User:Andrew Linden/Office Hours/2008 11 13

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Transcript of Andrew Linden's office hours:

[17:05] Simon Linden: Andrew not here? Lemme bug him..
[17:05] Sindy Tsure: and andrew.. hi hi
[17:05] Kitto Flora: Hello Andrew
[17:05] Sindy Tsure: hi arawn
[17:05] Siobhan McCallen: and there's andrew
[17:06] Obi Woebegone gave you Physics questions of a general nature.
[17:06] Arawn Spitteler doesn't dare ask Sindy about Sheep: Hi, all
[17:06] Rex Cronon: hellow
[17:06] Sindy Tsure: lol.. i detached it :P
[17:06] Andrew Linden: Hey everyody.
[17:07] Sheet Spotter: G'day eh!
[17:07] Andrew Linden: The meeting has started already, right?
[17:07] Ellla McMahon: hello :)
[17:07] Siobhan McCallen: hi sheet
[17:07] Siobhan McCallen: hi ella
[17:07] Slug Pet: Touch me to bring up a menu
[17:07] Siobhan McCallen: just three sheep to the wind so far, andrew
[17:07] Sindy Tsure: lol@kitto
[17:07] range: Range set to: 4.000000
[17:08] range: Range set to: 3.000000
[17:08] range: Range set to: 2.000000
[17:08] User not online - inventory has been saved.
[17:08] Slug Pet: Give me some sugar Rex Cronon :)
[17:08] User not online - inventory has been saved.
[17:08] Rex Cronon: sorry only salt left
[17:09] Kitto Flora: The maker wonders why these dont sell
[17:09] Maggie Darwin: No battery?
[17:09] Siobhan McCallen: is it a neptunian slug? them's good eatin'
[17:09] Kitto Flora: No idea
[17:09] Sindy Tsure: they're good with a little salt..
[17:09] Arawn Spitteler: Is there any reason they'd sell anyway but slowly?
[17:09] Andrew Linden: alright, the only bit of news I've got is that server-1.25 will be deployed to some small subset of the grid tonight
[17:09] Slug Pet: I love you Rex Cronon :)
[17:09] Siobhan McCallen: they're freelance slugs
[17:10] Andrew Linden: probably 100 or 500 regions, not sure which
[17:10] Sheet Spotter: *** YAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY ***
[17:10] Andrew Linden: they'll sit until next week
[17:10] Andrew Linden: and then the deploy will continue
[17:10] Sindy Tsure w00ts
[17:10] Kitto Flora: And no more bouncy camera?
[17:10] Siobhan McCallen: can't wait!
[17:11] Sheet Spotter: Are there public release notes for server releases?
[17:11] Siobhan McCallen: looks fixed on beta grid
[17:11] Maggie Darwin: Sheet: Yes.
[17:11] Sindy Tsure: start here, sheet: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2008/11/11/post312/
[17:11] Sofia Westwick: Thanks Andrew
[17:11] Sindy Tsure: hi sofia
[17:11] Sofia Westwick: Hi Sindy
[17:12] Sindy Tsure: heh
[17:12] Andrew Linden: I've been trying to track down a permissions bug for the past few days
[17:12] Sofia Westwick: wow i can't see anyone
[17:12] Andrew Linden: I think i've got a fix, but have some testing that remains.
[17:12] Siobhan McCallen: Simon...thank you. Looks like the fix you did for SVC-476 is working. I checked it today.
[17:12] Sindy Tsure: ew.. security thing or just a general bug, andrew?
[17:13] Simon Linden: Great, glad to hear it's OK
[17:13] Andrew Linden: It is a corner-case permissions problem where objects may be left modifiable when they are not supposed to be.
[17:13] Andrew Linden: Not a big copy exploit.
[17:13] Sindy Tsure nods
[17:14] Simon Linden: I've looked a bit at the follow-on bug SVC-3187 but that one is ugly; I haven't figured it out yet
[17:14] Andrew Linden: otherwise, I don't have much news.
[17:15] Siobhan McCallen: I talked to Prospero and Vektor a while ago...SVC-2133 looks like it got missed
[17:15] Siobhan McCallen: so Vek's going to watch it
[17:15] Siobhan McCallen: Prospero reopened it internally
[17:15] Arawn Spitteler: SVC-2931, is there a reason that 54 meters is considered standard link limit for Avatars?
[17:16] Sindy Tsure: after 1.25 finally gets out, anything big planned for 1.26 or is it mostly bug fixes in the near future?
[17:16] Siobhan McCallen: but it's okay if it hangs until 1.26
[17:16] Siobhan McCallen: or a point release if the code's done
[17:17] Andrew Linden: Hrm... SVC-2133 needs to be fixed
[17:17] Sheet Spotter: The release notes for server 1.25 state SVC-3207 is fixed. I believe it also fixes the original SVC-3017.
[17:17] Andrew Linden: I think there may be a server-1.25-1 patch release
[17:18] Andrew Linden: if I actually fix a permissions bug it would go into the .1 patch
[17:18] Siobhan McCallen: damn.got the wrong number
[17:18] Siobhan McCallen: 2133 isn't the one I meant
[17:18] Sindy Tsure: too late! you only get one.. next!
[17:18] Siobhan McCallen: nuts.
[17:18] Andrew Linden: otherwise... 1.26 pick up whatever has been merged in already. Not sure what is in there right now... not much of what I've done.
[17:18] Siobhan McCallen: 2133 IS the one I meant...damn numbers are confuzzling me
[17:19] Andrew Linden: We've got a main-server branch that should go into the QA pipeline in the hopes that it could get into 1.26
[17:19] Simon Linden: There are a few more minor speed-ups that should make it into 1.26
[17:19] Kitto Flora: Speed ups in what, Simon?
[17:19] Sindy Tsure: sims!
[17:20] Simon Linden: The XML parser again ... 1.26 should be almost 2x as fast parsing as 1.23
[17:20] Sindy Tsure: wow!
[17:20] Simon Linden: Hopefully that will make rezzing, TP and region crossing a little better
[17:20] Siobhan McCallen: Karen says she HAS the code for 2133, and it's been hanging fire since before 1.22. Prospero and Vek think it just got lost
[17:20] Kitto Flora: Thats good
[17:20] Andrew Linden: Karen who?
[17:21] Siobhan McCallen: sorry, Kelly
[17:21] Siobhan McCallen: not looking at the window
[17:21] Siobhan McCallen: bleh. got a headache the size of rhode island
[17:21] Andrew Linden: Oh hrm... kelly is on an extended vacation.
[17:21] Maggie Darwin: "I do not know what simulator version this change will be in, but probably not this next one (1.22)." --Kelly back in May
[17:21] Siobhan McCallen: might be why it hasn't been applied
[17:21] Andrew Linden: Did they say they had fixed it already and checked it into some branch?
[17:22] Siobhan McCallen: vek said he's going to personally watch over it
[17:22] Simon Linden: The web page says it went in Havok4-6, which was merged a long time ago
[17:22] Siobhan McCallen: I gave him an example product that's affected
[17:22] Siobhan McCallen: it's still broken as of yesterday on 1.25
[17:22] Simon Linden: So it sounds like that didn't really fix it
[17:22] Andrew Linden: oh I see... fix pending, and assigned to Kelly
[17:22] Andrew Linden: so, it probably made its way into some branch
[17:22] Andrew Linden: the question is just which one
[17:22] Simon Linden: I'll see if I can dig into our internal virtual paperwork...
[17:23] Maggie Darwin: Kelly *describes* a fix, doesn't say it was ever actually *written*
[17:23] Simon Linden: yeah, but it's marked "fix pending" and mentions an internal branch. That shouldn't happen unless he submitted some code
[17:24] Latif Khalifa: the status is set at fix-pending, that usually happens when there is actual code :)
[17:24] Maggie Darwin: Yeah, you can;t say where you comitted it unless you comitted something
[17:24] Arawn Spitteler: What causes such extended leaves?
[17:25] Andrew Linden: the comments in SVC-2133 are very old
[17:25] Sindy Tsure: changed to fix-pending may-8th
[17:25] Andrew Linden: so I would expect the fix to have propagated into the deploy by now
[17:25] Andrew Linden: if it is still broken then we should probably re-open the bug
[17:25] Siobhan McCallen: prospero said it was QAR-490, internal pJira was DEV-14375
[17:25] Maggie Darwin: Maybe the fix didn't actually fix it?
[17:25] Siobhan McCallen: he reopened the interla
[17:26] Siobhan McCallen: internal
[17:26] Simon Linden: Our internal bug was re-opened today, but it's assigned to Kelly, so it's sitting for now
[17:26] Sindy Tsure: the paperwork still goes thru, even if the problem doesn't go away
[17:26] Andrew Linden: ah, DEV-14375 is "reopened"
[17:26] Maggie Darwin: "For what it's worth, this bug has become worse in the last server patch." says Cheshyr
[17:26] Andrew Linden: somebody reopen SVC-2311 please
[17:27] Siobhan McCallen: fix pending is still open
[17:27] Siobhan McCallen: have to close it first, right?
[17:27] Maggie Darwin: It's now "reopened"
[17:27] Andrew Linden: thanks Maggie
[17:28] Maggie Darwin: JIRA is so whack in workflow
[17:28] Siobhan McCallen: i didn't even see where to do that :/
[17:28] Andrew Linden: Yeah, it isn't perfect
[17:28] Siobhan McCallen: argh
[17:28] Andrew Linden: but it is customizable in theory
[17:29] Maggie Darwin: We use Bugzilla wheer I work, but everybody does their own workflows....bug trackers have always been that way
[17:29] Andrew Linden: and we have indeed customized our internal and external jira
[17:29] Andrew Linden: but, as I understand it... the customizations are not easy
[17:29] Maggie Darwin: We'll see what happens, Prok Neva has his own little WEB- JIRA to cuddeel now
[17:29] Simon Linden: Andrew - I added the code change # to our internal bug. There may be more than one thing going on here
[17:29] Maggie Darwin: "must be closed by reporter"
[17:30] Maggie Darwin: Well, JIRA is written in Java, you C++ guys may find it tricky.
[17:30] Andrew Linden: alright thanks Simon.
[17:30] Maggie Darwin: Or it may just be crap
[17:31] Rex Cronon: how is jira written in java?
[17:31] Maggie Darwin: Badly, from the sound of it
[17:31] Sindy Tsure: lol
[17:31] Latif Khalifa: haha
[17:31] Andrew Linden: I haven't actually looked at the jira code (no time)
[17:31] Simon Linden: fwiw Kelly's fix has made it into our main branch, so there's some lingering problem
[17:32] Maggie Darwin: Rex: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/
[17:32] Rex Cronon: thanks
[17:32] Sindy Tsure: there was talk of some llMoveToTarget tweaks a while ago - more damping controls and such.. any chance we'll see that any time soon?
[17:32] Andrew Linden: Well unfortunately I'm still not on a bug smashing rampage. I'm hoping to get back into that in Dec sometime.
[17:33] Maggie Darwin: Runs under Tomcat.
[17:33] Andrew Linden: Sindy, remind me of the llMoveToTarget() changes?
[17:33] Rex Cronon: i thought was using php
[17:33] Andrew Linden: were they discussed in these office hours?
[17:34] Sindy Tsure: something to enable objects that move thru a serious of waypoints, for example..
[17:34] Andrew Linden: oh right
[17:34] Sindy Tsure: the current way it damps makes it difficult to do that
[17:34] Andrew Linden: that is a neat feature I would like to work on
[17:34] Sindy Tsure: yep! actually, it was the reason i first came here
[17:34] Andrew Linden: but it is not in progress
[17:34] Maggie Darwin: Rex: Nope. The Wiki probably is PHP. The Blog almost certainly. JIRA is a Java servlet app.
[17:34] Andrew Linden: My optimistic guess would be...
[17:35] Sindy Tsure: ok.. just didn't want you to totally page it out :)
[17:35] Andrew Linden: I'll hopefully fix bugs half of Dec and all of Janurary
[17:35] Andrew Linden: and then maybe try to write some features
[17:35] Sindy Tsure also mentions http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-22 while she's randomizing the conversation anyway
[17:35] Simon Linden: There's an associated issue where gravity does some funky things with llMoveToTarget() - I looked at it but eliminating gravity would probably break old content
[17:35] Andrew Linden: I've got a few that I would work on before the new scripted motion methods
[17:36] Sindy Tsure: yep! http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2441 , simon!
[17:36] Simon Linden: I think I need a version of that sheep generator that works on specific jira numbers
[17:36] Maggie Darwin: Rex: Java Incident Reporting Application is a probable acronym.
[17:36] Siobhan McCallen: a lot of devices use gravity
[17:36] Andrew Linden: SVC-22 is not so much a small bug fix as it is a full project
[17:36] Sindy Tsure: sheep generator!
[17:36] Andrew Linden: but it might fall into my late Janurary or February efforts.
[17:36] Rex Cronon: ha. ha. ha:)
[17:37] Maggie Darwin: So it should become a meta issue?
[17:37] Latif Khalifa: who works on backend services, ie. is there any movement on bugs that people feel most everu day related to groups, group im, and related?
[17:37] Andrew Linden: that is, the solution to SVC-22 will require a significant amount fo code and design
[17:38] Sindy Tsure: :\
[17:38] Andrew Linden: Latif, there is a team that works on emergency bugs
[17:38] Siobhan McCallen: we're glad it's being looked at, thank you, Andrew
[17:38] Andrew Linden: crashers, permissions problems, security issues
[17:38] Andrew Linden: sometimes I get pulled into that
[17:38] Latif Khalifa: Andrew, these are not really emergency, group chat consistently does not work ;)
[17:38] Latif Khalifa: for months
[17:38] Latif Khalifa: in big groupo
[17:39] Latif Khalifa: groups*
[17:39] Arawn Spitteler: Are we talking about, how my cranky bank won't fly, unless I make a box of siz prims?
[17:40] Andrew Linden: Simon, do you know about any team working on group IM chat right now?
[17:40] Simon Linden: No, I don't
[17:40] Andrew Linden: I've heard people talking about it months ago, but haven't overheard any conversations about it recently.
[17:40] Maggie Darwin: Andrew, if you should hear somebody say that a gadget named "Inner Strength" suddenly breaks under 1.25...it's true. The developer is MIA. And the bug is you launch an effect or attack and then can't shut it off.
[17:40] Ellla McMahon: sort of connnect http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-5529 what is maint-viewer-11
[17:40] Sindy Tsure: is the problem there mostly figuring out who to include in the session?
[17:40] Ellla McMahon: *connected
[17:41] Maggie Darwin: I think that whoe situation may be very different after FJ gets some of his infrastructure improvements in
[17:41] Andrew Linden: meh, it's hard to pay attention to all the projects people are working on
[17:41] Simon Linden: Me too ... we should probably ping someone on that, or find out what the status is
[17:41] Simon Linden: maint-viewer-11 is a code branch with viewer bug fixes
[17:42] Siobhan McCallen: is that group chat scroll bug related to the problem where your inventory scrolls out of control when you clear the search bar?
[17:42] Ellla McMahon: the scrolling has got alot worse in the latest BSI, I wonder if its connected to the fix pending for vwr-5529
[17:42] Ellla McMahon: no this is just chat Siobhan, Group, IM and Local
[17:42] Latif Khalifa: Ella, no this is not a viewer bug I am talking about, I am talking about "unable to send group im" error that pops out almost everytime for certain groups
[17:43] Latif Khalifa: something to do with group servers being partitioned on group uuid
[17:43] Ellla McMahon: yes sorry :(
[17:43] Simon Linden: Latif, do you know the jira number for that?
[17:43] Latif Khalifa: which makes some of them really overloaded
[17:43] Siobhan McCallen: oh, you mean the bug that you type a message, and 30 seconds later it pops up with "group error could not send message try again later", but posts it anyway most of the time?
[17:43] Latif Khalifa: that one yes
[17:43] Latif Khalifa: we,,
[17:43] Siobhan McCallen: god that's annoying
[17:44] Latif Khalifa: well it does not post most of the time
[17:44] Siobhan McCallen: seems to post mine about 3/4 of the time
[17:44] Sindy Tsure: i see that message a lot on some groups that only have a few hundred members.. never seen it on Help Island, which has over 3k members..
[17:44] Latif Khalifa: i am trying to lookup jira, there were dozens of reports
[17:44] Arawn Spitteler: I think it just responds to the lag
[17:44] Ellla McMahon: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1509
[17:45] Maggie Darwin: "Error message when starting group IM session"
[17:45] Latif Khalifa: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1298
[17:45] Latif Khalifa: there are litteraly dozens of reports on this
[17:45] Maggie Darwin: Not quite the same as "group chat dosghit slow and out of order and messages fail"
[17:46] Andrew Linden: Yeah, and that bug entry is pretty old.
[17:46] Andrew Linden: There is an internal version of it
[17:46] Sindy Tsure: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-513 might be closer..
[17:46] Simon Linden: Andrew - DEV-6549?
[17:46] Siobhan McCallen: vwr-1297
[17:46] Andrew Linden: Yeah
[17:47] Latif Khalifa: Sindy, yeah VWR-513 descibes it well
[17:47] Simon Linden: Well, we know who to bug now :)
[17:47] Maggie Darwin: Yeah...people do goofy things with dup.
[17:47] Latif Khalifa: none of these bugs are really VWR ;)
[17:47] Siobhan McCallen: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1297
[17:47] Latif Khalifa: they should be SVC- ;)
[17:47] Maggie Darwin: VWR-1297 is actually a better JIRA than the ones it's duoed to
[17:48] Latif Khalifa: well that bug, bugs me the most :)
[17:48] Maggie Darwin: That's one big crack things fall down....when it's not obvious whether things are VWR or SVC...or are both
[17:48] Latif Khalifa: we have "Advanced scripters of second life" which is useless as a help forum because of it
[17:49] Andrew Linden: Alright, well I'll try to ask around and see who knows about group chat, and who should be working on it.
[17:49] Sindy Tsure has suggested a number of times that the forums get a JIRA section, so people could talk about issues before clogging up jira
[17:49] Sindy Tsure really doesn't like jira for conversations.. :)
[17:50] Siobhan McCallen thinks there should be a damage-enabled arena someplace for fighting over bugs before putting them in the JIRA
[17:50] Sindy Tsure: lol
[17:50] Maggie Darwin: SVC-2743 is a perfect example of a problem that langushed as VWR for ages before I convinced folks the real problem was server-side
[17:50] Andrew Linden: well, jira is a crucial bug-specific place where relevant information should go
[17:50] Arawn Spitteler: Isn't Jira for Flame Wars?
[17:50] Sindy Tsure: absolutely, andrew. i just meant somewhere where people could do a little triage first
[17:50] Siobhan McCallen: that's what the arena would be for
[17:50] Rex Cronon: figure out how to connect sl to wow and u can have a fighting arena
[17:51] Andrew Linden: If I go up to another LL dev and start talking about some bug, they will almost always ask for the jira #
[17:51] Rex Cronon: :)
[17:51] Kitto Flora: 770
[17:51] Maggie Darwin: You *have* to have something like JIRA
[17:51] Andrew Linden: so the jira serves as a central location to store the relevant information
[17:51] Sindy Tsure agrees
[17:51] Siobhan McCallen: yeah, absolutely need some kind of ticket number system
[17:51] Sindy Tsure: and something that ties to source control
[17:51] Andrew Linden: there are so many issues, it is hard to keep them all filed correctly in your brain.
[17:52] Maggie Darwin: The workflows are sometimes a little rough
[17:52] Sindy Tsure: i meant a place where people can say "is this VWR or SVC" or "has this been reported 20 times before" and stuff like that
[17:52] Ryozu Kojima: Hey guys, got an announcement to make when there's time
[17:52] Siobhan McCallen: but it'd stillb e great to tell the people who argue to take it to the circle and dance it out
[17:53] Sindy Tsure: heya ryozu!!
[17:53] Siobhan McCallen: hi ryozu
[17:53] Andrew Linden: Ryozu, go ahead and announce it.
[17:53] Siobhan McCallen: rut roh
[17:53] Sindy Tsure nods
[17:53] Ryozu Kojima: Unfortunatly, due to the new sim pricing plans, Content to Hover won't be around much longer
[17:53] Maggie Darwin: Actually that happens in the JIRA, because it's nearly impossible to find anyting, You have two or three people who spend a lot of time closing dups
[17:53] Simon Linden: The VWR and SVC division is probably extra fluff ... we certainly need to figure out where the bug is, but shouldn't really require a different name tag
[17:53] Maggie Darwin: Sometimes they go overboard though
[17:54] Andrew Linden: Alright, so we'll have to find another region.
[17:54] Sindy Tsure: sorry to hear that, ryozu :( it's a really neat place!
[17:54] Siobhan McCallen: you're welcome to meet in Harrington, Andrew
[17:54] Ryozu Kojima: Sorry about that, just can't afford to keep it around
[17:54] Andrew Linden: I'll try to hunt something down tomorrow.
[17:54] Rex Cronon: try Q
[17:54] Maggie Darwin: There is *something* that is causing attacments with no-copy content, like AOs, to get lost
[17:54] Maggie Darwin: And there are *zillions* of JIRA reports
[17:54] Siobhan McCallen: but I'm sorry to hear about that, Ryozu
[17:54] Kitto Flora: A lot of content will vanish come the new sim prices
[17:54] Andrew Linden: No problem Ryozu, thanks for hosting these meetings. It has been nice and peaceful here.
[17:54] Maggie Darwin: Every stinking one of them has been closed "contact support -- inventory loss"
[17:54] Ryozu Kojima: So am I, won't get to really finish the build
[17:54] Siobhan McCallen: I've got some omni stuff.
[17:55] Sindy Tsure: grid size has dropped 558 regions so far this month
[17:55] Maggie Darwin: But I'm convinced there is an underlying big
[17:55] Maggie Darwin: nug
[17:55] Maggie Darwin: BUG
[17:55] Siobhan McCallen gave you New Grayson Station Welcome Center, Harrington (53, 233, 342).
[17:56] Sindy Tsure: sad news, ryozu.. its made HUGE progress over the last month, too
[17:56] Siobhan McCallen: there's actually an asteroid base just sitting with a table just like this, not doing anything.
[17:56] Andrew Linden: Tell you what, I'll find a new location for next week's meetings.
[17:56] Arawn Spitteler would never regard the grid size by sim number, while Null Sims are about: I've heard about losing inventory, with no copy items; does it get found again?
[17:56] Andrew Linden: You'll have to check the wiki for the new location. I don't have it yet.
[17:57] Arawn Spitteler: Back to Newbiville?
[17:57] Andrew Linden: No, not back to where we started. I forget where that was.
[17:57] Arawn Spitteler has fond memories of the Griefer Police dancing on the table
[17:57] Maggie Darwin: Only by going to support
[17:57] Sindy Tsure: well, simon has a house..
[17:57] Ryozu Kojima laughs.
[17:57] Maggie Darwin: Do a JIRA search for "chimera" for example
[17:57] Sindy Tsure noticed he ate all his ducks, though
[17:58] Siobhan McCallen: I'll be sad. I'll have fond memories of watching the sheep sail the waters
[17:58] Andrew Linden: I've got some land, but it is in Wengen, right next to a WA on a frozen pond.
[17:58] Simon Linden: I got rid of the ducks - they were doing spooky floating stuff since we released Havok 4 :(
[17:58] Rex Cronon: u could use qarls sim, Q
[17:58] Sindy Tsure: mine go a little nuts too, simon
[17:58] Andrew Linden: yeah, qarl's sim would probably work. That one is public?
[17:58] Kitto Flora: How about swans instead?
[17:58] Rex Cronon: yes
[17:58] Ryozu Kojima: Oh, and if no one has checked it out, hit play on your movie player and check out the ground
[17:58] Simon Linden: We could do it at my space, Denby gets very little traffic
[17:59] Ryozu Kojima: Won't be able to do that anymore, I dont' think anyone does it
[17:59] Maggie Darwin: We have a nice full sim, and a holodeck with a variety of meeting room scenes
[17:59] Sindy Tsure: cool!
[17:59] Maggie Darwin: New Grayson Estate charter: http://tinyurl.com/3cvdpr
[17:59] Andrew Linden: Yeah, I'd like to find a low-traffic spot
[17:59] Simon Linden: In any case, please check the blog
[17:59] Rex Cronon: but u have to talk to qarl about it
[17:59] Siobhan McCallen: aw, cool Ryozu
[17:59] Sindy Tsure: is that words or matrixy stuff?
[18:00] Ryozu Kojima: Some matrix animated gif
[18:00] Sindy Tsure: nice effect!
[18:01] Sindy Tsure: time to run! ty, lindens!! cya, all
[18:01] Sindy Tsure: ty for letting us use this area, ryozu!
[18:01] Siobhan McCallen: cya sindy
[18:01] Simon Linden: Bye
[18:01] Maggie Darwin: Bye Sindy
[18:01] Rex Cronon: bye sindy
[18:01] Ryozu Kojima: Good luck finding a new place, sorry about taking it down
[18:01] Ryozu Kojima: Take care all
[18:01] Sindy Tsure poofs in a cloud of sheeps
[18:01] Andrew Linden: Thanks Ryozu
[18:01] Rex Cronon: bye ryozu
[18:01] Arawn Spitteler: Ask CG, if you can use Aric's Place
[18:01] Simon Linden gave you Linden Village - Simon Linden, Denby (213, 45, 29).
[18:02] Andrew Linden: how about we try Simon's place next week and see how it works out?
[18:02] Siobhan McCallen: whereever's fine with me
[18:02] Maggie Darwin: Sure.
[18:02] Arawn Spitteler: Simon's should do. Else, we could sit on the rails at Jubata
[18:02] Rex Cronon: np
[18:02] Simon Linden: Just need some chairs so we don't get tired
[18:02] Kitto Flora: Does Simon have a LM?
[18:02] Siobhan McCallen: but you're always welcome at our place
[18:02] Maggie Darwin: If we do Jubata I'll rez my "Hellbound Train"
[18:02] Andrew Linden: maybe we should make a landmark dispensor
[18:02] Andrew Linden: and leave it on the table
[18:03] Maggie Darwin: It can rez a party car...
[18:03] Simon Linden: Denby 213,4529
[18:03] Simon Linden: Hmmm, what's the best way to distribute a LM?
[18:03] Latif Khalifa: wow, a big sim :P
[18:03] Kitto Flora: 4529?
[18:03] Simon Linden gave you Linden Village - Simon Linden, Denby (213, 45, 29).
[18:03] Simon Linden: 45,29
[18:03] Siobhan McCallen: kinda have to be
[18:03] Maggie Darwin: 8675309
[18:04] Maggie Darwin: ni-eie-n
[18:04] Latif Khalifa: Simon, find it on the map and copy SLURL ;)
[18:04] Kitto Flora: I see a building there
[18:04] Simon Linden: right
[18:04] Andrew Linden: alright, this hour is over.
[18:05] Siobhan McCallen: nice seeing everyone again
[18:05] Kitto Flora: Byebye all
[18:05] Simon Linden: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Denby/213/45/29
[18:05] Maggie Darwin: OK...thanks Simon, Andrew
[18:05] Andrew Linden: Look for us in Denby next week.
[18:05] Siobhan McCallen: thank you andrew and simon
[18:05] Simon Linden: Should probably try that before distributing too far :)
[18:05] Latif Khalifa: thanks :)
[18:05] Rex Cronon: bye everybody
[18:05] Arawn Spitteler: North of Longfellow?
[18:06] Rex Cronon: have fun