User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Aug 02

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:02]	Benjamin Linden:	hi folks!
[15:02]	Benja Kepler:	hey!
[15:02]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hi Benjamin!
[15:02]	Kooky Jetaime:	looks like a dreamcatcher
[15:02]	Wyn Galbraith:	Looks like a missle to me, wireframe.
[15:03]	JayR Cela:	Wyn Lol I think ita an attachment that acts goofy sometimes
[15:03]	Kooky Jetaime:	I don't see no missle
[15:03]	Wyn Galbraith:	It's gone now.
[15:03]	JayR Cela:	Yeah Wyn I changed my necklace
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm eating a late lunch today so I may be a little slow typing
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	Don't spill on the keyboard.
[15:04]	JayR Cela:	Wyn I need to talk to June Dion of Bare Rose about that / thanks for reminding me
[15:04]	Wyn Galbraith had to clean coke (the drink) out of a keyboard once.
[15:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	yw JayR.
[15:04]	Kooky Jetaime:	so whats on todays Itinerary?
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	well today's the big day -- voice launch!
[15:05]	JayR Cela:	how about Attachments and Teleport issues
[15:05]	Benja Kepler:	omg
[15:05]	Kooky Jetaime:	wha?
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	Today voice is launching?
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith's headset is in the mail.
[15:05]	Benja Kepler:	when, Ben?
[15:05]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm I thought the blog post went out already, maybe I jumped the gun
[15:05]	JayR Cela:	oh no !! Voice is going to be part of the main viewer as of today ??
[15:05]	Kooky Jetaime:	please tell me that 18 will continue to work
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	I don't keep up on the blogs, let me check.
[15:06]	Benja Kepler hurredly checks blog
[15:06]	Kooky Jetaime:	its not up yet
[15:06]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'm muttering under my breath
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	it will be an optional viewer update
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	so nothing earth-shattering
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood:	MMmmm. Voooice.
[15:06]	Benja Kepler:	can't see it on the blog - something about being on hold though
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood:	Expect the usual whining about unwanted options
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	I see Wyn and Squirrel are already running the voice client
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood:	^^^
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	and a huge entry about Measurigng Satisfaction
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	I would LOVE to see those stats published
[15:07]	Benja Kepler:	and will the Communicate button be part of the viewer for voice, as in FL?
[15:07]	Squirrel Wood:	Voice does not seem to work for me here. I see active speakers talking, I see me talking yet I hear nothing nor am I heard.
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	Yes, Benja, the Communicate button will be rolled out with Voice
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	I hate the new communicate window
[15:07]	Benja Kepler:	cool
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	like many many others
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	Kooky, can you elaborate?
[15:08]	Kooky Jetaime:	Not from recent experiance..
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm tracking a lot of feedback on the new UI
[15:08]	Benja Kepler:	I think it's great - especially for discussions like this
[15:08]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'll have to download/use it again
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	we've made some improvements since the first release
[15:08]	Wyn Galbraith:	Once I tear off the chat history it's easier.
[15:08]	Kooky Jetaime:	Is the friends/groups buttons still there?
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	we recently decided to also make the contacts list tearable
[15:08]	Wyn Galbraith:	Then I discovered I could tear off the IMs I'm interested in so I can ignore the others.
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	All those people who do not want voice will curse at LL ^^
[15:08]	Benja Kepler:	no, not as buttons
[15:08]	Benja Kepler:	as tabs
[15:09]	Benja Kepler:	it's also useful at live music events where there are hecklers - you can quickly identify them in the list and mute them
[15:09]	Kooky Jetaime:	I must say, I do find it somewhat interesting that the idea of modifying the double-click action on objects and other things is automatically shot down due to the fact that it changes the expected behaviure of SL, while they will make huge changes such as the communicate window..
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we definitely wanted to make it easy to mute people :-)
[15:09]	Kooky Jetaime:	thats rhetorical
[15:10]	Benja Kepler:	LOL - but a blanket unmute would be good....
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	Kooky, I was actually just discussing that with my team
[15:10]	Wyn Galbraith:	What I found a problem the other day when I was in an area where voice was used a lot is that the you have to change the volume of each speaker.
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	we are going to move forward with changing the default actions
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	why did you say it was shot down?
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood:	change the volume... yes. every time. cause it doesn't seem to remember ^^
[15:10]	Wyn Galbraith:	Then if they move around you have to change it again if using your camera anyway.
[15:10]	Kooky Jetaime:	the last I was aware it was.. or as for the term shot down, figure of speach
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	when was that Kooky?
[15:11]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh and if you tp out of that sim into another and then back the volume on each person resets to low.
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	have you been to any of the UI triages on Tuesday?
[15:12]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benjamin, if you are in deed going to change the default action, you may want to peruse WVR-1850.. I come up with a comprimise between leaving it as is and changing the default
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	Wyn, I know that the voice back-end team is tracking issues related to voice performance
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	have you seen this one Kooky?
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1825
[15:12]	Kooky Jetaime:	Looking
[15:13]	Kooky Jetaime:	Yes.. I subtasked 1850 to 1825
[15:14]	Benja Kepler:	change is good - keeps people on their toes
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	ah sorry I didn't see that
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	lol @ Benja
[15:14]	Kooky Jetaime:	Thats ok..
[15:14]	Kooky Jetaime:	Jira is easy to miss lots of stuff
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	but I do agree we want to support doubleclick actions
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure it needs to be a preference setting
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	if we pick the right ones
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	most are obvious, as in your initial write-up
[15:14]	Kooky Jetaime:	Well, I figured the preferences would give people an option of the old way, or the new way, or something different
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	which I referred to in my meeting, btw
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:15]	Kooky Jetaime:	whoo hoo
[15:15]	Kooky Jetaime:	Good news or bad news, I've made it onto linden radar.. *Ducks
[15:15]	Kooky Jetaime:	last time that happened I got fired
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	sometimes we need to just pick the right thing and stick with it. I think there are too many options in the viewer
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	Oh My
[15:16]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benjamin - Power users like options (my opinion) newbies like simplicity
[15:16]	Kooky Jetaime:	its like the debate, Gnome or KDE
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	yes
[15:16]	JayR Cela:	Gnome or KDE I still cant decide / LOL :_)
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	simplicity vs flexibility
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	the classic debate
[15:16]	JayR Cela:	well KDE is a mess thats for shure
[15:17]	Kooky Jetaime:	While I totally disagree with one users suggestion of having a "New Persons" SL Viewer, uber-simplicity, perhaps its time to consider having a more formal "simple" / "power user" / "advanced" display mode
[15:17]	JayR Cela:	and Gnome I cant find things sometimes / but it is much easier to install and set up protected drivers
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	these are things we are actively considering, Kooky
[15:18]	JayR Cela:	Kooky may have something there
[15:18]	Kooky Jetaime:	Where in Simple, its the bare essentials, everything that your average newb would need.. Power user adds some more preferences, and advanced would be the same as the debug menus
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	is there a way we can streamline the UI such that it's not intimidating to new users, but still flexible enough for power users to enjoy
[15:18]	Benja Kepler:	I would still like a Blind Viewer
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	count me in for the uber mega super power user interface. "geek" ^^
[15:19]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben, wasn't there discussion at some point regarding a redesign (Ground up) of the UI? That the existing UI was made as a "Get it working" pure functionality as opposed to something aestetic yet useable?
[15:19]	Kooky Jetaime:	I thought I heard that some time, some place, long long ago
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	Matrix style display. ^^ - Can you read the matrix? XD
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	there probably have been many discussions like that Kooky
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	the problem is that there is already so much UI, that it's extremely difficult to "redesign" all of it simultaneously
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	beginners ui should be colorful and simple. yep.
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	mayhaps with lots of popup/help bubbles
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	I've been knocking around some concepts for a new "shell" that would be simple and streamlined yet powerful and flexible
[15:20]	Kooky Jetaime:	Colorful and simple, while not blocking/hiding anything that could possibly be of use... (Yea, a hard balance)
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	it would be more browser-like, with a back button, history, and bookmarks (landmarks)
[15:21]	Kooky Jetaime:	Because you don't want to force a new rezident to have to switch to "Power User" just for one or two features
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	and dedicated navigation/camera controls
[15:21]	JayR Cela:	Benjamin / how about lettign it run in a FireFox session
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	functionality would be clumped logically into regions of the screen (I call them zones of control)
[15:22]	Kooky Jetaime:	One of our associates has suggested a scriptable UI
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	so in the upper left for example, you'd have Navigation (Back and Forward, location, landmarks)
[15:22]	Kooky Jetaime:	(The same one that is constantly talking about Croquet integration)
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	in the upper right there would be Search and Status (parcel info, linden balance, etc)
[15:22]	Kooky Jetaime:	one advantage to a scripted UI would be it would become very skinable.
[15:22]	Benja Kepler:	if there's a keyboard shortcut, and they can be changed of course, then the current UI can be scripted
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	the lower right would be communications tools
[15:23]	Benja Kepler:	e.g. with a VB program doing SendKeys
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	movement/camera controls in the lower center
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	and in the lower right you would have access to various tools, such as Inventory, appearance, build, etc.
[15:23]	Kooky Jetaime:	The only downside I see off hand to that Ben, is I would hate to be mousing to the four corners for everything
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	the idea being that the UI in each of these regions could be "unpinned" so the slide out of the way until you need them
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	or you could pin them in place if you want them to stay there
[15:24]	Benja Kepler:	but for testing, if it can be scripted, it can be automated, freeing up the testers for the difficult stuff
[15:24]	Kooky Jetaime:	One other thing to consider is the amount of visual real estate that would be lost with unpinned items
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	but the goal would be to minimize the amount of UI shown at any given time
[15:25]	Kooky Jetaime:	Voice Blog is up
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	there would be no menu bar or toolbar, and you could unpin the rest of it so your screen is completely free of UI until you mouse into the region that has the functionality you need
[15:25]	Wyn Galbraith:	Must have just gone up.
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, it was supposed to post about 3pm
[15:25]	Kooky Jetaime:	3:19
[15:26]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben, I don't know who else to mention this to, and since your here your an easy target
[15:26]	Kooky Jetaime:	so forgive me
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	mention what, Kooky?
[15:26]	Kooky Jetaime:	Talk to whoever controls the downloads.php page, and ask them to start having multiple links (or links to anything less than absolutely "current" release viewers on a seperate page) so that people can download what they want
[15:27]	Kooky Jetaime:	Since 18.1.2 is voice enabled and optional, give people the opportunity to still download 18.1
[15:27]	Kooky Jetaime:	especially now that the grid is going to become more diversified
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	ah yes, we have a "release candidate" program under way
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	which will hopefully make it easier to access various versions
[15:27]	Kooky Jetaime:	Good good
[15:28]	Benja Kepler:	wow, 45000+ people downloaded the First Look Voice viewer
[15:28]	Kooky Jetaime:	Right now, I still have reason to download 18.1..
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	no wonder we got so many complaints! :-)
[15:28]	Benja Kepler:	well, I wonder why you don't get more votes on pjira issues...
[15:28]	Kooky Jetaime:	well wait a second
[15:28]	Kooky Jetaime:	Is that 45,000 downloads
[15:28]	Kooky Jetaime:	or 45,000 rezidents actually logged in using it?
[15:29]	Kooky Jetaime:	Numbers are very very inacurate things .. :)
[15:29]	Benja Kepler:	or 1 person downloading 45,000 copies....
[15:29]	Benja Kepler:	ahem
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	I have downloaded it quite a few times myself
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	anyway, back to UI design...
[15:29]	Kooky Jetaime:	well, I'd love to try it
[15:29]	Benja Kepler:	I use it now
[15:29]	Kooky Jetaime:	but I don't want to destory my non-voice install
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	I wonder if it would be helpful to post some design sketches on the wiki and start getting feedback?
[15:30]	Kooky Jetaime:	Maybe open a UI Meta-Issue?
[15:30]	Kooky Jetaime:	on pjira
[15:30]	Benja Kepler:	and I did a video extolling the virtues of the Active Participants List and 65 people watched it
[15:30]	Benja Kepler:	Benjamin Linden: I've been knocking around some concepts for a new "shell" that would be simple and streamlined yet powerful and flexible
[15:31]	Benja Kepler:	so thats about 0.1%
[15:31]	Benja Kepler:	woops wrong paste
[15:31]	Benja Kepler:	sorry
[15:32]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benja - One thing regarding your blind client, I would almost hate to see it on the pretext of being non-visual, it would have nowhere near the resource requirements, and as a result one person could run multiple copies (ie more than 2 or 3) at a time resulting in something handy for griefers
[15:32]	Kooky Jetaime:	or campers
[15:33]	Benja Kepler:	ah - ok, Kooky - I was thinking in turns of automating testing using Virtual PC - which has the advantage of scriptable copying of bootable systems
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	that's great, Benja, do you have a link to your video?
[15:33]	Benja Kepler:	yes, hold on
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood:	the problem is, how will blind people navigate the world ?
[15:34]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benja - I'm sure theres tons of good ideas for a blind client.. just playing devils advocate
[15:34]	Benja Kepler:	http://youtube.com/watch?v=2sEkDuGIMQc
[15:34]	Wyn Galbraith:	I've worked with people who are blind using computers. We once had a young man on a MUSH that was blind. He used his reader and his imagination.
[15:35]	Wyn Galbraith:	It would be the same in SL.
[15:35]	Kooky Jetaime:	yea but a mush and 3d environment are two dif things
[15:35]	Benja Kepler:	er, sorry, no offence meant, I used the term in respect of restricted graphics - as Virtual PC has only VGA support!
[15:35]	Kooky Jetaime:	but
[15:35]	Wyn Galbraith:	Not that much so.
[15:36]	Wyn Galbraith:	The system has to know where objects are, correct?
[15:36]	Kooky Jetaime:	but if you could create an audible radar (Chair, 3m forward, Table, 2m Right) it might be useful.
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	this is a great video, Benja!
[15:37]	Benja Kepler:	ha ha - I was thinking in terms of a script that would use keyboard actions to open Inventory, Map and so forth
[15:37]	Wyn Galbraith:	Exactly. This kid had to create his own tools even for a textbased enviroment because his reader got confused with certain formats.
[15:37]	Benja Kepler:	the basics that should be tested after a new build
[15:37]	Benja Kepler:	but would be tested automatically while Linden X was sleeping ]
[15:37]	Benja Kepler:	or eating sushi
[15:37]	Wyn Galbraith hmms sushi.
[15:37]	Benja Kepler:	and then it would text his cellphone
[15:38]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hello, this is you computer calling, test failed
[15:38]	Benja Kepler:	indeed
[15:38]	Benja Kepler:	saves a resident filing a bug like - "hey, the head is missing"
[15:38]	Wyn Galbraith:	Then you could call it back ;)
[15:38]	Benja Kepler:	(on his avatar)
[15:39]	Benja Kepler:	thx Benjamin
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood:	voice viewer blog post is out
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm sending it to the voice team!
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	the only thing
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	Welcome to the convo Squirrel
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	hehehe
[15:39]	JayR Cela:	Squirrel so is the Download for the new viewer as well
[15:40]	Kooky Jetaime:	The only thing is when you start trying to test things with a different version of the viewer your defeating the test
[15:40]	Wyn Galbraith was almost napping.
[15:41]	Benja Kepler:	well, Kookey, if the core functions need testing, i.e. not viewer related, then an automated 'blind' viewer would do that
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	has anyone used voice chat for group or one-to-one calling?
[15:41]	Wyn Galbraith:	At this time it's best to start testing on the new viewer.
[15:41]	Kooky Jetaime:	I need to wait till tommorrow before I can download the new client
[15:41]	Benja Kepler:	it wouldn't be useful for anything viewer-related......
[15:41]	Wyn Galbraith needs her headset.
[15:42]	JayR Cela:	Benjamin I doubt if I will use voice at all
[15:42]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benja - only problem with that, is how often have ween seen changes to one subsystem affect a completly different one that was practically unrelated
[15:42]	Benja Kepler:	so it's like a subset
[15:42]	Kooky Jetaime:	happened a couple months ago
[15:42]	Benja Kepler:	sure, Kooky - I was just amazed when trying a new viewer to see the head missing in the Appearance editor, for example
[15:43]	Kooky Jetaime:	hahah
[15:43]	Benja Kepler:	that's gotta be a 'core' test
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	well we have a very small QA team
[15:43]	Kooky Jetaime:	ok, we're talking, Ben is quiet
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	to it's hard to have coverage on all the features
[15:43]	Kooky Jetaime:	Benjamin, I'm sure there are tons of us people who would be willing to help with QA
[15:43]	Kooky Jetaime:	but
[15:43]	Benja Kepler:	sure, Ben, that's why I say it'd be cool if we could automate some of it
[15:44]	Kooky Jetaime:	need the opportunity
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, that's definitely the hope Benja
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	sorry, I don't wear my headphones during office hours
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	too distracting :-)
[15:44]	Kooky Jetaime:	haha
[15:44]	Benja Kepler:	cool
[15:44]	Wyn Galbraith:	Well, mine's not coming till Aug 17th.
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	plus I'm still trying to eat lunch
[15:44]	Benja Kepler:	ha ha
[15:44]	Kooky Jetaime:	I've got mine
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	the headphones hurt my ears after a while
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	we have 90% of our meetings in-world
[15:45]	Wyn Galbraith should have gone to the store to get them, "But I hate dealing with salespeople."
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	so I have on headphones a lot
[15:45]	Kooky Jetaime:	Sounds like you need different ones Ben
[15:45]	Wyn Galbraith:	Too bad we can't get something like they use on Stargate: Atlantis.
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	I want earbuds
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	with a mic
[15:45]	Benja Kepler:	so, the next First Look is WindLight?
[15:45]	Wyn Galbraith:	Except those may not be real.
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I believe that's the plan, Benja
[15:46]	Benja Kepler:	;)
[15:46]	Benja Kepler:	This is so much fun - I can't believe it only costs me ten pounds a year
[15:47]	Benja Kepler:	and some people use it for nothing
[15:47]	Benja Kepler:	lol
[15:48]	Wyn Galbraith:	What's 10 pounds a year?
[15:48]	Wyn Galbraith:	That's like 50US correct?
[15:48]	Kooky Jetaime:	10pounds is closer to 5USD
[15:48]	Wyn Galbraith doesn't know the exchange rate.
[15:49]	Wyn Galbraith:	I thought it was about 4+US per pound.
[15:49]	Benja Kepler:	well, 72 $ a year, less stipends, 20 us a year, 2 to the pound , so ten quid - a round of beers.....
[15:49]	Kooky Jetaime:	Sorry
[15:49]	Squirrel Wood:	www.xe.com
[15:49]	Kooky Jetaime:	10 quid is $20.26
[15:49]	Kooky Jetaime:	Google
[15:49]	Wyn Galbraith:	Never thought to subtract stipends.
[15:49]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh quid, not pound then.
[15:50]	Kooky Jetaime:	Quid = Pounds
[15:50]	Benja Kepler:	1 quid - 1 knicker =1 pound = 2 dollars
[15:50]	Benja Kepler:	lol
[15:50]	Wyn Galbraith facepalms. "What can I say, I'm an USer.
[15:50]	Kooky Jetaime:	So am I Wyn
[15:50]	Squirrel Wood:	10.00 GBP = 20.3693 USD
[15:51]	Benja Kepler:	er, yeah .3683 out, sorry...
[15:51]	Benja Kepler:	oh no
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	ok
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	back to UI
[15:51]	Benja Kepler:	.3683
[15:51]	Benja Kepler:	LOL
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	maybe we should build a currency converter into the UI :-)
[15:51]	Benja Kepler:	arghh
[15:51]	Kooky Jetaime:	might not be a bad idea
[15:51]	Squirrel Wood:	xe.com is a very good one to use ^^
[15:52]	Benja Kepler:	no! a year ago, I didn't know how to make videos of 3D graphics - and now I do, for 10 ish pounds!?!!?
[15:52]	Benja Kepler:	wow
[15:52]	Wyn Galbraith:	I'm a little behind on the exchange rate then. Last time I looked it was 3.75ish US per pound.
[15:52]	Benja Kepler:	that's my opinion
[15:53]	Kooky Jetaime:	yep
[15:53]	Kooky Jetaime:	I googled for mine
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	Benja, the Voice PM would like to know if she can link to your video from the Voice FAQ
[15:53]	Benja Kepler:	of course!
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	great, thanks!
[15:54]	Benja Kepler:	(it uses Torley's music)
[15:54]	Wyn Galbraith:	Torley is such a great talent.
[15:54]	Wyn Galbraith is going to go through Torley's music for something to fly a kite ballet to.
[15:55]	Wyn Galbraith:	Well it's been a nice week for LL meetings.
[15:56]	JayR Cela:	well I am off to an Intel Dev meeting / they are doing an Open Source discussion today
[15:56]	JayR Cela:	any one want a LM
[15:56]	Benja Kepler:	sure
[15:56]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh they are? Darn.
[15:56]	JayR Cela:	starts in 4 minutes
[15:56]	Wyn Galbraith:	I have RL stuff I"m suppose to be doing.
[15:56]	Kooky Jetaime:	Hey Ben, idea for more collections on surveys.. The next time they decide to pop up surveys during login (like they have been) suggest doing a targeted pjira one.. see who knows what it is, how to use it, etc....
[15:56]	Kooky Jetaime:	its kinda ui related
[15:56]	Wyn Galbraith:	Think it might be over my head?
[15:57]	JayR Cela gave you Conference Center, Intel Software Network (174, 117, 89).
[15:57]	Wyn Galbraith:	Maybe I should go anyway and see. I'm not a programmer though, I'm more of a tester.
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	that's an interesting idea, Kooky
[15:57]	Benja Kepler:	thx JayR
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	you could mention it to Iridium at the next bug triage
[15:57]	Kooky Jetaime:	Because one of the common things I hear at office meetings
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	she would probably put one together
[15:57]	Wyn Galbraith:	Thanks JayR.
[15:57]	Kooky Jetaime:	is people saying "well there arn't many votes"
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for coming everyone!
[15:58]	Kooky Jetaime:	ok
[15:58]	Kooky Jetaime:	bye Ben
[15:58]	Benja Kepler:	ok!see you
[15:58]	Benjamin Linden:	see you next week!
[15:58]	JayR Cela:	Ok well perhaps I will see you all there
[15:58]	Wyn Galbraith:	Thanks for the meeting Benjamin ;)
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	have fun!