Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2015-01-22
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[2015/01/22 15:00] arton Rotaru: Servus
[2015/01/22 15:00] Jenna Felton: and hello Caleb :
[2015/01/22 15:01] Caleb Linden: Servus, Chef
[2015/01/22 15:01] Jenna Felton: :)
[2015/01/22 15:01] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): おはようございます(ohayou gozaimasu)！
[2015/01/22 15:01] Gibson Firehawk: /me waves
[2015/01/22 15:01] Inara Breen: Release notes aren't accessible for the RC channels, Alternate Viewers wiki page appears to have been rolled back...
[2015/01/22 15:01] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Caleb.
[2015/01/22 15:01] Inara Breen: Hey Caleb.
[2015/01/22 15:01] Caleb Linden: I know there is a lot of chatter about the wiki page. (i think)
[2015/01/22 15:02] Inara Breen: Seems things are a little FUBAR, Caleb.
[2015/01/22 15:02] Caleb Linden: For real. The SBUG page was set to December 2014 state
[2015/01/22 15:03] Caleb Linden: Hopefully the team has more recent state that we can set it to.
[2015/01/22 15:04] Inara Breen: Yup.. was just saying the RC channel release notes aren't accessible, and the alternate Viewers wiki page has been rolled back to a prior version.
[2015/01/22 15:04] Gibson Firehawk: i noticed even the alternate viewers page appears to have reverted to mid December or so
[2015/01/22 15:04] Jonathan Yap: So someone copied the wiki in December, applied patches to that copy, which is now the active one
[2015/01/22 15:04] Inara Breen: Yeah... makes it a tad hard to get the AHH project viewer, gibson :)
[2015/01/22 15:04] Whirly Fizzle: ooooo you guys talking about the weird wiki bork?
[2015/01/22 15:04] Inara Breen: We is
[2015/01/22 15:04] Gibson Firehawk: not when buidling your own :P
[2015/01/22 15:05] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah..WTF is going on there? lol
[2015/01/22 15:05] Jonathan Yap: It sounds like they made the test copy the live one
[2015/01/22 15:05] Whirly Fizzle: I was guessing it was a failed update maybe
[2015/01/22 15:05] Inara Breen: /me sticks her tongue out at Gibson.
[2015/01/22 15:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Whirly.
[2015/01/22 15:05] Inara Breen: I've just had to dig back through edit notes on my blog post to find Vir's link!
[2015/01/22 15:05] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, arton.
[2015/01/22 15:06] Whirly Fizzle: Oh Tank says we can edit pages now! Looks....
[2015/01/22 15:06] Duckie Dickins: I'm surprised strife isn't here today foaming at the mouth about it. :)
[2015/01/22 15:06] Caleb Linden: yup yup. it seems a little different now though
[2015/01/22 15:06] Whirly Fizzle: Oh yep we can edit the wiki!
[2015/01/22 15:06] arton Rotaru: hey Yuzuru
[2015/01/22 15:06] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Whirly where is it?
[2015/01/22 15:06] Nal (nalates.urriah): Yay!
[2015/01/22 15:07] Whirly Fizzle: Can someone put back the smoketest for the hover viewer please? lol
[2015/01/22 15:07] Caleb Linden: i wish i had it. it was mostly a viewer team thing
[2015/01/22 15:07] Whirly Fizzle: I didnt make a copy either
[2015/01/22 15:07] Whirly Fizzle: The bluesteel release notes have poofed too heh
[2015/01/22 15:08] Jonathan Yap: I suspect nothing is lost, we're just being sent to an old copy
[2015/01/22 15:08] Rex Cronon: greetings folks
[2015/01/22 15:08] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2015/01/22 15:08] rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2015/01/22 15:08] Jenna Felton: hello Rex
[2015/01/22 15:08] Jenna Felton: and Whirly
[2015/01/22 15:08] Caleb Linden: yeah, Jon. we just need to have to configured properly
[2015/01/22 15:08] Rex Cronon: hi jenna
[2015/01/22 15:08] Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2015/01/22 15:08] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Ah! I can edit wiki! Thank you, Whirly.
[2015/01/22 15:09] Whirly Fizzle: woot
[2015/01/22 15:09] Caleb Linden: But only in text format
[2015/01/22 15:09] Whirly Fizzle: For those that didnt see it - Soft's explanation of the Whore bug... https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8255
[2015/01/22 15:09] Whirly Fizzle: I snorted :D
[2015/01/22 15:10] Lucia Nightfire: yeah, that used a random texture for a place setter wasn't smart, heh
[2015/01/22 15:10] Gibson Firehawk: if i worked at the lab i would nickname whoever did that just "WC" from now on
[2015/01/22 15:10] Whirly Fizzle: It couyld have been a worse texture, but still pretty damn funny
[2015/01/22 15:10] Whirly Fizzle: It was on some kids groups too LMAO
[2015/01/22 15:10] Caleb Linden: haha WC
[2015/01/22 15:11] Lucia Nightfire: well technically there are no kids on SL, heh
[2015/01/22 15:11] Whirly Fizzle: Well, you know what I mean :P
[2015/01/22 15:11] Lucia Nightfire: yes
[2015/01/22 15:12] Duckie Dickins: bahaha...too funny
[2015/01/22 15:12] Duckie Dickins: I'm guessing that engineer got sent to the time out corner without cookies and milk
[2015/01/22 15:13] Lucia Nightfire: he has to do the starbucks runs for the next 3 weeks
[2015/01/22 15:13] Duckie Dickins: hah!
[2015/01/22 15:13] Caleb Linden: looking up Urban Dictionary
[2015/01/22 15:14] Caleb Linden: Alrighty, in other news. The RC got rolled out today instead of Wednesday
[2015/01/22 15:14] Caleb Linden: All of them got a fix for the snap shot email that plagued the RC from last week
[2015/01/22 15:15] Caleb Linden: and Bluesteel has Hover Height support. Do you guys need an explanation what it does?
[2015/01/22 15:15] Lucia Nightfire: its basically a "take with you" visual offset afaik
[2015/01/22 15:16] Gibson Firehawk: it works similar to the pre-SSB z offset that TPVs used as far as user seen effect
[2015/01/22 15:16] Duckie Dickins: simon is back from starbucks. :P
[2015/01/22 15:16] Rex Cronon: sets the default hoover height of ave above ground/object?
[2015/01/22 15:16] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Does it function need RC Viewer?
[2015/01/22 15:16] Lucia Nightfire: id tSimon would make that mistkae
[2015/01/22 15:16] Lucia Nightfire: gah typing
[2015/01/22 15:16] Caleb Linden: Yeah, I am trying to retrieve the link for that viewer.
[2015/01/22 15:17] Inara Breen: Project viewer, Yuzuru
[2015/01/22 15:17] Inara Breen: http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/sl-92_sl-92/rev/298129/index.html
[2015/01/22 15:17] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Inara.
[2015/01/22 15:17] Whirly Fizzle: Ive only had a quick play with hover because Im away from home till Saturady but it seems good after a cursory poke. I havnt tested what observers see yet though. I cant log 2 avies in on my piece of junk craptop hehe.
[2015/01/22 15:17] Inara Breen: I've had a pretty good play with it
[2015/01/22 15:17] Caleb Linden: With it you can pull off Chris Cross levitation tricks in SL
[2015/01/22 15:18] Inara Breen: Both on supported regions and non-supported, and using couples dances, etc.
[2015/01/22 15:18] Gibson Firehawk: i logged in two avs and played around with it....its fast and seems to work on everything....objects, anims, poseballs, etc
[2015/01/22 15:18] Caleb Linden: That's good
[2015/01/22 15:18] Inara Breen: Works really well, and the persistence is there
[2015/01/22 15:18] Lucia Nightfire: gah, the exp release notes is lost too
[2015/01/22 15:18] Lucia Nightfire: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Release/3.8.0.298001
[2015/01/22 15:18] Duckie Dickins: I'm happy about it....now I can tweak some ground animations I have that don't quite work for my avatar
[2015/01/22 15:18] Whirly Fizzle: Did anyone look at what an obswerver sees when you groundsit, change hover then stand and resit? That was always a bit weird with normal hover too
[2015/01/22 15:18] Lucia Nightfire: now my apps are pointing new users to a broken link...
[2015/01/22 15:18] Whirly Fizzle: *observer
[2015/01/22 15:19] Gibson Firehawk: ah i forgot to look if the shape wearable hover slider is still in appearance mode...is that trashed in the new project viewer?
[2015/01/22 15:19] Whirly Fizzle: Groundsit hover behaves differently to a normal sit hover
[2015/01/22 15:19] Gibson Firehawk: might confuse people if was still in appearance also
[2015/01/22 15:19] Whirly Fizzle: Shape hover is still there, thats a seperate thing
[2015/01/22 15:19] Inara Breen: Yup
[2015/01/22 15:20] Whirly Fizzle: I hope they keep it. It has different use cases
[2015/01/22 15:20] Inara Breen: AFAIK it's staying
[2015/01/22 15:20] Gibson Firehawk: maybe some sort of difference in naming would help prevent confusion
[2015/01/22 15:20] Simon Linden: Hi everyone
[2015/01/22 15:20] Nal (nalates.urriah): Hi
[2015/01/22 15:20] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Simon.
[2015/01/22 15:20] Inara Breen: Hi, Simon
[2015/01/22 15:20] Caleb Linden: hi simon
[2015/01/22 15:20] Whirly Fizzle: Heya Simon
[2015/01/22 15:21] Rex Cronon: hi simon
[2015/01/22 15:21] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah I hope they keep both hovers but the new one needs to be renamed heh
[2015/01/22 15:21] Jonathan Yap: How was the ski trip Simon?
[2015/01/22 15:21] Whirly Fizzle: Are you WC Simon? :P
[2015/01/22 15:21] Gibson Firehawk: lol
[2015/01/22 15:22] Jenna Felton: hello Simon :)
[2015/01/22 15:24] Whirly Fizzle: *crickets*
[2015/01/22 15:24] Jonathan Yap: What is going to be talked about tonight?
[2015/01/22 15:24] Simon Linden: Skiiing was a lot of fun, thanks
[2015/01/22 15:24] Simon Linden: WC ... West Coast? yes
[2015/01/22 15:24] Jonathan Yap: Or do we sit around looking at Simon's photos from his trip? :)
[2015/01/22 15:25] Whirly Fizzle: whispers: Errrrr... no. Whore Couture
[2015/01/22 15:25] Whirly Fizzle: :D
[2015/01/22 15:25] Caleb Linden: I open the floor for questions
[2015/01/22 15:25] Simon Linden: I have a little bit of news ... we're going to get another error code for experience tools
[2015/01/22 15:25] Simon Linden: hopefully in RC next week ... a permissions request will expire after 5 minutes with an error
[2015/01/22 15:26] Caleb Linden: thank you lucia for that
[2015/01/22 15:26] Lucia Nightfire: that answers one question, which would have been which way you would have fixed that bug
[2015/01/22 15:27] Lucia Nightfire: because I would have filed a feature request if error 4 was returned
[2015/01/22 15:27] Lucia Nightfire: after 5 min or on the next req calll
[2015/01/22 15:27] Simon Linden: that one was odd ... definitely a corner case that got missed
[2015/01/22 15:28] Lucia Nightfire: I notced it like w/i a few min of testing my fixes to my teleporter that included checkign for erro 17 cases
[2015/01/22 15:28] Rex Cronon: i think wc also stands for toilet:)
[2015/01/22 15:28] Lucia Nightfire: thats water closet, heh
[2015/01/22 15:28] Lucia Nightfire: mostly brits still use that afaik
[2015/01/22 15:29] Gibson Firehawk: european terminology?
[2015/01/22 15:30] Rex Cronon: i just did a simple search:)
[2015/01/22 15:30] Jenna Felton: that may be so, Gibson, in germany it means the same
[2015/01/22 15:30] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I know WC. Japanese knows it.
[2015/01/22 15:30] Lucia Nightfire: just to be clear, Simon, that new error occurs after 5 min of no repsonse from the target, not on the next request, right?
[2015/01/22 15:30] Whirly Fizzle: Haha no. I was meaning WC as in Whore Couture as in the bug
[2015/01/22 15:31] Gibson Firehawk: lol we know Whirly :P
[2015/01/22 15:31] Simon Linden: Yes Lucia, I'm adding that part this afternoon
[2015/01/22 15:31] Lucia Nightfire: so we'll get that next week maybe?
[2015/01/22 15:31] Simon Linden: it shouild be in RC on Wednesday
[2015/01/22 15:32] Lucia Nightfire: great, heh
[2015/01/22 15:32] Simon Linden: ... assuming I get it done today and testing between now and then goes ok
[2015/01/22 15:32] Lucia Nightfire: ok
[2015/01/22 15:32] Simon Linden: it will be on the beta grid by tomorrow too
[2015/01/22 15:32] Lucia Nightfire: I don't have any land nor a grid-wide key to test here, heh
[2015/01/22 15:33] Lucia Nightfire: unless you move my sim to Aditi
[2015/01/22 15:33] Jenna Felton: better copy, Lucia
[2015/01/22 15:33] Whirly Fizzle: Is anythuing happening with that alternative CDN that was./is running on Aditi that was discussed at a UG before Xmas? Is there still planned Agni testing for that?
[2015/01/22 15:34] Caleb Linden: haven't heard anything new with that
[2015/01/22 15:34] Simon Linden: Hmmm, I haven't heard anything about that either
[2015/01/22 15:34] Gibson Firehawk: is it testing a different provider?
[2015/01/22 15:35] Lucia Nightfire: ^
[2015/01/22 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: Is it stilkl using the CDN2 here? Im on SLGO atm so I cant check the caps
[2015/01/22 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: *still
[2015/01/22 15:35] Simon Linden: yes ... it was going to allow a lot more flexibility so we could have different regions on different CDNs
[2015/01/22 15:35] Lucia Nightfire: when are you goign to be back at full speed, Whirls? heh
[2015/01/22 15:35] Whirly Fizzle: Saturday!
[2015/01/22 15:35] Lucia Nightfire: yay
[2015/01/22 15:36] Lucia Nightfire: we can do testing on your estate then, lol
[2015/01/22 15:36] Whirly Fizzle: Sure
[2015/01/22 15:36] Lucia Nightfire: thanks in advance
[2015/01/22 15:36] Simon Linden: ... or something similar. It might have been different areas of the world on different CDNs. I forget the details
[2015/01/22 15:37] Gibson Firehawk: load reduction on just one CDN sounds nice
[2015/01/22 15:37] Lucia Nightfire: yeah, cause it is noticable on the wekends
[2015/01/22 15:37] Lucia Nightfire: would be nice for LL to find a provider in the central US and I don't mean the heartland
[2015/01/22 15:37] Whirly Fizzle: Its also crap when the CDN cache is cold heh. Its slooooow. And for me, the cache goes cold a lot. I'm sure it isnt supposed to happen like that though.
[2015/01/22 15:38] Simon Linden: yeah the CDN was a nice step forward but it's needed some fine-tuning
[2015/01/22 15:38] Rex Cronon: u r the only one from your continent that is using sl whirly;)
[2015/01/22 15:38] Whirly Fizzle: Sometimes Rex it feels like that haha
[2015/01/22 15:38] Lucia Nightfire: no she isn't, I've seen a few Irish lads in WT recently
[2015/01/22 15:39] Lucia Nightfire: or wait, she isn't Irish, lmao
[2015/01/22 15:39] Whirly Fizzle: Irish griffers? :D
[2015/01/22 15:39] Lucia Nightfire: one yes
[2015/01/22 15:42] Rex Cronon: .
[2015/01/22 15:42] Whirly Fizzle: ..
[2015/01/22 15:42] Jonathan Yap: ...
[2015/01/22 15:42] Caleb Linden: ....
[2015/01/22 15:43] Gibson Firehawk: /me burps
[2015/01/22 15:43] Rex Cronon: having connection problems. lol
[2015/01/22 15:43] Whirly Fizzle: Nah noone was talking
[2015/01/22 15:43] Rex Cronon: wanted to make sure i am still here:)
[2015/01/22 15:43] Jenna Felton: i was thinking my chat is RLV blocked vor some reason
[2015/01/22 15:44] Jenna Felton: (for)
[2015/01/22 15:44] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I asked myself "What's happen?".
[2015/01/22 15:45] Rex Cronon: lindens r very silent. r they cooking something?
[2015/01/22 15:45] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Was my tested app crashed_
[2015/01/22 15:45] Lucia Nightfire: Simon, did you ever work on this fix? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7702
[2015/01/22 15:45] Caleb Linden: So i got news from the wiki team. With a cup of Starbucks i am going to get the Hover Height page back. It's not lost, I just need to copy it in again.
[2015/01/22 15:45] Whirly Fizzle: Cookin bugz
[2015/01/22 15:45] Gibson Firehawk: ive noticed sometimes when flying over mainland that once in a while i get a "unable to create pending connection" message during a region crossing...what is usually the cause of that?
[2015/01/22 15:45] Whirly Fizzle: Oh great. Thanks Caleb
[2015/01/22 15:45] Jenna Felton: that is good news Caleb
[2015/01/22 15:45] Whirly Fizzle: Your server release notes are somewhat borked too
[2015/01/22 15:46] Jonathan Yap: Errr, Caleb, they should copy over all the updated pages, not have various lindens do them willy-nilly
[2015/01/22 15:46] Caleb Linden: anything recently edited is borked.
[2015/01/22 15:46] Whirly Fizzle: yeah
[2015/01/22 15:47] Caleb Linden: Agreed
[2015/01/22 15:47] Jenna Felton: is there some place to report borked pages? because when Lindens and All start to restore copied pages, links may go to wrong place
[2015/01/22 15:47] Jonathan Yap: p.s. Tell them I said so :)
[2015/01/22 15:47] Caleb Linden: Will do
[2015/01/22 15:48] Lucia Nightfire: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Alternate_Viewers is borked too
[2015/01/22 15:48] Whirly Fizzle: Make that WC guy do it as punishment :P
[2015/01/22 15:48] Caleb Linden: ahaha
[2015/01/22 15:48] Whirly Fizzle: Actually...maybe not LMAO
[2015/01/22 15:48] Caleb Linden: That's going to be the nickname
[2015/01/22 15:48] Whirly Fizzle: God knows what we'd get back hahaha
[2015/01/22 15:48] Lucia Nightfire: no ping pong for a whole week, is his actual punishment, heh
[2015/01/22 15:48] Jonathan Yap: WC Linden
[2015/01/22 15:49] Whirly Fizzle: Someone set that as his display name :D
[2015/01/22 15:49] Caleb Linden: William Chatner
[2015/01/22 15:50] Lucia Nightfire: I need to have my cricket sound byte on standby at all times
[2015/01/22 15:50] Rex Cronon: that guys knows to code?
[2015/01/22 15:50] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I love Star Trek.
[2015/01/22 15:51] Caleb Linden: :) It's like if you look at a carpet too closely you lose the whole picture of the pattern
[2015/01/22 15:51] Caleb Linden: That was actually from a Coldcut mix.
[2015/01/22 15:52] Jonathan Yap: Art inspectors are now using scanners on paintings to get the thread counts, as a way to detect a forgery
[2015/01/22 15:53] Caleb Linden: Any of you guys watched Login 2 Life documentary?
[2015/01/22 15:53] Lucia Nightfire: oh boy
[2015/01/22 15:53] Whirly Fizzle: Not yet. Any good?
[2015/01/22 15:53] Nal (nalates.urriah): Haven't heard of it...
[2015/01/22 15:53] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): http://www.login2life.net/ ?
[2015/01/22 15:53] Caleb Linden: yeah
[2015/01/22 15:54] Caleb Linden: I think it's only on German broadcasting no?
[2015/01/22 15:54] Inara Breen: Only until the end of the week, I believe.
[2015/01/22 15:54] Rex Cronon: i guess i nsfw
[2015/01/22 15:54] Rex Cronon: is*
[2015/01/22 15:54] Inara Breen: Great documentary tho.
[2015/01/22 15:54] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SenO73Tf2M
[2015/01/22 15:55] Inara Breen: ZDF allow it to run from time-to-time
[2015/01/22 15:55] Jenna Felton: i can not say definitelly Caleb
[2015/01/22 15:56] Rex Cronon: u can't have a sl documentary withouth including the p0rn bits
[2015/01/22 15:56] Caleb Linden: of course!
[2015/01/22 15:56] Caleb Linden: no SL no WC
[2015/01/22 15:59] Caleb Linden: Anyways, I leave you with that, and I hope to get OUR wiki pages recovered
[2015/01/22 15:59] Caleb Linden: soonish
[2015/01/22 15:59] arton Rotaru: good luck
[2015/01/22 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: Ty Lindens
[2015/01/22 15:59] Caleb Linden: Have a great week!
[2015/01/22 15:59] Jonathan Yap: take care
[2015/01/22 15:59] Whirly Fizzle: Someone buy WC a beer for me :D
[2015/01/22 15:59] Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx all... bye.
[2015/01/22 15:59] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb.
[2015/01/22 15:59] Rex Cronon: tc caleb
[2015/01/22 15:59] Caleb Linden: ciao