User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Aug 21
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Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:
| [10:01] | Jacek Antonelli: | Heya Ben :) |
| [10:01] | Torley Linden shouts: It's BEN!!!! | |
| [10:02] | Benjamin Linden: | hi Torley! :-) |
| [10:02] | Torley Linden: | Heyhey! |
| [10:02] | Benjamin Linden: | good morning everyone |
| [10:02] | Nock Forager: | mornin! |
| [10:02] | Oryx Tempel: | morning |
| [10:02] | JayR Cela: | hey there |
| [10:03] | Tao Takashi: | Hey Ben |
| [10:03] | Torley Linden: | Yo Logan! |
| [10:03] | Logan Linden: | hi |
| [10:03] | Tao Takashi: | who is coming to SLCC? |
| [10:03] | Jacek Antonelli: | heya Logan |
| [10:03] | Benjamin Linden: | hey Logan |
| [10:03] | Nock Forager: | hi logan |
| [10:03] | Benjamin Linden: | I won't be making it to SLCC unfortunately |
| [10:03] | Logan Linden: | hi, just here to listen in |
| [10:03] | Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype | |
| [10:03] | Benjamin Linden: | but we do have a good number of lindens coming |
| [10:03] | Tao Takashi: | awww :( |
| [10:03] | Benjamin Linden: | pretty light crowd today |
| [10:03] | Torley Linden: | *nod* |
| [10:03] | Benjamin Linden: | I wonder where everyone is |
| [10:04] | JayR Cela: | ben / good / what are we discussing today ?? |
| [10:04] | Tao Takashi: | in Chicago ;-) |
| [10:04] | Benjamin Linden: | let me grab the agenda |
| [10:04] | Tao Takashi: | I am also just shortly hear just to be somewhat in touch :) need to get working again soon |
| [10:04] | Benjamin Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:05] | Benjamin Linden: | looks like we don't have any bugfix patches today (at least since the agenda was created) |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden: | so let's have a look at the first bug |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1875 |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden: | it's actually under feature request patches |
| [10:06] | Torley Linden: | Heya Aric and Iridium! |
| [10:06] | Torley Linden: | :D |
| [10:06] | Iridium Linden: | Hiya! |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden: | hey guys |
| [10:07] | Iridium Linden: | Why am I always late to these? Jeez. |
| [10:07] | Torley Linden: | VWR-1875 sounds like a bigger projective, conducive with something we're already been planning within Studio Shiny? |
| [10:07] | Jacek Antonelli: | Heya |
| [10:07] | Aric Linden: | hello |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | wow Lindens outnumber Residents today :-) |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | we were just getting started |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1875 |
| [10:07] | Benja Kepler: | only numerically speaking |
| [10:07] | Aric Linden: | hmm |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | this is a pretty incredible patch if it works |
| [10:07] | Iridium Linden: | Thank you. |
| [10:07] | Roof Doors: | Aric Linden is at the door. |
| [10:07] | Aric Linden: | wonders if he's needed? |
| [10:07] | Torley Linden: | Intriguing... |
| [10:08] | Jacek Antonelli: | Yes, very interesting. I'm drooling a bit here |
| [10:08] | Benjamin Linden: | we've been planning to do this internally but if this patch does it, that would be fantastic |
| [10:08] | Iridium Linden: | Should we import it? |
| [10:09] | Benjamin Linden: | most definitely |
| [10:09] | Iridium Linden: | kk |
| [10:09] | Benjamin Linden: | we'll need to run it by Steve to see if it fits into his plans for supporting skinning |
| [10:09] | Torley Linden: | Aric I think your insights are needed. =) |
| [10:09] | Aric Linden: | grins |
| [10:09] | Aric Linden: | thanks torley. |
| [10:09] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-787 |
| [10:10] | JayR Cela: | hmmm my experience with skinning is minimal / mostly WinAmp / and it is a mess |
| [10:10] | JayR Cela: | I would hate to see the SL Client turn into a mish mash of unsuportable skins |
| [10:10] | Benjamin Linden: | well certainly it would be optional for people to use skins |
| [10:11] | JayR Cela: | just my opinion is all |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | but we receive frequent requests for an ability to customize the client |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | especially lately with the communicate window :-) |
| [10:11] | Oryx Tempel: | I was just going to say that |
| [10:11] | Jacek Antonelli grins | |
| [10:11] | Oryx Tempel: | lots of people complain about the size |
| [10:11] | Nock Forager: | but it's would be wonderful people can choose. Something like basic mode and advance mode. |
| [10:11] | JayR Cela: | Ben dont evan get me started on the new communicate window / YUCK !! |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | it's already possible to do basic customization of the XUI |
| [10:12] | Iridium Linden: | Yup |
| [10:12] | Oryx Tempel: | but it's not obvious to most |
| [10:12] | Iridium Linden: | I think there's a wiki on that. |
| [10:12] | Nock Forager: | oh |
| [10:12] | Benjamin Linden: | but the current implementation overwrites changes everytime you update |
| [10:12] | Jacek Antonelli: | It would make developing the UI more convenient, which is nice from my perspective |
| [10:12] | Benjamin Linden: | it looks like this patch may address that, which would be fantastic |
| [10:12] | Torley Linden: | Wow, there are so many subtleties in Second Life. |
| [10:13] | Benjamin Linden: | JayR, I'd love to talk to you more about your problems with the Communicate window, could you come to office hours on Thursday to discuss? |
| [10:13] | Iridium Linden: | Shall we import and move on/ |
| [10:13] | Benjamin Linden: | we're still evolving the design |
| [10:13] | Benjamin Linden: | yes, please Iridium |
| [10:13] | Iridium Linden: | ? |
| [10:13] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-787 |
| [10:13] | Iridium Linden: | Typos, ack. |
| [10:13] | Torley Linden: | *imports and moves on too* |
| [10:13] | JayR Cela: | Ben I can be here thursday / NP |
| [10:14] | Benjamin Linden: | great, thanks JayR! |
| [10:14] | Jacek Antonelli: | VWR-787 seems easy enough, if Spike Linden has confirmed it? |
| [10:14] | Jacek Antonelli: | Import, if it hasn't been already? |
| [10:14] | Torley Linden: | Yeah... I haven't seen VWR-787 myself; I'd change priority to Major. |
| [10:14] | Tao Takashi: | k, I gotta head out but will be back after SLCC :-) Have fun everybody! |
| [10:15] | Benja Kepler: | cya |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Tao, see ya! |
| [10:15] | Torley Linden: | Take care Tao! |
| [10:15] | Iridium Linden: | K, bye, Tao! |
| [10:15] | Oryx Tempel: | ciao |
| [10:15] | Torley Linden: | I can ping Spike about it too. |
| [10:15] | Iridium Linden: | SEe you there! |
| [10:15] | Nock Forager: | cya Tao! |
| [10:15] | Iridium Linden: | So import this one? |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | yeah, this seems reasonable |
| [10:15] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2010 |
| [10:15] | Torley Linden: | It's been around awhile; it involves Building and Permissions too so I'll add those components. |
| [10:15] | Torley Linden: | *imports* |
| [10:16] | JayR Cela: | Toprley I think it would be nice to actually know what I am returning to people / right now all we get is the number of objects to be returned / a description of each object about to be returned would be nice |
| [10:16] | Benja Kepler: | vwr-2010 has a great comment by Soft : " you've created a situation where a couple having sex, might miss an ultra important Linden notice " |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | that's a good idea JayR |
| [10:17] | JayR Cela: | ben TY |
| [10:17] | Torley Linden: | JayR: You also know that to-be-returned objects glow inworld (altho that's hard to see), yes? |
| [10:17] | Benjamin Linden: | this is a tricky one |
| [10:17] | Iridium Linden: | Frankly a description would drive me nuts. Especially if I'm returning 500 items. |
| [10:17] | Jacek Antonelli: | VWR-2010 is a tough one to solve... both front-to-back and back-to-front have good and bad points |
| [10:17] | Torley Linden: | See Soft's comment in that. |
| [10:17] | JayR Cela: | Torley / I yes but usually the wrong objects seem to be glowing / at least that has been my experience |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | I think we originally approved it but sounds like there were some additional complications |
| [10:18] | Torley Linden: | JayR: We should have a repro for that, then, since it sounds buggy. Evidence helps. =o) |
| [10:18] | Oryx Tempel: | question about 2010 |
| [10:18] | Iridium Linden: | So how shall we proceed with 2010? |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | sure, Oryx |
| [10:18] | Oryx Tempel: | it's talking about ultra important notices like Linden shut down etc |
| [10:18] | Oryx Tempel: | anyway to make those a different color and higher priority? |
| [10:19] | Oryx Tempel: | and the rest just average |
| [10:19] | Iridium Linden: | That's an idea, Oryx. |
| [10:19] | Torley Linden: | You know, that's interesting -- since we DID change the appearance of the debit permissions dialog. |
| [10:19] | Iridium Linden: | Wonder how hard that would be. |
| [10:19] | Oryx Tempel: | yup |
| [10:19] | Torley Linden: | It makes sense to me. |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | right Torley |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | good idea Oryx |
| [10:19] | Oryx Tempel: | :) |
| [10:19] | JayR Cela: | Oryx / good idea about differnt color for important notices / besides just the normal Blue color |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley can you add a note to that effect |
| [10:20] | Iridium Linden: | Especially with Het-Grid rolling out. |
| [10:20] | Benjamin Linden: | and let's plan to discuss this at our internal rx triage |
| [10:20] | Iridium Linden: | That would be really helpful. |
| [10:20] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2046 |
| [10:20] | Torley Linden: | Oryx, sounds like a good idea for future feature request for next UI hour perhaps if you want to create a new issue and link... I'll add a note too. |
| [10:20] | Torley Linden: | Did you want me to import 2010 too, Ben? |
| [10:20] | Iridium Linden: | So we'll import 2010, no? |
| [10:20] | Oryx Tempel: | maybe a subtask to 2010? |
| [10:20] | Iridium Linden: | That would work, Oryx. |
| [10:20] | Oryx Tempel: | kk will do |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | subtask sounds good |
| [10:21] | Iridium Linden: | What shall we do with the parent task? |
| [10:21] | Oryx Tempel: | I like newest below oldest...just IMO |
| [10:21] | Torley Linden: | I'm fine with importing it so we can keep track of it... if that sounds good to you guys? |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | I thought this was already imported |
| [10:21] | Torley Linden: | Not yet. :) |
| [10:22] | Iridium Linden: | Doesn't have a corresponding key. |
| [10:22] | Benjamin Linden: | but yes, let's go ahead and import. Torley can you add the rxtriage tag |
| [10:22] | Iridium Linden: | K, so import and 2046! |
| [10:22] | Torley Linden: | Will do! |
| [10:22] | Torley Linden: | Done. |
| [10:22] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2046 |
| [10:23] | Aric Linden: | I agree with Benja on this one |
| [10:23] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm not so sure, Aric |
| [10:23] | Benjamin Linden: | since these are non-modal messages |
| [10:23] | Jacek Antonelli: | Hrmm. Stealing keyboard focus is not nice. |
| [10:24] | Benjamin Linden: | and aren't intended to take the user's attention fully away from what they're doing |
| [10:24] | Benjamin Linden: | I could see how if you get a lot of group notices, etc, this could become very problematic while you're trying to talk to people |
| [10:25] | Aric Linden: | yes, but then they either stack up or you have to click to dismiss. the annoyance ends up being six of one and half a dozen of the other, I think. |
| [10:25] | Oryx Tempel: | I disagree with this one... esp for newbies who need to pay attention to what's going on |
| [10:25] | Benjamin Linden: | we should talk to richard to see if there is a keyboard affordance for navigating to the pop-up |
| [10:25] | Benja Kepler: | so, if you change the colour, then the focus will go along with that change too? |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | right |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | I was going to ask Torley to link this to the previous bug |
| [10:26] | Jacek Antonelli: | Generally, it makes the interface less predictable -- the keyboard focus could be taken away from chat at any time. |
| [10:26] | Benja Kepler: | (i.e. you decide which are modal and which are non-modal by colour) |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | critical notices can take focus |
| [10:26] | Torley Linden: | I'll link 'em... |
| [10:26] | JayR Cela: | yep changeing the color should be easy to implement |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | but I agree with Jacek, most of the time you don't want focus changing unexpectedly |
| [10:26] | Benja Kepler: | what colour would you like Torley? |
| [10:26] | Benja Kepler grins | |
| [10:26] | Iridium Linden: | haha |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | it drives me nuts everytime I run SL that the client steals focus from my other apps like three times while it's loading |
| [10:26] | Iridium Linden: | as if you didn't know ... |
| [10:27] | JayR Cela: | red for critical stuff |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | But don't make her choose one! |
| [10:27] | Nock Forager: | lol |
| [10:27] | Benja Kepler hums Melon Snow... | |
| [10:27] | Jacek Antonelli: | Is there any reason why notices (even important ones) require keyboard focus? We're talking about the blue dialogs, right? (money transfers, group notices) |
| [10:27] | Torley Linden: | Hahaha... :D |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | lol |
| [10:27] | Benjamin Linden: | so let's go ahead and import this for discussion along with the other notification issues |
| [10:27] | Torley Linden: | Well, not a total red but pinkish-red perhaps, so the text would be readable. |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | Ah, so much love for Torley. |
| [10:27] | Torley Linden: | But I'll import this for now. |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | hehe |
| [10:27] | Benjamin Linden: | I would like to see this marinate for a while and gather more votes and comments though |
| [10:27] | Torley Linden: | That Melon Snow thing was spontaneous silliness! |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | k, so moving on then? |
| [10:27] | Jacek Antonelli: | Aye |
| [10:27] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1405 |
| [10:28] | Benja Kepler: | gave me the giggles Sunday morning |
| [10:28] | Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... | |
| [10:28] Connected | ||
| [10:28] | Torley Linden: | Thanks for watching. =o) |
| [10:28] | Torley Linden: | (For later, Melon Snow -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=eaE0oymCrwg ) |
| [10:28] | Benja Kepler: | I just tried this (vwr-1045) and got ok results with smallish negative numbers.... |
| [10:28] | Benjamin Linden: | this one isn't really a UI bug |
| [10:28] | DewMar Martinek: | Hello |
| [10:29] | Benja Kepler: | so I'm not sure what the prob is |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | hi DewMar |
| [10:29] | Iridium Linden: | Shall we mark as needs more info? |
| [10:29] | Iridium Linden: | And move on? |
| [10:29] | Aric Linden: | Benja, are you on a winmac? |
| [10:29] | DewMar Martinek: | Just a quick question. I am a newbie. Where can i go to get more information on secondlife |
| [10:29] | Jacek Antonelli: | Seems it applies to OSX on intel only? |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | well someone else followed up and said it's a problem |
| [10:29] | Aric Linden: | or a mactel? |
| [10:29] | Torley Linden: | Hmm it looks like VWR-1405 is actually a dupe of VWR-2060? |
| [10:29] | Benja Kepler: | Aric, MS Vista ..... |
| [10:30] | JayR Cela: | Jacek / sounds like a compiler issue / mabey |
| [10:30] | Torley Linden: | I've seen a similar problem (with SLURLs) on Windows too. |
| [10:30] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, can you go ahead import this but remove the UI component |
| [10:30] | Benjamin Linden: | unless I'm misunderstanding this, it sounds like a scripting problem |
| [10:30] | Benja Kepler: | CPU: AMD (Unknown model) (2263 MHz) |
| [10:30] | Aric Linden: | Torley, please assign it to triage |
| [10:30] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-492 |
| [10:30] | Aric Linden: | and we'll look at it this week |
| [10:30] | Torley Linden: | OK -- I think this should perhaps be resolved as dupe, and VWR-2060 is already imported as SL-51900. |
| [10:30] | Torley Linden: | I'll do that Aric! |
| [10:30] | Aric Linden: | please link it to 51900 as well. Thanks! |
| [10:30] | Benjamin Linden: | ah ok |
| [10:31] | Torley Linden: | Sure! |
| [10:31] | DewMar Martinek: | thanks |
| [10:31] | Jacek Antonelli: | Ah, I've had VWR-492 -- very annoying! :( |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | ok cool, next up |
| [10:31] | Oryx Tempel: | 492 happens to me all the time |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | Jacek & Oryx, you guys may want to add your comments to the bug |
| [10:32] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next |
| [10:32] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1286 |
| [10:32] | Iridium Linden: | We imported 492, no? |
| [10:32] | Torley Linden: | PJIRA is crawling on me right now... |
| [10:32] | Benja Kepler: | I couldn't repro 1286 today so I don't understand the prob |
| [10:33] | Jacek Antonelli brushes it off Torley's shoulder | |
| [10:33] | Daedalus Young: | I've seen it happening |
| [10:33] | Torley Linden: | Yes Iridium, impprted that. |
| [10:33] | Daedalus Young: | alt-click on a hollow face, but camera focuses on where the outside of the prim 'would be' |
| [10:33] | Iridium Linden: | Thanks, Torley. |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | hmm I couldn't get that movie to run |
| [10:34] | Daedalus Young: | I'm downoading it now |
| [10:34] | Jacek Antonelli looks around for a hollow prim... | |
| [10:34] | Benja Kepler: | videos don't play right away? you can download it though |
| [10:35] | Benja Kepler: | I uploaded it today |
| [10:35] | Daedalus Young: | no, it's wmv, that doesn't play automatically on Mac :P |
| [10:35] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I'll try downloading |
| [10:35] | Daedalus Young: | here's a hollowed prim |
| [10:36] | Benjamin Linden: | Benja your video shows that this is fixed? |
| [10:36] | Benja Kepler: | it shows I couldn't repro it |
| [10:36] | Daedalus Young: | camera for me still 'thinks' this is a full cylinder, when I click on the inside |
| [10:36] | Benja Kepler: | but did I miss something? |
| [10:36] | Daedalus Young: | I'll do a video repro of it |
| [10:36] | Jacek Antonelli: | Hmm, I'm reproing it on the cylinder I made next door |
| [10:37] | Jacek Antonelli: | I think... |
| [10:37] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, this one is hard to understand without a video. |
| [10:37] | Benjamin Linden: | it seems to be working with this cylinder |
| [10:37] | Oryx Tempel: | works for me |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | maybe I don't understand the problem |
| [10:38] | Jacek Antonelli: | It's definitely setting the pivot point for the camera to someplace that is *not* where I clicked on the prim |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | I have noticed that Jacek |
| [10:38] | Daedalus Young: | if you zoom in way on the hollow face, the cam goes into 'zoom mode' as it does when you're trying to alt-in on a transparent face |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | I think the pivot poitn is always the center |
| [10:38] | Oryx Tempel: | no, i'm focusing all over the inside... |
| [10:38] | Oryx Tempel: | i can't get it to not work |
| [10:38] | Jacek Antonelli: | Ben: when I do the same thing on the outside of the cylinder, it focuses exactly where I click |
| [10:39] | Torley Linden: | (I won't be able to repro this one for now because the WindLight viewer has some zoom bug oddities.) |
| [10:39] | Daedalus Young: | oh, I'll do a video, it's easy to repro if you make a hollow cube of 10x10m, stand inside it and click on the hollowed side |
| [10:39] | Benjamin Linden: | I get the same pivot point no matter where I click on the cylinder |
| [10:39] | Daedalus Young: | the cam will then move outside the cube |
| [10:39] | Iridium Linden: | omg, are you in the WindLight viewer, Torley? |
| [10:39] | Benja Kepler: | it has to be 10x10x10? |
| [10:39] | Iridium Linden is jealous. | |
| [10:39] | Benjamin Linden: | so I think it might be confusion related to where the pivot point is set |
| [10:39] | Daedalus Young: | no, it doesn't have to be |
| [10:40] | Benja Kepler: | my one in the vid was |
| [10:40] | Torley Linden: | Yes, Iridium. :) |
| [10:40] | Iridium Linden: | omg, so kewl. |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | Benjamin is too :-) |
| [10:40] | Iridium Linden: | Oh, man! I' |
| [10:40] | Iridium Linden: | I've gotta get me one of those. |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | my house looks fantastic in windlight :-) |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I'm kind of at a loss about this one |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | it's not really a UI issue per se |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | more of a render issue |
| [10:41] | Benjamin Linden: | but I think we need to investigate this further |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | What shall we do with this one then? |
| [10:41] | JayR Cela: | Ben whats the deal with Windloght so far ?? |
| [10:41] | Jacek Antonelli: | Eh. A little of both. |
| [10:41] | Torley Linden: | JayR, see my project update: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden |
| [10:41] | Jacek Antonelli: | Yes, needs more investigation |
| [10:41] | Benjamin Linden: | I'd like to get some feedback from Richard or someone who understands the render engine |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1730 |
| [10:41] | JayR Cela: | Torley TY |
| [10:41] | Benjamin Linden: | let's leave this open for now, perhaps ping for more info |
| [10:41] | Torley Linden: | If we're going to look at VWR-1286, also look at VWR-98... not clear how same-ish they are. |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | So import? Or leave it? |
| [10:41] | Daedalus Young: | well, I'll do a video later, making it clearer, hopefully :P |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | kk |
| [10:42] | Torley Linden: | VWR-98 is imported, BTW. |
| [10:42] | Iridium Linden: | 1730! |
| [10:42] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Daedalus |
| [10:42] | Jacek Antonelli: | Ah, I've noticed 1730, but it didn't bother me enough to think of it as a bug |
| [10:43] | Daedalus Young: | we discussed 1730 earlier, but decided to wait for more opinions |
| [10:43] | Nock Forager: | Me too, I like current behavior. |
| [10:43] | Benjamin Linden: | ack this keeps rearing its head |
| [10:43] | Benjamin Linden: | I need to spend some time with the new options that were put in preferences around accepting inventory |
| [10:43] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, there is not a clear decision on this... |
| [10:44] | Torley Linden: | It's "Small" priority too so it's not a big deal, relatively speaking... not a lot of new people commented either, and there's only 2 votes. |
| [10:44] | Oryx Tempel: | three now :) |
| [10:44] | Torley Linden: | =) |
| [10:44] | Iridium Linden: | That's a fairly big fish these days, lol. |
| [10:44] | Iridium Linden: | So what shall we do with it?> |
| [10:44] | Iridium Linden: | Change priority and import? |
| [10:45] | Torley Linden: | 3 votes is a "fairly big fish", you mean, Iridium? |
| [10:45] | Iridium Linden: | Yup |
| [10:45] | Iridium Linden: | :) |
| [10:45] | Torley Linden: | Oh -- relative to top-voted JIRA issues (which go into the 100s) it's not. |
| [10:45] | Oryx Tempel: | i think it's really minor though |
| [10:45] | Benjamin Linden: | not necessarily for a feature request |
| [10:45] | Benjamin Linden: | which is really what this is |
| [10:45] | Jacek Antonelli: | There are several "not-voting" comments, though |
| [10:45] | Iridium Linden: | Ah, those are meta issues though, aren't they? |
| [10:45] | Torley Linden: | Iridium: Some, not all. |
| [10:45] | Oryx Tempel loves meta issues | |
| [10:45] | Iridium Linden: | I'd love to look at the stats, Torley. |
| [10:46] | Benjamin Linden: | torley can you import this and assign it to me |
| [10:46] | Daedalus Young: | yes, I'm a 'no-voter' on it :P |
| [10:46] | Torley Linden: | Sure Ben. |
| [10:46] | Benjamin Linden: | I need to investigate this further at some point |
| [10:46] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2033 |
| [10:46] | Torley Linden: | =^_^= |
| [10:46] | Iridium Linden loves JIRA stats. | |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | oh I just realized why we have such a light crowd |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | SLCC |
| [10:47] | Daedalus Young: | I have seen a similar issue earlier: directly communicating with something or somebody muted un-mutes them |
| [10:47] | Torley Linden: | Me too Iridium. |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, this is related to that other bug about mute confusing international residents |
| [10:48] | Iridium Linden: | :) |
| [10:48] | JayR Cela: | Torley this seems like a no~brainer to me / add the option to un-mute should be a given |
| [10:48] | Benjamin Linden: | I think we need some sort of convention for when you try to interract with people you've muted we give a warning |
| [10:48] | Torley Linden: | As noted in the comments, not only "mute", but "busy" is a problem... |
| [10:48] | JayR Cela: | Ben I agree 100% |
| [10:48] | Clarlicka Burger gave you Linden. | |
| [10:49] | Jacek Antonelli: | Yes, agree |
| [10:49] | Torley Linden: | I'll link it to that other issue too. |
| [10:49] | Iridium Linden: | Does this confuse everyone or is it linguistically related? |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, can you import this and link it to the other bug |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks! |
| [10:49] | Torley Linden: | =) |
| [10:49] | Daedalus Young: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1735 is the other issue more or less duplicating this |
| [10:49] | Daedalus Young: | idea is the same I think |
| [10:49] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1095 |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | that's a good one too Daelalus |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | Daedalus |
| [10:49] | Torley Linden: | I'll link that too Daedalus, thanx. |
| [10:50] | Daedalus Young: | ok, yw |
| [10:50] | Torley Linden: | Sharp eyez! |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | yeah really! |
| [10:50] | Benja Kepler: | the failed uploads in 1095 seem to be the sort of failure that would lead one to relog so..... it's another one I don't quite understand |
| [10:50] | Daedalus Young: | sharp memory, sometimes |
| [10:50] | Benja Kepler: | (and is difficult to repro) |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | I did have failed uploads in the past, but I was able to just upload it again a while later |
| [10:51] | Torley Linden: | Failed uploads are more prone to happen with server issues when we've got Grid difficulties. |
| [10:51] | Torley Linden: | I sometimes see failed uploads when sending postcards. |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | yes, there were grid issues at the time |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | is this a no-repro? |
| [10:51] | Torley Linden: | If you try to send a postcard but "Your Email" doesn't autopopulate, it's a good indicator that something is wrong with the database. |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | when that was over, I was able to upload |
| [10:51] | Iridium Linden: | Agreed, Torley. |
| [10:52] | Benja Kepler: | it's like, id it's raining, you take an umbrella |
| [10:52] | Benja Kepler: | *if |
| [10:52] | Torley Linden: | Hehe. |
| [10:52] | Iridium Linden: | So what shall we do with this one? |
| [10:52] | Iridium Linden: | Needs more info? |
| [10:52] | Torley Linden: | I'd resolve as "Needs More Info" if there's a repro ASIDE from Grid issues. |
| [10:52] | Iridium Linden: | right |
| [10:52] | Daedalus Young: | well at least More Info, this goes up to 1.17, so it could be different now |
| [10:52] | Iridium Linden: | kewl |
| [10:53] | Torley Linden: | OK, done. =) |
| [10:53] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1754 |
| [10:53] | Benja Kepler: | (vwr-1754) I think the slurl is a good thing, and since you can click on it the Chat History, it should be kept. Perhaps it could be shrunk in the message dialog. |
| [10:54] | Benjamin Linden: | but the notification doesn't appear in Chat history does it? |
| [10:54] | Torley Linden: | Benja, so the message dialog shows a condensed version but Chat History retains the full, clickable SLURL? |
| [10:54] | Benja Kepler: | for objects that give you notecards the message appears in chat history |
| [10:54] | Jacek Antonelli: | It DOES appear in chat history. Yes. |
| [10:54] | Oryx Tempel: | This is a cool idea... maybe a lower priority though? |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | I like this too, it does seem less cluttered |
| [10:55] | Torley Linden: | I reckon Nicholaz could do a patch for this too if he wanted. :D |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | what would be ideal is it would be a clickable link in both places, using the region/location as the link title |
| [10:55] | Daedalus Young: | at the very least, it doesn't have to be a slurl.com address, simply secondlife:// would work too |
| [10:55] | Torley Linden: | I wish we could click on SLURLs in dialog boxes and chat console (the transparent overlay). |
| [10:55] | Daedalus Young: | already taking out a good deal of clutter |
| [10:56] | Jacek Antonelli: | agreed, Daedalus |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | let's go ahead and import this as low-priority |
| [10:56] | Torley Linden: | Ok, changed priority to Small, imported. |
| [10:57] | Benjamin Linden: | ok where are we |
| [10:57] | Benjamin Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1980 |
| [10:57] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1980 |
| [10:57] | Iridium Linden: | Ack, thanks, Benjamin. |
| [10:57] | Benjamin Linden: | np! |
| [10:58] | Jacek Antonelli: | 1980 makes sense |
| [10:58] | JayR Cela: | I hate to just listen and leave / but I need to attend to RL / as a side note I will be havong open house at my castle Saterday the 25 4:00pm PDT / everyone is welcome / you can find the location in my profile under Picks |
| [10:58] | Benjamin Linden: | so with regards to this bug, we've already changed teh behavior of the friends list |
| [10:58] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks JayR! |
| [10:59] | Torley Linden: | Have a good one JayR. Thanks for being with us. :) |
| [10:59] | Benja Kepler: | cool, cya jayr |
| [10:59] | JayR Cela: | Everyone is welcome to come by / is just one big party place |
| [10:59] | Benjamin Linden: | that bottom panel no longer exists and you will be able to edit the permissions (view on map, edit my objects, etc) directly in the list |
| [10:59] | Jacek Antonelli: | Even better, Ben :D |
| [10:59] | JayR Cela: | bye~byee everyone |
| [10:59] | Iridium Linden: | Bye! |
| [10:59] | Daedalus Young: | bye |
| [10:59] | Oryx Tempel: | Bye! |
| [10:59] | Nock Forager: | cya |
| [10:59] | Benjamin Linden: | take care JayR |
| [10:59] | Miya Watanabe: | bye |
| [10:59] | Jacek Antonelli: | Those little icons are just so clickable-looking already :D |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | right |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | so we can resolve this as fixed internally |
| [11:00] | Iridium Linden: | kk |
| [11:00] | Iridium Linden: | And that's it, no? We're out of time. |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | I think that's a good stopping point |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks everyone! |
| [11:00] | Torley Linden: | OK, sounds good. *resolves* |
| [11:00] | Oryx Tempel: | I have a quick question while everyone's here |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | what's up Oryx |
| [11:01] | Oryx Tempel: | MISC-602 |
| [11:01] | Oryx Tempel: | :) |
| [11:01] | Oryx Tempel: | people on the forums have volunteered to help build roads |
| [11:02] | Oryx Tempel: | we understand that whoever is in charge of building roads is way backed |
| [11:02] | Oryx Tempel: | up |
| [11:02] | Iridium Linden: | Building Gov roads? |
| [11:02] | Benjamin Linden: | interesting |
| [11:02] | Iridium Linden: | We're not doing that anymore. |
| [11:02] | Oryx Tempel: | yeah on the protected Linden roads |
| [11:02] | Daedalus Young: | I also know of roads that are below ground level |
| [11:02] | Benja Kepler: | ok, gotta get my tea |
| [11:02] | Oryx Tempel: | the current "roads" are really undrivable |
| [11:02] | Benja Kepler: | bye |
| [11:02] | Daedalus Young: | bye |
| [11:02] | Jesse Linden: | a decaying infrastructure |
| [11:02] | Oryx Tempel: | bumpy |
| [11:02] | Jesse Linden: | how timely! |
| [11:02] | Nock Forager: | bye Benja |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | oh hey Jesse |
| [11:03] | Torley Linden: | Heya Jesse! |
| [11:03] | Oryx Tempel: | no, not the prim roads, the land roads |
| [11:03] | Jesse Linden: | Hi Benjamin |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | Hi Jesse. |
| [11:03] | Jesse Linden: | Torley |
| [11:03] | Daedalus Young: | I have done some car trips on the Southern Continent, it's fun really |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | The Gov roads. |
| [11:03] | Jesse Linden: | Iridium |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | Have you been to Jack's office hours? |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | I love this idea of an old crumbling highway |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | Cause he's the land Linden. |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | Whaz up, Jesse? |
| [11:03] | Jesse Linden: | yes, very American |
| [11:03] | Torley Linden: | Thanks all for being with us. |
| [11:03] | Torley Linden: | :o) |
| [11:03] | Torley Linden shouts: I see Bridie! | |
| [11:03] | Jesse Linden: | just thought id drop in for a sec |
| [11:03] | Oryx Tempel: | i usually can never make it to meetings... i work at same PST as you all.. home today |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | He would be the one to discuss Linden land and roads with. |
| [11:04] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks for coming everyone! |
| [11:04] | Torley Linden shouts: I'm using pedals to move my camera, it iz kewl! | |
| [11:04] | Torley Linden: | Ben and I are going to head off to another meeting. Take care all. |
| [11:04] | Torley Linden: | Aw, glad you could attend, Oryx! |
| [11:04] | Jesse Linden: | c ya later |
| [11:04] | Oryx Tempel: | :) |
| [11:04] | Torley Linden: | Cyas! |
| [11:04] | Logan Linden: | seeya |
| [11:04] | Daedalus Young: | byes |
| [11:04] | Logan Linden: | thanks |
| [11:04] | Nock Forager: | bye everyone |
| [11:04] | Iridium Linden: | Bye! |
| [11:04] | Benjamin Linden: | take care! |
| [11:04] | Aric Linden: | so long |
| [11:04] | Miya Watanabe: | bye folks |