User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Nov 15

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:06]	Jacek Antonelli:	Please tell me the keyboard focus stealing has already been fixed internally? ^_^
[15:06]	Kooky Jetaime:	jacek - nope
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	I believe it has Jacek
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	oh :-(
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	hmm they were talking about it at Oss
[15:07]	Benjamin Linden:	Kooky, what's the bug number
[15:07]	Jacek Antonelli:	And added a "Mute" button to the requests, like there is for inventory offers?
[15:07]	Kooky Jetaime:	I guess theres 2 patches in limbo land
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	there is one more griefer cube over in campus
[15:08]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'm asking Gigs, Benjamin
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	ok thanks
[15:09]	Kooky Jetaime:	he said at the mtg there were 2 different patches in jira for fixing the issue
[15:09]	Kooky Jetaime:	but neither have been accepted
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	two more in campus...
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	ok well let's try to have a meeting
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	gone ^^
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	the support folks are on top of this
[15:09]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'm getting attacked from somewhere
[15:09]	Squirrel Wood:	Its been ongoing today in various sims
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	and they're pushing an updated blacklist to keep it from happening again
[15:10]	Miz Mizin:	ive been attacked many times at sandboxes aaswell
[15:10]	Miz Mizin:	like Columbia
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	so
[15:10]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben - vwr-2502
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	anybody have any hot topics?
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Kooky
[15:10]	Squirrel Wood:	Woot. declined well over 500 requests in record time ^^
[15:11]	Jacek Antonelli:	Also VWR-2046
[15:11]	Dance Bracelet For Ladies v3.5 (Club Elite) whispers: Club Elite Dance Script v3.5. Type 'Help' for commands.
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	oh this isn't the steal focus one
[15:11]	Jacek Antonelli:	2046 is the steal focus
[15:11]	Jacek Antonelli:	2502 is the mute button
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	ok
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	It really would be nice if they'd make it into a release one of these days... ah, well.
[15:12]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben - re the blacklist, is it a personal or object?
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	Let's see. Hot topics.
[15:12]	Jacek Antonelli:	I finished converting the Client and Server menus to XUI last week :D
[15:12]	Kooky Jetaime:	hot topic: the oss community getting pissed off?
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ugh, that's too hot for me. I've had enough of it on the mailing list, don't want it here plz >_<
[15:13]	Kooky Jetaime:	oh, its on the mailing list too?
[15:13]	Jacek Antonelli:	Or did you mean something besides the licensing "discussion" ?
[15:13]	Kooky Jetaime:	maybe i should finally subscribe ?
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	sorry folks, got a little distracted
[15:14]	Kooky Jetaime:	licensing? nope.. just the apparent lack of speed when it comes to oss contribs being accepted / entered into the main code instead of being orphaned in jira.
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	that's great news about the menus jacek
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	are you going to submit a patch?
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	Ahh. Yes, that is another hot topic
[15:14]	Jacek Antonelli:	The patch has already been submitted and triaged
[15:15]	Squirrel Wood:	yay!
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	ok update on the steal focus bug
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	it was fixed in our maint-ui branch
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	which is merging to release this week
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	which means it will go out probably in 1.19.0 or 1.19.1
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	so unfortunately it will probably be a several more weeks before we see that
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, patches do seem to mosey along through the process. Even when they are "fixed internally", they take so long to make it into release. I guess they're going through QA or something?
[15:16]	Squirrel Wood shouts: Thanks for taking care of the animation spam cubes ^^
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we've signifcantly slowed down the release process to build in multiple layers of quality checks
[15:16]	Jacek Antonelli shouts: Thanks, Plexus and Periapse!! <3
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	I think it's a worthwhile trade-off to avoid crashing
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, quality control is good
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	Indeed
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	And the firstlook viewer shows it
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	(Yay, windlight \o/ so purty)
[15:17]	Jacek Antonelli:	Any timeframe for Dazzle working on windlight, Benj?
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	is everybody having fun playing with the new viewers?
[15:17]	Squirrel Wood:	Aside from a few little quirks its working smoothly
[15:17]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm hoping to put a windlight compatible dazzle preview out in the next couple days
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	it's actually pretty easy to fix
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	Dazzle + Windlight would make my heart melt and ooze out my belly button
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	you just have to grab the right graphics preferences files out of windlight
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	lol @ jacek
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	you and Torley! :-)
[15:18]	Jacek Antonelli:	^_^
[15:18]	Tylock Ling:	yes but some bugs like invisiprims make shinyprims invisible and some scripts arnt soomth than befor
[15:18]	Kooky Jetaime:	mm if you have the debug menus xui'ed then I might just do my redesign
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli:	Any chance you could write a mini-howto get Dazzle on Windlight on the Wiki, to get us started? Then we volunteers can expand as needed
[15:19]	Jacek Antonelli is not so patient ^_^
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm glad you like Dazzle that much Jacek!
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	I haven't had a chance to figure out the specific fix yet
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	ok
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	once I do I'll definitely post it
[15:20]	Jacek Antonelli:	great :D
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	DEV-5981 (not exactly an UI thing but still viewer related)
[15:21]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmm?
[15:21]	Squirrel Wood:	VWR-2876 :p
[15:21]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'm still getting things shot at me
[15:22]	Kooky Jetaime:	my shield is going a little wonky
[15:22]	Kooky Jetaime:	especially since I can't build
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	this is the same as the other ones right?
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	or related rather
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	I suspect all those fixes will go out at the same time
[15:23]	Knives Corleone:	uh oh.
[15:23]	Knives Corleone:	Am I intruding?
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	pardon me if I am
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	^^
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood:	no intruders here ^^
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	Phew
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	no, you're welcome to join us Kinves
[15:24]	Jacek Antonelli:	hello!
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	Knives rather
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	Was just clicking on links in a friends profile
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	I saw the linden thingy
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	^.^
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	so does anyone have feedback on the latest Dazzle update?
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	Never met a linden before
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	yay!
[15:24]	Knives Corleone:	I'd like to sit, if I may
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	nice to meet you Knives :-)
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	of course, join us!
[15:25]	Benjamin Linden:	we're talking about User Interface and usability issues
[15:25]	Knives Corleone:	its a pleasure to make your aquaintance as well
[15:25]	Knives Corleone:	^.^
[15:25]	Knives Corleone:	How intriguing
[15:25]	Knives Corleone:	Oops, no where to sit
[15:25]	Knives Corleone:	I'll stand and listne
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'm going to install Dazzle in my (non-Windlight) 1.18.5
[15:25]	Jacek Antonelli:	You can sit between Benjamin and me :D
[15:26]	Knives Corleone:	WHy thank you kindly
[15:26]	Benjamin Linden:	nice pants, Knives
[15:26]	Knives Corleone:	I hope I didnt throw off the conversation, I get excited around people
[15:26]	Knives Corleone:	hehe
[15:26]	Knives Corleone:	why thank you
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Darkane
[15:27]	Darkane Soderstrom:	hey
[15:27]	Jacek Antonelli:	ok, be back momentarily... with Dazzle! *does jazz hands and poofs*
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	so one problem we've run into with Dazzle is the text colors
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	currently the floating text that appears above the chat bar in the lower left (when the communicate window is closed) is light text on a dark background
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	we want to change the communicate window text to be dark text on a light background
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	but the chat console (the floating text) uses the same text color as the near me tab (dark text in this case)
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	so it doesn't show up on the dark background
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	so we have a couple options
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	we can change the chat console background to be lighter, a gray like the communicate window background
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	or we could make the near me tab (chat history) box have a dark background to match the chat console
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	any suggestions or preferences?
[15:29]	Benjamin Linden:	does that even make sense? it's a big hard to describe in text
[15:29]	Miz Mizin:	if I may say I prefer it as it is
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood:	whatever looks cool is good with me ^^
[15:29]	Knives Corleone:	hehehe
[15:30]	Jacek Antonelli:	Changing the near-me tab to a dark background would be more similar to the pre-Dazzle colors, correct?
[15:30]	Knives Corleone:	is this on a different client?
[15:30]	Knives Corleone:	pardon me, I should pay attention to somethings I may not have been hear for
[15:30]	Knives Corleone:	*here
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	that's correct Jacek
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	one advantage of that is that it would make the near me tab visually distinctive from the others
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	so you would be less likely to accidentally type something in that window you intended to type n IM
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	and vice versa
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood:	Ben, you have any screenshots of the new UI design ?
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	of Dazzle?
[15:32]	Kooky Jetaime:	hehe we've all done THAT before
[15:32]	Squirrel Wood:	ye
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	you're not running Dazzle, Squirrel?
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	Nope
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	<gasp>
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	:-)
[15:33]	Kooky Jetaime:	I'm not either
[15:33]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:33]	Squirrel Wood:	regular firstlook client :p
[15:33]	Knives Corleone:	May I ask, what is Dazzle?
[15:33]	Kooky Jetaime:	BE-t
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Visual_Update
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	there's info and screenshots there
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	so you guys aren't running it because it doesn't work with windlight?
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hrmmm. Does the chat bubble need a restart for the colors to change?
[15:34]	Kooky Jetaime:	Jacek - are you good with menu creation or just with converting over the existing?
[15:34]	Squirrel Wood:	I have not had time to get it set up :p
[15:34]	Jacek Antonelli:	Kooky: I can do new menus too
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	the chat bubble is hard coded to black
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	ah, darn
[15:35]	Kooky Jetaime:	ok... when I'm done with this layout, would you mind taking a look and giving me an opinion
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	I was hoping to emulate it and see how it would look
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	Squirrel, someone created an auto-installer for dazzle
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	it's up on the wiki also
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood:	okay. there's no firstlook/windlight installer/patcher for dazzle yet
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	Kooky, are you reorganizing the menus?
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	that's correct Squirrel
[15:35]	Kooky Jetaime:	gonna try :)
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	that's great, I've been wanting to do that for a while
[15:35]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe, sure, I'll take a look Kooky \o/
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	it's such a mess!!
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	we were just looking at the particle menus earlier today
[15:36]	Kooky Jetaime:	my grandeos sense of logic still has me wondering where things are cuz they make no sense
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	half of it doesn't even make any sense
[15:36]	Kooky Jetaime:	particle menu?
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	under View
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	the particle settings
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	are sprinkled about here and there
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	ahh
[15:36]	Jacek Antonelli:	like it Beacons
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	right
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	You need to use squirrel logic on the menus.
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood:	When done everything will be perfectly hidden.
[15:37]	Jacek Antonelli:	Yeah, lots of things in the menus have gotten lumped together against logic, hehe
[15:37]	Kooky Jetaime:	well, some are screaming at the lack of space too on the menu bar
[15:37]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben - any progress on the UI guide ? of how things should be/work/based on?
[15:38]	Jacek Antonelli:	The Tools menu is a jumble of different things, some building, some scripting, etc. etc.
[15:38]	Squirrel Wood:	I wonder if the dazzle patchers can handle installation folders other than c:\program files\secondlife
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	no Kooky, but we did make an offer to a guy who has done a ton of work on UI guidelines before
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	so I'm hoping he'll hop on that! :-)
[15:39]	Kooky Jetaime:	Jacek - just remember, anything before a / should be ignored.... I'm just putting in the original place for some things so you know where they are comming from
[15:39]	Squirrel Wood:	lack of space = 800x600 and such window sizes or screen resolutions :p
[15:39]	Benjamin Linden:	Kooky, what do you mean about lack of space?
[15:40]	Kooky Jetaime:	uhm..
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	Can't fit all the different menus along the top bar?
[15:40]	Kooky Jetaime:	who would ever set their SL window to 320x240?
[15:40]	Kooky Jetaime:	a masochist?
[15:40]	Jacek Antonelli:	(And the other stuff, like the time and money and search)
[15:40]	Squirrel Wood:	Most likely. Though those would go for 160x120
[15:41]	Kooky Jetaime:	yea, but thats not a menu option :)
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe
[15:41]	Jacek Antonelli:	One thing I have been noting lately is the UI getting in my way. It's always done it, I just notice now. Especially when building! :(
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	haaha I can't believe that's actually an option
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	my sl viewer detects the monitor aspect ratio of my tft at 8:5 when the "official" ratio is 16:10
[15:41]	Squirrel Wood:	Its still correct :)
[15:41]	Benjamin Linden:	Jacek, did something change that makes that worse?
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'm constantly moving the Build floater back and forth across the screen so I can edit the thing I want
[15:42]	Jacek Antonelli:	Nope, it's still the same. I'm just more sensitive to it now, or something
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	we are doing some work internally to make the UI more manageable
[15:42]	Squirrel Wood:	you need a wiiiiide screen tft... 1920x1080 or 1600x1200 or something
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	things like docking
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	but that's a ways off
[15:42]	Miz Mizin:	im a Mac user and dockng is cool idea
[15:43]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oooh, docking would be nice. *picturing moving her mouse over to the side, and the Build floater coyly slides out from the side to say hello*
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	exactly!
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	have you guys seen this?
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User_Interface_Improvements
[15:44]	Miz Mizin:	im probly buttin in but building with texture windows up is hard work
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	it proposes a design for making the UI "disappear" when you're not using it
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	unfortunately we don't have the resources to build it right now
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	yes, I was just looking at that today
[15:45]	Jacek Antonelli:	Would be pretty neat
[15:45]	Knives Corleone:	why not have a show hide tab for the build menu when its open?
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	ut-oh.... jira.secondlife.com - cannot connect to server
[15:45]	Knives Corleone coughs.
[15:45]	Knives Corleone:	pardon me
[15:45]	Knives Corleone:	^^
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	show/hide could be an intermediate step
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	well there is a minimize button
[15:46]	Squirrel Wood:	minimize interferes with the chat bar and possible chat windows at the bottom of the screen
[15:46]	Jacek Antonelli:	Although I was a little bit concerned by the "modal interface" idea... I hope it wouldn't make it too difficult to be doing 2 things at once. For example, I often am building and scripting at the same time (well, switching back and forth frequently)
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	there's also work underway to address that Squirrel
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	no, the idea is that it's not really modal
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	the onscreen movement controls are expressed modally
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	but it wouldn't affect your ability to do things simultaneously
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh, sorry, I was thinking of a different page. I was thinking of the UI roadmap
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	right, I know which project you're referring to
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	there isn't much definition around that just yet
[15:47]	Jacek Antonelli:	Okay
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	it's still a ways off
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	after skinning even, I believe
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	yep
[15:48]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe, I'll not worry about it for a while then
[15:48]	Benjamin Linden:	how is the new search working for people?
[15:48]	Knives Corleone:	Or if you could resize the build window
[15:49]	Miz Mizin:	search is hard for finding precise names
[15:49]	Miz Mizin:	but the favrites is better
[15:49]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh! I just noticed something, Benjamin. Dazzle needs a search icon :D It's just a gray square now. I think it was a magnifying glass before?
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	haha yes
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	well as you know, dazzle came out before Search
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	so the current dazzle files don't have a search icon
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	right
[15:50]	Jacek Antonelli:	Just wanted to make sure you knew ^_^
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	Miz, can you explain what you meant about harder to find precise names?
[15:51]	Miz Mizin:	i cannot find a shop for instance sometimesd
[15:51]	Miz Mizin:	or a club
[15:51]	Miz Mizin:	or even an island name
[15:51]	Miz Mizin:	i work round it by using the map
[15:51]	Miz Mizin:	so its not perfect
[15:51]	Benjamin Linden:	do you mean with the new search?
[15:52]	Miz Mizin:	yes
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	so it's worse than old search for you?
[15:52]	Miz Mizin:	no its improved
[15:52]	Miz Mizin:	but still cant find some things
[15:52]	Miz Mizin:	no idea why
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	could you give me some examples
[15:52]	Miz Mizin:	er i could make nsome noted for next time
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not actually running the search client at the moment
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	ok
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	that would be helpful for us
[15:53]	Miz Mizin:	or...say Baines beach
[15:53]	Miz Mizin:	sometimes have to find on map
[15:53]	Miz Mizin:	sorry not to be specific
[15:53]	Squirrel Wood:	Results 1 - 10 of about 109 for Squirrel Wood. ^^
[15:53]	Knives Corleone:	sim names
[15:53]	Miz Mizin:	i remember..sometimes youre in a placfe and use search to find out what it is
[15:54]	Miz Mizin:	and you cant
[15:54]	Jacek Antonelli:	Well, one thing I just tried was searching for "Ben Linden". In the "People" tab, it comes up with Bender Linden, Benefits Linden, Benjamin Linden, and Benoc Linden... but in the "All" search, only the "Benjamin Linden" profile shows up
[15:54]	Miz Mizin:	using the text search results on top menu bar
[15:54]	Miz Mizin:	lol
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I don't think search knows about region names unfortunately
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	it's quite bad in that regard
[15:55]	Jacek Antonelli:	I guess you're the only popular Ben* Linden, Benjamin ;)
[15:55]	Squirrel Wood:	It will get better ^^
[15:55]	Miz Mizin:	that could get ppl a bit mad
[15:55]	Miz Mizin:	:)
[15:55]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm surpised Ben Linden only returns me though
[15:55]	Miz Mizin:	im ddetermined lol
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, Miz, in user testing we've seen that people are very confused about the difference between searching the map and searching in main search
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	we need to bring those together
[15:56]	Miz Mizin:	yep
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	somehow
[15:56]	Jacek Antonelli:	I'me looked through 13 pages of the results so far. If the others are listed, they're getting lower priority than some escort shops that offer "lindens for services" >_<
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood:	Results 1 - 10 of about 131 for Ben Linden
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	or make the the distinction clearer
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:56]	JetZep Zabelin waves
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	I bet it's because they don't have anything in their profile
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	I probably come up because I have a ton of stuff in the wiki
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	that's my guess
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	probably so
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	[10:19] Torley Linden: BEN!!! ... [10:21] Torley Linden: Thanks a lot Ben!
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	oh Torley
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	Torley's the best
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	Sometimes it's... hard to understand what the logic behind the search results order is. :\
[15:57]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehe Torley's great \o/
[15:57]	Miz Mizin:	hes awesome
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	[10:07] Benjamin Linden: Good morning everyone;
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	hi JetZep
[15:58]	JetZep Zabelin:	hi!
[15:58]	Jacek Antonelli:	Benjamin: has the hard-coded black chat bubble been fixed internally? If not I'd have a mind to make a patch for it
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	OMG. I find my name quite often in the results for "Ben Linden"
[15:58]	JetZep Zabelin:	were u guys talking about the new search not resulting in some avatars (and groups btw)
[15:59]	Jacek Antonelli:	hehehe. Squirrel Wood and Ben Linden go together like Peas and Carrots?
[15:59]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben
[15:59]	Kooky Jetaime:	off the top of your head
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	haha yes, Squirrel, it's because you always come to my office hours :-)
[15:59]	Kooky Jetaime:	do you know if theres an open jira for the broken im flashing?
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	Jacek, no that bug hasn't been fixed
[15:59]	Benjamin Linden:	if you want to have a go at it that would be fantastic!
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	will do :D
[16:00]	Kooky Jetaime:	btw
[16:00]	Miz Mizin:	ps the waiting bug in friends can be fixed by selected see on map
[16:00]	Kooky Jetaime:	Ben, you have no name tag
[16:00]	Miz Mizin:	thaTS A BUG
[16:00]	Kooky Jetaime:	neither does knives
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood:	Oh...
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	what's broken with IM flashing?
[16:00]	Knives Corleone:	I dont?
[16:00]	JetZep Zabelin:	I see their names, but no group tag
[16:00]	Knives Corleone:	Must have lost it
[16:00]	Knives Corleone:	^.^
[16:00]	Squirrel Wood:	right-click an avatars attachment => Profile. You will see (waiting) and then (???) (???) show up instead of the profile.
[16:00]	Jacek Antonelli:	They don't have groups active :)
[16:00]	Kooky Jetaime:	I know that does have a open jira
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	Yes
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	And this 100% repros it
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	kooky, what's the deal with IM flashing?
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	click the avatar, all is ok. click the attachment.. (???)
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	if you get an im from a person
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	it don't flash in the window
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	I spy a Torley!
[16:01]	Kooky Jetaime:	groups do but individuals don't
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm I'm not sure
[16:01]	Squirrel Wood:	On the roof!
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	I'll check on it
[16:01]	Benjamin Linden:	folks I have to run to another meeting.
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	Squirrel: Yup, I just repro'd it on Knive's awesome boots :D
[16:02]	Torley Linden:	Hahahaha.
[16:02]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Torley!
[16:02]	Torley Linden:	Yeah I gotta head to the next meeting with Ben too, hi everyone!
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	Oh, ta ta Ben!
[16:02]	Knives Corleone:	^^
[16:02]	Squirrel Wood:	Have fun then ^^
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	Hi/Bye Torley!
[16:02]	Jacek Antonelli:	\o/ Windlight \o/
[16:02]	Knives Corleone:	Bye Ben, thanks for letting me sit in
[16:02]	Knives Corleone:	^^
[16:02]	Miz Mizin:	me too
[16:02]	Squirrel Wood:	talk aboot apportant stuff and such
[16:02]	Torley Linden:	*waves* ROCK ON! New video tutorial on WindLight coming in less than an hour too, it's basic stuff but FUNNNN.
[16:02]	Benjamin Linden:	bye all, thanks for coming!
[16:02]	JetZep Zabelin:	hi Torley=)
[16:02]	Torley Linden:	Ta!
[16:02]	Squirrel Wood:	and eat cookies
[16:02]	Benjamin Linden:	nice to meet the new folks
[16:02]	Squirrel Wood:	drink coffee!
[16:02]	Knives Corleone:	Yay
[16:02]	Knives Corleone:	^^
[16:02]	Squirrel Wood:	and have a good time ^^
[16:02]	Kooky Jetaime:	actually groups arn't flashing for me now either :/
[16:03]	Knives Corleone:	Bye Ben