Simulator User Group/Transcripts/2014.06.10

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List of Speakers

Adamburp Adamczyk Jenna Felton Kennylex Luckless
Lexbot Sinister Lucia Nightfire Minuet Voir
Mona Eberhardt Nalates Urriah Oz Linden
Qie Niangao Rex Cronon Simon Linden
Tankmaster Finesmith Yuzuru Jewell


[12:01] (whirly.fizzle): Heya!

[12:01] Jenna Felton: hi Whirly :)

[12:01] Simon Linden: Whirly's here, so we can get started :P

[12:01] (whirly.fizzle): o.O

[12:01] Simon Linden: This week deploys are blogged here :

[12:01] rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}

[12:02] Simon Linden: The RC servers will get updates and new releases tomorrow

[12:02] Simon Linden: The group ban server is probably the most interesting

[12:03] Tankmaster Finesmith: hi, sorry im late

[12:03] Simon Linden: since the other two are experience tools (which I don't have any news for) and the back-end inventory update

[12:03] Tankmaster Finesmith: is the backend inv for the AIS3 viewer? (aka sunshine)

[12:03] Simon Linden: So please give group bans a bit of exercise if you have a chance

[12:04] Adamburp Adamczyk: will do

[12:04] Simon Linden: I believe so, Tank ... I'm not familiar with the details on what was changed there

[12:05] Tankmaster Finesmith: ok, its looking like that viewer may be next for promotion

[12:05] Simon Linden: That's it for my news, so the floor's open for questions and topics

[12:05] Rex Cronon: AFK...............................

[12:05] Rex Cronon: afk 4 a few minutes

[12:05] (whirly.fizzle): The sunshine RC poofed from the list. Memshine is still there though.

[12:06] (whirly.fizzle): On

[12:06] Tankmaster Finesmith: yeah, can you fix the last few compile errors in our repo that are do to merging in intereist list? :P

[12:06] Simon Linden: right, there were a few things combined to cut down on the number of releases

[12:07] Simon Linden: oh, that question is easy ... no :P

[12:07] Tankmaster Finesmith: lol

[12:07] (whirly.fizzle): Aww theres only 1000 errors left :P

[12:07] Simon Linden: ouch, I hope they're the same one

[12:07] Tankmaster Finesmith: its down to under 40 now!

[12:08] (whirly.fizzle): o.O

[12:08] (whirly.fizzle): Cool

[12:08] Mona Eberhardt: Any news on that HTTP bomb that was mentioned last week?

[12:08] Tankmaster Finesmith: was 2,684 yesterday, with 1537 warnings

[12:08] Lucia Nightfire: only that its still going strong, heh

[12:08] Simon Linden: No Mona, nothing to report there

[12:08] Adamburp Adamczyk: waht http bomb?

[12:09] Adamburp Adamczyk wasn't her last week, was climbin a mountain

[12:11] Simon Linden: I have no hard evidence, but griefing activity seems to be up lately. Perhaps it's because it's summer vacation time

[12:11] Tankmaster Finesmith: the new openssl vulnerability you mean?

[12:11] Lucia Nightfire: I would say you're probably right

[12:11] (whirly.fizzle): heh yeah

[12:11] Mona Eberhardt: It's a new griefing tool that gets people disconnected via some sort of DDoS attack.

[12:11] Tankmaster Finesmith: skool is still in session here

[12:11] Lexbot Sinister: it's last week of school in sweden and kids got no homework to do. Will get better soon...

[12:12] Mona Eberhardt: Meh. I say feed every griefer fugu (the whole fish, with liver, ovaries and all) and you're done.

[12:13] Simon Linden: It's probably best if I don't make any statements on that :P

[12:13] Lucia Nightfire: Linden approved

[12:13] Tankmaster Finesmith: :D

[12:13] Adamburp Adamczyk: either that or try baker's decaff coffee trixck

[12:14] Jenna Felton: hi Oz

[12:14] Mona Eberhardt: Hi Oz.

[12:14] Adamburp Adamczyk: happy birthday Oz!

[12:14] Kennylex Luckless: Hia Oz.

[12:14] Rex Cronon: hello oz. your birthday?

[12:15] Simon Linden: Hi Oz - things are pretty quiet so please speak up if you have any announcements or news

[12:15] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): It is not his rezz day; that has passed by already

[12:15] Yuzuru Jewell: Hello, Oz.

[12:15] Oz Linden: Nothing much ... we should have a new Snowstorm viewer soon (trying to get a build for QA now) that I think scripters will like

[12:16] Jenna Felton: i have a question. A friend experiences a lag at her own sim, while others dont have lag there. And she has no lag on other's sim. What can it be? and how to find the reason?

[12:16] (whirly.fizzle): Will changes be in that Oz?

[12:16] JIRA-helper: [#STORM-2034] Support 'older than' when inventory filtering - Second Life Bug Tracker

[12:16] Oz Linden: no, that will be in the next batch

[12:16] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): That issue is needing you to test it first Whirly :)

[12:16] (whirly.fizzle): ahh okay

[12:17] (whirly.fizzle): lol I know, Jonathan has been griffing me ;)

[12:17] Oz Linden: This one will use the server hints for LSL syntax and help, and will allow you to configure your own colors for the LSL editor

[12:17] Lucia Nightfire: lmao

[12:18] Lucia Nightfire: very weird

[12:18] (whirly.fizzle): Cool! I saw Cinders had added the colour picker. She did that for FS a while ago, its popular

[12:18] Simon Linden: Hmmm Jenna ... if nobody else is experiencing it, that sounds like a viewer issue

[12:18] Jenna Felton: she says its a bad time lag

[12:18] Oz Linden: programmers like picking their own colors :-)

[12:18] (whirly.fizzle): bed time?

[12:18] Lucia Nightfire: what brougth that abotu though was mainly teh harsh bg color

[12:18] (whirly.fizzle): She on amc?

[12:18] Tankmaster Finesmith: @oz, will the new snowstorm have my installer changes?

[12:18] Lucia Nightfire: same as the nc bg

[12:19] (whirly.fizzle): *mac

[12:19] Jenna Felton: she is on windows 8

[12:19] Lucia Nightfire: I prefer a script window and notecard window background of anything but bright white

[12:20] Oz Linden: yes, tank

[12:20] Tankmaster Finesmith: ok ?

[12:20] (whirly.fizzle): Jenna, if she isn't on Linden viewer, get her to try on Linden with same settings. If shes on FS, get her to file a support JIRA giving location, sysinfo & logs.

[12:20] Jenna Felton: ok

[12:21] Lucia Nightfire: and check taht her badnwidht isn't set to 9001

[12:21] Tankmaster Finesmith: support jira with FS, not with LL, that is...

[12:21] Qie Niangao: This would be the change that only installs on odd-numbered Windows releases?

[12:21] Tankmaster Finesmith: odd number?

[12:21] Qie Niangao: sorry, old joke. Before your time, no doubt.

[12:22] (whirly.fizzle): If she happens to be on FS 4.6.1 64bit windows, get her to update 4.6.5 64bit. 4.6.1 64bit had some performance issues in certain locations but those are fixed on 4.6.5.

[12:22] Jenna Felton: ok, i will pas that over, thank you :)

[12:22] Tankmaster Finesmith: this is the change to block installing on 32bit XP SP2 and lower, as well as 64bit XP SP1 and lower, as well as blocking server 2003 SP1 and lower

[12:23] Oz Linden: thats the one

[12:23] (whirly.fizzle): Oh thats in the new snowstorm?

[12:23] Oz Linden: yup

[12:23] (whirly.fizzle): Dont tell Rex lol

[12:23] Tankmaster Finesmith: it will also add a message at the end of the isntaller that it is recomended to update to the latest service pack on vista and win7, if they are not installed

[12:23] Oz Linden: finally :-(

[12:25] Rex Cronon: lets see when it happens to u, or somebody u care, if u still think its funny:)

[12:26] Tankmaster Finesmith: oh, dont worry, i do :P

[12:27] Tankmaster Finesmith thinks he is now on rex's shyt list :D

[12:28] Rex Cronon: u r not expecting a thank u. r u:)

[12:28] Tankmaster Finesmith: haha, no, not really

[12:29] Rex Cronon: don't worry. u r not the first that has ever had a stroke of "genius" :\)

[12:29] Rex Cronon: :)

[12:30] Tankmaster Finesmith: though if LL does deside to update the visual studio tool they use. that likely would mean no XP support at all

[12:30] (whirly.fizzle): Building on 2012 breaks XP?

[12:31] Tankmaster Finesmith: 2013 did

[12:31] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): Does anyone still compile on XP?

[12:31] Tankmaster Finesmith: buit i think MS readded support, and im not sure if VS14 still supports building on XP or not

[12:31] (whirly.fizzle): Dont know anyone that does

[12:31] Simon Linden: Not at LL, no

[12:32] (whirly.fizzle): Can compile on Vista fine. My old rig was Vista

[12:32] Oz Linden: Right now we're doing our builds on Win7, but we probably should update that too

[12:32] Tankmaster Finesmith: VS14 is brining in a lot of c++14 support with it

[12:32] Oz Linden: it wouldn't do for us to be that caught up :-)

[12:34] Rex Cronon: it still runs on xp, even if is not compiled 4 it. doesn't it? why is the need to tell users: i don't like your os. go take a hike:(

[12:34] Tankmaster Finesmith: theres some compatibility issues with VS1020 on win8, but it doesnt seem to affect building the viewer on it

[12:35] Mona Eberhardt: Rex... XP will be a huge vulnerability for everyone next year.

[12:35] Tankmaster Finesmith: 2010*

[12:35] (whirly.fizzle): Oz, please can get comitted? That error was driving me potty till I found that fix

[12:35] JIRA-helper: [#OPEN-217] Change to media_plugin_quicktime.cpp causes Windows compile to fail - Second Life Bug Tracker

[12:35] Rex Cronon: come on. u believe everything M$ says:)

[12:36] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): Whirly, you can still compile fine, just ignore that error

[12:36] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): Unless you are on the command line and that error causes the process to barf...dunno if that is the case

[12:36] (whirly.fizzle): I don't like building in VS though I use command line & it just falls over & dies

[12:36] (whirly.fizzle): I nevr open VS if I don't have to :P

[12:37] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): The fix for open-217 is in one of my recent STORM commits, so unless Oz removes it it will get in "by accident"

[12:37] (whirly.fizzle): Ok cool

[12:38] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): That was before I realized I could ignore that error

[12:38] (whirly.fizzle): Well, you sort of can but no media

[12:38] (whirly.fizzle): & you can't build on command line

[12:39] Tankmaster Finesmith: command line is so 80s :P

[12:39] Oz Linden: I'll integrate it

[12:39] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): no loss on the media, unless you are testing some change that needs it

[12:41] Simon Linden: Well ... things seem pretty quiet this week, at least here. If there aren't any questions or topics, maybe we should end the meeting a little early

[12:42] Tankmaster Finesmith: ok

[12:43] Simon Linden: I can hang out for a bit but will put my attention into another window

[12:43] (whirly.fizzle): o/

[12:44] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): Whirls, check you IM

[12:44] (whirly.fizzle): Hurry up Tank :P

[12:46] Lucia Nightfire: no news on anything coming down the pipe?

[12:47] Simon Linden: No, nothing we can discuss yet

[12:47] Tankmaster Finesmith: looks like we should be able to get the remaining errors fixed today, so thats a good thing

[12:47] Tankmaster Finesmith: so yes, but simmon would have to kill us :P

[12:48] Simon Linden: I'd just turn you into a hamster

[12:48] Lucia Nightfire: as lon g as its nto feature locked into a half potential status due to no feeedback from the content creator community

[12:48] Lucia Nightfire: I always encourage engaging content creators in case something significant is overlooked

[12:49] Simon Linden: btw, has anyone tried posting a picture to your profile feed? It seems to be broken

[12:49] (whirly.fizzle): Again?

[12:49] (whirly.fizzle): Trying

[12:49] Simon Linden: That was my reaction too

[12:49] Nalates Urriah: not recently...

[12:50] (whirly.fizzle): Posting......

[12:50] Simon Linden: I had mine stuck in "processing"

[12:50] (whirly.fizzle): Failed to upload

[12:50] Minuet Voir: There have been a small number of complaints in Firestorm Support this past week about that.

[12:50] (whirly.fizzle): 2014-06-10T19:50:36Z WARNING: newview/llwebprofile.cpp(180) : LLWebProfileResponders::PostImageResponder::completedHeader: Unexpected POST status: 499 STATUS_EXPIRED

[12:50] Mona Eberhardt: Honestly, Simon, the feeds are broken beyond fix and not merely on a technical level.

[12:51] Simon Linden: which means the upload was OK, but the back-end part that wires it into the profile is bad

[12:51] (whirly.fizzle): Im on FS though

[12:51] (whirly.fizzle): TRying again

[12:52] (whirly.fizzle): Posted

[12:52] (whirly.fizzle): Waiting for processing

[12:52] Simon Linden: That's where mine got stuck

[12:52] Rex Cronon: u see. the ll servers don't like OS version that was used to send the pictures. that is why it doesn't allow them;)

[12:52] (whirly.fizzle): I had one get stuck at processing the other day but 2 posted okay after that

[12:52] Lucia Nightfire: get off teh toaster Rex

[12:53] (whirly.fizzle): Ive noticed if I try to send really large size shots it often gets stuck processing

[12:53] Rex Cronon: why don't u get off your high horse:)

[12:53] Simon Linden: Mine were 640x480 so it couldn't have been size

[12:53] Lucia Nightfire: whoa nilly

[12:53] Nalates Urriah: I'm using 3.7.9 (290582) and it shows 'processing' too.

[12:53] (whirly.fizzle): Hmmm should have processed by now

[12:54] Simon Linden: well, we probably just piled on even more work for it :)

[12:56] (whirly.fizzle): "You have 3 snapshots being processed. "

[12:56] Nalates Urriah: Well, tried different settings... now I have 3 processing.

[12:56] Tankmaster Finesmith: "You have 2348655893 snapshots being processed"

[12:56] Tankmaster Finesmith: humm, oops

[12:56] (whirly.fizzle): Yeah it seems stuck. If they don't process in a couple mins they usually dont

[12:56] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): that is the trouble

[12:57] Kennylex Luckless: The void pit for lost snapshots.

[12:57] Tankmaster Finesmith: lol

[12:57] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): I am surprised there is no region called Tumbolia

[12:57] Qie Niangao: I think it's quaint. Like a photo lab with chemicals and all. None of this new-fangled Polaroid stuff for us!

[12:58] (whirly.fizzle): hehe

[12:58] Minuet Voir: lol

[12:58] (whirly.fizzle): I still use a film camera!

[12:58] Calcite (calcite.serendipity): Can you still get film developed?

[12:58] (whirly.fizzle): I develop my own

[12:58] Tankmaster Finesmith: yes

[12:58] Mona Eberhardt: I used to do so, Whirly... But now I barely have the time.

[12:58] (whirly.fizzle): Thats the fun party

[12:58] (whirly.fizzle): *part

[12:58] Tankmaster Finesmith: costco still does it

[12:59] Simon Linden: Thanks everyone for coming today and the conversation. I'll see you next time


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