User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Dec 20

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Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:01] Benjamin Linden: hey Squirrel!
[15:01] Squirrel Wood: Hello ^
[15:01] Benjamin Linden: where is everybody?
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: I dunno
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: It's been a very quiet day
[15:02] Benjamin Linden: people are probably on vacation
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: so I guess many are already on their way to meet their families
[15:02] Benjamin Linden: I'm going to run grab a drink brb
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[15:04] Benjamin Linden: ok back
[15:05] Benjamin Linden: hmm still no one here
[15:05] Benjamin Linden: oh Mike's here
[15:05] Benjamin Linden: hey Malbers
[15:05] Malbers Linden: howdy!
[15:05] Squirrel Wood: Holla ^^
[15:05] Benjamin Linden: Squirrel this is Malbers, one of our new UI designers
[15:05] Squirrel Wood: Nice to meet you :)
[15:05] Malbers Linden: you too.
[15:06] Benjamin Linden: I think I like you better when you're sitting down, Malbers
[15:06] Benjamin Linden: less visual distraction :-)
[15:06] Malbers Linden: really
[15:06] Benjamin Linden: all those floaty wavy tendrils
[15:06] Malbers Linden: i was just looking and i always seem kinda weird sitting
[15:06] Benjamin Linden: the yoga-style sit is kinda fun
[15:07] Benjamin Linden: light crowd today, I'm wondering if we should just call off the office hour
[15:07] Benjamin Linden: Squirrel, did you have any hot topics to discuss?
[15:07] Squirrel Wood: Not really
[15:08] Squirrel Wood gave you shirt_texture.
[15:08] Squirrel Wood: live updating chat window on avatar ^^
[15:08] Benjamin Linden: whoa
[15:08] Benjamin Linden: how is that done?
[15:08] Squirrel Wood: its a bug
[15:08] Benjamin Linden: haha really??
[15:08] Squirrel Wood: Yes
[15:08] Benjamin Linden: how does it repro?
[15:09] Squirrel Wood: though I have not found a way to reproduce it
[15:09] Benjamin Linden: did it happen to you?
[15:09] Squirrel Wood: When it happened, several people could see it on the avatar
[15:09] Squirrel Wood: instead of the normal shirt texture
[15:10] Jacek Antonelli: Hello hello!
[15:10] Benjamin Linden: hey Jacek
[15:10] Benjamin Linden: glad you could join us
[15:10] Squirrel Wood: wb Malbers :)
[15:10] Benjamin Linden: I was just about to call off the office hour :-)
[15:10] Benjamin Linden: so few people, everyone must be getting ready for Christmas
[15:10] Squirrel Wood: extreme sports....
[15:11] Squirrel Wood: last minute xmas present purchasing
[15:11] Benjamin Linden: haha yes
[15:11] Jacek Antonelli: hehehe
[15:11] Benjamin Linden: man I was bummed, amazon didn't have half the stuff I wanted to get my family
[15:11] Benjamin Linden: I got a roomba for my dad :-)
[15:11] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[15:11] Malbers Linden: roombas are cool
[15:11] Jacek Antonelli: That's an interesting avatar, Malbers!
[15:11] Malbers Linden: thanks
[15:11] Squirrel Wood: I have a besert water bag here..
[15:11] Squirrel Wood: err.. desert
[15:11] Benjamin Linden: I don't really have any set topics for today. progress on dazzle has slowed down somewhat due to the holidays
[15:12] Benjamin Linden: I'm hoping we'll have a first look sometime in January
[15:12] Jacek Antonelli: cool
[15:12] Squirrel Wood: Woo ^^
[15:12] Squirrel Wood: know anything about the progress of mono mayhaps?
[15:12] Benjamin Linden: trying to think if anything else interesting has come up lately
[15:12] Benjamin Linden: hmm, I haven't heard much noise about mono, Squirrel
[15:13] Jacek Antonelli: Any progress on making the "things to fix in the UI" list public?
[15:13] Benjamin Linden: well I put that on my list of things to do :-)
[15:13] Jacek Antonelli: hehe
[15:14] Jacek Antonelli: To do lists for to do lists!
[15:14] Benjamin Linden: lol yeah
[15:14] Benjamin Linden: I'll put them in a notecard and send it to you right now
[15:14] Jacek Antonelli: Ooh, super
[15:14] Benjamin Linden: so you'll have an idea
[15:14] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[15:16] Jacek Antonelli: Thanks ^_^
[15:16] Benjamin Linden: sure!
[15:16] Jacek Antonelli: Hrmm.. *thinks* There were some UI-related feature ideas I've had recently.
[15:16] Jacek Antonelli: Oh. One is I was trying to make a "Worn Items" tab on the inventory
[15:16] Benjamin Linden: here's the update on mono
[15:16] Benjamin Linden: [15:13] periapse: mono is in QA right now [15:14] periapse: we're just working on bugs [15:14] periapse: but hope to go to beta soon [15:14] periapse: havok4 is currently on the beta grid
[15:17] Jacek Antonelli: I got a hacky version of it... just a new tab that defaults to a search term of "(worn)"
[15:17] Benjamin Linden: that's a cool idea Jacek
[15:18] Benjamin Linden: there's so much we could do with inventory
[15:18] Squirrel Wood: heh
[15:18] Benjamin Linden: apparently so much of it involves scary server work though
[15:18] Squirrel Wood: I do have some script code that will extremely benefit of mono
[15:18] Jacek Antonelli: Yeah. A worn-items tab or filter is a much-wanted feature
[15:18] Jacek Antonelli: Hmm, what else... I was going to poke around and see how hard it would be to add a new clothing layer for the head... for masks and make-up and stuff
[15:19] Jacek Antonelli: The trick there would probably be convincing the server to save that information
[15:19] Jacek Antonelli: I'm not sure there's a field in the data form for it, or whatnot
[15:20] Benjamin Linden: I wouldn't be able to answer that unfortunately
[15:20] Benjamin Linden: oh Jacek, you didn't meet Malbers
[15:20] Benjamin Linden: he's a new UI designer at LL
[15:20] Jacek Antonelli: Oh!
[15:20] Jacek Antonelli: Neat :D
[15:20] Malbers Linden: howdy.
[15:20] Malbers Linden: just sitting in and trying to absorb ideas
[15:20] Jacek Antonelli waves
[15:21] Benjamin Linden: Malbers you could ask some exploratory questions related to personas if you'd like
[15:21] Benjamin Linden: I'm kinda running out of steam from being in meetings all day :-)
[15:21] Malbers Linden: yeah, i might want to talk to you at some time
[15:21] Malbers Linden: i'm looking to gather some data about builders/scripters/longer-term residents
[15:21] Squirrel Wood: Oh My. Meetings... the place to go when you have nothing better to do ;)
[15:21] Benjamin Linden: lol
[15:21] Benjamin Linden: if only that were the case
[15:22] Jacek Antonelli: I know some builders/scripters/longer-term residents! :D In fact I think I fall in all 3 of those myself
[15:22] Malbers Linden: yeah, i think i've had an hour break today (from meetings)
[15:22] Jacek Antonelli: Eep
[15:22] Squirrel Wood: builder... not that much myself but scripting.. very yes.
[15:22] Malbers Linden: i'm not ready this second but I might track you down in the new year
[15:22] Benjamin Linden: Malbers, it's too soon for your schedule to be that locked up!
[15:23] Malbers Linden: also, any other people like yourself that yo ucan think of that would be willing to talk to me too
[15:23] Jacek Antonelli: Cool. What's this 'personas' thing? Or is that top secret hush hush?
[15:23] Squirrel Wood: hmm.... Selkit Diller
[15:23] Squirrel Wood: He's sculpting away in his own sim
[15:23] Benjamin Linden: I'll let Malbers describe it
[15:23] Malbers Linden: just tryting various methods for delivering a better world for allresidents
[15:24] Benjamin Linden: personas are a way of thinking about users of a product
[15:24] Squirrel Wood: rendering of fur would make my day :p
[15:24] Benjamin Linden: trying to understand their needs and intents
[15:24] Jacek Antonelli: hehe Squirrel ^_^
[15:24] Malbers Linden: the more we understand about big categories of our users, the better we can decide how to design things
[15:24] Benjamin Linden: we thought about having a furry persona :-)
[15:24] Jacek Antonelli: Aha! So... user demographics, or something of that sort? Use cases?
[15:25] Malbers Linden: sort of; more than statistical demographics
[15:25] Malbers Linden: something to have to help inform use cases
[15:25] Jacek Antonelli: *nodnod* I think I understand, just not able to verbalize it at the moment
[15:25] Malbers Linden: goes much more to what your goals are for youruse of SL
[15:25] Jacek Antonelli: Right
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: roleplaying :)
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: hanging out with friends
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: being successful at building/scripting/selling stuff
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: shopping ^^
[15:26] Malbers Linden: socializing with similar people or different people (err... furries)
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: Yes
[15:27] Zuffy Frua groans!
[15:27] Zuffy Frua: hihi!
[15:27] Malbers Linden: but you are also a builder?
[15:27] Jacek Antonelli: So... Builder Persona needs to be able to manipulate prims easily, link them, change their properties. Scripter Persona needs to be able to keep track of open scripts and switch between them...
[15:27] Benjamin Linden: hi Zuffy
[15:27] Squirrel Wood: getting griefed by immature players who just log on for that specific purpose....
[15:27] Jacek Antonelli: heya Zuffy
[15:27] Squirrel Wood: Hey Fuzzy ^^
[15:27] Malbers Linden: Heya
[15:27] Jacek Antonelli: Zuffy has a utility belt! :D
[15:27] Zuffy Frua pokes squirrel
[15:28] Zuffy Frua Yup Yups
[15:28] Squirrel Wood: Meep!
[15:28] Zuffy Frua: keeps em horse tools on it
[15:28] Squirrel Wood: different switchable types of optimized UIs would rock :)
[15:29] Squirrel Wood: building, scripting, socializing, roleplaying, ..
[15:29] Zuffy Frua: ..skating
[15:29] Jacek Antonelli: hehe
[15:29] Benjamin Linden: that came up at a meeting I had earlier today, the idea of different UI "views"
[15:29] Benjamin Linden: for building, exploring, shopping, etc.
[15:29] Zuffy Frua: cooo, a shopping hud would be coolies!
[15:29] Benjamin Linden: sort of like perspectives in eclipse, or spaces on Mac
[15:29] Squirrel Wood: Oooo!
[15:29] Squirrel Wood: One thing I imagine...
[15:30] Squirrel Wood: map window...
[15:30] Zuffy Frua: \o/ for eclipse
[15:30] Squirrel Wood: you double-click on it somewhere...
[15:30] Squirrel Wood: and instead of "TPing" you there it zooms in on the map and right down onto your avatar in the chosen location ^^
[15:31] Zuffy Frua nibbles a plant
[15:31] Benjamin Linden: oh you mean that it would feel like you were falling into the map
[15:31] Benjamin Linden: onto the world?
[15:31] Squirrel Wood: no. the camera would zoom in on you from above :)
[15:31] aliceinwire Bleac: sorry i was teaching in a orientation session
[15:31] Jacek Antonelli: *wavewave to alice*
[15:31] Benjamin Linden: hi aliceinwire!
[15:32] Zuffy Frua: hihi alice
[15:32] Benjamin Linden: glad you made it
[15:32] Malbers Linden: hiya alice
[15:32] Benjamin Linden: this is Malbers, a new UI designer at LL
[15:32] Squirrel Wood: so you basically have a seamless transition from the map window to the normal client view
[15:32] Jacek Antonelli: Well, I am 100% in favor of getting a good understanding of how different people use SL to accomplish things :)
[15:32] aliceinwire Bleac: hello mablers :)
[15:32] aliceinwire Bleac: and i ?
[15:32] aliceinwire Bleac: when i be hte new designer of ll ???
[15:33] Squirrel Wood: you can try your luck by applying ^^
[15:33] Benjamin Linden: yeah I think I get what you mean, Squirrel
[15:33] Benjamin Linden: sort of like using google earth
[15:33] aliceinwire Bleac: yes but i'm in italy
[15:33] Squirrel Wood: char linden ^^
[15:33] Squirrel Wood: yes
[15:33] Benjamin Linden: that would be very cool
[15:34] aliceinwire Bleac: and the designer employment is not remote
[15:34] Benjamin Linden: Malbers, aliceinwire made her own purple version of the dazzle skin
[15:34] Malbers Linden: cool. snapshots?
[15:34] Jacek Antonelli: I hope people wouldn't get vertigo from watching the camera zoom down from space!
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aliceinwire/1895991861/
[15:35] Benjamin Linden: aliceinwire you missed my update earlier. Dazzle has been slow due to the holidays but we're hoping to get a firstlook out in january
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: there is also the new version
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: :D
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: good
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: i can help ?
[15:35] Benjamin Linden: I can't wait to get 3d goggles
[15:35] aliceinwire Bleac: uff i want come in san francisco and be your assistents
[15:36] Zuffy Frua: pink ui!
[15:36] Benjamin Linden: did anyone else see the patch to make SL render 3d splitscreen for goggles?
[15:36] Squirrel Wood gave you Terraformer UI on 1280x1024.
[15:36] Squirrel Wood: I saw the post somewhere
[15:36] Zuffy Frua: ooo ive got some 3d goggles
[15:36] aliceinwire Bleac: :D
[15:36] Benjamin Linden: oh yeah, Zuffy, what kind?
[15:36] aliceinwire Bleac: i want 3d google tooo
[15:36] Zuffy Frua: cant remember, they in cupbaord, they are quite old
[15:36] aliceinwire Bleac: is for that you was talking about google
[15:36] Zuffy Frua: they work with any 3d application
[15:37] Benjamin Linden: what's this screenshot Squirrel?
[15:37] Zuffy Frua: but give me sore eyes after about 5 mins
[15:37] aliceinwire Bleac: because ithere is the 3d version of google earth
[15:37] Jacek Antonelli: I have some 3d classes... the red and blue ones. *giggles*
[15:37] aliceinwire Bleac: i have try it :D
[15:37] aliceinwire Bleac: is cool
[15:37] Jacek Antonelli: *glasses
[15:37] Benjamin Linden: haha I have the ones they handed out at beowulf 3d
[15:37] Zuffy Frua: teehee, the 3d ones i have are LCD shutter types
[15:37] Squirrel Wood: that screenshot is of the UI I'm building for my terraformer
[15:37] Benjamin Linden: those are better :-)
[15:37] aliceinwire Bleac: i was in a party and my frind is come with a pack of 3d goggles
[15:38] Benjamin Linden: cool, Squirrel!
[15:38] aliceinwire Bleac: i have take one
[15:38] Squirrel Wood: actually the advanced UI which lets you adjust parameters
[15:38] aliceinwire Bleac: and at home i have try it on google earth
[15:38] Benjamin Linden: folks I'm falling into an afternoon stupor, I need to run downstairs and get some coffee
[15:38] Benjamin Linden: feel free to talk amongst yourselves
[15:38] Zuffy Frua: \o/ for coffee
[15:38] Jacek Antonelli: *rezzes a cup of coffee on Ben's RL desk* :D
[15:38] Squirrel Wood: c o f f e e ...
[15:38] aliceinwire Bleac: :D
[15:38] Benjamin Linden: haha I wish!
[15:38] Benjamin Linden: brb
[15:39] aliceinwire Bleac: i give you a cup of italian coffe
[15:39] Squirrel Wood: I had two double-espressi today
[15:39] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[15:39] Zuffy Frua: last day at work tomorrow!
[15:39] Zuffy Frua does the happy pony dance
[15:39] Squirrel Wood: ristretto...
[15:39] aliceinwire Bleac: :D
[15:39] Squirrel Wood: almost pure caffeine
[15:39] aliceinwire Bleac: i have no find bug on the new version
[15:40] aliceinwire Bleac: of dazzle
[15:40] aliceinwire Bleac: i'm using it most of time
[15:40] Malbers Linden: are you all working on or using dazzle right now?
[15:40] aliceinwire Bleac: and i'm using it right now
[15:41] Jacek Antonelli: Not on Dazzle right at this moment, no
[15:41] aliceinwire Bleac: :)
[15:41] Malbers Linden: jacek, you are mostly creating content for others?
[15:41] aliceinwire Bleac: we need to implement the menu for changing skin
[15:42] aliceinwire Bleac: is not so difficult to implement
[15:42] aliceinwire Bleac: but i think it use lost of space for the texture
[15:42] Zuffy Frua: we need autocomplete for script editor!
[15:42] aliceinwire Bleac: lots
[15:42] Zuffy Frua: \o/
[15:42] Jacek Antonelli: Hmm.... creating content, yes. But a lot for myself and my friends. But I do some content creation for pay, yes
[15:42] Squirrel Wood: I'm on windlight and plagued with grid alignment problems and textures not resizing properly when building... but other than that...
[15:42] aliceinwire Bleac: i love the vision of benjamin for the new gui
[15:42] Jacek Antonelli: I opened up a new store last weekend \o/
[15:43] Malbers Linden: I haven't seen much of dazzle yet
[15:43] Malbers Linden: but what i have seen looks really cool
[15:43] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[15:43] Malbers Linden: elegant. not too obtrusive.
[15:43] Squirrel Wood: It certainly is an improvement :)
[15:43] Zuffy Frua: ooo whats dazzle?
[15:43] aliceinwire Bleac: where are you frome malbers ?
[15:43] Squirrel Wood: dazzle is a project for a better UI :)
[15:44] Zuffy Frua: coolies, sounds spangley
[15:44] Squirrel Wood: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Dazzle
[15:44] Malbers Linden: as i understand it, there is also a lot of underlying UI technical work being done to support dazzel
[15:45] Jacek Antonelli: yep
[15:45] aliceinwire Bleac: i think this is resolved with the new dazzle version
[15:45] aliceinwire Bleac: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2916
[15:45] aliceinwire Bleac: right ?
[15:46] Malbers Linden: what kind of store, jacek?
[15:46] Jacek Antonelli: Miscellany, hehe. Cute stuff, I guess!
[15:46] Jacek Antonelli: People seem to like my mushroom chairs a lot
[15:46] aliceinwire Bleac: i can write resolved on that issue ?
[15:46] Malbers Linden: wow Squirrel, what did you do?
[15:47] Squirrel Wood: Me? It was that nut on me nose :)
[15:47] aliceinwire Bleac: or we need more information
[15:47] Squirrel Wood: It plays random sounds
[15:47] aliceinwire Bleac: like the resolution of the screen
[15:47] Malbers Linden: ah...
[15:48] aliceinwire Bleac: marble you are in the linden lab office in san francisco ?
[15:48] Zuffy Frua: \o/ for new UI
[15:48] Squirrel Wood: POKE!!!!
[15:49] Squirrel Wood: Carrot!
[15:49] Zuffy Frua eeps!
[15:49] Zuffy Frua: where!
[15:49] Zuffy Frua eeps!
[15:49] aliceinwire Bleac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aliceinwire/2038528301/
[15:49] aliceinwire Bleac: on windlight
[15:50] aliceinwire Bleac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aliceinwire/2044607421/
[15:50] aliceinwire Bleac: my pc screen shot
[15:50] Malbers Linden: interesting with the purple
[15:50] Jacek Antonelli: Yay for Dazzle + Windlight ^_^
[15:50] Zuffy Frua Yup Yups
[15:51] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[15:51] Zuffy Frua stomps his hoofy!
[15:51] aliceinwire Bleac: i have make also the torley version
[15:51] aliceinwire Bleac: :P
[15:51] Malbers Linden: do you als ogo to torley's office hours?
[15:51] Zuffy Frua: me heading back to pony club, nice meetin gyou all ^_^
[15:51] aliceinwire Bleac: sure
[15:51] Jacek Antonelli: bye, Zuffy!
[15:51] Malbers Linden: bye
[15:51] Squirrel Wood: I can be found at torleys hours ^^
[15:52] aliceinwire Bleac: so you are a designer
[15:53] aliceinwire Bleac: you have make something in second life ?
[15:53] Malbers Linden: I'm an interaction designer; an experience designer
[15:53] Malbers Linden: i do the same kinds of things that Ben does.
[15:53] Malbers Linden: I haven't really created anything in SL
[15:53] Malbers Linden: Definitely need to learn more about that
[15:53] Squirrel Wood: ^^
[15:53] Malbers Linden: and the best way to learn is to do
[15:54] Squirrel Wood: Indeed
[15:54] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[15:54] Malbers Linden: but I'
[15:54] Squirrel Wood: the ivory tower of prims is a good place to start
[15:54] Malbers Linden: but I'm not an artist by training.
[15:54] aliceinwire Bleac: http://torley.com/dazzle-revision-2-is-out-and-you-can-try-it-now
[15:54] aliceinwire Bleac: you can see my torley version here
[15:54] Squirrel Wood: there's plenty of tutorials there
[15:54] Malbers Linden: ivory tower of prims. thanks for the pointer.
[15:55] Jacek Antonelli: NCI also has good building and scripting classes every week. I used to teach an Advanced Building class there :)
[15:55] aliceinwire Bleac: was the first welcome area of second life
[15:55] aliceinwire Bleac: the ivory tower
[15:56] aliceinwire Bleac: uff i want be a linden i want see the linden HQ
[15:57] aliceinwire Bleac: maybe i can have a special pass for see it :D
[15:57] aliceinwire Bleac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/2111661348/
[15:58] aliceinwire Bleac: i love this picture :D
[15:58] aliceinwire Bleac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/2109592198/
[15:58] aliceinwire Bleac: and my cool car :D
[15:58] Jacek Antonelli: hehe
[15:58] Malbers Linden: torley seems to be everywhere, have infinite time, and infinite knowledge.
[15:58] Squirrel Wood: hehe
[15:58] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[15:59] Jacek Antonelli: Maybe that means Torley is.... a god?!
[15:59] Malbers Linden: in my eyes...
[15:59] Benjamin Linden: ok I'm back.
[15:59] Squirrel Wood: yesterday.... [15:28] Torley Linden: Haha ME NEEDS CLONES!
[15:59] Jacek Antonelli: Hehe. Yep, lots of people would agree
[15:59] Benjamin Linden: sorry that took a lot longer than I expected
[15:59] Benjamin Linden: Malbers, did you solve all the UI problems while I was gone?
[15:59] Squirrel Wood: Yay! You successfully completed the quest for coffee. You earn 100 experience.
[15:59] Malbers Linden: absolutely
[15:59] Jacek Antonelli: *giggles*
[15:59] Jacek Antonelli: Good job Malbers, here's a raise!
[15:59] Benjamin Linden: sweet!
[16:00] aliceinwire Bleac: malbers if you have any problem you can ask me
[16:00] Malbers Linden: I just put us out of jobs. damn
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: sadly I need to run to my next meeting
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: there will always be meetings, Malbers
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: not matter what we do
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: :-)
[16:00] Squirrel Wood: hehe
[16:00] Squirrel Wood: Have fun at your meetings :)
[16:00] aliceinwire Bleac: ^^
[16:00] Malbers Linden: awesome. good meeting all of you
[16:00] Jacek Antonelli: Ah, fun. Spending all day in meetings. That's the life to look forward to!
[16:00] Malbers Linden: off to other meetings.
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: thanks all!
[16:00] Jacek Antonelli: Nice to meet you too, Malbers! And to see you again, Ben :)
[16:00] Benjamin Linden: enjoy your holidays and happy new year!
[16:01] aliceinwire Bleac: if you have any problem you can ask me
[16:01] Squirrel Wood: Hoppy nude deer ^^
[16:01] Jacek Antonelli: lol
[16:01] Benjamin Linden: we will probably skip office hours next week
[16:01] aliceinwire Bleac: i like help
[16:01] Jacek Antonelli: Okay, Ben
[16:01] aliceinwire Bleac: :(
[16:01] Benjamin Linden: take care everyone!