Felton: yes, the script simply needs to know where is the data store knowing about the residents in experience

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Hexapoda: I need to go, is this meeting logged?

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Caleb Linden: yeah!

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Caleb Linden: see you next year?

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Rex Cronon: i log it temporarly

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Jenna Felton: i will send oyu the log if you like Hexapoda

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Lucia Nightfire: the kvp store isn't involved with experience participation

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Rex Cronon: for a few days

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Hexapoda: It would be nice

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Rex Cronon: click on box to get url

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Hexapoda: take care and have fun

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Lucia Nightfire: thats just a database of user defined data

[2014/12/18 15:56]  Jonathan Yap: minutes here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Jonathan Yap: scroll down

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Lucia Nightfire: you can have experiences without a kvp store and have participants

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Rex Cronon: tc hexapoda

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Jenna Felton: yes Jonathan, but only when someone puts the log there :)

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Caleb Linden: will copy today's banter

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Margithe: happy Holidays everyone!

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Lucia Nightfire: the kvp store is just an optional storage means tied to an experience

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Rex Cronon: happy holidays to u too margithe

[2014/12/18 15:57]  Rex Cronon: :)

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Lucia Nightfire: I have apps that use it that don't even store user data

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Jonathan Yap: Before we split up, is there any news on when the wiki will be editable again by us non-Lindens?

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Simon Linden: right, the key-value store is just a feature, not required in your experience

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Caleb Linden: i don't have any news on that jonathan. simon?

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Jenna Felton: ok, i was just thinking that somewhere must be a database storing what agent is in the experience, so the llAgentinExperience can request that data from

[2014/12/18 15:58]  Whirly Fizzle: Theres a new grid status about wiki Jonathan

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: [ Ongoing Second Life Wiki Maintenance ] [Posted 3:20 PM PST, 17 December 2014] In October, we discovered an issue regarding the Second Life Wiki (http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2014/10/15/post2378/) that required maintenance to resolve. This maintenance is currently ongoing. During this ongoing maintenance, the wiki remains available in read-only mode. At this time, we do not have an estimate as to when the maintenance will [...] [ http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2014/12/17/post2441/ ]

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Simon Linden: Jonathan - I don't have a date, but the wiki people seem to be releasing new security updates faster than we can update ours

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: the experience itself stores that

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: experiences are sort of liek groups

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: thats the best comparison

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Simon Linden: it's definitely in the works, however

[2014/12/18 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: while in teh group, you can have permissions auto executed on your char by scripts compiled with the same exp

[2014/12/18 16:00]  Jenna Felton: ok, than when you are on land that is not in the experience, the script (when it is running there at all) will have to find a way to request the experience

[2014/12/18 16:00]  Jenna Felton: *the needed data from the experience*

[2014/12/18 16:00]  Simon Linden: I need to run ...thanks everyone for coming this week

[2014/12/18 16:00]  Caleb Linden: thanks

[2014/12/18 16:01]  arton Rotaru: happy hollidays and a happy new year everyone

[2014/12/18 16:01]  Lucia Nightfire: it can do that already, its just I want to accurately check if they're in the exp first before explicitly requesting perms and getting error codes to know