Bug triage/2008-03-05/Transcript
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Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
| [15:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Do we have an agenda for today? |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | We do! |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda |
| [15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | User is not online. Your message will be conveniently deleted and not delivered at all. Have a nice and productive day! |
| [15:03] | Torley Linden: | I wish I could customize that message. I need assistants, really. |
| [15:03] | BugTest Dumpling: | That's a good idea Torley... lol |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | How's everyone today? |
| [15:03] | Squirrel Wood: | You have reached clone #435,256 of Torley Linden. Please wait while we process your request! |
| [15:03] | Taryn London: | Good :) You? |
| [15:04] | Simon Kline: | heheh i'm sure we'd all volunteer to bee your assistant for a day torley! heh |
| [15:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | maybe you should poke the devs into implementing that then? |
| [15:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | a customiseable message on IM is much desired... |
| [15:04] | Squirrel Wood is rockin' the day away ^^ | |
| [15:04] | Taryn London: | I dont think I could handle it. I have enough trouble keeping up with the blog. |
| [15:04] | Torley Linden: | That's nice of you, Squirrel. Hehe. |
| [15:04] | Bridie Linden grins | |
| [15:04] | Torley Linden: | Taryn, so far, thanks. |
| [15:04] | Taryn London: | speaking of which.. plant doing well? :D |
| [15:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | # VWR-5207[c] - Votes: 3 - Sculpted Prims Load/Look Different in v1.19 than in v1.18 or Lower - Earalia Nolan |
| [15:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | When everyone is ready |
| [15:04] | Torley Linden: | I tell my wife, like "I don't need another thing to take care of!" but she got me sold on the beauty of nature. |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden was waiting on Aric Linden... | |
| [15:05] | Squirrel Wood: | that one is likely the LOD problem... zoom out, then back in and it should look ok |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | But let's get rolling... |
| [15:05] | Arawn Spitteler has a window Grapefruit Tree, so a Watermelon shouldnt be bad. | |
| [15:05] | BugTest Dumpling: | Is he hoping to make some sort of entrance? lol |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | Thx WK |
| [15:05] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Has the degenerate surface detection been changed again? |
| [15:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | That ws the cause last time this type of thing appeared |
| [15:06] | Saijanai Kuhn: | hey all |
| [15:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It'd be worth asking Qarl if there was any intentional change that coulc cause this, perhaps? |
| [15:06] | Bridie Linden is checking something...one sec | |
| [15:07] | Squirrel Wood: | you have several prims witht he same sculpt texture in a row... the ones close to you will show the low res model, the ones further away will look fine. |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | Hi Saijanai |
| [15:07] | Squirrel Wood: | and only zooming out fixes that |
| [15:07] | Squirrel Wood: | so that is why I assume that this one is related |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hey there sai |
| [15:07] | Saijanai Kuhn admires his sub 1.0 fps | |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that does sound like an annoying bug, too |
| [15:07] | Arawn Spitteler: | Having to zoom out would wrec havok, with the animated Sculpties |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | sub 1? |
| [15:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | oh dear |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | debug settings > renderfarclip |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | set it to something like 8 |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that should help a bit |
| [15:08] | Taryn London: | Hi Aric |
| [15:08] | WarKirby Magojiro waves to Aric | |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | is 5207 same or related to VWR-2920? |
| [15:08] | Torley Linden: | Heyyyy Aric! |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Aric! |
| [15:09] | Aric Linden: | hi Bridie |
| [15:09] | Aric Linden: | sorry i'm late |
| [15:09] | Bridie Linden: | Np, busy day! |
| [15:09] | Aric Linden: | my life got effed cuz we evacuated the building and then i had to make up meetings |
| [15:09] | WarKirby Magojiro: | oh, I commented on that a loong time ago |
| [15:09] | WarKirby Magojiro: | is that still not fixed? |
| [15:09] | BugTest Dumpling: | "my life" rofl |
| [15:09] | BugTest Dumpling: | Was that SF Aric? |
| [15:09] | Bridie Linden: | 2920 is fixed in WL |
| [15:10] | Squirrel Wood: | I would say its a dupe of sorts |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro is usin windlight | |
| [15:10] | Squirrel Wood: | I'm on the latest WL and get the LOD bug on sculpties |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden hmms | |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | I'll link 'em up and import 5207 then |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think it would be a good idea to ask earalia to test her straps in windlight |
| [15:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | at renderfarclip = 8 I get 3.6 fps |
| [15:10] | Aric Linden: | yes bugtest |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | see if the problem occurs there |
| [15:10] | BugTest Dumpling: | I see, thanx : ) |
| [15:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | 3.6 is not a lot better.... :/ |
| [15:10] | Aric Linden: | wow, big crowd |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | Good idea WarKirby |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Is it? |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | you should see zero's meetings |
| [15:11] | Squirrel Wood: | I don't get the flat spheres but a low res sculpt model |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | last time I attended one of those |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the sim was full |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | wow! |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and people were queing up outside in other sims |
| [15:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | depends on the topic and how much I spam-advertise the meeting |
| [15:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | we had 80 people show up one time |
| [15:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | heh |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden is happy with helpful triage attending Resis! | |
| [15:11] | Squirrel Wood: | Spamvertising :/ |
| [15:12] | Saijanai Kuhn: | had to change to a multi-sim arena |
| [15:12] | Saijanai Kuhn: | he was not pleased |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5284[c] - Votes: 3 - DNS Could not resolve host name error after upgrading to 1.19.0.4 |
| [15:12] | Simon Kline: | i've been helping eva with this one.... she still can't log on |
| [15:13] | BugTest Dumpling: | Is that a firewall causing that, do you think? |
| [15:13] | Simon Kline: | we've been troublshooting ever since last thurs and can't get it to work |
| [15:13] | Daedalus Young: | friendly greetings! |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | firewall, isp routing problem... |
| [15:13] | Taryn London: | Hi Daedalus :) |
| [15:13] | Arawn Spitteler is on 1.19.0(5), but has only seen 50% Log-in failure today | |
| [15:13] | Bridie Linden: | and the only change has been the viewer? |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | HOSTS file mayhaps |
| [15:13] | Bridie Linden: | Hiya Daed! |
| [15:13] | Simon Kline: | no tried disabling firewall |
| [15:13] | Simon Kline: | tried updating hosts file |
| [15:13] | Squirrel Wood: | try adding the IPs and hostnames to the HOSTS file ? |
| [15:13] | WarKirby Magojiro: | none of these people have mentioned which country they're in... |
| [15:13] | Simon Kline: | i've scowered jira |
| [15:14] | Bridie Linden: | Aric, Torley any thoughts? |
| [15:14] | Simon Kline: | and there's been a few cases of vista related ppl that have upgraded and had simmilar issues |
| [15:14] | Simon Kline: | after upgrading |
| [15:14] | Becky Pippen: | Many of us have recently started getting DNS failures during logiin to SL, and that's the only name our DNS can't resolve at that time. |
| [15:14] | Simon Kline: | did something change about the login with this upgrade? |
| [15:14] | Torley Linden: | Hmmm... |
| [15:14] | Squirrel Wood: | I would provide a hosts file for such cases to see if that helps |
| [15:15] | Simon Kline: | yeah we did try adjusting the hosts file with the login.agni... addresses in it |
| [15:15] | BugTest Dumpling: | Tried an alternate viewer? or account? |
| [15:15] | Simon Kline: | yep other account |
| [15:15] | Torley Linden: | I wonder if other viewers work for Evangeline? |
| [15:15] | Bridie Linden: | worked or didn't work Simon? |
| [15:15] | Simon Kline: | the windlight she's got doesn't work now either |
| [15:15] | WarKirby Magojiro: | /nicholaz viewer is a good thing to try |
| [15:15] | Squirrel Wood: | can she log in from a friends computer? |
| [15:15] | Simon Kline: | other accounts don't work |
| [15:15] | Torley Linden: | This doesn't seem widespread but I'd check that... besides, we're on 1.19.0.5 right now, not 1.19.0.4 (subtle but there is a distinction). |
| [15:16] | Simon Kline: | yeah might try nicholaz viewer and work more on that |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | Let's leave this one open but keep an eye on it |
| [15:16] | Simon Kline: | i'm meeting her on yahoo today to try more things |
| [15:16] | Saijanai Kuhn: | heh. Windlight is nearly twice as fast |
| [15:16] | Aric Linden: | it's possible that while a restart is occuring the lookup for a related server is failing and then something caches and doesn't clear |
| [15:16] | Aric Linden: | I'd suggest clear both web and server cache |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:17] | Simon Kline: | yeah we tried flushing dns and restarting the vista dns services... |
| [15:17] | Simon Kline: | thanks aric we'll try that i think web cache has been cleared but will try |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | don't forget server cache |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | they're different prefs |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | Thx for suggestions all. |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | # VWR-5158[c] - Votes: 1 - SL Freezes, Can't Walk after 30 secs - edmundtyler blackadder |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | one is under network, the other is under web on the prefs menu |
| [15:18] | Simon Kline: | it's rather distressing for her because she's unable to leave her house and sl is her only way of reaching the outside world... thankyou for your suggestions. |
| [15:18] | BugTest Dumpling: | That could be due to the connection to the internet? |
| [15:18] | Aric Linden: | simon, if that doesn't work, you're welcome to ping me via IM and I'll see what I can do to help |
| [15:18] | Daedalus Young: | 5158, reporter says SL works fine on a different computer |
| [15:18] | Aric Linden: | also is it wireless or dsl or cable |
| [15:19] | Squirrel Wood: | Please notice: Windows Vista Ultimate |
| [15:19] | BugTest Dumpling: | I get that and I think it is when the internet connection is reset, it disconnects you from SL |
| [15:19] | BugTest Dumpling: | ? |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | maybe this is one for support... |
| [15:20] | BugTest Dumpling: | *nods* |
| [15:20] | WarKirby Magojiro: | VWR-5158? |
| [15:20] | Squirrel Wood: | high packet loss too.. 0.9% |
| [15:20] | Torley Linden: | It seems isolated and not a widespread issue, with those types of things I generally lean towards support. |
| [15:20] | BugTest Dumpling: | Agreed |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Yup |
| [15:20] | Torley Linden: | So we can resolve this as Contact Support. |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Will do |
| [15:20] | Aric Linden: | one question should be asked here (I'll update) |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5208[c] - Votes: 2 - Voice IM volume slider being moved by unrelated dialog open/close actions in 1.19.x Dazzle and now Release versions |
| [15:21] | Aric Linden: | what other applications are running? |
| [15:21] | Aric Linden: | I'll add the comment, Torley |
| [15:21] | Torley Linden: | Thanks Aric! |
| [15:21] | WarKirby Magojiro runs WMP, firefox, blender, photoshop, MSN, and SL all at once o.o | |
| [15:21] | Torley Linden: | Seems like VWR-5208 has a pretty easy repro to check out. |
| [15:22] | Squirrel Wood: | that is a clear dupe? |
| [15:22] | Squirrel Wood: | might want to link tothe feature requests of the client remembering volume settings |
| [15:23] | Torley Linden: | That does sound similar to me... but still, volume settings shouldn't change upon mere resizing of a window, if what the reporter describes is accurate. |
| [15:23] | Torley Linden: | Er, I mean "mere scrolling". |
| [15:23] | BugTest Dumpling: | Ah |
| [15:23] | BugTest Dumpling: | Sec |
| [15:24] | Squirrel Wood: | it usually does it when you move to a different parcel which has its own voice channel set |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | what is the IM Volume slider? |
| [15:24] | Squirrel Wood: | or teleport |
| [15:24] | Torley Linden: | Bridie, when you do a 1:1 voice chat in private with someone... |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | ah, yes |
| [15:24] | Torley Linden: | in that IM tab, you'll see a volume slider near the top. |
| [15:24] | Bridie Linden: | I'll import and look for similar issues to link to |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | I know there was a recent one... |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | Cool? |
| [15:25] | Bridie Linden: | Moving right along... |
| [15:25] | Torley Linden: | Sounds good! |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5203[c] - Votes: 1 - when resizing a newly created prim - texture repeat numbers change on their own - corrupt cache |
| [15:26] | Daedalus Young: | could not repro, but it's not really clear to me what the reporter means |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden reads latest comment from Daed | |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden: | Yeah, perhaps they were confused... |
| [15:26] | Squirrel Wood: | This very much looks like the "stretch Textures" checkbox NOT being checked |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Seems appropriate for Cannot Reproduce. |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Squirrel, that's what I thought too. |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Could be a UI misunderstanding. |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | Next up |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5202[c] - Votes: 0 - SecondLife keeps crashing after logging in. |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Doesn't exist? |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Oops. |
| [15:27] | Torley Linden: | Sorry. |
| [15:28] | BugTest Dumpling: | : P |
| [15:28] | WarKirby Magojiro: | this sounds bad |
| [15:28] | Simon Kline: | waterhead is a busy area |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | BTW, I went through these issues fairly quickly last night - but wanted to be sure some of these were indeed isolated... |
| [15:28] | Squirrel Wood: | Memory: 895 MB - looks a bit odd |
| [15:28] | Aric Linden: | well, note that the log says something different about version than the affects version |
| [15:28] | Aric Linden: | I wonder which version was being run |
| [15:28] | Torley Linden: | I think we need to determine whether this is location-specific, too. |
| [15:28] | BugTest Dumpling: | Good eye Aric |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Good eyes Aric! |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | beer BugTest! |
| [15:29] | BugTest Dumpling: | lol |
| [15:29] | Torley Linden: | Helo says "Waterhead" but I was there the other day for a good period of time, no crashie for me. |
| [15:29] | Torley Linden: | Important to include a log as well, so let's ask Helo Kirax to do that. |
| [15:29] | BugTest Dumpling: | Maybe it is just their connection |
| [15:29] | BugTest Dumpling: | Ask for more info |
| [15:29] | Taryn London: | Maybe crashing at Waterhead is just a natural defence mechanism. |
| [15:29] | Aric Linden: | yes, more info please |
| [15:29] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Not really much to go on there |
| [15:29] | Taryn London: | It's a feature. |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:29] | Torley Linden: | *nods at Aric* |
| [15:29] | BugTest Dumpling: | haha Taryn |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | More info FTW! |
| [15:29] | Squirrel Wood: | graphics driver version may also be of interest |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | Next... |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5209[c] - Votes: 0 - LSL - running checkbox is sometimes greyed out in scripts - |
| [15:30] | BugTest Dumpling deletes and bans "FTW" | |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden looks @ BugTest FTW! | |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | j/k |
| [15:31] | WarKirby Magojiro: | This sounds like the permissions lagging a little |
| [15:31] | BugTest Dumpling is so confused by that saying >>.<< lol | |
| [15:31] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Similar things happen trying to modify any object somtimes |
| [15:31] | Squirrel Wood: | Could it be that this happens when scripts are off on estate level? |
| [15:31] | BugTest Dumpling: | Lag then? |
| [15:31] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Presumabbly, the client defaults to no mod in the absence of permission information ? |
| [15:32] | Bridie Linden: | Torley, not related, but it does remind me of the prim count issue we ran into |
| [15:32] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, I remember that one, Bridie. |
| [15:32] | Aric Linden: | Squirrel, your thought makes sense to me |
| [15:32] | Bridie Linden hmmms | |
| [15:32] | Aric Linden: | it seems to me that this might be a problem with perception on the way nested permissions works |
| [15:32] | Torley Linden: | Permissions is a harsh mistress. |
| [15:32] | BugTest Dumpling: | rofl |
| [15:32] | Squirrel Wood: | Indeed! |
| [15:32] | Taryn London: | lol |
| [15:32] | Bridie Linden: | indeed |
| [15:32] | Squirrel Wood: | Very harsh! |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden wants extra credit for slipping in jargon "nested permissions" | |
| [15:33] | WarKirby Magojiro thinks permissions need an overhaul | |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | Just had one Warkirby |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden: | gold sarts (sic) for ARic |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden decline FASHION CON RELEASES 3-5-08 from A group member named Jazmine Jordan. | |
| [15:33] | Taryn London gives Aric a gold sart for jargon. | |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden grins happily | |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | My work is done here |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | I'll be on my way |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden lols | |
| [15:33] | Squirrel Wood: | Oh My. Someone will have to create actual Sarts to give out to people now :p |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | Shall we ask Mani to take a gander? |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | I'll comment on this one. I have specific questions to ask and I'll ask for more info |
| [15:34] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'm imagining a sculpted star, inside out |
| [15:34] | Squirrel Wood: | Collect trophies! Get a SART today! |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | ty Aric |
| [15:34] | BugTest Dumpling: | sart? |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | Not yet. I think we need to make sure it's not user error |
| [15:34] | Daedalus Young: | lol |
| [15:34] | BugTest Dumpling: | Huh? 0.o |
| [15:34] | Torley Linden: | Hahah. |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | BugTest, typo of mine from last week (trying to give out gold stars became 'sarts'..) |
| [15:34] | Squirrel Wood: | A profile page for Sarts! ^^ |
| [15:34] | BugTest Dumpling: | LOL Ok |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | Supah Sarts! |
| [15:35] | Arawn Spitteler wonders if Sarts have been Wikkied yet. | |
| [15:35] | BugTest Dumpling: | Will teach me never to miss Triage again or IM in triage |
| [15:35] | BugTest Dumpling: | LOL |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | ! |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | Next up... |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5260[c] - Votes: 0 - was logged off for being idle although I clearly wasn't |
| [15:35] | Daedalus Young: | I even put a sart on a screenshot I posted last week |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | Nice Daed! |
| [15:35] | BugTest Dumpling: | Bridie |
| [15:35] | BugTest Dumpling: | That one I think, THINK happened to me on Dazzle |
| [15:36] | BugTest Dumpling: | Or was it RC? |
| [15:36] | BugTest Dumpling: | Never mind... lol |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | I couldn't repro |
| [15:36] | Squirrel Wood: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sart - It has! |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden: | what about gold sarts Squirrel? |
| [15:37] | Torley Linden: | VWR-5260 needs a better repro. |
| [15:37] | Aric Linden: | love Squirrel for sart samples |
| [15:37] | BugTest Dumpling: | Set a last triage date and ask fro more info? |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:37] | Squirrel Wood: | ^^ |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | next... |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5268[c] - Votes: 0 - Gestures limitation varies - |
| [15:38] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [15:38] | Torley Linden: | Hmmm this one may be up my alley... |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | I have to admit I didn't try creating a 29 step gesture... |
| [15:38] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'd tend to use a scripted device if I had something complex enough to need that many steps... |
| [15:38] | Torley Linden: | it depends on the # of characters within the gesture steps. |
| [15:38] | Torley Linden: | NOT the steps themselves. |
| [15:38] | Squirrel Wood: | can text string length be a limit ? |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | Yes, Squirrel. |
| [15:39] | Bridie Linden: | orly? |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | I had the exact # a long time ago... |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | http://secondlife.com/app/help/avatar/gestures.php |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | Oh my gosh, it's been ages since I wrote that! |
| [15:39] | Bridie Linden nominates Torley to comment/resolve | |
| [15:39] | BugTest Dumpling: | Comment and Resolve? |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | Yes, I'll do that. |
| [15:39] | Torley Linden: | Thanks! |
| [15:40] | Bridie Linden: | Another gold sart for you Torley! |
| [15:40] | Torley Linden: | Mmm yummy sarts. |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | * VWR-3798[c] - Votes: 11 - Sculpt textures have WAY too low a priority in the interest list. - Argent Stonecutter |
| [15:40] | Squirrel Wood: | High priority for sculpt textures! ^^ |
| [15:40] | Bridie Linden: | WK is fast ! |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I added comments to this a few minutes ago |
| [15:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I strongly support this issue |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I quite often see sculpted prims being textured before their geometry is even downloaded |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | seems silly |
| [15:41] | Torley Linden: | I feel similarly about this, from newcomers I hear things like "What's with all the balls on his... oh... they're changing shape." |
| [15:41] | BugTest Dumpling: | : )) |
| [15:41] | BugTest Dumpling: | haha |
| [15:41] | Squirrel Wood: | Definitely something to change... especially with sculpted avatars and clothes |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | I see that everytime I login here |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | they ought to be the first textures to be downloaded |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | (sculpty sofas!) |
| [15:41] | WarKirby Magojiro smiles | |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | Let's import and see what our other Lindens say... |
| [15:41] | BugTest Dumpling: | Ooh Sculpty caves are awesome! |
| [15:42] | Daedalus Young: | I'd like to see prims close to the avatar in general be rezzing first |
| [15:42] | Daedalus Young: | I often see stuff in the distance rez first, while I'm waiting for all the invisibility around me to go away |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden decline Trixxy's Shop Note :) from A group member named Trixxy Oh. | |
| [15:42] | WarKirby Magojiro: | patches are up next... |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | Yes, they are! |
| [15:42] | WarKirby Magojiro: | # VWR-4834[c] - Votes: 0 - Solaris port - Strife Onizuka |
| [15:42] | Taryn London: | Zepar! Heya :) |
| [15:43] | Squirrel Wood: | 4834 - looks like Soft is onto those already |
| [15:43] | Torley Linden: | Hm, last I know, Soft was helping with that... not a full-scale port but massaging those patches. |
| [15:43] | Torley Linden: | *nods* |
| [15:43] | Zepar Zhukovsky: | Hey Taryn |
| [15:43] | Harleen Gretzky: | Soft said she was going to import all the Solaris on Monday |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden: | I'll ping soft about this then! |
| [15:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | The script editor enhancement looks wonderful |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | Next |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5206[c] - Votes: 18 - Save and load scripts from the script editor to local disk |
| [15:44] | Squirrel Wood: | YES! |
| [15:44] | Squirrel Wood: | I want! |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | yay |
| [15:44] | Torley Linden: | This looks pretty compelling. |
| [15:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | no more pasting |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | Nice one |
| [15:45] | Aric Linden: | let's grab it |
| [15:45] | Squirrel Wood: | never lose scripts on save again by closing the window too soon... |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | will grab! |
| [15:45] | WarKirby Magojiro: | now all we need is collapsable codeblocks..... |
| [15:45] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5283[c] - Votes: 6 - Line number gutter for script editor |
| [15:45] | Squirrel Wood: | ^^ |
| [15:45] | Daedalus Young: | 5283 is a must-grab too |
| [15:45] | Squirrel Wood: | Indeed! |
| [15:46] | WarKirby Magojiro: | ah, he's doing code folding and bookmarks too |
| [15:46] | Arawn Spitteler: | Collapsible Code sounds almost like an extension of Mono. User Created Classes might benice |
| [15:46] | WarKirby Magojiro: | excellent |
| [15:46] | Squirrel Wood: | Line numbers... though I'd want them hex formatted :p |
| [15:46] | Becky Pippen wiggles in anticipation of this one | |
| [15:46] | Daedalus Young: | although it currently looks to be a WIP |
| [15:46] | Squirrel Wood: | for the 1337 look |
| [15:46] | Squirrel Wood votes | |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | I'll import |
| [15:46] | Torley Linden: | Scripter's paradise! |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | One more from JB |
| [15:47] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Misc pool is up next |
| [15:47] | BugTest Dumpling: | FTW is For the Win? Right? |
| [15:47] | WarKirby Magojiro: | oh, |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5304[c] - Votes: 3 - Script editor enhancements, shift selection left/right, toggle comment selection |
| [15:47] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that one too |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | Yes BugTest |
| [15:47] | BugTest Dumpling: | ^.^ |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | Who is this JB Kraft? :) |
| [15:47] | BugTest Dumpling: | Is Meg, being called BugTest freaks me out... lol |
| [15:47] | Squirrel Wood: | importeded |
| [15:47] | Squirrel Wood points at Aric | |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | Must give him/her gold sarts... |
| [15:48] | Squirrel Wood: | He did it! |
| [15:48] | WarKirby Magojiro: | # SVC-682[c] - Votes: 4 - Objects can enter into No-Object-Entry area. - Nock Forager |
| [15:48] | Aric Linden looks around nervously | |
| [15:48] | Bridie Linden: | Onto the misc pool... |
| [15:48] | Aric Linden: | did what? |
| [15:48] | Torley Linden: | SVC-682 sounds like a dupe... |
| [15:48] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I vote this be closed as duplicate |
| [15:48] | Torley Linden: | I talked to Nock the other day! |
| [15:48] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I already covered this myself, and much better |
| [15:48] | WarKirby Magojiro: | see the linked issue |
| [15:49] | Daedalus Young: | dupe of svc-1042, it says it is |
| [15:49] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, I vote to close as dupe. |
| [15:49] | Bridie Linden: | yup |
| [15:49] | Torley Linden: | See Kelly's comment @ https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1042?focusedCommentId=39162#action_39162 |
| [15:49] | WarKirby Magojiro: | SVC-1042 is mine. I documented four methods of circumventing the flag |
| [15:49] | Squirrel Wood: | no object entry and havok 4 are mortal enemies :p |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden: | hee |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden: | Next |
| [15:50] | Bridie Linden: | SVC-925[c] - Votes: 4 - Estate Manager are not able to upload and download RAW terrain files |
| [15:50] | Torley Linden: | Hm, Estate permissions... |
| [15:50] | BugTest Dumpling: | Isnt that intentionall? |
| [15:50] | Torley Linden: | I see where this is useful, but not every Estate Owner wants this to be possible. |
| [15:50] | Torley Linden: | E.g., you could screw up the terrain. |
| [15:50] | Squirrel Wood: | make it an option ? |
| [15:51] | Zepar Zhukovsky: | add an undo |
| [15:51] | Torley Linden: | I vote this should be a New Feature, not a bug since it *is* by design. |
| [15:51] | Squirrel Wood: | [ ] EMs can load/save terrain data |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | Looks like there was a bit of a bug/new feature battle |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | +1 for new feature |
| [15:52] | Squirrel Wood commented. | |
| [15:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | seems logical that they should be able to |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden: | Shall I go ahead and import? |
| [15:52] | Torley Linden: | Yes, please do... |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden: | will do |
| [15:52] | Daedalus Young: | neither bug nor new feature, it's an enhancement |
| [15:52] | Torley Linden: | in the future we should have better consistency/design between estate and parcel-level controls. |
| [15:52] | BugTest Dumpling: | I think it's more a new feature, changing what is already there, not fixing it |
| [15:52] | Torley Linden: | Right now it's a disconnected confusion on some levels. |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | Next .. |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4201[c] - Votes: 3 - Grabbing prim with llDetectedGrab(), and dragging to the left, rotates camera left. |
| [15:53] | Squirrel Wood: | one thing I have notices is that as an EM I cannot make use of the about land options... |
| [15:53] | Squirrel Wood: | if I'm not in the proper groups and roles |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden decline Mad About Saffron New Release 03/05/08 FC from A group member named Ginger Glimmer. | |
| [15:54] | Squirrel Wood: | detectedgrab may not be involved at all. rapid clicking on a HUD prim will do the same |
| [15:54] | Squirrel Wood: | camera turns bit by bit to the left |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | Can u comment Squirrel? |
| [15:55] | Squirrel Wood: | II shallll |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | ty |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | Next one, good title... |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-4989[c] - Votes: 1 - See only blue screen |
| [15:55] | Bridie Linden decline Kayliwulf Kingdom Fetish Planet and Space Lounge from A group member named Lazarus Luan. | |
| [15:55] | Torley Linden: | Sounds like a koan! |
| [15:56] | Taryn London: | Reporter: Blue Linden. |
| [15:56] | BugTest Dumpling just found a dazzle bug : )) | |
| [15:56] | Taryn London: | "Stuff thats supposed to happen, part 1". |
| [15:56] | Torley Linden: | This needs more info... is it only a WindLight problem, for example? |
| [15:56] | Daedalus Young: | is that your book? |
| [15:56] | Torley Linden: | Affects Version/s isn't even specified. |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that's a bit misleading |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | this is underwater |
| [15:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | very different from bluescreen |
| [15:56] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:57] | Torley Linden: | Good point, WarKirby. |
| [15:57] | Torley Linden: | May be a misunderstanding. |
| [15:57] | Torley Linden: | Weird, there's a actually a region named "what". :p |
| [15:57] | Squirrel Wood: | did we just skip 5171? |
| [15:57] | BugTest Dumpling: | Ah |
| [15:57] | BugTest Dumpling: | Wait |
| [15:58] | Torley Linden: | *smiles at Lex's comments and notes that's a strong case for why Support would benefit more from PJIRA awareness.* |
| [15:58] | Bridie Linden: | we did sorry Squirrel |
| [15:58] | BugTest Dumpling: | For VWR-4989 I think that relates to another Bug |
| [15:58] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-5171[c] - Votes: 2 - First Look-Windlight: Hovertext on subprims stops prims from appearing to move |
| [15:58] | Daedalus Young: | their bandwidth sits at 0, so they're clearly not connected |
| [15:59] | Bridie Linden: | Good eye Daed |
| [15:59] | Torley Linden: | For VWR-5171, I suggest import and assign to Pastrami. |
| [15:59] | Daedalus Young: | thx Bridie |
| [15:59] | Bridie Linden: | will do for 5171 |
| [15:59] | Squirrel Wood: | I have seen that happen on a voting board I made which links and moves child prims |
| [15:59] | Torley Linden: | Thx Bridie. |
| [15:59] | BugTest Dumpling: | VWR-4989 |
| [15:59] | Bridie Linden: | can i get a volunteer to add comments to 4989? |
| [15:59] | Squirrel Wood: | they get updated and show up in the right positions eventually though |
| [16:00] | BugTest Dumpling: | That relates to VWR-4338 |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | Wow, that brings us to 4pm! |
| [16:00] | WarKirby Magojiro looks at 4989 | |
| [16:00] | Bridie Linden: | 19 issues today, good work! |
| [16:00] | Daedalus Young: | they could try clearing caches too |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | More gold sarts for all! |
| [16:01] | Torley Linden: | We are all made of sarts! |
| [16:01] | Daedalus Young: | you'd need a sart-particle poofer |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | Thx everyone! |
| [16:01] | BugTest Dumpling: | Can you Resolve VWR-4989 as Needs more Info please? |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | I can! |
| [16:01] | WarKirby Magojiro changed the issue title | |
| [16:01] | BugTest Dumpling: | Yay |
| [16:01] | Arawn Spitteler: | Sart seems to refer to City Dweller, but there's some debate as to whether it derives from Merchant or the Turkic for Dingo |
| [16:01] | Bridie Linden: | See all of you next week! |