User:Andrew Linden/Office Hours/2010 07 09

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[15:58]	Kaluura Boa:	OH in 3 minutes... It's way tooo quiet here...
[15:58]	Ashiri Sands:	=^_^=
[15:58]	Liisa whispers	nonsenses into Kaluura's ear.
[15:58]	Ashiri Sands:	the latest beta has made me quieter
[15:59]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[15:59]	Kaluura Boa:	Chat in V2 is getting worse?
[15:59]	Liisa Runo:	it been horrible since the beginning
[15:59]	Ashiri Sands:	chat in the latest 2.1 is broken
[15:59]	Ashiri Sands:	not a bad thing IMO
[15:59]	Kaluura Boa:	I wanted to test... I pass... I wait for V3...
[16:00]	Bronson Blackadder:	cant seem to voice chat with individuals easy
[16:00]	Ashiri Sands:	hi TBB
[16:00]	TheBlack Box:	hi :)
[16:00]	Ashiri Sands:	seems that if I use v2.1 then when I go back to 2.0.1 the chat is still broken
[16:00]	TheBlack Box:	i can
[16:01]	Ashiri Sands:	hi Simon
[16:01]	Ardy Lay:	Hello again Simon
[16:01]	TheBlack Box:	yes
[16:01]	Sindra Aquila:	hi simon
[16:01]	Simon Linden:	hello
[16:01]	Latif Khalifa:	hey simon
[16:02]	Simon Linden:	Hmm, I think Andrew is out today
[16:02]	Liisa Runo:	Simon are you on mainstream viewer or v2? if on the mainstream, click 2 times to set the perms of the meeter ;)
[16:02]	Simon Linden:	Low turnout too ... seems like a lot of people are going to the beta office hours on Thursday, which is good
[16:03]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah beta is crowded hehe
[16:03]	Simon Linden:	I'm on a 2.1 beta
[16:03]	Simon Linden:	I'll try it
[16:03]	Liisa Runo:	you said last time that it is not easy with v2, no worries, do it when your on normal client
[16:04]	Simon Linden:	the double-click does the purchase, right?
[16:04]	Liisa Runo:	rightclik, take a copy
[16:04]	Kaluura Boa:	Simple click
[16:04]	Yuu Nakamichi:	Hi everyone :)
[16:04]	Kaluura Boa:	Can buy for 0 L$
[16:04]	Latif Khalifa:	one click + confirmation
[16:04]	Latif Khalifa:	(on 1.23)
[16:05]	Latif Khalifa:	dunno about 2.1
[16:05]	Liisa Runo:	i dont want to buy it, i want to poke the scripts, and they are still no-mod
[16:05]	Kaluura Boa:	hehehe
[16:06]	Kaluura Boa:	Nothing complicate...
[16:06]	Latif Khalifa:	that object got some weird permissions lol
[16:06]	Simon Linden:	yeah, it's something another Linden gave me
[16:06]	Liisa Runo:	as i said, dont waste the whole OH trying to do it with v2, do it later
[16:07]	Simon Linden:	I did some of the scripting for this meeting scheduling, and hacked Moon's jira script
[16:07]	Simon Linden:	I just tweaked the red and green buttons, see if you can grab a copy now
[16:07]	Simon Linden:	any luck?
[16:08]	Latif Khalifa:	still got weird permission set
[16:08]	Liisa Runo:	the script i want to poke is modable now, all i need
[16:09]	Simon Linden:	ok, point me to any parts that are locked down
[16:09]	Latif Khalifa:	something is no transfer
[16:09]	Latif Khalifa:	and no mod
[16:09]	Simon Linden:	OK, let's see ... nothing has been pushed out this week, but I think they're building a new 1.40.x version for Aditi right now
[16:09]	Simon Linden:	Trying to get something on there before the weekend
[16:10]	Liisa Runo:	something exiting?
[16:10]	Simon Linden:	The attachment / inventory loss should be fixed, and some of the physics work is done
[16:10]	Kaluura Boa:	My crystal ball whispers: Rolling back... again
[16:11]	Kaluura Boa:	:P
[16:11]	Latif Khalifa:	that rez queue/goo fence thing got 500+ votes i guess it needs addressing too
[16:11]	Simon Linden:	I think the last work is checking to see if reports of slower physics performance are something that needs more work
[16:12]	Simon Linden:	I wish someone could reproduce that for QA ... did anyone add steps or point to an object?
[16:12]	Latif Khalifa:	the goo fence thing?
[16:12]	Rex Cronon:	hello everybody
[16:12]	Latif Khalifa:	hey rex
[16:12]	TheBlack Box:	hoi
[16:12]	Simon Linden:	yes, the goo thing
[16:13]	Rex Cronon:	hi latif, tbb
[16:13]	Ardy Lay:	Rotation script in the sprockets on the side are no mod, no transfer
[16:14]	Latif Khalifa:	no i don't have a repro unfortunatelly
[16:15]	Ardy Lay:	Textures in the main body are no transfer
[16:16]	Simon Linden:	ok, one more time ... discovered the 'permissions' tab and that seemed to be what I should use
[16:16]	Latif Khalifa:	yeah :)
[16:16]	Kaluura Boa:	=^_^=
[16:17]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	My, this OH is quiet.
[16:18]	Techwolf Lupindo	drops a pin
[16:18]	Sebastean Steamweaver	leans down and catches it to preserve the quiet.
[16:18]	Rex Cronon:	i think that simon might be learning to use viewer 2.0:)
[16:18]	Simon Linden:	ah, sorry, was distracted
[16:18]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Falcon!
[16:18]	Sindra Aquila:	hi falcon
[16:18]	Simon Linden:	Ah, here's Falcon so we can bug him with physics questions :)
[16:18]	Ashiri Sands	advises skipping straight to 2.1 =^_^=
[16:18]	Falcon Linden:	Hey folks
[16:19]	Ashiri Sands:	hey Falcon
[16:19]	Moundsa Mayo:	Hiya
[16:19]	Rex Cronon:	hey flacon. how was rausch:)
[16:19]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Flacon sounds too much like Bacon.
[16:19]	Falcon Linden:	It was nice and devoid of crazy objects :)
[16:19]	Simon Linden:	Does anyone have questions or issues to bring up? (preferably not viewer 2.x related, nor copybot, since we can't contribute much)
[16:20]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Simon, was Andrew able to find out about the PosJump bug, that you know of?
[16:20]	Rex Cronon:	hmm. hmm. u have to go there undercover, else everybody "behaves" when u r there:)
[16:20]	Simon Linden:	I haven't heard about Posjump lately
[16:20]	Falcon Linden:	No, I just need to install an effigy of myself there
[16:20]	Rex Cronon:	i have a question
[16:21]	Falcon Linden:	I'm happy to make up an answer!
[16:21]	Moundsa Mayo:	Sure! Is ther any way to couple the vehicle linear motor to the angular motor so a ball moved with teh linear motor can be set rolling instead of just sliding?
[16:21]	Liisa Runo:	now when Falcon is here, i would like to hear about ray, any idea if it will hit main grid some day? maybe soon?
[16:21]	Rex Cronon:	what kind of scripting language can't truncate a 10k string. especially when its free mem is 19k?
[16:21]	Falcon Linden:	Moundsa: No idea. Maybe you need higher friction on the ball and ground
[16:21]	Simon Linden:	uh, a quickly built on?
[16:21]	Rex Cronon:	i get an run time error each time i do this: _data=llDeleteSubString(_data, 0, 36);//where data is 10129 letters
[16:21]	Rex Cronon:	and the free mem is = 19316
[16:22]	Moundsa Mayo:	Hm. Will try. Wood on ground or on wood not doing it.
[16:22]	Simon Linden:	What's the error? I wonder if there are copies under the hood that make it run out of memory
[16:22]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: I certainly hope so. But I still need to speak to Kelly about the ray_impact event. I've been swamped with 1.40.2 stuff
[16:22]	Liisa Runo:	alright, pictures of the RayCam experiment behind me
[16:22]	Ardy Lay:	Rex, like pass_by_value in C, makes a copy?
[16:23]	Rex Cronon:	test 10k str: test 10k str [script:New Script] Script run-time error test 10k str: Stack-Heap Collision
[16:23]	TheBlack Box:	yeah rex .. that string just doesnt fit twice
[16:23]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: So...bloody...$%*#$...awesome
[16:23]	Liisa Runo:	Kaluura made the cam, i made the display, so all glory to him
[16:23]	Sindra Aquila:	about this remark of higher friction, how can higher friction be made?
[16:24]	Simon Linden:	nice pics
[16:24]	Falcon Linden:	it can't. But I'm working on that :)
[16:24]	Moundsa Mayo:	material == Rubber
[16:24]	Rex Cronon:	i just want to truncate
[16:24]	Falcon Linden:	technically, rubber material is the highest
[16:24]	Kaluura Boa:	The way CastRay sees the AV is a bit weird IMHO
[16:25]	Simon Linden:	that's about what you look like to the physics engine
[16:25]	Liisa Runo:	bullet alike shape when standing, box when sitting
[16:26]	Falcon Linden:	It's exactly right
[16:26]	Simon Linden:	yes, there are different shapes for the two states
[16:26]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Simon - one question. If CastRay won't see phantom objects, will AVs be hid if the avatar is phantom?
[16:26]	Falcon Linden:	Not sure
[16:26]	Falcon Linden:	That depends on some internals of the engine
[16:26]	Simon Linden:	I don't know either
[16:26]	Falcon Linden:	but probably, yes, avs will be hidden if they are phantom
[16:27]	Liisa Runo:	i hope the final version of ray can be gflagged to see/not see phantom stuff
[16:27]	Liisa Runo:	flag*
[16:27]	TheBlack Box:	i wonder .. how much of a stream can you get with raytracing and pushy the data out to a web-app ?
[16:27]	TheBlack Box:	puching
[16:27]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: If it supports seeing phantom stuff, then it will also pick up volume detect stuff
[16:27]	Liisa Runo:	sure, im fine with that
[16:27]	Simon Linden:	How long does it take to draw those images?
[16:27]	Liisa Runo:	just want to choose, more options is more content in SL
[16:27]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Falcon - I'd prefer to have it optional personally. I don't have an issue with it also detecting volume-detect.
[16:28]	TheBlack Box:	i made a google wave gadget for controlling a SL-drone ... now i wonder if i should trying giving it a live-cam with llCatRay
[16:28]	Liisa Runo:	about 2 min, with one script, 70x70pixels image, and antialising
[16:28]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	I can see a potential issue with it not being able to detect phantom avatars though.
[16:28]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Especially in combat systems.
[16:28]	Simon Linden:	yeah, that's not much of a live-cam :(
[16:28]	TheBlack Box:	danm :)
[16:28]	Falcon Linden:	especially after we clamp you to 4 rays per frame :)
[16:29]	Kaluura Boa:	It can be accelerate with a few scripts... but that's not the purpose of llCastRay...
[16:29]	Liisa Runo:	we always find the way to get the juice we need :P
[16:29]	Simon Linden:	What does your goggle wave gadget do with the drone?
[16:29]	TheBlack Box:	full-sim radar, chat-bridge, chat-log and controling things with chat on custom channels
[16:30]	TheBlack Box:	https://wave.google.com/wave/ #restored:wave:googlewave.com%252Fw%252BAops0y59C
[16:30]	Simon Linden:	I've used some python-based bots for testing, but the UI is rough
[16:31]	Simon Linden:	What's it doing under the hood? I mean, how does it talk into SL?
[16:31]	TheBlack Box:	i didnt try bots yet .. just started with gadgets since it seems more appropriate than bots for making web-frontends for in-world tools
[16:31]	TheBlack Box:	the Drone is a LSL-HTTP-Server Script
[16:31]	Simon Linden:	ah, I see. Nice
[16:31]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	In order to do true live-camming, you'd have to have the server stream data from a second source and paste it over a prim face like they do media for the client to render, almost like a screen within a screen.
[16:31]	TheBlack Box:	and on the Wave side i use gadgets.io
[16:32]	Falcon Linden:	Sebastean: I've thought about that as a use for media on a prim
[16:32]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Since the server wouldn't be able to do any of the graphics processing itself.
[16:32]	Falcon Linden:	But instead of using raycasting, you'd build a custom viewer
[16:32]	Falcon Linden:	and put the viewer's camera at the right position in world and have the machine running it stream it to a web server where it could be pulled back inworld as media on a prim
[16:32]	Kaluura Boa:	That would be less fun...
[16:33]	Falcon Linden:	But would actually have reasonable performance
[16:33]	Simon Linden:	I wish someone would wire the viewer graphics pipeline up to be a virtual webcam on my system :)
[16:33]	TheBlack Box:	Google Wave works on a Media Texture :)
[16:33]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Well, I was thinking more something independent of the viewer itself. Say, you could assign a data stream from X location as if there were a camera there. The server would send data to be rendered on the prim face for anyone within viewing distance (I'm throwing security to the wind for sake of example).
[16:34]	TheBlack Box:	at least for some ... not all html-rendering engines can do html that good yet
[16:34]	TheBlack Box:	html5
[16:34]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	But, that would be extremely heavy on a lot of systems, for obvious reasons.
[16:34]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	The client would be doing render work for basically two screens, instead of one.
[16:34]	TheBlack Box:	javascript ... fast as hell :)
[16:35]	Simon Linden:	We had an interesting brainstorming session a few weeks ago that touched on that ... it would be nice to really break apart the AV in-world, a camera view, and the logged-in account
[16:35]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	How do you mean Simon?
[16:35]	Simon Linden:	Precisely to allow things like you describe
[16:35]	Moundsa Mayo:	Leaving zombie avatars after logout? (Not ghosted)
[16:35]	TheBlack Box:	all you need is to get the pictures into the shared state of a wave-gadget to get some basic ... a few frames per minute (or minutes per frame)... cam-stream working
[16:36]	Simon Linden:	This is all server-side internal architecture ... currently your account, AV and camera are all tightly tied together to where you are logged in
[16:36]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	More like, allowing a person to set up "cameras' like I said, to render on a prim elsewhere. Cameras that don't require an account.
[16:36]	Simon Linden:	But if they were different bits of data, you might be able to log in and share a view with a bunch of others ... enabling lots of people to see an event, for example
[16:36]	Kaluura Boa:	I foresee some more "privacy concerns"
[16:37]	Simon Linden:	totally :)
[16:37]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Yeah, like I said, I had been throwing security to the wind. I wouldn't want it implemented without some checks of course :)
[16:37]	TheBlack Box:	Simon: i think that line of thought is great
[16:37]	Liisa Runo:	pure LSL camera with reasonable frame rate would be truly awesome. privacy is illusion anyway
[16:37]	Simon Linden:	Nobody would want an invisible lurker
[16:37]	Liisa Runo:	we already have those
[16:37]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Truth, heh. SL is a true security theater, where your attempts to be secure are everyone else's entertainment.
[16:37]	Liisa Runo:	.
[16:38]	Simon Linden:	well, we don't want to make it worse
[16:38]	Kaluura Boa:	As if we couldn't spy on ppl already...
[16:38]	TheBlack Box:	more worthy than a browser-based SL-viewer would be a Web-thingy that could be enbedded .. that just has a cam ... no avatar related to it
[16:38]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Until LL breaks down and allows instanced parcels, the only true security is locking yourself away on a private island, which most people can't afford.
[16:38]	Simon Linden:	I did some prototype work on 'parcel privacy' that's interesting ... you can't see someone on the parcel unless you're on it
[16:38]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	When I can afford myself a full island, I'll be getting myself a new car instead.
[16:39]	Falcon Linden:	:)
[16:39]	Kaluura Boa:	Me too... =^_^=
[16:39]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Simon: parcel instancing I'm referring to is a little different.
[16:40]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Basicaly, a parcel can have two modes, public and private; private mode, if you're in the group, access list or whatnot, you can see the private mode, which is basically what you would be seeing now.
[16:41]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	In public mode, you would only see what the person set for you to see, even if it's nothing but land.
[16:41]	Simon Linden:	So would there be another checkbox for all objects about their visibility?
[16:41]	Ashiri Sands:	so will that look worse than banlines?
[16:41]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Something like that.
[16:41]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Ashiri, actually, it should look better.
[16:41]	Bronson Blackadder:	yes less crap to render
[16:41]	Kaluura Boa:	Banlines are an eyesore... and a trap for vehicles
[16:41]	Falcon Linden:	except that if you try to walk into it...
[16:41]	Falcon Linden:	heh
[16:41]	Ashiri Sands:	oh, I can make banlines look way better in 2.0 =^_~=
[16:42]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Things could be publicly viewable by default, and people could switch it to private if they want.
[16:42]	Falcon Linden:	oh, and llCastRay would see right it :)
[16:42]	Falcon Linden:	err, would see it*
[16:42]	Simon Linden:	When I was playing with the code I tried it hiding all objects, and it was really jarring (not to mention a lot of data) when you went on and off the parcel
[16:42]	Simon Linden:	ah, interesting point, Falcon
[16:43]	Simon Linden:	I didn't do anything for sensors either
[16:43]	Falcon Linden:	If people really want that, they can band together and buy a region as a cooperative
[16:43]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Of course, there's always the "parcel basement" idea, too.
[16:43]	Falcon Linden:	then they don't have to worry, because they'll know their neighbors!
[16:44]	Simon Linden:	but I like the idea of being able to lock down or hide a parcel better ... while the grid seems very empty, the privacy is needed
[16:44]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	lol, What if they want to have privacy from each other?
[16:44]	Liisa Runo:	cool new features and content is more important than ppls ability to have crappy polygon sex in peace
[16:44]	Ashiri Sands	laughs.
[16:44]	Falcon Linden:	Sebastean: Then they should have chosen better living mates :)
[16:44]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Liisa, it isn't always about polygon sex - it isn't for me.
[16:44]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: I tend to agree with you
[16:44]	Simon Linden:	or better polygons
[16:44]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	For me, I do a lot of content creation in private.
[16:44]	Rex Cronon:	u need sex boxes. lol
[16:45]	Falcon Linden:	ah, actually
[16:45]	Falcon Linden:	that's an interesting idea
[16:45]	Simon Linden:	which one?
[16:45]	Kaluura Boa:	An old idea of private sky boxes
[16:45]	Falcon Linden:	Sex boxes
[16:45]	Falcon Linden:	A box that would have inverted normals
[16:45]	Falcon Linden:	so from the outside, it's invisible
[16:45]	Ashiri Sands:	ah
[16:45]	Simon Linden:	well, one of the basic fixes we need to make is when sending updates, to include the height difference in the calculations
[16:46]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Would that mean from the outside, you could also not swing your camera into it?
[16:46]	Simon Linden:	so if a skybox is high above, the folks on the ground don't get the updates
[16:46]	Falcon Linden:	Well, I suppose if you knew exactly where the opening was you could
[16:46]	Rex Cronon:	u could use a white list:)
[16:46]	Falcon Linden:	or you could have no opening and teleport in as the owner
[16:47]	Simon Linden:	or use posjump!
[16:47]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	I can see all sorts of support requests popping up. "I lost my sex box!" With the only option being returning it lol. "Darnit, I deselected and can't undo."
[16:48]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	But yeah, I'd like to stress that privacy has a lot more to it than just polygon sex.
[16:48]	Falcon Linden:	wait, now this is just getting stupid
[16:48]	Falcon Linden:	And I'm an idiot
[16:48]	Rex Cronon:	if u make sex parcels, nobody will have to worry about loosing them:)
[16:48]	Falcon Linden:	Why don't you just build your private stuff in a hollowed box with no windows? :)
[16:48]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	It's a sad misconception that people want privacy just to cyber, heh.
[16:48]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	That all* people
[16:48]	Liisa Runo:	sex or not, the privacy is illusion unless you have locked island
[16:48]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: There are degrees of privacy
[16:48]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Liisa - that's the problem we're discussing solving; different ways to make it so that isn't the case.
[16:49]	Techwolf Lupindo:	I know one contect creater that had to rent a full island to create there stuff.
[16:49]	Simon Linden:	it's actually pretty high on the list (privacy, not sex) for education and business use ... just basicly knowing you can have a conversation without others listening in or watching
[16:49]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Although I grant, much of SL seems like a graveyard at the moment.
[16:49]	xstorm Radek:	odd i have a private sim on Aditi
[16:49]	Liisa Runo:	sure, discuss, i want my LSL camera by the end of the month :)
[16:49]	Simon Linden:	it's already the 9th!
[16:49]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	LSL cameras would almost certainly be tied to land rights.
[16:49]	Falcon Linden:	ha
[16:50]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	And any privacy improvements made that apply to avatars lol
[16:50]	Simon Linden:	I haven't played with it much ... are there any bad problems with the camera controls? i.e. limiting it (assuming you get permission)
[16:50]	Techwolf Lupindo:	Simon, that is a requirment for some contries to allow busness to use SL or other vitrioul world. There communcations must be protected from third parties.
[16:50]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Well, aside from trying to focus on the hollows and cuts of megaprims...
[16:51]	Simon Linden:	right ... there are also some network protocol issues there too
[16:52]	Sebastean Steamweaver	drops the pin he caught earlier.
[16:52]	Moundsa Mayo:	OW!
[16:53]	Rex Cronon:	u r getting good, sebastean:)
[16:53]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	When did we lose Falcon?
[16:53]	Liisa Runo:	hes here
[16:53]	Simon Linden:	he is in awe of those images
[16:53]	Ashiri Sands:	truely
[16:54]	Falcon Linden:	I'm here
[16:54]	Techwolf Lupindo	grins
[16:54]	Falcon Linden:	I stopped caring when we started talking about land and privacy settings
[16:54]	Falcon Linden:	I can think of few less interesting parts of SL (to me)...other than inventory/asset stuff
[16:54]	Liisa Runo:	alright, lets talk about llGetSimulatorAgentKeyList(SORT_BY_DISTANCE); should be very usefull, and easy to add. when we get it?
[16:55]	Falcon Linden:	sort by distance makes it more of a performance issue :)
[16:55]	Falcon Linden:	no, llGetSimulatoryAgentKeyList()...that I do wonder about
[16:55]	Simon Linden:	For when managers ask : why will this make everyone happy?
[16:55]	Kaluura Boa:	Ignore the sorting... Just give us the list
[16:55]	Falcon Linden:	Simon: eh?
[16:55]	Simon Linden:	sorting by distance shouldn't be too hard
[16:55]	Falcon Linden:	hard? No
[16:55]	Falcon Linden:	Expensive? Yes
[16:56]	Liisa Runo:	we do that sorting already in LSL, after sending moving prims to sense the whole sim
[16:56]	Falcon Linden:	yes, but it takes you a lot longer :)
[16:56]	Falcon Linden:	we'd be doing it every frame
[16:56]	Falcon Linden:	if you take too long, you run out of execution time and have to pick up where you left off next time
[16:56]	TheBlack Box:	lets not fight about the sorting :) lets agree on the list instead !
[16:57]	Simon Linden:	is that a replacement for sensors?
[16:57]	Ashiri Sands:	wouldn't that be better run as a dataserver return?
[16:57]	TheBlack Box:	it would be
[16:57]	Kaluura Boa:	Yep... For HUD radars
[16:57]	Liisa Runo:	so sending piles of sensors to roam the sim and regionsaying to the HUD is more effective than native function?
[16:57]	Moundsa Mayo:	For AGENT type only
[16:57]	Simon Linden:	hmm, that's a good argument for it ... our sensors are costly for performance
[16:58]	Falcon Linden:	I do support getting the list to you, but I don't know (a) why it doesn't exist yet or (b) what the priority is internally of other lsl features
[16:58]	Falcon Linden:	I'm focusing on llcastray :)
[16:58]	Sebastean Steamweaver	looks under the table to find where FAlcon is talking from.
[16:58]	Moundsa Mayo:	Be worse if allowed regex, I suppose B^(
[16:58]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: No, I agree, you should be able to get the list. I'm just thinking that sorting it should be your job
[16:58]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Oh!
[16:58]	Liisa Runo:	alright gimme the list
[16:58]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Heh, I don't know why I didn't see you over there.
[16:59]	Kaluura Boa:	He's there, on my right
[16:59]	Kaluura Boa:	Camera controls are very bad in V2 so he needs to move to see things
[16:59]	Kaluura Boa:	:P
[16:59]	Falcon Linden:	Really? I loive the V2 controls
[16:59]	Moundsa Mayo:	And won't take HIM any 2 years to get up to speed.
[16:59]	Moundsa Mayo:	SWW
[16:59]	TheBlack Box:	a hell lot of conent in SL could be made way less script-intensive with the avUUID-list
[17:00]	Liisa Runo:	LL is currently working on improving performance and i think that list would be very usefull, very many people use agent sensor HUD, very many
[17:00]	Latif Khalifa:	Falcon, make data sent in CoarseLocationUpdate basically
[17:00]	Latif Khalifa:	simon that is
[17:00]	Latif Khalifa:	a lot of megprim llvolumedetect hacks try to workournd that
[17:00]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Simon, it isn't just HUDs, but just scanners in general.
[17:00]	Falcon Linden:	Liisa: Yes, but on improving performance for the most people at once. There may be other ways we can improve performance that are even more general
[17:00]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	All sensors have to work by sensor or collision prim, both with blaring weaknesses.
[17:00]	Falcon Linden:	(e.g., Client Side Prediction)
[17:00]	Moundsa Mayo:	And ther MUST be some crossover point where regex would reduce the hitcount and save overall.
[17:01]	Simon Linden:	Right, like that polling object I have here. The sensor code was a pain
[17:01]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	All sensor displays*
[17:01]	Ardy Lay:	Oh yes. THis data would remove the need for several scripted scanners in my spaces.
[17:01]	Falcon Linden:	all right, it's 5:01 and I have to go
[17:01]	Latif Khalifa:	like llGetCoarseAgentLocations ;)
[17:01]	Moundsa Mayo:	Thanks, Falcon!
[17:01]	Falcon Linden:	Thanks folks, and those pictures are awesome. I'm stealing a copy of the prims :)
[17:01]	Latif Khalifa:	have nice weekend Falcon
[17:01]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	Thanks Falcon
[17:01]	Rex Cronon:	tc falcon
[17:01]	Ashiri Sands:	cya Falcon
[17:02]	Kaluura Boa:	Liisa, AR that copybot!
[17:02]	Ardy Lay:	For my needs, I really don't even need to know where in the region they are, just that they are in the region.
[17:02]	Simon Linden:	Thanks everyone for coming, see you next time
[17:02]	Sebastean Steamweaver:	It would also make script stalkery a lot easier, but in my opinion, just about every scripter is a stalker.
[17:02]	Falcon Linden:	Thanks Kaluura, Liisa :)
[17:02]	Moundsa Mayo:	Thanks, Simon!
[17:02]	Kaluura Boa:	YW
[17:02]	Latif Khalifa:	thanks Simon, and have a nice weekend :)
[17:02]	Rex Cronon:	tc simon
[17:02]	Simon Linden:	bye

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