User:Andrew Linden/Office Hours/2008 11 06
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Transcript of Andrew Linden's office hours:
| [17:09] | Andrew Linden: | Hey everyone. |
| [17:09] | Simon Linden: | they're interesting |
| [17:09] | Siobhan McCallen: | other than fall on us and repeat what we sy in hovertext, not really |
| [17:09] | Rex Cronon: | hi andrew |
| [17:09] | Sindy Tsure thinks this may be a good time to detach her rezzer thing before we end up in a herd of sheep | |
| [17:09] | Arawn Spitteler: | Hi, Andrew, be careful not to ask a bout Sheep, when in God Mode. |
| [17:09] | Andrew Linden: | I got sidetracked trying to fix a floor at one of the Welcome Area's |
| [17:09] | Siobhan McCallen: | hello Andrew |
| [17:09] | Sindy Tsure: | heya andrew |
| [17:09] | Andrew Linden: | but I only messed it up insttead |
| [17:09] | Siobhan McCallen: | good idea sindy |
| [17:09] | Sindy Tsure: | d'oh |
| [17:09] | Maggie Darwin: | sheep sheep sheep, that's all anybody talks about |
| [17:10] | Rex Cronon: | in some sims these thing would be considered spam at best and griefing at worst |
| [17:10] | Arawn Spitteler: | Something that would be nice, is a relative rezzer. |
| [17:10] | Siobhan McCallen: | only if it landed on your head |
| [17:10] | Maggie Darwin: | I have too many relatives already |
| [17:10] | Arawn Spitteler: | It's only grievous, when the Spam runs dry. |
| [17:10] | Siobhan McCallen: | i hate dry spam. I prefer mine crispy |
| [17:10] | Sindy Tsure: | magic rezzers are always tricky.. most of the things mine rez are temp but they also have a timer that llDie's after 10 sceonds or so |
| [17:11] | Sindy Tsure: | fine line between funny and spam :) |
| [17:11] | Andrew Linden: | ok, so what is up with the little falling objects with floating text? |
| [17:11] | Sindy Tsure: | though i still like maggies chat thing |
| [17:11] | Siobhan McCallen: | random silliness |
| [17:11] | Sindy Tsure nods | |
| [17:11] | Maggie Darwin: | Hmm? What thing? |
| [17:11] | Andrew Linden: | Oh ok. |
| [17:11] | Maggie Darwin: | I killed iot |
| [17:11] | Maggie Darwin: | it |
| [17:12] | Siobhan McCallen: | and I don't see a thing. that's mys tory and I'm sticking to it |
| [17:12] | Maggie Darwin: | She said sheepishly |
| [17:12] | Sindy Tsure: | so.. this is the pricing policy meeting, right? |
| [17:12] | Sindy Tsure hides under the table | |
| [17:12] | Andrew Linden: | Haha Sindy |
| [17:12] | Siobhan McCallen pulls out a very large trout | |
| [17:12] | Arawn Spitteler wonders how much a policy would cost. | |
| [17:12] | Andrew Linden: | I really haven't been paying attention to the openspace stuff |
| [17:12] | Sindy Tsure waits for the 'logged out by admin' message | |
| [17:12] | Sindy Tsure: | lucky you, andrew! |
| [17:12] | Maggie Darwin: | Actually, I was very favorably impressed with what M had to say. |
| [17:13] | Andrew Linden: | I got an email from someone asking about possible features/workarounds/changes to openspaces |
| [17:13] | Siobhan McCallen: | don't, andrew...save yourself! |
| [17:13] | Andrew Linden: | and it was only through the questions being asked that I learned about some various price / avatar limit / performance gradations that are in the proposal stage, or else officially announced |
| [17:14] | Andrew Linden: | I'm not even sure. |
| [17:14] | Andrew Linden: | I've been very "heads down" in the code |
| [17:14] | Sindy Tsure: | sorta 1/2 announced, i think |
| [17:14] | Andrew Linden: | and just delete all my emails about the subject |
| [17:14] | Sindy Tsure: | still some tbd's in there |
| [17:14] | Simon Linden: | yeah, the details aren't out yet |
| [17:14] | Arawn Spitteler: | People who actually want to use their Open Space, will have it priced as Homestead. |
| [17:14] | Siobhan McCallen: | half announced over the sound of the wailing and gnashing of teeth |
| [17:15] | Sindy Tsure: | i had an openspace question, tho not related to the pricing stuff |
| [17:15] | Maggie Darwin: | "actually use" being defined as "use far beyond the original intention" |
| [17:15] | Andrew Linden: | As I said in my response to the email... My preference is that we get rid of openspaces and instead throw a team at optimizing the simulator to allow lots of avatars and much better script performance |
| [17:15] | Andrew Linden: | then drop region prices across the board |
| [17:16] | Andrew Linden: | but I doubt that is going to happen... not enough people to throw at the project |
| [17:16] | Simon Linden: | I think there's a place for them as cheaper, lower capactiy regions, but it really needs to be well defined |
| [17:16] | Andrew Linden: | Here's an idea I had... |
| [17:16] | Maggie Darwin: | I have a project like that where I work. Not enough time to do right, somehow find time to do over |
| [17:16] | Sindy Tsure: | does it involve sheep? |
| [17:16] | Arawn Spitteler: | Charge 1/8 price, but charge for uses? |
| [17:16] | Andrew Linden: | what if the monthly price of the region was a function of max_avatar_count and max_prim_count? |
| [17:17] | Andrew Linden: | Then we would let the region owners set their limits |
| [17:17] | Arawn Spitteler: | Do't forget scripts |
| [17:17] | Andrew Linden: | and charge them a sliding scale... low limits would correspond to a low price |
| [17:17] | Maggie Darwin: | In general, computer performance is a black art. Too black for most residents to reason about successfully. |
| [17:17] | Rex Cronon: | so if i had 1 prim and one avatar, i would pay 2USD:) |
| [17:17] | Andrew Linden: | yeah... we would probably have to implement script limits too, so the region owners could pick that too |
| [17:18] | Maggie Darwin: | M has already promised you *will* have script limits |
| [17:18] | Arawn Spitteler: | Did you see what happened at Burning Life? |
| [17:18] | Simon Linden: | All scripts aren't created equal, however. They can have a wide range of impact, so I (personally) don't like the 'X number of scripts" limit |
| [17:18] | Maggie Darwin: | I didn;t see anyting happen a Burning Life, The lag was too bad |
| [17:18] | Andrew Linden: | Well Rex, the formula could be something like: base_price + A * avatar_limit + B * prim_limit + C * script_limit |
| [17:18] | Sindy Tsure: | wouldn't that cause a _ton_ of really cheap sims to be ordered for oceans? |
| [17:18] | Maggie Darwin: | And then I crashed. Repeatedly |
| [17:19] | Andrew Linden: | Perhaps Sindy |
| [17:19] | Siobhan McCallen: | Is the issue prim count, or is it actual server load? |
| [17:19] | Sindy Tsure likes the idea, andrew.. think there may be tricky bits on keeping the hosts busy enough but not too busy | |
| [17:19] | Siobhan McCallen: | what REALLY loads a server? |
| [17:19] | Andrew Linden: | one reason for doing that would be to give region owners incentives to optimize |
| [17:19] | Andrew Linden: | but also would allow them to pick how much they wanted (pay for what you use) |
| [17:20] | Rex Cronon: | andrew, u should have been with jack when he asked user input about the new prices |
| [17:20] | Maggie Darwin: | Funny how the incentives always seem to lead the tools |
| [17:20] | Andrew Linden: | then we could try to group the low-resource regions accordingly on the simulator host machines |
| [17:20] | Andrew Linden: | (that is the hard part) |
| [17:20] | Arawn Spitteler: | Hi, Ella, we're discussing forbidden subjects |
| [17:20] | Sindy Tsure: | desmond suggested somehting with the same sort of goal.. he wanted his sims to be all on the same host so he could manage the load better |
| [17:21] | Sindy Tsure: | depending on what they were going to be used for |
| [17:21] | Sindy Tsure: | ..without impacting other sims on that core, since that was one of the big reasons jack gave for the price change |
| [17:21] | Arawn Spitteler: | That idea has some popularity, but it requires design of a different allocation algorhythm |
| [17:21] | Maggie Darwin: | Back when they were sold four at a time, they *were* all on the same CPU |
| [17:21] | Andrew Linden: | We don't currently do such region grouping by region owner |
| [17:21] | Sindy Tsure: | yep.. and rolling restarts take down your estate.. |
| [17:21] | Andrew Linden: | that is, grouping them on host machines |
| [17:22] | Maggie Darwin: | I know two adjacent full sims that are clearly in different colos |
| [17:22] | Maggie Darwin: | because you take your life in your hands trying to cross |
| [17:22] | Andrew Linden: | No Maggie, the regions use a "fall as they may" scheme when it comes to the actual machine hosting them |
| [17:22] | Sindy Tsure: | i think LL wants things near on the grid to be far on the hardware |
| [17:23] | Sindy Tsure: | or not-near anyway |
| [17:23] | Simon Linden: | We actually want the hardware to not matter, but reality strikes back |
| [17:23] | Andrew Linden: | there are some technical reasons why region grouping by nearby hardware would be a good thing |
| [17:23] | Arawn Spitteler: | There should be some examination of usage trends, so fred can party while joe's at work |
| [17:23] | Sindy Tsure: | hardware is just a necessary evil to run the software, simon |
| [17:23] | Sindy Tsure: | shared cache! |
| [17:23] | Andrew Linden: | but it is just easier to let the cards just fall where they will |
| [17:23] | Maggie Darwin: | That quickly becomes an impondeable linear programming problem |
| [17:24] | Maggie Darwin: | I'm involved in similar work on a Java bladecenter cluster |
| [17:24] | Sindy Tsure gets the phone.. brb | |
| [17:25] | Siobhan McCallen: | does prim count *alone* heavily load a region? |
| [17:25] | Siobhan McCallen: | say, if I rez just static prims? |
| [17:25] | Simon Linden: | Rezzing in particular adds load - the new object has to be integrated into the world, and that's slow |
| [17:25] | Andrew Linden: | sorta, there is a cost per static prim |
| [17:25] | Arawn Spitteler: | Then, if one estate owner could rent by server, he could do the anticipation and negotiations. "You get to party between..." |
| [17:26] | Andrew Linden: | smaller than per-dynamic prim |
| [17:26] | Maggie Darwin: | But once it stabilizes... |
| [17:26] | Andrew Linden: | and moving dynamic prims are even more expensive |
| [17:26] | Andrew Linden: | but not all prims are created equal |
| [17:26] | Simon Linden: | But it varies greatly by the type - a cube has a lot fewer triangles that some oddly twisted torus |
| [17:26] | Siobhan McCallen: | so...if it has physics, it has a higher cost. and if it's scripted it's a higher cost, and if it has particles or sound, it's a higher cost. |
| [17:26] | Sindy Tsure: | and people tping in with attachments counts as rezzing? |
| [17:26] | Siobhan McCallen: | things the server has to poll to generate, right? |
| [17:26] | Andrew Linden: | yeah, but floating the cost would be complicated |
| [17:27] | Simon Linden: | yeah, I've looked at the TP arrival problem - the biggest slowdown there is our XML parser |
| [17:27] | Andrew Linden: | (that is, using floats for cost instead of integers) |
| [17:27] | Maggie Darwin chokes | |
| [17:27] | Sindy Tsure: | eXpensive Markup Language? |
| [17:27] | Simon Linden: | yep |
| [17:27] | Maggie Darwin: | You serialize object to XML? |
| [17:27] | Maggie Darwin: | Holy shit |
| [17:27] | Simon Linden: | Don't look at me - wasn't my idea :) |
| [17:27] | Sindy Tsure: | lol |
| [17:27] | Sindy Tsure: | er.. before i laugh, was it andrews? |
| [17:27] | Sindy Tsure: | idea? |
| [17:27] | Simon Linden: | I'm actually going to look at changing that for TPs in the next few months - we have an alternative binary format |
| [17:28] | Siobhan McCallen: | I ask because I went to an OS region and rezzed a 2000-prim static build, and while it took a little while to instantiate, once stable, all it added was .1ms of sim time |
| [17:28] | Andrew Linden: | We used to have a more svelt format |
| [17:28] | Andrew Linden: | but someone switched to XML |
| [17:28] | Maggie Darwin: | *cough*ProtoBuffs*cough* |
| [17:28] | Sindy Tsure had an openspace question.. | |
| [17:28] | Maggie Darwin: | Only one? |
| [17:28] | Sindy Tsure: | is the openspace/full sim code identical? |
| [17:28] | Sindy Tsure: | but config'ed differently? |
| [17:28] | Andrew Linden: | yes Sindy. |
| [17:29] | Sindy Tsure: | or maybe some #ifdef differences? |
| [17:29] | Simon Linden: | We've looked at them - protobufs would be good. It's a possibility if our binary format isn't fast enough |
| [17:29] | Maggie Darwin: | Bad enough to have one version.. :-) |
| [17:29] | Andrew Linden: | same code, different limits |
| [17:29] | Sindy Tsure: | so just config.. ok.. ty! |
| [17:29] | Maggie Darwin: | You have a binary format in development? |
| [17:29] | Andrew Linden: | in fact, all of our server hosts are same code across the board, different configs |
| [17:30] | Simon Linden: | There's been one around for a while -- I haven't used it or checked out the performance |
| [17:30] | Andrew Linden: | the db servers have the same code image as our simulator hosts, as our web servers |
| [17:30] | Sindy Tsure blinks | |
| [17:30] | Sindy Tsure: | asset servers run sims? |
| [17:30] | Sindy Tsure: | or do you mean OS image? |
| [17:30] | Andrew Linden: | oh... the asset servers are special, I forgot about them |
| [17:31] | Sindy Tsure picks presense servers instead | |
| [17:31] | Andrew Linden: | and I think some of our database machines are silver or coper-plated hardware... a slight step up from the bronze-plated, or nickel simulator hosts |
| [17:32] | Sindy Tsure: | are you making that up? |
| [17:32] | Andrew Linden: | but the software installed is the exact same |
| [17:32] | Rex Cronon: | too bad u don't have gold plate, as people like bling:) |
| [17:32] | Sindy Tsure: | shiny! |
| [17:32] | Andrew Linden: | what I mean is... "gold plated hardware" are Very Expensive Machine's... IBM mainfraims and things like that |
| [17:32] | Sindy Tsure: | oh... |
| [17:33] | Andrew Linden: | I consider the asset servers to be "silver plated hardware" |
| [17:33] | Sindy Tsure: | lol.. ok |
| [17:33] | Andrew Linden: | pretty expensive, but not the most |
| [17:33] | Andrew Linden: | copper plated would be 3-U servers with backup power supplies and RAID or something fancy |
| [17:33] | Sindy Tsure pictured prospero with a little scrap metal business on the side.. | |
| [17:33] | Simon Linden: | We did recently have some experimental stuff running on 8-core / 16GB machines and it was fast :) |
| [17:33] | Andrew Linden: | nickel or bronze would be cheap 1U pizzaboxen |
| [17:34] | Siobhan McCallen: | level 5 RAID, special cooling... |
| [17:34] | Sindy Tsure: | oh.. is that the class 6 hosts that the rumors are starting on? |
| [17:34] | Sindy Tsure: | er.. scratch that question.. i can wait for jack to announce them.. :) |
| [17:35] | Sindy Tsure: | 1.25 sim still on track for next week? |
| [17:35] | Siobhan McCallen: | brb |
| [17:35] | Andrew Linden: | Uh... server-1.25 |
| [17:35] | Sindy Tsure nods | |
| [17:36] | Andrew Linden: | there were two new bugs in it I was supposed to look at today... haven't got to it yet :-( |
| [17:36] | Andrew Linden: | but I don't think they are blockers |
| [17:36] | Andrew Linden: | lemme check my email |
| [17:36] | Maggie Darwin: | I just found out that the Inner Strength HUD....successor to Force Powers...appears to be unable to shut off an attack once launched in 1.25 |
| [17:37] | Maggie Darwin: | I'm working the issue with the developer, who is mostlly in absentia |
| [17:37] | Sindy Tsure: | unable to shut off an attach? |
| [17:37] | Sindy Tsure: | *attack |
| [17:37] | Andrew Linden: | looks like server-1.25 is still on target for next week. |
| [17:37] | Arawn Spitteler: | Have you tried basic benchmarking? |
| [17:38] | Maggie Darwin: | Sindy ....yeah...for instance |
| [17:38] | Maggie Darwin: | See the halo? |
| [17:38] | Maggie Darwin: | Now it's gone. |
| [17:38] | Maggie Darwin: | On 1.25 I can;t make it go away |
| [17:39] | Andrew Linden: | Maggie, sounds like you should file a bug and try to get the attention of one of the 1.25 team. |
| [17:39] | Arawn Spitteler: | Could be an interest list problem, or price of tea problem. Did you ask anouther, if it was a local appearence? |
| [17:39] | Andrew Linden: | A copy of the problem object is going to be needed to reproduce the problem. |
| [17:39] | Maggie Darwin: | Well, I don't own the code. I filed a report with the builder |
| [17:39] | Andrew Linden: | Ah ok |
| [17:39] | Siobhan McCallen: | back |
| [17:39] | Maggie Darwin: | /emote biobreak |
| [17:39] | Maggie Darwin: | Biobreak! |
| [17:40] | Siobhan McCallen: | the push issues appear to be fixed in 1.25 |
| [17:40] | Siobhan McCallen: | and collisions |
| [17:40] | Andrew Linden: | the bullet hits? or scripted pushes? |
| [17:41] | Siobhan McCallen: | actually, both. |
| [17:41] | Andrew Linden: | I think I saw some of the comments on some of those "fix pending" bugs |
| [17:41] | Sindy Tsure just wants the wobbly camera bug to get fixed! that's been torturing me this week for some reason | |
| [17:41] | Andrew Linden: | and the tests looked good |
| [17:41] | Siobhan McCallen: | the push cap to zero is not capping to zero anymore |
| [17:41] | Siobhan McCallen: | and bullets are hitting well |
| [17:41] | Andrew Linden: | I think I got one verify on the camera oscillation bug |
| [17:41] | Siobhan McCallen: | yes, breathing camera is fixed too |
| [17:42] | Siobhan McCallen: | I haven't *seen* an instance of attachments appearing and disappearing while sitting, either |
| [17:42] | Maggie Darwin: | I have to dash...Sio's gonna cover the rest of this for us. |
| [17:42] | Sindy Tsure: | actually being gone or just not visible? |
| [17:42] | Sindy Tsure: | cya, maggie |
| [17:42] | Siobhan McCallen: | just going invisible |
| [17:42] | Siobhan McCallen: | happens primarily on poseballs |
| [17:43] | Sindy Tsure: | i think that's a known vwr bug.. zooming in a bit for a second fixes it up |
| [17:43] | Siobhan McCallen: | doesn't fix it permanently. moving the cam around yourself makes them appear and disappear |
| [17:43] | Sindy Tsure will believe that | |
| [17:44] | Siobhan McCallen: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8920 |
| [17:44] | Siobhan McCallen: | prospero says 1.22 viewer is supposed to fix it |
| [17:44] | Sindy Tsure thinks it's been 3-4 weeks since she's mentioned http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-22 | |
| [17:45] | Siobhan McCallen: | but I can't verify it, of course |
| [17:45] | Arawn Spitteler: | Which is SVC-22? |
| [17:45] | Siobhan McCallen: | parcel limits, vehicles, and border crossings |
| [17:45] | Sindy Tsure: | that's vehicles going all weird if you cross a sim boundary and the parcel on the other side is full |
| [17:45] | Arawn Spitteler: | Oh, yes, I keep suggesting that Andrew take a road trip |
| [17:46] | Andrew Linden: | ah yes, SVC-22 one of my favorites |
| [17:46] | Siobhan McCallen: | it's what causes you to get unseated and leave a vehicle in the air over a full parcel that you can't kill |
| [17:46] | Arawn Spitteler: | Start at Tulup Tree, and hang a west at Neumogen |
| [17:46] | Sindy Tsure: | vehicles are a special case - they shouldn't get bounced on a full parcel and don't, unless you're crossing to a different sim |
| [17:46] | Sindy Tsure: | it just appears to be there, i think.. a relog makes it go away |
| [17:46] | Siobhan McCallen: | normally, when you hit a full parcel, you see "x sims seated on, will delete on stand" or some such |
| [17:47] | Siobhan McCallen: | but not on a sim crossing. on a crossing to a full parcel, you get booted off the vehicle and the vehicle sits in the sky |
| [17:47] | Andrew Linden: | someday I'll be able to start on SVC-22 |
| [17:47] | Arawn Spitteler: | Temps and Vehicles aren't even supposed to be counted, for the parcel |
| [17:47] | Andrew Linden: | hrm... |
| [17:48] | Andrew Linden: | I thought it was sim-crossing into parcel in which you're not allowed |
| [17:48] | Andrew Linden: | boots the avatar |
| [17:48] | Andrew Linden: | but leaves the vehicle |
| [17:48] | Sindy Tsure: | could be.. i think that happens within a sim, too |
| [17:48] | Andrew Linden: | or is it... cross into region that is "avatar full" |
| [17:48] | Arawn Spitteler: | That's just a normal accdess line orbiting |
| [17:48] | Sindy Tsure: | svc-22 is really about full parcels, i think |
| [17:49] | Andrew Linden: | vehicle continues but leave avatar in the neighbor region |
| [17:49] | Siobhan McCallen: | there's another issue of ban lines. |
| [17:49] | Siobhan McCallen: | they shouldn't be bouncing the av off the vehicle and leaving the vehicle in the air either |
| [17:49] | Arawn Spitteler: | Noobs shouldn't have to be orbited, when their vehicles are stolen |
| [17:49] | Siobhan McCallen: | similar, but not svc-22 |
| [17:50] | Siobhan McCallen: | a lot of the vehicle continuing with the avatar in the original region are caused by expired region handoffs |
| [17:50] | Sindy Tsure: | #2 in the description of svc-22 is the one i've been thinking of |
| [17:50] | Arawn Spitteler: | "Can not region cross into banned parcel," does that take vehicles? |
| [17:50] | Sindy Tsure: | "2. Some of the time, usually with a full parcel, it's not checking whether the vehicle is a vehicle (vehicles are supposed to be counted against sim overhead, not the current parcel) and starting the return process, then abandoning it partway through." |
| [17:51] | Siobhan McCallen: | if you tp into the region with the vehicle quickly enough, you are still "sitting" in it, and will arrive back on the vehicle |
| [17:51] | Andrew Linden: | Ah ok I get it |
| [17:51] | Andrew Linden: | right... the vehicle crosses first, avatar arrives shortly after |
| [17:51] | Siobhan McCallen: | but that's not svc-22, that's a region handoff problem, mostly because the destination sim is in a colo |
| [17:51] | Andrew Linden: | so for a brief moment the "vehicle" has no seated avatar |
| [17:52] | Andrew Linden: | and the parcel count code determines that it is a "regular object" |
| [17:52] | Siobhan McCallen: | if the timing isn't right, the av ends up in limbo, still "seated" but not in the same region as the vehicle |
| [17:52] | Arawn Spitteler: | The vehicle is a linked object, and should have the Primatar as a link. |
| [17:52] | Sindy Tsure: | it goes very weird.. |
| [17:52] | Siobhan McCallen: | you can't stand up, you can't move. all you can do is teleport |
| [17:52] | Andrew Linden: | well... seated avatars are not sent with the vehicle. the two are separated and sent via different paths |
| [17:53] | Andrew Linden: | region crossings need work |
| [17:53] | Sindy Tsure: | nothing in the vehicle says "i've got somebody on me"? |
| [17:53] | Siobhan McCallen: | they aren't rejoining. |
| [17:53] | Andrew Linden: | sigh... you guys know that these office hours just make me anxious, right? |
| [17:53] | Sindy Tsure: | or is that just implied? |
| [17:53] | Andrew Linden: | so many bugs, so little time |
| [17:53] | Siobhan McCallen: | sindy...it still thinks you are. if you tp into the region with the vehicle, you appear sitting back in the vehicle |
| [17:53] | Sindy Tsure: | have a sheep, andrew! no worries |
| [17:53] | Arawn Spitteler: | Take a road trip, and relax. |
| [17:54] | Siobhan McCallen: | andrew...we understand, really. |
| [17:54] | Sindy Tsure: | oops.. that didn't work well.. lol |
| [17:54] | Andrew Linden: | sindy, perhaps your little wand should trigger on the mention of "bug" |
| [17:54] | Siobhan McCallen: | It's not you, it's Murphy's Law of Cybernetic Entomology |
| [17:54] | Sindy Tsure: | lol |
| [17:54] | Andrew Linden: | then we'd have little bugs dropping constantly at these offiice hours |
| [17:54] | Sindy Tsure: | don't tempt me |
| [17:54] | Siobhan McCallen: | "There's always one more bug" |
| [17:54] | Simon Linden: | Let's have one for 'lag' as well |
| [17:54] | Arawn Spitteler: | Bugs could be vehicles, and I know just the route. |
| [17:55] | Siobhan McCallen: | uh oh. |
| [17:55] | Siobhan McCallen: | the bugs from the movie "Runaway" |
| [17:55] | Sindy Tsure: | bugs are actually on my list.. i have some bees already but they need work |
| [17:55] | Siobhan McCallen: | little robot spiders with Gene Simmons controlling 'em |
| [17:56] | Sindy Tsure: | lol |
| [17:56] | Andrew Linden: | This office hour is almost over. Anybody have some questions or issues you're holding on to for the last minute? |
| [17:56] | Sindy Tsure: | ok.. now i rmember that movie |
| [17:56] | Sindy Tsure doesn't! | |
| [17:56] | Arawn Spitteler: | SVC-2931, is Jahar being as much a jerk as I imagine? |
| [17:56] | Andrew Linden: | I'm just making it a habit to ask. |
| [17:56] | Siobhan McCallen: | I want an indulgence to orbit anyone who uses the term "bait and switch" incorrectly anymore |
| [17:56] | Rex Cronon: | can llsetdamage() accept negative values that increase your life:) |
| [17:57] | Sindy Tsure: | or llGiveMoney with negative numbers!! |
| [17:57] | Andrew Linden: | I'll see if I can hardcode that into the simulator Siobhan |
| [17:57] | Siobhan McCallen: | works for me |
| [17:57] | Arawn Spitteler: | That should be an optino for the sim owner, but was taken away, at some point |
| [17:57] | Siobhan McCallen: | give yourself a sheep out of petty cash |
| [17:57] | Sindy Tsure: | lol |
| [17:58] | Arawn Spitteler: | Some medical procedure would be nice, but many games are setting their own damage counts. |
| [17:59] | Sindy Tsure: | i've seen medical stuff in sl.. it's usually a bit.. er.. much, i think |
| [17:59] | Siobhan McCallen: | have an option for damage regions to do something other than send someone home, settable by the parcel |
| [17:59] | Siobhan McCallen: | like run an animation |
| [17:59] | Rex Cronon: | and another function to get the life value |
| [18:00] | Andrew Linden: | Hrm... that would be kinda cool... a custom death anim |
| [18:00] | Sindy Tsure: | and functions to get more info about groups/roles! |
| [18:00] | Arawn Spitteler: | Yes, llTeleportAgent. If the fear is of griefers, it should be limited to parcel or sim owners |
| [18:00] | Rex Cronon: | that isn't so hard. or it is:) |
| [18:00] | Siobhan McCallen: | wouldn't need 10,000 blasted combat huds and the damn politics around 'em |
| [18:00] | Siobhan McCallen: | since mostly what they don't like is being sent home |
| [18:00] | Andrew Linden: | probaby not too hard Rex |
| [18:00] | Andrew Linden: | the hardest part would be to provide the UI for the region/estate owners for setting it |
| [18:01] | Arawn Spitteler: | Maybe we could set up parcel scripting? |
| [18:01] | Andrew Linden: | per parcel scripting might be cool |
| [18:01] | Siobhan McCallen: | give some new options to the militaries and combat people |
| [18:02] | Arawn Spitteler: | I've always wondered, why not script the Primatoars and Clients, but Sims and Parcels should also be scriptable. |
| [18:02] | Andrew Linden: | I'll bet there are some "low hanging fruit" on the "make combat systems easier/better" front |
| [18:02] | Rex Cronon: | i guess somebody should make a jira entry requesting that, i wonder how many would vote:) |
| [18:03] | Siobhan McCallen: | maybe I'll have an alt suggest it so I don't get assassinated. ;) |
| [18:03] | Andrew Linden: | however... any feature at all seems out of reach right now... as soon as I'm done with this one project I'm going to go into "fix bugs" mode for a few weeks |
| [18:03] | Sindy Tsure: | :) |
| [18:03] | Arawn Spitteler: | TPAgent, would be a start. And I still think Forced TP is enough of a G-Team function, to be appropriate for Estate Holders. |
| [18:03] | Siobhan McCallen: | oh, I know it would be a "someday" thing |
| [18:03] | Simon Linden: | I have to bail out - RL intervenes. Thanks to everyone for coming, it was good to see you |
| [18:03] | Siobhan McCallen: | my birthday's in April. :) |
| [18:03] | Andrew Linden: | That isn't really parcel scripting so much as more per-parcel settings |
| [18:03] | Rex Cronon: | bye simon |
| [18:04] | Simon Linden: | bye |
| [18:04] | Sindy Tsure: | there will always be bugs, andrew.. i still really like the idea of a handful of devs doing a couple week of low-hanging-fruit enhancements |
| [18:04] | Siobhan McCallen: | see ya Simin |
| [18:04] | Siobhan McCallen: | Simon |
| [18:04] | Sindy Tsure: | cya, simon! |
| [18:04] | Andrew Linden: | and stuff like that maybe needs to be also settable as per-region or per-state |
| [18:04] | Andrew Linden: | per-estate |
| [18:04] | Andrew Linden: | it starts to get complicated |
| [18:04] | Andrew Linden: | each thing needs a config file with a clear override sequence |
| [18:05] | Andrew Linden: | does the per-parcel setting win? or the per-region setting? |
| [18:05] | Rex Cronon: | region maybe? |
| [18:05] | Siobhan McCallen: | region at least |
| [18:05] | Arawn Spitteler: | Where do I find an intersim sandbox? |
| [18:05] | Sindy Tsure thinks the bigger-scope setting as the fallback | |
| [18:05] | Andrew Linden: | I guess it should be per-estate, per-region, per-parcel, then per-avatar |
| [18:05] | Siobhan McCallen: | parcel would be cool, but if it's too hard to implement, region |
| [18:06] | Sindy Tsure: | hiya ella |
| [18:06] | Arawn Spitteler: | PArcels and Regions both have keys, don't they? Why not contents? |
| [18:06] | Siobhan McCallen: | estate would also be helpful for large estates. |
| [18:06] | Siobhan McCallen: | wb ella |
| [18:06] | Andrew Linden: | alright, I've got to run... I've got to go fix that floor in that Welcome Area I was talking about. |
| [18:06] | Sindy Tsure: | make it phantom!! |
| [18:06] | Rex Cronon: | bye andrew |
| [18:06] | Siobhan McCallen: | ok andrew. good to see you again |
| [18:06] | Sindy Tsure: | cya, andrew! ty! |
| [18:06] | Arawn Spitteler: | Which area? It might be fun to offer useless comments |
| [18:07] | Sindy Tsure: | ooo.. a stalking andrew party! |
| [18:07] | Sindy Tsure: | lol.. |
| [18:07] | Sindy Tsure: | cya, all |
| [18:07] | Siobhan McCallen: | have my latest gadget, andrew |
| [18:07] | Rex Cronon: | bye syndi |
| [18:07] | Rex Cronon: | bye everybody |
| [18:07] | Andrew Linden: | Hangeul Arawn |
| [18:07] | Siobhan McCallen gave you NAS Grav-Chute v. 0.71 (BOXED). | |
| [18:08] | Siobhan McCallen: | high-tech parachute. |
| [18:08] | Siobhan McCallen: | looks cool |
| [18:08] | Siobhan McCallen: | see ya later! |