User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Sep 06

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[15:02]	Dedalus Lunardi:	Hello Benjamin
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Whew. Just in time ^^
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Hello Benjamin ^^
[15:03]	Benjamin Linden:	hi guys
[15:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Open sauce meeting is about to end
[15:03]	Dedalus Lunardi:	Hello
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	what's open sauce
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	open source
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	oh lol
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	I forgot that's right before
[15:04]	Benjamin Linden:	wow we keep you guys busy don't we
[15:04]	Wyn Galbraith :phews.
[15:04]	Squirrel Wood:	Ooo... shameless Plug: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 - feature request to let people edit prim properties in the edit window like particles, hovertext, ..
[15:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	Open sause.
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood:	18 votes so far ^^
[15:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	Been there done that ;)
[15:05]	Saijanai Kuhn:	squirrl, I'm working on that one, and so much more...
[15:05]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:06]	Squirrel Wood:	It is amazing how much work it is to get people to actually vote for something that benefits them
[15:06]	Ciaran Laval:	You need more razzamatazz in the voting campaign
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	yes Torley's a big fan of that as well
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Saijanai
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Wyn
[15:06]	Benjamin Linden:	how was the OS meeting?
[15:06]	Wyn Galbraith's at her son's house and is pulled between two worlds as the son checks out our Burning Life camp. "And I won't be here next week."
[15:07]	Ciaran Laval:	Have you got that SL sized cutout ready yet Wyn :P
[15:07]	Wyn Galbraith will give Squirrel and others a Wyn lifesize place holder.
[15:07]	Wyn Galbraith:	Working on it.
[15:07]	Ciaran Laval:	Top banana
[15:07]	Saijanai Kuhn is pleased, He's go t his first patch almost done: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2039
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	cool!
[15:08]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Wonnky as you can make it, but a better solution will have to await some rewrites of much of the GUI framework
[15:08]	Benjamin Linden:	what're you wearing there Squirrel?
[15:08]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I'm using it right now
[15:08]	Wyn Galbraith is going away to some makebelieve place.
[15:08]	Squirrel Wood:	A me cutout ^^
[15:09]	Wyn Galbraith:	I want one.
[15:09]	Benjamin Linden:	there's a graphics performance improvement being considered which would use "avatar imposters" (2d billboards) for people a certain distance away
[15:09]	Wyn Galbraith:	It's a new fade, the Lindens have their bears and the residents their cutouts.
[15:09]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I have to special case it to leave the monospace font alone for the LSL text editors
[15:09]	Saijanai Kuhn:	otherwise it works just fine
[15:10]	Wyn Galbraith:	Fad not fade doh
[15:10]	Benjamin Linden:	that's great news, Saijanai
[15:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	next, up, a replacement for the Insert... dropdown combo box at the bottom of the LSL window...
[15:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	wjocj almost solves your jijra also, Squirrel
[15:11]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	you're really going to town Saijanai
[15:11]	Benjamin Linden:	getting used to our codebase?
[15:11]	Saijanai Kuhn:	this one is harder, cause I gott fudge my own outline list thing. the inventory list is too tied to the client's needs
[15:11]	Saijanai Kuhn:	getting her, Banjamin
[15:12]	Saijanai Kuhn:	getting there*
[15:12]	Saijanai Kuhn:	instead of a list of 200 keywords, a little floter with 3 folders: Functions, Events and Constants.
[15:12]	Benjamin Linden:	so there was some interesting discussion in sldev over the past couple weeks in response to my "new viewer shell" proposal
[15:13]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Dirk
[15:13]	Dirk Talamasca:	Hi there Benjamin
[15:13]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I've been talking to Steve LInden about it, and we had an interesting exchange on his User Interface roadmap. I think you should remind him of your interest in making teh framework scriptable, so he can keep that in mind as he works on revamping thinmgs
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	he is planning to do that right?
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	I believe I saw it on the roadmap
[15:14]	Benjamin Linden:	were you able to chat with him real-time Saijanai?
[15:14]	Saijanai Kuhn:	its not directly mentioned, no. He talks bout a better XML deal, but not concernging scripting specifically
[15:15]	Benjamin Linden:	I know that he does want to make the UI scriptable, but what the entails exactly I'm not sure
[15:15]	Saijanai Kuhn:	for a few minutes, yeah. He's not keen on my call for a simple GUI testing window separate from the client... itsw literally dead last in his agenda
[15:16]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I want it doen *first* but having worked a little more weith the current setup< i think he's right: its not worth doing until the whole thing is rewritten
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	it's hard to know what the right sequence of events is
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm always pushing for things that we "can't do right now"
[15:16]	Saijanai Kuhn:	OOP programmers are going to wince when they see where I had to stick my resizeable text code for example...
[15:16]	Benjamin Linden:	until x change is made to the code
[15:17]	Ciaran Laval:	Keeps it on the front page though Benjamin so that's a good policy to push
[15:17]	Saijanai Kuhn:	a GUI test window that is completely divorced from the client code just isn't possible without rewriting huge chungs of the client framework code, which is what he's doing anyway...
[15:18]	Saijanai Kuhn:	so asking him to do one for the *existing* framework just slows down the more important work
[15:18]	Benjamin Linden:	I see
[15:18]	Ciaran Laval:	How far away is the new framework?
[15:18]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I've pulled my hair out working with this thing. Its scary
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	that's the thing, Ciaran, is the work Steve's talking about won't happen for several more months
[15:19]	Saijanai Kuhn:	at least
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	but we need to continue improving the UI in the meantime
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	it's a tricky balance to strike
[15:19]	Ciaran Laval:	Well I think you should keep pushing the envelope then Benjamin in case those several months get delayed as big projects are likely to see
[15:19]	Squirrel Wood:	Things need to be carefully prepared.
[15:19]	Ciaran Laval:	Man I'm so tired I'm making no sense!
[15:19]	Benjamin Linden:	agreed Ciaran
[15:20]	Saijanai Kuhn agrees with Ciaran too: he makes no sense!
[15:20]	Saijanai Kuhn:	;-)
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	I wish I had more to report on the UI side of things. we have some nice improvements coming for the voice chat UI
[15:20]	Ciaran Laval:	lol I fell into that one
[15:20]	Benjamin Linden:	including real-time moderation
[15:20]	Squirrel Wood:	W00t ^^
[15:20]	Ciaran Laval:	Whoa
[15:20]	Saijanai Kuhn:	moderation or modulation as i voice morphing?
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	moderation as in controlling people's ability to speak
[15:21]	Benjamin Linden:	but it will only be for group chats
[15:21]	Saijanai Kuhn:	ah, OK. I thought that was a bit fast
[15:21]	Wyn Galbraith wonders when LL will absorb Torley colors for company colors ;)
[15:22]	Saijanai Kuhn sees mostly black right now. Is odd
[15:22]	Ciaran Laval:	Such as blocking certain group members from talking?
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	right Ciaran
[15:22]	Ciaran Laval:	Yeah that would be useful
[15:22]	Squirrel Wood:	A spray can to silence sound griefers with ^^
[15:22]	Benjamin Linden:	the scenarios we're trying to support are for things like speaking panels
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	where you only want a designated speaker talking at any given time
[15:23]	Ciaran Laval:	I like that a lot
[15:23]	Saijanai Kuhn:	a lecture where only the peoploe on stage, or a qestioner can speak?
[15:23]	Ciaran Laval:	Would be great for meetings
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	right Saijanai
[15:23]	Ciaran Laval:	and teaching yes
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	I wish we were doing it for in-world voice chat but I guess that will have to happen later
[15:23]	Saijanai Kuhn:	would make 57 Milo over at Dr Dobbs island very happy
[15:23]	Benjamin Linden:	people will need to join a group to have this capability
[15:23]	Saijanai Kuhn:	he does their voice recording of the lectures
[15:24]	Saijanai Kuhn:	.....
[15:24]	Ciaran Laval:	Which brings us back to the old chestnut of 25 groups
[15:24]	Saijanai Kuhn:	we need a special group then
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	yes!
[15:24]	Benjamin Linden:	there's been talk of increasing that for this very reason
[15:24]	Squirrel Wood:	Yay!
[15:25]	Ciaran Laval:	Excellent
[15:25]	Saijanai Kuhn:	besides, I need more tabs to play wackamole with
[15:25]	Squirrel Wood:	I have like a dozen or more groups I'd like to be in but cannot join due to the limit
[15:25]	Saijanai Kuhn:	good random eye hand coordination exercise
[15:25]	Ciaran Laval:	lol haven't played that for years
[15:26]	Saijanai Kuhn:	just join 25 busin groups. same thing
[15:26]	Ciaran Laval:	haha
[15:26]	Ciaran Laval:	lol
[15:26]	Wyn Galbraith needs 100 groups.
[15:26]	Saijanai Kuhn contemplates multiple layers of tabs in the communications window
[15:26]	Saijanai Kuhn:	fun!
[15:27]	Ciaran Laval:	Being able to oinvite people to a group for a limited time would be useful too, so for a class you invite everyone for say a couple of hours
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah that's something that's been thrown around Saijanai
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	we are adding an interesting new feature to the communicate UI
[15:27]	Saijanai Kuhn:	but not for wackamole game purposes...
[15:27]	Benjamin Linden:	the Communicate button will have a flyout menu that lists all of your open IM/chat sessions
[15:27]	Squirrel Wood:	A panic button that reads "Do not press" ?
[15:28]	Benjamin Linden:	so you can easily jump to a particular message
[15:28]	Ciaran Laval:	Would have to be a big red panic button so people couldn't resist pressing it
[15:28]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL Squirrel.
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood:	centered on the screen and taking up 90% of the screen space
[15:28]	Squirrel Wood:	And if you press it it'll send an IM to every single Linden and then log you off? ^^
[15:29]	Saijanai Kuhn:	one thing that is still needed is a window that you can shrink down and open automatically to a minimum required size if you click that local/group chat button to the right
[15:29]	Wyn Galbraith:	Scary
[15:29]	Saijanai Kuhn:	when you close the scroling window it shrinks back down
[15:29]	Squirrel Wood , known for silly ideas and suggestions :p
[15:29]	Saijanai Kuhn:	oh wait, something like that exists in the RC, nm
[15:30]	Benjamin Linden:	which local/group chat button, Saijanai?
[15:30]	Wyn Galbraith likes silly ideas and suggestions, "besides the best brainstorms come from doing that."
[15:30]	Saijanai Kuhn:	the one that was fixed and I never noticed... ;-)
[15:30]	Saijanai Kuhn:	the bluee button with the <<< in it on the far right
[15:30]	Wyn Galbraith is starting to dream about this stuff.
[15:31]	Benjamin Linden:	oh right, for opening the participant list
[15:32]	Benjamin Linden:	well I'm hoping that people will react positively to the updates we're making for the next voice release
[15:32]	Saijanai Kuhn:	combine that with my resizeable chat text thing and I can now wear my glasses while typing in sl
[15:33]	Ciaran Laval:	Some people will never react positively to voice even if it's good but keep up with the updates and improvements
[15:33]	Saijanai Kuhn:	cause i can reset the UI scale also
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Ciaran, yeah it's hard to please everyone :-)
[15:33]	Benjamin Linden:	one thing I'd like to do is post a page on the wiki that shows the evolution of the chatterbox design
[15:33]	Dirk Talamasca:	Death to all who oppose us.
[15:33]	Dirk Talamasca:	LOL
[15:33]	Ciaran Laval:	lol
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	because I think we don't do a very good job of communicating our design rationale
[15:34]	Saijanai Kuhn:	This actually restores the functionality that I misremembered as being able to set the size of chat text
[15:34]	Saijanai Kuhn:	But having big text is good anyway
[15:34]	Ciaran Laval:	That would be useful so people can see the changes rather than thinking back to their first experience
[15:34]	Saijanai Kuhn:	'cause I did it ;-)]
[15:34]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Rev
[15:34]	Timeless Prototype tips his hat
[15:34]	Revolution Perenti:	lol hey crew :P
[15:34]	Revolution Perenti:	how you been Ben
[15:35]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hey Revo.
[15:35]	Revolution Perenti:	oh yea Ben did you see jira
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	pretty good, busy as usual :-)
[15:35]	Timeless Prototype:	hiyas
[15:35]	Squirrel Wood:	Stupid sl client just froze for half a minute.
[15:35]	Revolution Perenti:	fixed one of your gui bugs
[15:35]	Benjamin Linden:	oh yeah, which one?
[15:35]	Saijanai Kuhn:	same here. Thought it wsa a mac
[15:35]	Wyn Galbraith:	Kick it Squirrel.
[15:35]	Saijanai Kuhn:	was my mac
[15:35]	Revolution Perenti:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2225
[15:35]	Wyn Galbraith:	Timeless hello too.
[15:35]	Timeless Prototype:	hiya Wyn
[15:36]	Revolution Perenti:	lol thought i bring him over :P
[15:36]	Dirk Talamasca:	I thought the implementation was good.. but initially the focus was getting it to work in a logical manner...it wasn't until it was realized that other logical mannerisms would conflict that the flaws became apparent
[15:36]	Wyn Galbraith:	Kickin' and screamin'?
[15:36]	Timeless Prototype:	lol
[15:36]	Dedalus Lunardi:	Sit, Revolution...
[15:36]	Revolution Perenti:	got the memory issue sorted just now Bed too i make up patch files later
[15:36]	Timeless Prototype:	nah I asked :) if it's OK
[15:36]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Timeless
[15:36]	Saijanai Kuhn:	what was thge issue?
[15:36]	Timeless Prototype:	hi Benjamin
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	seems there issue with the opengl wrapper
[15:37]	Benjamin Linden:	nice shirt :-)
[15:37]	Timeless Prototype:	ty, it's a good cause :)
[15:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	what was the bug with teh button allignment?
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	ah no i justed fixed that up
[15:37]	Squirrel Wood bes annoying, asks for more votes on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 - feature request to let people edit prim properties in the edit window like particles, hovertext, ..
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	like the map button was miss aligned in last meeting where ben never turned up lol
[15:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	was it just the xml file, or wsa it a drawing code issue?
[15:37]	Ciaran Laval:	I voted :P
[15:37]	Revolution Perenti:	i fixed it
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	cool, thanks for cleaning up that button Rev
[15:38]	Timeless Prototype gave you SaveNetRadio T-Shirt.
[15:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I'm working on that one squirrel
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for the shirt timeless
[15:38]	Wyn Galbraith wraps Squirrel up and sells her like candy.
[15:38]	Timeless Prototype:	yw
[15:38]	Revolution Perenti:	hehe timeless
[15:38]	Timeless Prototype gave you myDialog Broadcast.lsl.
[15:38]	Benjamin Linden:	what does the script do?
[15:38]	Saijanai Kuhn:	still wants to know what was the prolem... Was it just a bad XML file, or what?
[15:38]	Timeless Prototype:	it's readable, check it out, dialog broadcast with responses
[15:38]	Timeless Prototype:	instant vote thing maybe
[15:38]	Revolution Perenti:	well it was coded wrong , so i reposioned it
[15:39]	Timeless Prototype:	brb 10
[15:39]	Revolution Perenti:	still waiting for you to get cracking on that mozzila theme engine tho :P
[15:39]	Saijanai Kuhn:	so just xmlo? Ah, thought they said they'd checked that. Shouldn't trust the bug-reporters, eh?
[15:39]	Revolution Perenti:	well that was minor
[15:39]	Revolution Perenti:	i been working like 2 hrs debugging
[15:39]	Revolution Perenti:	i wrote a tem memory manager to find nvidia problems
[15:40]	Revolution Perenti:	becuase its paging out hte vram
[15:40]	Revolution Perenti:	and casuing sl to eat up over a gig
[15:40]	Revolution Perenti:	and if you dont have the memory
[15:40]	Revolution Perenti:	you lag to snail pace
[15:40]	Saijanai Kuhn:	that's a whole different issue. Is it OS specific, or is it an issue on all of them
[15:41]	Revolution Perenti:	really the whole llrender needs a rewrite
[15:41]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: Touched.
[15:41]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: Touched.
[15:41]	Revolution Perenti:	its not that good anymore for what we are asking sl todo
[15:41]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: Touched.
[15:41]	Revolution Perenti:	like alot of new features using vertex shaders too so we should be using cg
[15:42]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: Hello, Avatar!
[15:42]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: You don't touch the other cowboy hats that way...
[15:42]	Revolution Perenti:	how you been Wyn anyway
[15:42]	Black Suede Cowboy Hat: You don't touch the other cowboy hats that way...
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	one thing we talked about today was improving the pop-up notifications
[15:42]	Wyn Galbraith is ok mostly ;)
[15:42]	Benjamin Linden:	there's a patch to reverse the order that they appear, so newer ones appear underneath instead of on top (to prevent accidental mis-clicking)
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	however, we believe there are certain kinds of pop-ups that should always appear on top
[15:43]	Revolution Perenti:	i was looking at jira today going over it all seems the only main problem is memory leak been there since voice started
[15:43]	Ciaran Laval:	So are you going to weight the value of a pop up?
[15:43]	Squirrel Wood:	Prioritize important pop-ups like sim restarts and Linden Announcements to always show up on top ?
[15:43]	Revolution Perenti:	also lots of open tickets that never got closed so i closed them
[15:43]	Wyn Galbraith:	At my son's house and don't have the headset, so no voice today which could be a good thing. My email is down right now too, so anyone emailing me be alerted at delay in response time thanks Earthlink.net
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	that's the plan Ciaran, is to have a priority field for pop-ups
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	right Squirrel
[15:43]	Benjamin Linden:	and probably give system messages a different visual appearance
[15:44]	Ciaran Laval:	Ah now that is certainly a useful proposal
[15:44]	Revolution Perenti:	there plans for rating again, i did notice alot of the rating system still in the source code on svn
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood:	Definitely. Make them red or something ^^
[15:44]	Saijanai Kuhn:	and warnings that you're about to give every LInden you own to sme prim should also be more pronounced.
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	this is the pjira
[15:44]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2010
[15:44]	Squirrel Wood:	Attention! Object XYZ owned by ABC wants access to your wallet!
[15:45]	Ciaran Laval:	What does the p stand for?
[15:45]	Squirrel Wood:	public
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	actually we did fix that, Saijanai
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm not sure it's been released yet
[15:45]	Ciaran Laval:	Thanks
[15:45]	Revolution Perenti:	yea i saw that earier too glad i never attepted that one then :P
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-650
[15:45]	Benjamin Linden:	looks like it went out in 1.17.1
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm curious if people have thoughts on which types of notices should appear underneath
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	i.e. *not* pop to the top
[15:46]	Revolution Perenti:	also Ben something really important you know indara/newview/res
[15:46]	Revolution Perenti:	missing all the icons
[15:46]	Revolution Perenti:	i had to take really early build to find icons
[15:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I would assume group notices should be underneath
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	what are you talking about Rev?
[15:47]	Ciaran Laval:	Well everyone will think their message is the most important
[15:47]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Laetizia
[15:47]	Saijanai Kuhn:	we need a tabbed view for dialog boxes...
[15:47]	Laetizia Coronet:	'ello everyone
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	like in the svn and snapshot compile fails becuase lindens not provided icon sets in that folder
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	i also updated all the wilki for bost etc too
[15:47]	Revolution Perenti:	becuase it was somewhat out of date
[15:48]	Ciaran Laval:	I'm not sure how you're going to be able to rate the pop ups without a group category or message category
[15:48]	Saijanai Kuhn:	color coordintated...
[15:49]	Dirk Talamasca:	Any chance of notices going out in an IM with an internal link that could open the notice tab on the group window?
[15:49]	Squirrel Wood:	I would propose: Linden Messages: Priority 1, Debit perms: Prio 2, Sim owners messages: Prio 3, Group Messages: Prio 4, Everything else: Prio 5. And have each priority level color coded.
[15:49]	Benjamin Linden:	which icons specifically Rev?
[15:50]	Dirk Talamasca:	So you could open it when you wanted to
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	i would like weblinks clickable too
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	all of them in that folder
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	they are not there
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	in snapshots on wilki and svn
[15:50]	Revolution Perenti:	compile fails
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	there are also scripted objects
[15:50]	Benjamin Linden:	and things that pop open on first use, like the inventory
[15:51]	Revolution Perenti:	i took all the icons from slviewer-src-1.14.0.1 only version i could find
[15:52]	Revolution Perenti:	must say openjpg vs the jpg2000 is a bit laggy compared
[15:52]	Ciaran Laval:	Well I guess it would depend upon the type of scripted message.
[15:52]	Benjamin Linden:	rev which icons are missing?
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	are you talking about icons in the textures folder?
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	all of them from newview/res
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	in resources?
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	grab a snapshot you will see
[15:53]	Revolution Perenti:	yes
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	which icons are in there?
[15:53]	Benjamin Linden:	I thought all the icons are in skins/textures
[15:54]	Revolution Perenti:	none of them just resource.h and newViewRes.rc
[15:55]	Revolution Perenti:	like when you compile moans about icons missing in indara/newview/res
[15:55]	Laetizia Coronet:	ok, this discussion is beyond me... gnite all
[15:55]	Revolution Perenti:	so i took 1.14 release and took them from there and copied them into the folder
[15:55]	Revolution Perenti:	ok laetiza
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	see Laetizia
[15:56]	Dedalus Lunardi:	I go too. Bye everybody.
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	do you know which icons it's talking about Rev?
[15:56]	Ciaran Laval:	Bye Dedalus
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for the input on the pop-ups Squirrel
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	I think that's a good baseline
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	we may not be able to have that many priority levels
[15:56]	Squirrel Wood:	Its something workable and expandable :)
[15:56]	Wyn Galbraith:	Bye Dedalus
[15:56]	Benjamin Linden:	one thing that was mentioned is that anything you click on that results in an action should always pop to the top
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	like toolopen.cur, arrow.cur about 63 missing icons
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	because otherwise you may not realize it had an effect
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	Rev, can you file a jira bug for that listing out the missing icons and shoot me an email?
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	benglenn@lindenlab.com
[15:57]	Squirrel Wood:	hmm... immediate popups could go to center screen then ?
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	I'd like to research that
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	look at the snapshots or svn linden\indra\newview\res
[15:57]	Revolution Perenti:	ok i can do that i did file a jira last night but probley gets overlooked
[15:57]	Benjamin Linden:	centering the pop-ups was suggested but I'm not wild about that idea from an immersion perspective
[15:58]	Revolution Perenti:	when i went to fix that bug i was like where the icons
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	Make it an option ?
[15:58]	Squirrel Wood:	So people can choose where they want their popups ?
[15:58]	Revolution Perenti:	been there for sometime by the snapshot releases too
[15:59]	Revolution Perenti:	supised noone said it before
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	do you have a link to the jira Rev?
[16:00]	Revolution Perenti:	only bug i gota fix get up tonight is just the nvida bug but one of those bugs where sl needs to be running
[16:00]	Revolution Perenti:	1 sec i get it
[16:00]	Benjamin Linden:	people probably ignore build errors
[16:00]	Revolution Perenti:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2329
[16:01]	Revolution Perenti:	hey there sav
[16:01]	Savannah Glimmer:	Hey Rev
[16:01]	Revolution Perenti:	nice to see you as aways :P
[16:01]	Savannah Glimmer:	Great to see you too : )
[16:02]	Revolution Perenti:	i be running a class next week sav for you mentors lol
[16:02]	Revolution Perenti:	if you want to learn to script
[16:02]	Revolution Perenti:	lol
[16:02]	Savannah Glimmer:	oh cool, I'd love to do more than cut and paste
[16:02]	Revolution Perenti:	lol yea
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood:	scripting for dummies? ^^
[16:03]	Savannah Glimmer:	I'm teaching a building class , but not sure when
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	yeah Rev, I think it would be helpful if you added some more detail to this bug
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	like the error messages
[16:03]	Revolution Perenti:	ok ben i do that
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	and which specific resources are missing
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks!
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	ok folks we're out of time
[16:03]	Revolution Perenti:	lol like all 63 of them then ok :D
[16:03]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks again for your time
[16:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Thanks for being here with us today :)
[16:04]	Revolution Perenti:	thanks for yours too Ben, sorry i was little late
[16:04]	Benjamin Linden:	my pleasure
[16:04]	Benjamin Linden:	take care everyone, see you next week!
[16:04]	Savannah Glimmer:	nice seeing you Ben
[16:04]	Revolution Perenti:	see you take care
[16:04]	Squirrel Wood:	^^
[16:04]	Ciaran Laval:	Bye Benjamin