Beta server office hours/Minutes/2018-01-11
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[2018/01/11 15:00] Minuet Voir: I think it was Tuesday as I mentioned it at Simon's meeting. [2018/01/11 15:00] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): no we didn't touch it [2018/01/11 15:00] Beq Janus: my inventory is pretty up to date [2018/01/11 15:00] Beq Janus: but I've been in here a lot lately [2018/01/11 15:01] Rex Cronon: hi everybody [2018/01/11 15:01] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): for testing things Beq? [2018/01/11 15:01] Beq Janus: Hi Rex, Caleb [2018/01/11 15:01] Rex Cronon: hi beq [2018/01/11 15:01] Minuet Voir: Hey Rex [2018/01/11 15:01] Beq Janus: yeah, but testing stuff for me. I've been playing with why the random variations in mesh weight occur in the viewer [2018/01/11 15:01] Beq Janus: when we upload [2018/01/11 15:01] Rex Cronon: hi minuet [2018/01/11 15:02] Beq Janus: so I was writing a decoder for the SLM [2018/01/11 15:02] Rex Cronon: slm=? [2018/01/11 15:02] Beq Janus: the internal mesh format [2018/01/11 15:02] Rex Cronon: oh. ok [2018/01/11 15:03] Beq Janus: which actually reminds me. There's a Jiora that was put in as a viewer change but is actually a server change [2018/01/11 15:03] Beq Janus: as best I can tell anyway [2018/01/11 15:03] Mazidox Linden: What was it? [2018/01/11 15:03] Beq Janus: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-202864 [2018/01/11 15:03] Rex Cronon: AFK............................... [2018/01/11 15:03] Rex Cronon: afk for a few minutes... [2018/01/11 15:04] Beq Janus: Liz thought the mesh uploader was dropping the chlld object names when uploaing linksets [2018/01/11 15:04] Mazidox Linden: I am gonna stay far away from that. [2018/01/11 15:04] Minuet Voir: lol [2018/01/11 15:04] Beq Janus: I looked in FS and was pretty sure we weren;t [2018/01/11 15:04] Mazidox Linden: Definitely not my cup of tea, regardless of whether it's viewer or server. [2018/01/11 15:04] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): ditto mazidox, ditto [2018/01/11 15:04] Mazidox Linden: I'll let the experts decide [2018/01/11 15:05] Beq Janus: then once my decoder was working I could see the object names in the submeshes in the SLM so I'm pretty sure it gets uplaoded and dropped on the server [2018/01/11 15:05] Beq Janus: hehe [2018/01/11 15:05] Beq Janus: I say pretty sure cos I haven't double checked in wireshark that it gets sent [2018/01/11 15:05] Beq Janus: but it is certainly packaged up to be sent :-) [2018/01/11 15:06] Beq Janus: Kyle won;t have anything to do with it either. If it isnot soemthing he can break.... [2018/01/11 15:07] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): it's time for the "official" weekly scoop. [2018/01/11 15:07] Minuet Voir: yay! [2018/01/11 15:07] Beq Janus: \o/ [2018/01/11 15:08] Beq Janus: where's whirly these days Min? She's slacking [2018/01/11 15:08] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): We just had a restart of Main Channel regions on Tuesday [2018/01/11 15:08] Minuet Voir: Still at her parents [2018/01/11 15:08] Minuet Voir: sloshed on sherry most likely [2018/01/11 15:08] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): and RC this week only had some refactoring code [2018/01/11 15:08] Beq Janus: /me giggles [2018/01/11 15:09] Minuet Voir: yay for restarts :-) [2018/01/11 15:09] Beq Janus: all OS updates done for now? [2018/01/11 15:09] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): oh no no [2018/01/11 15:09] Mazidox Linden: Oh I wish, hah. [2018/01/11 15:09] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): there is going to be update on top of the update in the coming months [2018/01/11 15:09] Beq Janus: I presume you're gonna get whacked with Meltdown patches [2018/01/11 15:10] Mazidox Linden: We got a couple more of the internal services updated though, so that's nice! [2018/01/11 15:11] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): let me check what is hot on aditi [2018/01/11 15:11] Beq Janus: That bug I mentioend, is that best for Simon's meeting on Aditi? [2018/01/11 15:11] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): mesh related possibly going to vir [2018/01/11 15:11] arton Rotaru: does Simon has a meeting on Aditi? [2018/01/11 15:11] Beq Janus: ah ok [2018/01/11 15:12] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): not on aditi [2018/01/11 15:12] Beq Janus: ah right yeah that's here too [2018/01/11 15:12] Minuet Voir: I hope you fixed that reported packet loss. 75% sheesh, and no one noticed [2018/01/11 15:12] Beq Janus: ugh I mean Agni [2018/01/11 15:12] Beq Janus: grumbles and puts my head on the right way round [2018/01/11 15:12] Mazidox Linden: We shouldn't comment on Meltdown as it relates to us (because, you know, big old security risk) but just in general I've seen a lot of speculation about Meltdown and Spectre mixed in with facts. So everyone should do their best to be informed and critical :) [2018/01/11 15:13] arton Rotaru: Vir mentioned the child names of uploaded mesh right at the start of his meeting, maybe you missed that Beq [2018/01/11 15:13] Mazidox Linden: That was pretty amusing Minuet. I checked my connection and the bucket I keep under my ethernet cable wasn't filling up, so I think we're OK. [2018/01/11 15:13] Beq Janus: ah did he? I was orf reading bedtime stories [2018/01/11 15:13] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:13] Mazidox Linden: And it's okay Beq, I still get them confused on occasion as well [2018/01/11 15:14] Mazidox Linden: Usually speaking rather than writing, for whatever reason. [2018/01/11 15:14] arton Rotaru: you have to come early to virs meeting, [2018/01/11 15:14] arton Rotaru: he said that the names are assigned by the server actually [2018/01/11 15:14] Beq Janus: I did, then my son decided he was going to get out of bed! [2018/01/11 15:15] Beq Janus: yeah, that's what I put in the bug report. So are they going to stop it overwriting? [2018/01/11 15:15] arton Rotaru: maybe, maybe not [2018/01/11 15:15] Beq Janus: lol, yep that's a Vir answer [2018/01/11 15:15] Minuet Voir: lol [2018/01/11 15:16] arton Rotaru: so what hot on Aditi? what is melting down because it's that hot? [2018/01/11 15:16] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): hehe [2018/01/11 15:17] Minuet Voir: Is "refactoring" going to be a buzz word for a while? [2018/01/11 15:17] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:17] arton Rotaru: they're getting creative [2018/01/11 15:18] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): so what's hot: that service that makes regions aware of each other, is updated on aditi [2018/01/11 15:18] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): so if you see anything weird with it, speak up! [2018/01/11 15:18] arton Rotaru: that's good [2018/01/11 15:18] Mazidox Linden: No, it just happened to be what happened this particular time. Some code got moved from point A to point B, and both points were internal. [2018/01/11 15:18] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): it's hot because we are about to get that version out on production [2018/01/11 15:19] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): next week i presume [2018/01/11 15:19] arton Rotaru: what took me about ten years to realise is, that you can't see a region with is only connected at a corner ^^ [2018/01/11 15:19] Jenna Felton: hello all :) [2018/01/11 15:19] arton Rotaru: which* [2018/01/11 15:19] Minuet Voir: Hi Jenna [2018/01/11 15:19] Mazidox Linden: Hey Jenna [2018/01/11 15:19] Mazidox Linden: You can for a little bit if you teleport between them Arton. [2018/01/11 15:20] arton Rotaru: ah really? [2018/01/11 15:20] arton Rotaru: I have to try that [2018/01/11 15:21] Beq Janus: Hi Jenna [2018/01/11 15:21] Jenna Felton: when you TP out to an other region even not connected but in draw distance than you can see the old region for a minute [2018/01/11 15:21] arton Rotaru: Jenna is 20 minutes late, that is 2000 L$ fine [2018/01/11 15:22] Rex Cronon: hi jenna:) [2018/01/11 15:22] Jenna Felton: tell that to my internet provider :) [2018/01/11 15:22] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:22] arton Rotaru: thank oyu [2018/01/11 15:22] Jenna Felton: but i can pay aditi lindens, not a problem :) [2018/01/11 15:22] arton Rotaru: I'll spend them on carrots [2018/01/11 15:23] Jenna Felton: good appetite :) [2018/01/11 15:23] Jenna Felton: you are welcome [2018/01/11 15:23] Mazidox Linden: Wow, that is a lot of carrots. [2018/01/11 15:23] arton Rotaru: maybe, maybe not [2018/01/11 15:23] Mazidox Linden: A few really god carrots? [2018/01/11 15:23] arton Rotaru: yummy [2018/01/11 15:24] Rex Cronon: so, who knows what happened with IMs in the last month or so? [2018/01/11 15:24] Mazidox Linden: *good [2018/01/11 15:24] Minuet Voir: There could well be a lot of baby bunnies lurking somewhere [2018/01/11 15:24] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:24] Rex Cronon: because on tuesday i received IMs from 12/20/17 when i went to simon group meeting [2018/01/11 15:25] Minuet Voir: I get fewer IMs as I'm more anti-social. [2018/01/11 15:25] Mazidox Linden: We found an issue and addressed it with a fix earlier today Rex. (It didn't require a restart) [2018/01/11 15:25] arton Rotaru: will we see improved region crossings with the updated services? [2018/01/11 15:25] Mazidox Linden: Sorry, it's just an OS update so we can't promise anything. [2018/01/11 15:25] arton Rotaru: ok [2018/01/11 15:26] arton Rotaru: as long as it isn't melting [2018/01/11 15:26] Minuet Voir: Mazidoz "No promises" Linden [2018/01/11 15:26] Rex Cronon: at one time IMs from objects on main grid were also sent here when u logged. does that stillhappen? [2018/01/11 15:26] Mazidox Linden: Hey now, promises are dangerous. [2018/01/11 15:27] Mazidox Linden: And Rex, can you clarify? [2018/01/11 15:27] arton Rotaru: remeber the promise you made [2018/01/11 15:27] Minuet Voir: Oh I agree! [2018/01/11 15:27] Minuet Voir: /me promises not to make any promises [2018/01/11 15:27] Rex Cronon: what do i need to clarify? [2018/01/11 15:27] Mazidox Linden: So, when you log (in? out?) messages from Agni got routed here? [2018/01/11 15:28] arton Rotaru: I never saw that happenign myself [2018/01/11 15:28] Rex Cronon: IMs from objects from the main grid. [2018/01/11 15:29] Rex Cronon: i think happened sometimes last year [2018/01/11 15:29] Mazidox Linden: To be honest that sounds bad. [2018/01/11 15:29] Rex Cronon: when i logged in [2018/01/11 15:29] Beq Janus: soudsn real bad [2018/01/11 15:30] Minuet Voir: Do you log nearby chat? [2018/01/11 15:30] Rex Cronon: oh, and I no loger get IMs from objects, group send to my email:( [2018/01/11 15:30] Rex Cronon: yes minuet [2018/01/11 15:31] Rex Cronon: and how come it took almost one month to get an IM from an object, and I never got an email? [2018/01/11 15:31] Minuet Voir: I was having a problem getting group notices to email, but it seems to have become sporadic now. I'm wondering if it was the surge of December activities possibly. [2018/01/11 15:32] Rex Cronon: in november i could still get IMs from groups, objects sent to email [2018/01/11 15:32] Minuet Voir: I'm getting object IMs reliably. [2018/01/11 15:32] Mazidox Linden: Be right back, sorry! [2018/01/11 15:32] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): is your email provider one of the common ones? yahoo.com etc? [2018/01/11 15:32] Rex Cronon: hotmail [2018/01/11 15:33] Minuet Voir: All mine are gmail with filters [2018/01/11 15:33] arton Rotaru: I have an object on quite laggy mainland region which is supposed to send one email everyday. sometimes it's days with no emails at all, and then a bunch comes in at once [2018/01/11 15:33] Minuet Voir: hmm hotmail hates SL [2018/01/11 15:33] Minuet Voir: seems to anyway [2018/01/11 15:33] Jenna Felton: how good is google? [2018/01/11 15:33] Rex Cronon: no minuet. it didn't hate sl, at least in november [2018/01/11 15:34] Jenna Felton: i was thinking to make gmail just for SL at the time my offline IMs were swallowed [2018/01/11 15:34] Rex Cronon: sometimes in november-december there were some changes made in sl to IMs [2018/01/11 15:34] Minuet Voir: I've only ever used gmail (since about 2006 I guess?) for SL. The only thing I don't like is it sometimes "stacks" emails from the same object [2018/01/11 15:34] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): that's correct [2018/01/11 15:35] Minuet Voir: Use filters too; they make a big difference [2018/01/11 15:35] Jenna Felton: interesting [2018/01/11 15:35] arton Rotaru: yeah, stacking is what I see with AOL mail as well [2018/01/11 15:35] Rex Cronon: my email was verified the last time i checked so IMs should be sent to my email [2018/01/11 15:35] Rex Cronon: when i am not logged in [2018/01/11 15:35] Minuet Voir: I made the mistake of verifying all my emails and not leaving an unverified one for testing purposes. [2018/01/11 15:36] arton Rotaru: good news for you Minuet^^ [2018/01/11 15:36] Minuet Voir: Too enthusiastic [2018/01/11 15:36] Minuet Voir: or anal [2018/01/11 15:36] arton Rotaru: you should be able to create a new email addy for free:p [2018/01/11 15:36] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): but need your cell phone number [2018/01/11 15:36] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:37] Minuet Voir: Oh yes, have done so. Or make another account. *grins* [2018/01/11 15:38] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): so you only don't get the emails when the address is not verified, correct? [2018/01/11 15:39] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): what is observed i mean [2018/01/11 15:39] Rex Cronon: mine is verified and i still don't get emails:( [2018/01/11 15:39] Minuet Voir: Me? my emails are verified, and I believe Rex said his was too [2018/01/11 15:39] Rex Cronon: since december [2018/01/11 15:40] Rex Cronon: in november i was still getting them [2018/01/11 15:40] Jenna Felton: my mail adress is verified and i get offline emails daily [2018/01/11 15:40] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): Did you report it to support, Rex? [2018/01/11 15:41] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): I think something was not liking hotmail anymore [2018/01/11 15:41] Minuet Voir: I'd try whitelisting or creating filters if you haven't done so already. [2018/01/11 15:41] Rex Cronon: i checked my trash. no emails [2018/01/11 15:42] Minuet Voir: Hotmail actually has a long history of not being nice to SL communications, and it sounds like you've just been darn lucky so far. [2018/01/11 15:42] arton Rotaru: mybe try another mail provider at first [2018/01/11 15:42] Jenna Felton: when a mail provider drops the email for spam does it send a response? [2018/01/11 15:42] arton Rotaru: for testing purposes [2018/01/11 15:43] Beq Janus: we know that one reason the lab moved to registered addresses was because they were getting flagged as a spamhaus. Possible that hotmail still has some blocks in place [2018/01/11 15:43] Rex Cronon: i haven't contacted support. it just happened on tuesday. if something weird happens, i usually ask during group meeting. u guys r more up to date:) [2018/01/11 15:43] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): is @aol.com still around :) [2018/01/11 15:44] Minuet Voir: lol I wondered that too; was surprised to hear aol mentioned [2018/01/11 15:44] Rex Cronon: although aol IM is gone i think [2018/01/11 15:44] Beq Janus: I have some of their CDs keeping birds off of my fruit bushes [2018/01/11 15:44] arton Rotaru: the mail servers of AOL are still working [2018/01/11 15:44] arton Rotaru: but that's it, at least here in germany [2018/01/11 15:44] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): yeah, Rex try it out with a different email [2018/01/11 15:45] Minuet Voir: also, don't expect things like email, browsers, anti-virus programs to stay the same always and forever [2018/01/11 15:45] Rex Cronon: but i don't want to try it out with a different email:( [2018/01/11 15:45] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): understandable [2018/01/11 15:45] Mazidox Linden: Sometimes I like my job. The rest of the time I really love my job :D [2018/01/11 15:45] Rex Cronon: anyway, i first need to make sure IMs r sent from sl [2018/01/11 15:46] Minuet Voir: https://www.thebalance.com/whitelist-email-sender-3515045 [2018/01/11 15:46] Mazidox Linden: I just got to slam the Moon into Earth :D [2018/01/11 15:46] arton Rotaru: lol, Mazi got free cake [2018/01/11 15:46] Rex Cronon: and because i just got those IMs from 12/12/17 when i logged on tuesday, that make it look like something was borked with sl not with my email [2018/01/11 15:47] Jenna Felton: you can usually set a redirect to your main address, some providers allow redirecting so you not need to log into the web interface. with yahoo it was possible when i am not dreaming [2018/01/11 15:47] Techwolf Lupindo: Mazidox, what earthshatteing? ;-) [2018/01/11 15:47] Techwolf Lupindo: Darn it....Was that [2018/01/11 15:47] Mazidox Linden: Absolutely :) [2018/01/11 15:47] Minuet Voir: I didn't feel the earth move. [2018/01/11 15:47] Minuet Voir: But if it was good for you... [2018/01/11 15:47] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:48] Mazidox Linden: I think there's a song about that. Something something "feel the earth move under my feet" [2018/01/11 15:48] Minuet Voir: Carol King [2018/01/11 15:48] Minuet Voir: or is it Carole King? [2018/01/11 15:48] arton Rotaru: you got a friend [2018/01/11 15:48] Rex Cronon: sl, should give use an warning if it can't send emails [2018/01/11 15:48] arton Rotaru: as an email Rex? ^^ [2018/01/11 15:48] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): Thats Tanita [2018/01/11 15:48] Rex Cronon: at least when u log in either grids [2018/01/11 15:48] Minuet Voir: LOL [2018/01/11 15:48] Rex Cronon: :) [2018/01/11 15:49] Rex Cronon: no arton. using pigeons:) [2018/01/11 15:49] Minuet Voir: I see a similar thing requested in FSE. LL should give warnings for unscheduled maint. [2018/01/11 15:50] arton Rotaru: weren't there such popups in the past [2018/01/11 15:50] Minuet Voir: You could get a magic 8 ball to send you IMs Rex? [2018/01/11 15:50] arton Rotaru: gridwide blue popups [2018/01/11 15:50] Mazidox Linden: We can take those suggestions to the folks who do communications etc but... Uh... No promises [2018/01/11 15:50] Minuet Voir: Yes, you will get offline IMs tonight. No, you will not get offline IMs tonight. [2018/01/11 15:50] Mazidox Linden: Gosh, I do say that a lot. [2018/01/11 15:50] Rex Cronon: minuet, i think there is a difference if you have your own objects send you IMs [2018/01/11 15:50] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:50] Rex Cronon: i could use an alt [2018/01/11 15:51] Minuet Voir: It's def your tag line, Mazi [2018/01/11 15:51] Kyle Linden: This is a test. Only a test. [2018/01/11 15:51] arton Rotaru: that looks cool Kyle [2018/01/11 15:51] Jenna Felton: i think the mail address should become unverified when the emails could not be delivered and as soon you log into your web page, the warning should be written there [2018/01/11 15:51] Techwolf Lupindo: I got it. [2018/01/11 15:51] Rex Cronon: u have a big red button on your desk kyle, and r u ready to push it;) [2018/01/11 15:51] arton Rotaru: hows that done? [2018/01/11 15:52] Minuet Voir: That's a region message? [2018/01/11 15:52] Jenna Felton: maybe with a reason why it was unverified if that is possible to differ [2018/01/11 15:52] Mazidox Linden: Hey, I'm not a spraypaint can :( [2018/01/11 15:52] Kyle Linden: Yes it was region only. ;) [2018/01/11 15:52] Mazidox Linden: I don't tag things [2018/01/11 15:52] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): tagger [2018/01/11 15:53] Techwolf Lupindo: Kyle, it showed up on my end as a non-blue popup. [2018/01/11 15:53] Minuet Voir: /me slaps Mazi 'tag! you're it' [2018/01/11 15:53] Minuet Voir: They show up as toasts [2018/01/11 15:53] Minuet Voir: At least mine did [2018/01/11 15:53] Rex Cronon: "[15:51] Kyle Linden: Kyle Linden: This is a test. Only a test." [2018/01/11 15:54] arton Rotaru: I was curious because of the square brackets, as it appeared in chat [2018/01/11 15:54] Mazidox Linden: Mmm toast. [2018/01/11 15:54] Minuet Voir: Are you running FS, Arton? [2018/01/11 15:54] arton Rotaru: nope [2018/01/11 15:54] Mazidox Linden: Trying to think of anything else we've got coming up. [2018/01/11 15:55] Minuet Voir: Shinies [2018/01/11 15:55] arton Rotaru: it has to be hot [2018/01/11 15:55] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): hott [2018/01/11 15:55] Minuet Voir: Hot Shinies [2018/01/11 15:55] Beq Janus: mirrors [2018/01/11 15:55] Minuet Voir: Hott Shinies [2018/01/11 15:55] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:55] Minuet Voir: cough 'em up [2018/01/11 15:55] Mazidox Linden: /me sprays to no avail [2018/01/11 15:56] Mazidox Linden: Sorry, no shinies here [2018/01/11 15:56] Rex Cronon: hot new shiny: now emails get delivered by smoke signals;) [2018/01/11 15:56] Minuet Voir: updates updates updates [2018/01/11 15:56] Caleb the Cable Guy (caleb.linden): haha [2018/01/11 15:56] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:56] Minuet Voir: bad for the enviro [2018/01/11 15:56] arton Rotaru: but it would involve hottness [2018/01/11 15:56] Beq Janus: I think Rex was a victim of net neiutrality. They'll give you your emails when you buy the "email from SL" service subscription [2018/01/11 15:56] arton Rotaru: is that a word? [2018/01/11 15:57] Minuet Voir: How to encrypt smoke signals? [2018/01/11 15:57] Rex Cronon: your servers must be using unpached intel cpus:) [2018/01/11 15:57] Beq Janus: use them in foggy weather [2018/01/11 15:57] Minuet Voir: oy [2018/01/11 15:57] Bugsly Linden: throw salt on the fire [2018/01/11 15:57] Minuet Voir: ahahahaha [2018/01/11 15:57] Beq Janus: hehe [2018/01/11 15:58] Mazidox Linden: Hey, our servers run on organic hamsters. Wait, is that a thing? [2018/01/11 15:58] arton Rotaru: there'S vegan hamsters at least [2018/01/11 15:59] Minuet Voir: I don't know about organic, but there are pancake hamsters https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/b6/c9/90b6c923e09ee9231613ae291f4718c6.jpg [2018/01/11 15:59] Minuet Voir: Maybe that's the problem with offlines. They're exhausted! [2018/01/11 15:59] arton Rotaru: lol [2018/01/11 15:59] Rex Cronon: kidding aside. will sl server performance suffer due to the intel security patch for their cpus?