User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Sep 11
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Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:
| [10:05] | Torley Tester: | BEN!!! |
| [10:05] | Daedalus Young: | hi benjamin |
| [10:05] | Beware Hax: | ok if i camera navigate, my av updates |
| [10:05] | WarKirby Magojiro: | llSetText is a generally used thing to force a prim update, for whatever reason |
| [10:05] | Benjamin Linden: | hey guys |
| [10:05] | Beware Hax: | ok |
| [10:05] | Miya Watanabe: | hello. |
| [10:05] | Benjamin Linden: | sorry I'm a little late |
| [10:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | Speak of the devil and you hear the flapping of his wings. |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden: | hi Dnate, long time! |
| [10:06] | Boroondas Gupte: | the devil has wings? |
| [10:06] | Benjamin Linden decline 'OmniPhaze v2.0 Boxed' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hwaryeo/73/82/61 ) from OmniCorp Update Server. | |
| [10:06] | Beware Hax: | ok i have a problem with my vendor network |
| [10:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | ? |
| [10:06] | Wyn Galbraith: | The devil has whatever he wants. |
| [10:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | what does that have to do with SL's UI ? |
| [10:06] | Beware Hax: | possible free shopping exploit |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | ok let's have a look at the agenda |
| [10:07] | WarKirby Magojiro tries to rez an urler, and hits the no build | |
| [10:07] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Agenda is here >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Oh. The first issue is a worrying one |
| [10:08] | Benjamin Linden: | still no patches, hmm |
| [10:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Griefers have been using this as a weapon |
| [10:08] | Torley Tester: | Hm, I remember this being mentioned recently -- |
| [10:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | by fuilling a sim with spamm objects, and then purposely gettin their account banned |
| [10:08] | Torley Tester: | it's troublesome that banned accounts don't show up in the people finder! |
| [10:08] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the landowner is unable to clear it up easily |
| [10:09] | Torley Tester: | I should retitle it too, it's not so much "current account" as "active account" and there are dupes... :\ |
| [10:09] | WarKirby Magojiro: | they don't show in about land either, which is the biggest problem |
| [10:09] | Benjamin Linden: | maybe we need to add a field so that people can type the name of a banned user |
| [10:09] | Daedalus Young: | but nowadays, when you Report Abuse on an object, the owner's name is automatically filled in |
| [10:09] | Torley Tester: | Okay, wow, this is really duped a lot... let's close this and focus on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-313 |
| [10:09] | Torley Tester: | Which is the same thing and already imported. |
| [10:09] | Benjamin Linden: | good idea Torley |
| [10:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [10:10] | Torley Tester: | Looks like this reporter reported it himself 3 times... |
| [10:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Is there a need for them to show up in the abuse reports ? |
| [10:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I note the same guy submitted report |
| [10:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Since they're already banned, a report will serve no purpose |
| [10:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | this is kinda self-defeating, IMHO, because it dilutes the votes |
| [10:10] | Torley Tester: | Yes, indeed Saijanai... |
| [10:10] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think they only need to show up in abnout land/estate tools |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | too bad there isn't a way to combine votes for duplicate issues |
| [10:11] | WarKirby Magojiro: | so their objects can be returned |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley I'll edit the wiki since iridium isn't here |
| [10:11] | Torley Tester: | OK thanks Ben... |
| [10:11] | Torley Tester: | So yeah, VWR-2392 closed as dupe, in favor of MISC-313 (already imported). |
| [10:12] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [10:12] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next up |
| [10:12] | Benjamin Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2086 |
| [10:13] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I always found that annoying, personally |
| [10:13] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I like the current situation better |
| [10:13] | Torley Tester: | Iridium sez she's coming shortly. |
| [10:13] | WarKirby Magojiro: | isn't there a beacon option for showing physical objects ? |
| [10:13] | Daedalus Young: | I do see Physical Objects in View > Beacons, I'd suppose that should be this function |
| [10:13] | Torley Tester: | Yes, there is, WarKirby. |
| [10:14] | Torley Tester: | Jake Linden re-engineered the beacons & highlights, and BTW, that will be my Tip of the Week #4 this Thursday. :) |
| [10:14] | WarKirby Magojiro gave you Jira URL-er - v1.1. | |
| [10:14] | Daedalus Young: | hi Iridium |
| [10:14] | Torley Tester: | i agree with what Benja said there, that we could've, should've communicated it better. |
| [10:14] | Iridium Linden: | Hiya! |
| [10:14] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, is this issue addressed with those changes that Jake made? |
| [10:14] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that will work nicely for urtls, ben |
| [10:14] | Iridium Linden: | Sorry I'm late. |
| [10:14] | Benjamin Linden: | hi Iridium |
| [10:14] | Iridium Linden: | I found a really kewl patch. |
| [10:14] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-418 |
| [10:14] | Torley Tester: | Ben: No, it isn't, it works differently -- overall I believe the current change is preferred by most, but understandably, some don't like it. |
| [10:15] | Wyn Galbraith loves your tips Torley. "I even learn things from them." | |
| [10:15] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Wyn. =o) |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | what is it about the new behavior they don't like? |
| [10:15] | WarKirby Magojiro: | How about an option to use the old behaaviour, if desired |
| [10:15] | WarKirby Magojiro: | but have it default to the current |
| [10:15] | Torley Tester: | Benjamin: Specifically that it isn't as easy to have physical objects show up with red highlights when holding Alt... BUT... |
| [10:15] | Torley Tester: | the other problem here was that holding down Alt is also used when Alt-clicking to zoom the camera. |
| [10:15] | Torley Tester: | Thus, there was a conflict. |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | right |
| [10:16] | Seg Baphomet: | HAY GUYS |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | but it was an option before right |
| [10:16] | Daedalus Young: | hi Seg |
| [10:16] | WarKirby Magojiro waves to seg | |
| [10:16] | Torley Tester: | Right. |
| [10:16] | Daedalus Young: | I know it was buggy in build mode |
| [10:16] | Torley Tester: | Daed: Yeah, we both remember that. |
| [10:16] | Torley Tester: | Sometimes it'd get "stuck" (see linked issues). |
| [10:16] | WarKirby Magojiro: | another problem that I had too |
| [10:16] | Daedalus Young: | yes, have had that happen too |
| [10:16] | Wyn Galbraith: | Hey seg. |
| [10:17] | Iridium Linden: | Hey, before we keep going, can we take a look at this patch? |
| [10:17] | WarKirby Magojiro: | For particles... |
| [10:17] | WarKirby Magojiro: | yay |
| [10:17] | Saijanai Kuhn: | ...? |
| [10:17] | Iridium Linden: | After we're finished with this one, that is. |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | sure, Iridium, that's fine |
| [10:18] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-418 |
| [10:18] | Iridium Linden: | Adding to the wiki. |
| [10:18] | WarKirby Magojiro: | It doesn't seem to mention a fix for the emissive not working |
| [10:18] | Seg Baphomet: | Well my texture decode is sure taxed. :) |
| [10:18] | WarKirby Magojiro: | also, is anyone going to use an urler# |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley if you think the new behavior is better, should we go ahead and close this one? |
| [10:18] | WarKirby Magojiro look at ben | |
| [10:19] | Ruud Lathrop: | Nice blocks every where |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | WarKirby, I haven't had a chance to use it |
| [10:19] | Torley Tester: | Benjamin: I'm curious to see who else votes for it, and I think Jake's input on it (since he changed it) would be a good idea... so I'm leaning towards leaving it open for now. |
| [10:19] | Beware Hax: | ok since this is about UI bugs there is something which bothers me, and i dont know if there's a jira about it |
| [10:19] | Beware Hax: | many cases where names are 1: not copyable (even indirectly), or 2: are capped |
| [10:19] | Seg Baphomet: | Whats this bug? |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | ok there's the URLer |
| [10:20] | Benjamin Linden: | VWR-2086 |
| [10:20] | Torley Tester: | Beware: If you've searched and there's no JIRA yet, then sounds like you should enter one so it doesn't get lost. =) |
| [10:20] | Torley Tester: | That way it can make its way onto our UI bug triage agenda in the future. |
| [10:20] | Daedalus Young: | iirc we did discuss capped av names though |
| [10:20] | Daedalus Young: | but that also could've been a dream, haha |
| [10:21] | WarKirby Magojiro: | use /555 vwr 2086 ben |
| [10:21] | Tao Takashi: | *didum* |
| [10:21] | Iridium Linden: | k, so where are we? |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | hi TAo |
| [10:21] | Tao Takashi: | Hi all :) |
| [10:21] | Wyn Galbraith idles to move her physical RL location. | |
| [10:21] | Iridium Linden: | VWR-2392 is closed |
| [10:21] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Beauomont |
| [10:21] | Iridium Linden: | Hey Tao. |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Iridium: Yup, dupe of an already-imported issue. |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Yo Tao! |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | did we make a call on VWR-2086 |
| [10:21] | Iridium Linden: | VWR-2086, have we gotten to that one? |
| [10:22] | Torley Tester: | I think, just let VWR-2086 be for now. Give it some marination time. |
| [10:22] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hm |
| [10:22] | Daedalus Young: | sounds good to me |
| [10:22] | Benjamin Linden: | ok that sounds good Torley |
| [10:22] | Benjamin Linden: | let's move on |
| [10:22] | Iridium Linden: | K, so https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2306. |
| [10:22] | Seg Baphomet: | I always found things turning red for no apparent reason to be confusing. |
| [10:22] | Torley Tester: | Seg: Me too. |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm I wonder what corner McCabe would prefer here? |
| [10:23] | Seg Baphomet: | That may be a different bug. |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | Since all corners are often used by something! |
| [10:23] | Saijanai Kuhn: | 2036= error |
| [10:23] | Boroondas Gupte: | we need more corners, then :-P |
| [10:23] | Ruud Lathrop: | type in search the number and you find the bug |
| [10:23] | Daedalus Young: | upper left I think would be best :/ |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | E.g., upper-left is mini-map, lower-right is inventory... |
| [10:23] | Daedalus Young: | or lower right |
| [10:23] | WarKirby Magojiro: | chat urls are not perfect |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | Upper-left is the closest I can think of. |
| [10:23] | Daedalus Young: | oh, I have minimap upper right |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | Er, I meant "upper-right is mini-map". |
| [10:24] | Torley Tester: | My mistake! |
| [10:24] | Daedalus Young: | ah ok |
| [10:24] | Ruud Lathrop: | Middle bottom screen |
| [10:24] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [10:24] | Seg Baphomet: | Things should minimize to the corner they're near? |
| [10:24] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'd say it shoul;d be customiseable |
| [10:24] | Benjamin Linden: | this isn't really a bug per se |
| [10:24] | Daedalus Young: | however, before the location be moved to upper, the bug in the minimized build window needs to be fixed first |
| [10:24] | Seg Baphomet: | Thing is, most stuff needs to become HUDs and not windows. :) |
| [10:24] | Torley Tester: | I think also, that minimized window positions should persist after relogs. |
| [10:25] | Benjamin Linden: | that would be a good thing to add to the comments, Torley |
| [10:25] | Daedalus Young: | yes, a user setting which persists |
| [10:25] | Torley Tester: | *adds a comment* |
| [10:25] | Ruud Lathrop: | How can you reset if you have moved a window (minimized) and it is nowhere to be found? |
| [10:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Arg. I need to run |
| [10:25] | Daedalus Young: | so it'll always minimize to your fave spot |
| [10:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it seems someone is trying to extort ferox |
| [10:25] | WarKirby Magojiro: | May possibly need a linden.. |
| [10:26] | Boroondas Gupte: | what do you mean by HUDs, Seg? |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | could we just move the minimized windows over slightly to the right? |
| [10:26] | Saijanai Kuhn: | utf-8 hide |
| [10:26] | Seg Baphomet: | HUD meaning it is bound to a corner or side of the screen. |
| [10:27] | Boroondas Gupte: | ic |
| [10:27] | Benjamin Linden: | or raise the on-screen chat? |
| [10:27] | Wyn Galbraith settles. | |
| [10:27] | Miya Watanabe: | slightly to the right make sense. |
| [10:28] | Seg Baphomet: | And it causes the center of focus of your 3d view to be adjusted. |
| [10:28] | Iridium Linden: | K, so where are we on this one? |
| [10:28] | Iridium Linden: | Import? |
| [10:28] | Iridium Linden: | Marinate? |
| [10:28] | WarKirby Magojiro: | false alarm, it seems |
| [10:28] | Torley Tester: | I'd say "Needs More Info" because McCabe didn't give a clear decision on what he'd prefer. |
| [10:28] | WarKirby Magojiro: | did I miss much ? |
| [10:28] | Iridium Linden: | kk |
| [10:28] | Torley Tester: | I left a comment. |
| [10:28] | Seg Baphomet: | I agree with the bug. |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | I agree Torley |
| [10:29] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2396 |
| [10:29] | Seg Baphomet: | Worst place to default to. :) |
| [10:29] | Torley Tester: | NEXT! |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | I'll talk with Richard about potentially moving the chat up a bit |
| [10:29] | Seg Baphomet: | Move it up only if there's minimised windows? :) |
| [10:29] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm this one should be alleviated by future Second Life search rearchitecturing. |
| [10:30] | Tao Takashi: | if it's Google I guess something like "AM Updates" is possible (with quotes) |
| [10:30] | Daedalus Young: | oh, and make the width smaller if there's a blue "xxx is online" alert |
| [10:30] | Benjamin Linden: | yes we should close this since the new search feature will change search dramatically |
| [10:30] | Daedalus Young: | we get Google search? :D |
| [10:30] | WarKirby Magojiro: | when are we getting thsi new search ? |
| [10:31] | Boroondas Gupte votes for full regex support | |
| [10:31] | Torley Tester: | K, resolving as "Won't Finish"... leaving a comment... |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | the schedule is still being worked out |
| [10:31] | Ruud Lathrop: | In the future :) |
| [10:31] | Saijanai Kuhn: | are we getting grep at some point? |
| [10:31] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1115 |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | hang on one sec |
| [10:31] | Iridium Linden: | Oh wait, no! |
| [10:31] | Iridium Linden: | I missed one. |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | is this bug specific to group search? |
| [10:31] | Iridium Linden: | Wait, no I didn't. |
| [10:31] | Revolution Perenti: | heya Ben |
| [10:31] | Torley Tester: | Well, the 3-character thing isn't specific to group search. |
| [10:31] | Saijanai Kuhn: | regex of all texted items in inventory, filterable by type: notecards, scripts, whatevers. |
| [10:32] | Torley Tester: | *checks* It's not a group search-specific prob. |
| [10:32] | Revolution Perenti: | torley there been alot of issues i been debuggin myself |
| [10:32] | Daedalus Young: | I don't know how it's now, but the events search ised to be even worse |
| [10:32] | Wyn Galbraith absently waves at Rev. | |
| [10:32] | Benjamin Linden: | let's close it as needs more ingo |
| [10:32] | Revolution Perenti: | not sure if you checked jira recently but i been submiiting alot of patches |
| [10:32] | Daedalus Young: | only found search queries if they were at the beginning of the events name |
| [10:32] | Revolution Perenti: | ie i fixed the memory leak bug that causes the viewer to crash |
| [10:32] | Torley Tester: | Ben: Hm, "Needs More Info" instead of "Won't Finish" due to the upcoming search changes? |
| [10:32] | Revolution Perenti: | like was caused by nvidia opengl vertex |
| [10:32] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think won't finish is better |
| [10:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | as in, we won't do THIS, because we're doing something else |
| [10:33] | Benjamin Linden: | well I'm just worried that the new search won't completely replace the other searches (groups, etc) |
| [10:33] | WarKirby Magojiro: | with an suitable comment explaining why |
| [10:33] | Benjamin Linden: | so this may continue to be an issue |
| [10:33] | Boroondas Gupte: | yeah |
| [10:33] | Benjamin Linden: | in general, I agree with you Torley and WarKirby |
| [10:33] | Torley Tester: | OK, I'll change resolution status. |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | but I want to make sure if this is happening in the groups search we catch that |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Torley |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | ok now we can move :-) |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | on |
| [10:34] | Revolution Perenti: | i fixed that Map bug last week torley too , be nice you can close that once its done |
| [10:34] | Benjamin Linden: | nice dress, Revolution |
| [10:34] | Revolution Perenti: | there so many open tickets i need to review |
| [10:34] | Torley Tester: | Oh which one Revolution? |
| [10:34] | Revolution Perenti: | lol i fixed alot over 40 last week |
| [10:35] | Revolution Perenti: | they still been open and lindens are not looking |
| [10:35] | Benjamin Linden: | did you submit patches? |
| [10:35] | Revolution Perenti: | would be nice to say they seen them |
| [10:35] | Revolution Perenti: | yes |
| [10:35] | Revolution Perenti: | i use patch and differ to make them |
| [10:35] | Daedalus Young: | ohhh, RL takes over, have to go |
| [10:35] | WarKirby Magojiro: | bye for now, Daedalus |
| [10:36] | Daedalus Young: | see you guys later and happy triaging! |
| [10:36] | Boroondas Gupte: | bye Deadalus |
| [10:36] | Daedalus Young: | bye |
| [10:36] | Benjamin Linden: | if they're UI bugs they should be coming up on the UI filter |
| [10:36] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1115 |
| [10:36] | Benjamin Linden: | lets stick to the agenda for now, we'll figure out why they aren't showing up later |
| [10:37] | Revolution Perenti: | are yout tridge more UI related Ben |
| [10:37] | Revolution Perenti: | lol im gona hold up your tridge again |
| [10:37] | Benjamin Linden: | yes, Revolution, this is a triage for UI bugs |
| [10:37] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the word is Triage |
| [10:37] | Benjamin Linden: | VWR-1115 isn't a UI bug |
| [10:37] | Revolution Perenti: | lol well can i close the last 2 i did for you Ben |
| [10:37] | Boroondas Gupte: | see at https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage for a list of different triages |
| [10:37] | WarKirby Magojiro: | tree - aaah- je |
| [10:38] | Revolution Perenti: | resources and Map button fix ones |
| [10:38] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2251 |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | Rev, the best thing to do is add a link to those jiras in the agenda |
| [10:38] | Torley Tester: | What did we decide to do with VWR-1115? |
| [10:38] | Ruud Lathrop: | Nothing |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | this one needs a different component, not sure which |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | but it's not UI |
| [10:38] | Revolution Perenti: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2329 |
| [10:38] | Revolution Perenti: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2225 |
| [10:38] | WarKirby Magojiro: | This one is mine |
| [10:39] | Iridium Linden: | We should just change the component, no? |
| [10:39] | Torley Tester: | OK, *changes it* |
| [10:39] | Benjamin Linden: | what did you change it to, Torley |
| [10:39] | Iridium Linden: | prolly misc if it's not transparent. |
| [10:39] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Are you talking about 2251 ? |
| [10:39] | Revolution Perenti: | i did try email you few times last week torley keeps bouncing make saying your inbox is full |
| [10:39] | Iridium Linden: | 1115 |
| [10:40] | Torley Tester: | Revolution: Which email addy? |
| [10:40] | Revolution Perenti: | torley@lindenlabs.com |
| [10:40] | Torley Tester: | It's just torley@lindenlab.com |
| [10:40] | Torley Tester: | No "S". :) |
| [10:40] | Revolution Perenti: | lol |
| [10:40] | Tao Takashi: | LL should really change it's name to Lab_s_ ;-) |
| [10:40] | Tao Takashi: | as everybody seems to use it anyway |
| [10:40] | Torley Tester: | K, I just removed "UI" component from VWR-1115. |
| [10:40] | WarKirby Magojiro: | heh |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks Torley |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next up |
| [10:40] | Revolution Perenti: | ok thanks i resend those |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | What did we change the component to? |
| [10:41] | WarKirby Magojiro: | 2251 now ? |
| [10:41] | Torley Tester: | Iridium: Nothing. |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | yeah, kk. |
| [10:41] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2251 |
| [10:42] | Wyn Galbraith: | Didn't Rev fix that one? |
| [10:42] | Torley Tester: | Huzzah Rev! |
| [10:42] | Tao Takashi: | the landmark thing is confusing indeed |
| [10:42] | Iridium Linden: | We should have a "tool" component |
| [10:42] | Roof Doors: | WarKirby Magojiro is at the door. |
| [10:42] | Iridium Linden: | But that's prolly too broad. |
| [10:42] | Revolution Perenti: | not this one |
| [10:42] | Revolution Perenti: | but i can if you like |
| [10:42] | WarKirby Magojiro: | This is my issue ^^ |
| [10:42] | Saijanai Kuhn has been asking for an LSL component for jira for quite some time... | |
| [10:42] | Seg Baphomet: | Yes, the landmark thing confused me from day 1 and still does. ;P |
| [10:42] | Wyn Galbraith: | I thought you said you did? Or were you just tired that night and thought you fixed everything |
| [10:43] | Benjamin Linden: | landmarks are changing with search as well |
| [10:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | oh ? |
| [10:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | how so ? |
| [10:43] | Benjamin Linden: | there will be a more detailed panel of information about the location |
| [10:43] | WarKirby Magojiro: | this wouldn't be hard to add as an interim fix though, perhaps ? |
| [10:44] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm not sure about the save/discard stuff on it |
| [10:44] | Revolution Perenti: | talking about lms i want a to be able to delete lm from my map menu ^^ |
| [10:44] | Benjamin Linden: | there is also a related bug to this one, about needing to click "Keep" twice |
| [10:44] | WarKirby Magojiro: | never seen that one |
| [10:45] | Seg Baphomet: | Yes, the new notecard "feature". ;P |
| [10:45] | Revolution Perenti: | would you like me to take a look over the source on this one torley |
| [10:45] | Tao Takashi: | shouldn't the inventory giving be overhauled in general? |
| [10:45] | Saijanai Kuhn: | sounds like mouse focus issues. I've noticed several places where the first click doesn't take |
| [10:45] | Tao Takashi: | like the same dialog whenever you get something`? |
| [10:45] | Tao Takashi: | right now it's different with each objevt |
| [10:45] | Tao Takashi: | object |
| [10:45] | Tao Takashi: | object type actually |
| [10:45] | Benjamin Linden: | Seg do you have the link to that jira by any chance? |
| [10:46] | Benjamin Linden: | for the notecards |
| [10:46] | Seg Baphomet: | No idea. |
| [10:46] | Torley Tester: | Tao: There is a Preferences option that makes the same... |
| [10:46] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I'll see if I can find it |
| [10:46] | Boroondas Gupte: | it's double odd, if you got the object from a group notice, because you already clicked there to get it ... |
| [10:46] | Torley Tester: | Preferences > Popups tab. |
| [10:46] | Benjamin Linden: | you're right Tao, we need to revisit this and look at *all* the inventory types |
| [10:47] | Tao Takashi: | maybe some dialog with a general part (OK, Discard, whatever) and some detail part about the object below that |
| [10:47] | Seg Baphomet: | It confused me at first that getting a note card and just closing it left it in my inventory. |
| [10:47] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Aside from landmarks being a little confusing, I haven't really noticed any ptovlems with the dialogs |
| [10:47] | Tao Takashi: | and once we have these object previews.... ;-) |
| [10:47] | Seg Baphomet: | Considering so much stuff hands you note cards left and right. |
| [10:47] | Iridium Linden: | So what should we do with this? |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | let's go ahead and import this |
| [10:47] | Iridium Linden: | kk |
| [10:47] | Iridium Linden: | Importing |
| [10:47] | WarKirby Magojiro: | ^^ |
| [10:47] | Revolution Perenti: | how comes there so much hardcoded stuff too like langs |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley can you add RxTriage to the imported bug |
| [10:47] | Tao Takashi: | a simple "Save" button on the LM should be ok |
| [10:48] | Revolution Perenti: | lol not that im moaning becuase i read english |
| [10:48] | Iridium Linden: | 2068, right? |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | Will do, after Iridium imports! |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | Synchronization! |
| [10:48] | Benjamin Linden: | lol ok |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | Iridium, VWR-2251. |
| [10:48] | WarKirby Magojiro: | torley is having a seizure |
| [10:48] | Revolution Perenti: | lol |
| [10:48] | Savannah Glimmer: | lol |
| [10:48] | Revolution Perenti: | she viewing around us lol |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | someone help Torley! |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | :-) |
| [10:49] | WarKirby Magojiro: | perhaps that's a jira worthy issue too |
| [10:49] | Revolution Perenti: | camera does that |
| [10:49] | Saijanai Kuhn: | that bot tends to do that I've noticed |
| [10:49] | Iridium Linden: | jeez, Torley, I'm getting an error. |
| [10:49] | Seg Baphomet: | lol integration |
| [10:49] | Torley Tester: | What's the error? |
| [10:49] | Torley Tester: | Haha I was looking at moving objects too much. :D |
| [10:49] | Torley Tester: | [SYSTEM ERROR] |
| [10:49] | Torley Tester: | LOL. |
| [10:50] | Iridium Linden: | got it. |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | ok what's next |
| [10:50] | Torley Tester: | I see it. |
| [10:50] | Iridium Linden: | *imported* |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2068 |
| [10:50] | Torley Tester: | This could've been simplified. |
| [10:50] | Ruud Lathrop: | THat will be nice if fixed. |
| [10:51] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Losing inventory should be fixed, by returnuing to sender |
| [10:51] | Revolution Perenti: | this is a big problem more so with slex users too |
| [10:51] | Torley Tester: | Part of this sounds more like a new feature add than a bug. |
| [10:51] | WarKirby Magojiro: | but I don't think the busy mode behaviour ahouls be otherwise changed for now |
| [10:51] | Ruud Lathrop: | Make it a option to the user? |
| [10:51] | Torley Tester: | The problem is that sending stuff to someone who's busy puts the stuff in their trash with no indication. |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm not sure I understand what the issue is |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | oh I see |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | yikes, that's terrible! |
| [10:51] | Revolution Perenti: | well need to change the status of busy mode to allow content becuase it refuses all content |
| [10:52] | Revolution Perenti: | even notecards are refused |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [10:52] | Benjamin Linden: | refused or put in trash? |
| [10:52] | Benjamin Linden: | there's a difference |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | but if you don't WANT to recieve things |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think no copy items should return to sender |
| [10:52] | Kooky Jetaime: | Actually, make it an option Refuse/Deny/Friends |
| [10:52] | Revolution Perenti: | like for example if person 1 sends notecard to person b in busy mode you get declined message |
| [10:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | Put in 'while you were out' folder. |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | copyable items just vanish |
| [10:52] | Ruud Lathrop: | So make it a option? |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | oh |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that works too, perhaps |
| [10:52] | WarKirby Magojiro: | a new folde |
| [10:52] | Kooky Jetaime: | Refuse/Accept/Friends Only |
| [10:52] | Kooky Jetaime: | while busy |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | yes a different folder could work |
| [10:53] | Kooky Jetaime: | each type of transfer |
| [10:53] | Iridium Linden: | This is a long-standing issue that we are well aware of. |
| [10:53] | Tao Takashi: | an "Incoming" folder maybe |
| [10:53] | Iridium Linden: | It's a serious PITA. |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | but I still think it would be hard for someone to find |
| [10:53] | Wyn Galbraith: | Goodies you got while you weren't looking. |
| [10:53] | WarKirby Magojiro: | on the same lines, https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2325 |
| [10:53] | Seg Baphomet: | Do we really need more preferences? |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | are there existing issues? oh thanks warkirby |
| [10:53] | Saijanai Kuhn: | while busy folder seems easiest |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | no Seg, we don't |
| [10:53] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I proposed that as an overall improvement to busy mode |
| [10:53] | Wyn Galbraith ponders her trash. | |
| [10:53] | Revolution Perenti: | it does saij ? |
| [10:53] | Tao Takashi: | or maybe it can remember the stuff and you can work through it when you leave busy mode |
| [10:53] | Torley Tester: | Too many choices are confusing, especially for new Residents. |
| [10:54] | Kooky Jetaime: | An incomming folder would be Great for /everything/ so your inventory don't get mutteled with new stuff that you have find, based on the various ways of giving things. |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | It's always a tough balance between choices and simplicity. |
| [10:54] | Wyn Galbraith: | Incoming, that's good. |
| [10:54] | Revolution Perenti: | maybe something we could edit in our options to allow people like a safe list |
| [10:54] | WarKirby Magojiro: | that's what an "Advanced options" tab is for |
| [10:54] | Saijanai Kuhn: | an incoming folder with subfolders based on the way it was given? |
| [10:54] | Kooky Jetaime: | Like some things come in as a folder, some things come in a box (and go to objects), and some things are sent individually so 1 puchase can end up in Notecards, Clothes, and Objects |
| [10:54] | Tao Takashi: | basically it could present some list of new objects you either received during logoff or during busy mode |
| [10:54] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hide the complicated stuff |
| [10:54] | Wyn Galbraith knew you kept me around for something. | |
| [10:55] | Tao Takashi: | actually boxes of stuff should be openable in your inventory IMHO |
| [10:55] | Iridium Linden: | Right, Tao. |
| [10:55] | Tao Takashi: | as folder like objects |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | I don't think the description in this particular bug is very clear |
| [10:55] | Tao Takashi: | would also be easier with scripts etc |
| [10:55] | Saijanai Kuhn: | or at least you should be able to see the inventory of a box |
| [10:55] | Revolution Perenti: | lol i want ablity to zip a whole folder to 1 archive :D |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | I'd like to see a better bug report before importing it |
| [10:55] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it's far from clear, ben |
| [10:55] | Iridium Linden: | We should talk to Phoenix about this before we import though. |
| [10:55] | Iridium Linden: | Yeah, agreed, Benjamin. |
| [10:55] | Torley Tester: | I think VWR-2068 could be written a lot better. |
| [10:55] | Torley Tester: | There's some context which isn't clear. |
| [10:55] | Tao Takashi: | and with a lot less chat ;-) |
| [10:55] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the main issue seems to be content loss if the rreciever is in busy mode |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | let's mark this as need more info. but I would like to see if there are other related Jiras we can import |
| [10:56] | WarKirby Magojiro: | try closing as needs more info for now |
| [10:56] | Torley Tester: | OK... |
| [10:56] | Iridium Linden: | Yus, WarKirby. |
| [10:56] | Torley Tester: | *marks* |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next |
| [10:56] | Wyn Galbraith: | Neet to overhaul inventory. |
| [10:56] | Iridium Linden: | But we really would need to talk to Phoenix about this. |
| [10:56] | Iridium Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-443 |
| [10:56] | Revolution Perenti: | if this would be changed im sure it would inimprove metrics for loss |
| [10:57] | Tao Takashi: | speaking about deeding I think this is also a very confusing topic in general |
| [10:57] | WarKirby Magojiro doesn't quite understand this one | |
| [10:57] | Boroondas Gupte agrees with Tao concerning opening boxes: I actually put that on the old feature voting website ... probably should put it to jira | |
| [10:57] | WarKirby Magojiro: | precisely |
| [10:57] | Seg Baphomet: | Hey, is there some place to report inventory loss? ;P |
| [10:57] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the whole share/deed thing is hihly confusing to most people |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | Seg, currently, we do it through support tickets via http://secondlife.com/support |
| [10:58] | WarKirby Magojiro: | group tools need an overhaul |
| [10:58] | Benjamin Linden: | I agree WarKirby |
| [10:58] | Saijanai Kuhn has a minor meta issue... | |
| [10:58] | Revolution Perenti: | wants mute group option :P |
| [10:58] | Seg Baphomet: | I went to edit my ZHAO config. And the notcard is "missing from database". ;P |
| [10:58] | WarKirby Magojiro agrees with Revolution | |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | Ugh Seg, that sounds like another issue I've seen before. |
| [10:59] | Ruud Lathrop: | Everybody has that issue, seg |
| [10:59] | WarKirby Magojiro: | happenes to me yesterday, but worked on the second attempt |
| [10:59] | Saijanai Kuhn: | about that meta issue... |
| [10:59] | Seg Baphomet: | How so? |
| [10:59] | Wyn Galbraith: | Speak up Saijanai. |
| [10:59] | Saijanai Kuhn: | utf-8 2-4 byte chars |
| [11:00] | Seg Baphomet: | I've tried bunches of times over a few days. It seems to be gone. ;P |
| [11:00] | Saijanai Kuhn: | when discussing all these issues, both for UI fixes and programming, you ignore international font issues |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | I need to test this out because I'm not sure I Understand the the problem |
| [11:00] | Ruud Lathrop: | Yeap a object inside a object sometimes disappear |
| [11:00] | Saijanai Kuhn: | strings are 255 bytes, which is 255 English chars, but only 82 Japanese chars |
| [11:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | seems like deeding should bypass sharing |
| [11:01] | Benjamin Linden: | that's what it does, right? |
| [11:01] | Revolution Perenti: | not really seen this i need to do a repo |
| [11:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | hmm |
| [11:01] | Benjamin Linden: | once you deed the option is grayed out |
| [11:01] | Saskeh Akina: | your hair |
| [11:01] | Wyn Galbraith: | The solution for international font issues is to make the byte big enough for the extended chars. |
| [11:01] | Saskeh Akina: | aquisted |
| [11:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think sharing with group allows anyone in the group to do things with the object |
| [11:01] | Revolution Perenti: | i only see the deed grayed out when share with group is not enabled |
| [11:01] | Ruud Lathrop: | aquisted??? |
| [11:01] | Saijanai Kuhn: | so any/all UI and programming solutinos need to be adjusted to allow for they multi-byte char issue |
| [11:01] | WarKirby Magojiro: | whereasm deeding allows only those who have the proper role permission |
| [11:02] | Tao Takashi: | WarKirby: unfortunately not with the contents of that object ;-) |
| [11:02] | Benjamin Linden: | hmm there seems to be an issue with the way these two interract, I think we should import this |
| [11:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | and sharing seems to override deeding |
| [11:02] | WarKirby Magojiro nods | |
| [11:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | but it also warrants discussion |
| [11:02] | Revolution Perenti: | what can you get same rights as a deed ? |
| [11:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | as to what the solution should be |
| [11:02] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it's not really clear cut |
| [11:03] | Tao Takashi: | actually deeding should somehow go away, as it seems to change the object in some no undoable way IIRC |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | we'll look at it some more |
| [11:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Rao. |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | ok folks we're out of time! |
| [11:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | Tao. Deeding counts as a transfer |
| [11:03] | WarKirby Magojiro: | so you need to set next owner perms |
| [11:03] | Iridium Linden: | So what are we doing with 443? |
| [11:04] | Benjamin Linden: | Warkirby would you please add your thoughts to this bug |
| [11:04] | Benjamin Linden: | we're importing it Iridium |
| [11:04] | Wyn Galbraith: | I've noticed that sometimes items that are deeded aren't editable later. But nothing concrete to base a bug on yet. |
| [11:04] | WarKirby Magojiro nods | |
| [11:04] | Seg Baphomet: | Erk. Whats a basic account? ;P |
| [11:04] | Iridium Linden: | ah, kk, importing then. |
| [11:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I think we need a seperate triage for group issues |
| [11:04] | WarKirby Magojiro: | the whole matter is a bit too different from UI issues |
| [11:04] | Revolution Perenti: | I Think so too |
| [11:04] | Iridium Linden: | Ah, torley already got to it. |
| [11:04] | Iridium Linden: | ack |
| [11:04] | Torley Tester: | Oh, Bridie did. |
| [11:04] | Torley Tester: | She got that one before it looks like. |
| [11:04] | Torley Tester: | Wow, that was yesterday. |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | oh ok |
| [11:05] | Wyn Galbraith just noticed Benjamin's shoes, "Good for getting bugs in corners." | |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | lol @ Wyn |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | or for fending off angry Residents :-) |
| [11:05] | Revolution Perenti: | lol |
| [11:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | LOL Benjamin |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | alright folks, thanks for coming |
| [11:05] | WarKirby Magojiro smiles | |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | see you Thursday! |
| [11:05] | Torley Tester: | Yup thanks everyone! |
| [11:05] | WarKirby Magojiro: | it was a please |
| [11:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | B-bye!!! :D |
| [11:05] | Revolution Perenti: | thanks again Ben :) |
| [11:06] | Seg Baphomet: | /support/ doesn't seem to think I'm allowed to report inventory loss. |
| [11:06] | Revolution Perenti: | nice to see you again Torley :) |
| [11:06] | WarKirby Magojiro: | I'm going to redo the urler to work with general chat, then |
| [11:06] | Torley Tester: | :D |
| [11:06] | Torley Tester: | You too! |
| [11:06] | Revolution Perenti: | and dont forget Iridium :) |
| [11:06] | Saskeh Akina: | qui c'è qualche Italiano ? |
| [11:06] | Torley Tester: | Thanks for being with us and helping... |
| [11:06] | Revolution Perenti: | i'll email you this afternoon |
| [11:06] | Torley Tester: | thanks for manning the queue, Iridium. |
| [11:06] | Torley Tester: | Bye for now all. =) |
| [11:06] | Ruud Lathrop: | bye all |