User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Sep 18
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Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:
| [10:07] | Wyn Galbraith: | Greetings Benjamin. |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | Good morning everyone |
| [10:07] | Daedalus Young: | hi Benjamin |
| [10:07] | Squirrel Wood: | Holla ben |
| [10:07] | There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot. | |
| [10:07] | Tao Takashi: | Good evening, Benjamin :) |
| [10:07] | Squirrel Wood: | I suppose you got me email today ? |
| [10:07] | Benjamin Linden: | Sorry we're all running a bit late this morning |
| [10:07] | Tao Takashi is still waiting for a better german translation, btw ;_) | |
| [10:08] | Benjamin Linden: | hey Tao, our team's been slaving away on the german translation for the past couple weeks! |
| [10:08] | Tao Takashi: | at least the right texts should be in the right spots |
| [10:08] | Savannah Glimmer: | lol sorry Ben |
| [10:08] | Squirrel Wood: | german translations... you should have told me! I could have helped with that :p |
| [10:09] | Tao Takashi: | there have been many people who wanted to help with that |
| [10:09] | Tao Takashi: | a whole group on each slinfo.de and slinside.de |
| [10:10] | Benjamin Linden: | haha well I'm sure there will be some strings you could still help with |
| [10:10] | Tao Takashi: | it just was a question of how |
| [10:10] | Tao Takashi: | not that I will use german versions anyway ;-) |
| [10:10] | Benjamin Linden: | I think we still need to work on the infrastructure for taking i18n fixes from folks |
| [10:10] | Tao Takashi: | but got confused again when it set itself to standard language |
| [10:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | hey all |
| [10:10] | Benjamin Linden: | hi Sai |
| [10:10] | Benjamin Linden: | ok let's get started |
| [10:10] | Daedalus Young: | hi |
| [10:10] | Tao Takashi: | as e.g. when receiving an object the text for accepting it comes |
| [10:10] | Saijanai Kuhn: | is there an agenda today? |
| [10:10] | Squirrel Wood: | there is |
| [10:11] | Daedalus Young: | I think we can just continue the agenda |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | BTW, major exploit for SL was just announced... http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/ie-pwns-secondlife |
| [10:11] | Tao Takashi: | it's always great to spread such news ;-) |
| [10:11] | Benjamin Linden: | it doesn't look like anyone moved last week's stuff over to the archive so I'll do that later |
| [10:11] | Squirrel Wood: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 - vote, vote, vote ^^ |
| [10:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | do you hide it so less people USE the exploit, or do you announce it so more AVOID the exploit? |
| [10:12] | Tao Takashi: | should be reported via the exploit category IMHO |
| [10:12] | Benjamin Linden: | haha, the classic trade-off Sai |
| [10:12] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I'm watching even more carefully for phishing now |
| [10:12] | Tao Takashi: | for most people this article is too technical anyway so it won't help them in avoiding |
| [10:13] | Daedalus Young: | people should just stop using IE anyway |
| [10:13] | Saijanai Kuhn: | though I have no idea if MacOS X safari is vulnerable |
| [10:13] | Tao Takashi: | but anyway, go on with the agenda :) |
| [10:14] | Benjamin Linden: | I was just reviewing the bug Squirrel sent |
| [10:14] | Benjamin Linden: | since it doesn't directly relate to user interface I don't think we should discuss it here |
| [10:14] | Tao Takashi: | I should put some requests into JIRA |
| [10:14] | Squirrel Wood: | that account theft exploit already made it to one of the major german IT news sites |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | oh woops sorry squirrel |
| [10:15] | Squirrel Wood: | and according to Soft Linden the dev team may already be on it |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | I got confused, I was looking at VWR-418 |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | which is the patch listed in the agenda |
| [10:15] | Benjamin Linden: | just a note on process, folks |
| [10:15] | Squirrel Wood: | that one's already imported |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | it would be super-helpful if you guys could help me prepare the agenda ahead of time |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | by running the jira filter and importing the latest bugs and patches onto this page |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | I see little edits here and there, like this one "sneaking onto the UI agenda" |
| [10:16] | Benjamin Linden: | you don't have to sneak -- we *want* you to work on the agenda actively |
| [10:17] | Benjamin Linden: | help set what we discuss |
| [10:17] | Benjamin Linden: | does that make sense? |
| [10:17] | JayR Cela: | yep |
| [10:17] | Saijanai Kuhn: | could you give the agenda URL? FOrgot to set in in my bookmarks |
| [10:17] | Benjamin Linden: | there are instructions on how to prepare the agenda here |
| [10:17] | Benjamin Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | Sai, this is the UI agenda |
| [10:18] | Benjamin Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:18] | Daedalus Young: | https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda |
| [10:18] | Saijanai Kuhn: | thanks and thanks |
| [10:19] | Benjamin Linden: | so for this "sneaking in" one, VWR-1678, I'm going to import it and assign it internally since this work is being done already |
| [10:19] | Tao Takashi: | that are the best bugs :) |
| [10:20] | Benjamin Linden: | ok we might move a little slower today since I dont' have any of my regular helpers |
| [10:20] | Benjamin Linden: | so bear with me |
| [10:20] | JayR Cela: | ok |
| [10:20] | Daedalus Young: | no prob |
| [10:20] | Daedalus Young: | Iridium is sometimes way too fast anyway :P |
| [10:20] | Benjamin Linden: | lol yeah she's pretty efficient |
| [10:20] | Torley Tester: | Heya everyone! |
| [10:20] | Squirrel Wood: | jira + fast = impossible :p |
| [10:20] | Torley Tester: | Sorry I'm late, had an emergency. |
| [10:20] | Daedalus Young: | hi Torley |
| [10:20] | Savannah Glimmer: | Hi Torley |
| [10:21] | Squirrel Wood: | Hullo Torley! |
| [10:21] | Daedalus Young: | nothing serious I hope? |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Unfortunately yes, but things will be OK. |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | hey Torley, glad you made it |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Thanks! |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | we were just getting started |
| [10:21] | Squirrel Wood: | ah... the exploit mayhaps ? |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Oh great. |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | the first item on the agenda is a dupe of work that's happening internally |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | Oh, it was a personal, non-work emergency. |
| [10:21] | Wyn Galbraith has been trying to sit on Torley! | |
| [10:21] | Benjamin Linden: | we had some process discussion about the agenda, etc. |
| [10:21] | Torley Tester: | LOLZ Wyn. |
| [10:22] | Wyn Galbraith: | Snuck in while I was recovering from a crash. |
| [10:22] | Tao Takashi: | Hey Torley |
| [10:22] | Tao Takashi: | give us Windlight! ;-) |
| [10:22] | Torley Tester: | I'm sorry, did I steal your seat Wyn? |
| [10:22] | Torley Tester: | I can move to sit on the table. |
| [10:22] | Benjamin Linden: | hey torley, I imported VWR-1678, can you resolve the pjira as a dupe and say it's fixed internally |
| [10:22] | Wyn Galbraith: | No, stay there. I was teasing. |
| [10:22] | Torley Tester: | Tao: I sure wanna, in a few weeks I hope... =) We're still working so hard on it. |
| [10:23] | Tao Takashi: | let the open source people work on it ;_) |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | Sure Benjamin. |
| [10:23] | Torley Tester: | *gets on it* |
| [10:24] | Benjamin Linden: | ok so VWR-418 has already been imported |
| [10:24] | Benjamin Linden: | lots of activity on that one |
| [10:25] | Torley Tester: | Benjamin, to clarify, VWR-1678 is a dupe of an existing internal issue that already was fixed? |
| [10:25] | Torley Tester: | VWR-1678/SL-55429 that is. |
| [10:25] | Benjamin Linden: | yes, it's being done as part of the next release of voice |
| [10:25] | Torley Tester: | Ahhh OK. Good to know. |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | ok so our next one is |
| [10:26] | Benjamin Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-797 |
| [10:27] | Wyn Galbraith: | Fugly? |
| [10:27] | Daedalus Young: | Freaking Ugly, I think |
| [10:27] | Benjamin Linden: | I think this is a video card issue |
| [10:27] | Squirrel Wood: | dual monitor setup..... |
| [10:27] | Wyn Galbraith: | Ah, always good to get a new word a day. |
| [10:28] | Squirrel Wood: | single monitor setup should work flawlessly |
| [10:28] | JayR Cela: | benjamin I would agree on a vid card issue / not a SL issue |
| [10:28] | Daedalus Young: | although there have been more issues with dual monitors |
| [10:28] | Daedalus Young: | black avs and so |
| [10:28] | Torley Tester: | OK, so *looks for the fugly textures in the screenshot* |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, do you know how we handle bugs like this? I believe we do investigate specific driver issues |
| [10:29] | Daedalus Young: | it's the "Chat" button |
| [10:29] | Wyn Galbraith: | I didn't see any. |
| [10:29] | Squirrel Wood: | music / movies / chat |
| [10:29] | Torley Tester: | Benjamin: I think it's a good idea to first get what driver version they're using. |
| [10:29] | Squirrel Wood: | and gestures... bottom right |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | should we close for more info? |
| [10:29] | Torley Tester: | Yes, I suggest so. |
| [10:29] | Daedalus Young: | the poster couldve cropped that out, it are some of the UI textures |
| [10:29] | Torley Tester: | Strange that it has 0 votes too. |
| [10:29] | Benjamin Linden: | ok that sounds good |
| [10:30] | Torley Tester: | Looks like Lex has it as well; it would be healthy to have this issue more substantiated by others with a specific driver version, |
| [10:30] | Torley Tester: | so we're able to isolate the cause more effectively. |
| [10:30] | Daedalus Young: | yes, that would indicate it's a incident |
| [10:30] | Wyn Galbraith: | OH there it is. |
| [10:30] | Wyn Galbraith: | That looks like a refresh issue doesn't it? |
| [10:30] | Wyn Galbraith: | I get that effect if I close my laptop with SL up. |
| [10:30] | Benjamin Linden: | yes, I think so Wyn, something to do with the video card or driver |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | everybody ready to move on? |
| [10:31] | Wyn Galbraith: | When I reopen the cover the whole SL window is like that. |
| [10:31] | Squirrel Wood: | video memory not properly detected mayhaps ? |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | VWR-1125 is next |
| [10:31] | Daedalus Young: | or vmem "fugged" up |
| [10:31] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm using the handy URLer on the floor there |
| [10:31] | Daedalus Young: | 1125 I could not repro with 1.18 |
| [10:31] | Daedalus Young: | on Mac OS X |
| [10:32] | Torley Tester: | I've never been able to repro this one either. |
| [10:33] | Torley Tester: | Looks like several have experienced it, tho. |
| [10:33] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm not sure I understand it |
| [10:33] | Squirrel Wood: | may happen when you run windowed mode but not maximized |
| [10:33] | Daedalus Young: | I'm always windowed |
| [10:33] | Torley Tester: | I'd be tempted to mark this as "Small" priority because the likelihood of it happening is so miniscule. |
| [10:34] | Wyn Galbraith: | I just tried it. Worked as expected. |
| [10:34] | Torley Tester: | Generally, only advanced users would Alt-Tab out of SL when in Mouselook. |
| [10:34] | Squirrel Wood: | SL and fullscreen don't like each other on my system |
| [10:34] | Daedalus Young: | and then they would alt-tab back in too |
| [10:34] | Tao Takashi: | it did happen for me |
| [10:35] | Torley Tester: | Tao, what kind of system are you on? |
| [10:35] | Tao Takashi: | mouselook, alt-tab to other window, moved it away and clickt the title bar |
| [10:35] | Tao Takashi: | windows xp |
| [10:35] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I saw the problem too |
| [10:35] | Squirrel Wood: | Reproduced it |
| [10:35] | Tao Takashi: | not sure it's important though ;-) |
| [10:35] | Benjamin Linden: | it repositions the window to the title bar |
| [10:35] | Torley Tester: | AHA! |
| [10:35] | Tao Takashi: | just don't click the title bar ;-) |
| [10:35] | Torley Tester: | I see it, I managed to repro it too. |
| [10:35] | Squirrel Wood: | happens when SL does run as a window but NOT maximized |
| [10:35] | Daedalus Young: | I still can't repro it on Mac OS X |
| [10:35] | Zha Ewry: | Here too |
| [10:36] | Torley Tester: | Yeah Squirrel, thanks, I missed the "Maximized" part before. |
| [10:36] | Tao Takashi: | seems to be a windows issue then |
| [10:36] | Zha Ewry: | (XP) |
| [10:36] | Torley Tester: | I suggest we import it as "Small". |
| [10:36] | Wyn Galbraith: | I just got it too. |
| [10:36] | Benjamin Linden: | agreed |
| [10:36] | Torley Tester: | It's clearly reproducible on Windows, but no one on Mac is having it eh? |
| [10:36] | Wyn Galbraith: | XP |
| [10:36] | Daedalus Young: | I'm not reproing, I don't know Sai? |
| [10:37] | Benjamin Linden: | torley you can note that I repro'd this |
| [10:37] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next up is VWR-1123 |
| [10:37] | Torley Tester: | Sure will. NEXT! |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | whoa this one is unusual |
| [10:38] | Savannah Glimmer: | v. 1.17 |
| [10:38] | Daedalus Young: | I also could never repro 1123 |
| [10:38] | Daedalus Young: | esp not just now in the latest RC |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | I think we need to get more info on this |
| [10:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I'm not sure what I should try to reproduce. I still get garbage graphics in teh preferences window when I switch to full screen |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | like which OS they're running |
| [10:38] | Daedalus Young: | yes, agreed |
| [10:38] | Benjamin Linden: | I've never seen this myself |
| [10:39] | Torley Tester: | I haven't seen this yet. |
| [10:39] | Squirrel Wood: | doesn't happen to me |
| [10:39] | Benjamin Linden: | let's get more info on this one |
| [10:39] | Daedalus Young: | could be Linux specific |
| [10:39] | Torley Tester: | Good idea... |
| [10:39] | Squirrel Wood: | then again... I think QA may have caught it |
| [10:39] | Torley Tester: | *marks it* |
| [10:39] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next is VWR-1274 |
| [10:40] | Tao Takashi: | next time I will have 3 computers running with all OSes trying to reproduce ;-) |
| [10:40] | Torley Tester: | Haha Tao, you devilish multitasker you! |
| [10:40] | Daedalus Young: | you'd need more: XP, Vista... |
| [10:40] | Saijanai Kuhn: | and checkboxes get confused once I sitch to full screen. OTher than those long-running errors, what should I have been looking for? |
| [10:40] | Benjamin Linden: | I have to step out for a moment, brb |
| [10:41] | Benjamin Linden: | this bug is rather lengthy |
| [10:41] | Torley Tester: | Yikes, what a long repro! |
| [10:41] | Baba Yamamoto: | what are we doing? |
| [10:41] | Torley Tester: | Baba, LTNS. |
| [10:41] | JayR Cela: | Sorry folks I am being called away / bye~byee :_) |
| [10:41] | Torley Tester: | We're having a bug triage! |
| [10:41] | Baba Yamamoto: | <3 |
| [10:41] | Daedalus Young: | ok JayR |
| [10:41] | Torley Tester: | UI bugs specifically, hosted by Benjamin Linden! |
| [10:41] | Daedalus Young: | bye |
| [10:41] | Baba Yamamoto: | yay bugs |
| [10:42] | Baba Yamamoto: | i mean *GRRR* |
| [10:42] | Torley Tester: | Hehe. |
| [10:42] | Squirrel Wood: | don't eat the bugs. |
| [10:42] | Torley Tester: | So how can we simplify this bug -- it sounds like you have a clearer understanding of it, Daedalus? |
| [10:42] | Squirrel Wood: | they taste nasry. |
| [10:42] | Squirrel Wood: | nasty even |
| [10:42] | Daedalus Young: | well, on my machine, "Home" doesn't do anything in the chatbar, while "End" transports the cursor to the end of thetext input |
| [10:42] | Squirrel Wood: | eqeqeqeqweeewrwerwrwerwerwe |
| [10:43] | Squirrel Wood: | Observe: |
| [10:43] | Torley Tester: | Same here, Daedalus. |
| [10:43] | Squirrel Wood: | bottom chat bar does not recognize home key. |
| [10:43] | Squirrel Wood: | chat history chat bar does |
| [10:43] | Baba Yamamoto: | Oh? I am seeing Home and End working. |
| [10:43] | Torley Tester: | I have not known this bug to be a practical problem in everyday usage, has anyone here? |
| [10:43] | Baba Yamamoto: | oh but not in the bottom chat bar |
| [10:43] | Squirrel Wood: | not a major one |
| [10:43] | Baba Yamamoto: | Home is mapped to fly |
| [10:44] | Torley Tester: | I appreciate the time Celierra put into reporting it, but it seems like it doesn't impede most people's regular usage. |
| [10:44] | Saijanai Kuhn: | Having attempted to test whatever bug you guys wanted me to, I find my traditional problems on the Mac have popped up whenever I go "full screen" I must relog. See you in a sec |
| [10:44] | Daedalus Young: | yes, of course, Home doesn't work when it's meant to start you flying |
| [10:44] | Squirrel Wood: | well, it works NOT in the bottom chat bar but DOES work in the chat history one ? |
| [10:45] | Baba Yamamoto: | It does work in my chat history bar |
| [10:45] | Torley Tester remembers focus model changes that altered behavior of keys in the chatbar over time... | |
| [10:45] | Daedalus Young: | yes, works in my chat history too |
| [10:45] | Squirrel Wood: | inconsistent behavior ^^ |
| [10:45] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I'm back |
| [10:45] | Jansen Miles: | Yep. The regular chat bar is screwied. |
| [10:45] | Torley Tester: | WB Ben. |
| [10:45] | Squirrel Wood: | wb |
| [10:45] | Daedalus Young: | because the Home key is already reserved for something else |
| [10:45] | Benjamin Linden: | did you guys figure this one out :-) |
| [10:46] | Baba Yamamoto: | the bottom chat bar is meant to be non intrusive to your experience where as chat history is focused on text input |
| [10:46] | Baba Yamamoto: | I see them serving different purposes |
| [10:46] | Torley Tester: | Well, I wonder if this bug is a problem at other common resolutions, like 1024x768. |
| [10:46] | Torley Tester: | Or 1280x1024. |
| [10:46] | Squirrel Wood: | essentially they serve the same purpose ^^ |
| [10:47] | Daedalus Young: | ok, unchecking "Arrow keys always move avatar" in preferences, Home works in the bottom chatbar too |
| [10:47] | Baba Yamamoto: | Squirrel, only not.. Right now my chat history is up and I'm chatting full screen.. I'm focused on text input |
| [10:47] | Torley Tester: | This bug seems small and edge-casey for me because I see no clear feelings that this is a disruptive problem. |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | Torley, can you give me a one sentence overview? |
| [10:47] | Benjamin Linden: | I'm trying to get caught up |
| [10:47] | Baba Yamamoto: | if I were doing somethign more active in SL I might not use chat history becaus I want to perform other opperations |
| [10:47] | Squirrel Wood: | yep... low priority |
| [10:47] | Daedalus Young: | and I think the original issue is fixed at least in the RC |
| [10:47] | Squirrel Wood: | definitely |
| [10:47] | Baba Yamamoto: | ;0 |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | Ben, I don't understand all the minutae myself, I'm wondering how it can be simplified. |
| [10:48] | Benjamin Linden: | ok, should we import it or let it marinate? |
| [10:48] | Benjamin Linden: | that is an insanely long repro |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | I'd suggest importing as small. |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | And asking for simplification. |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | Which I can do. :) |
| [10:48] | Daedalus Young: | wb Sai |
| [10:48] | Squirrel Wood: | yep. import and fix when its convenient ^^ |
| [10:48] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I'll mark it imported in the wiki |
| [10:48] | Torley Tester: | K. *imports* |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | next is VWR-1417 |
| [10:49] | Benjamin Linden: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-1417 |
| [10:49] | Daedalus Young: | hmm, can't test, as the lists are empty here anyway :P |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | I can try banning someone :-) |
| [10:50] | Squirrel Wood: | unless you have the land/parcel selected it will "lose" focus. |
| [10:50] | Torley Tester: | HAHA. |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | ok I banned Brent Linden :-) |
| [10:50] | Squirrel Wood: | it has always been that was as far as I can remember |
| [10:50] | Torley Tester: | I remember trying to repro this earlier but could not. |
| [10:50] | Baba Yamamoto: | I hate that guy ;0 |
| [10:50] | Baba Yamamoto: | he's so.. blonde! |
| [10:50] | Benjamin Linden: | but it stays in the list |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | it's not repr--ing for me |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | it is for me |
| [10:51] | Squirrel Wood: | right-click the ground => about land. then left-click. stays focused. |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | have the window open, then click on the ground, the list is empty |
| [10:51] | Torley Tester tries those exact repro steps. | |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | oh I see |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | until you right-click About Land |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | I was clicking onto another window |
| [10:51] | Baba Yamamoto: | I can repro it |
| [10:51] | Benjamin Linden: | yes that's very odd |
| [10:51] | Squirrel Wood: | click the sim name at the top, dialog shows. click anywhere... focus lost |
| [10:51] | Baba Yamamoto: | wait maybe not |
| [10:51] | Daedalus Young: | it's because you select the land when you open the land window |
| [10:52] | Torley Tester: | I can't repro this. |
| [10:52] | Daedalus Young: | and deselect if you click the prim floor |
| [10:52] | Benjamin Linden: | it's not specific to the ban list |
| [10:52] | Squirrel Wood: | When the land is actually selected you do not lose focus. If it is not, you do. |
| [10:52] | Benjamin Linden: | it's everything in the window (except the parcel name) |
| [10:53] | Daedalus Young: | I notice |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | I agree this is confusing |
| [10:53] | Squirrel Wood: | has always been that way ^^ |
| [10:53] | Benjamin Linden: | I think we should import it and at least have someone explain why it works this way |
| [10:53] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm... what is the repro here? |
| [10:53] | Torley Tester: | I tried those repro steps and I can still see info inside About Land. |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | Sec... |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | Oh yeah, I see what Ben's saying. |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | I'm familiar with that behavior. |
| [10:54] | Squirrel Wood: | open the about land window by clicking on the land/sim name at the top of the window. then click anywhere on the screen where there is no window |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | Got it, thanks Squirrel. |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | I see that too. |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | *imports* |
| [10:54] | Torley Tester: | Definitely confusing to me too, doesn't seem to be a good reason to make that info disappear just because the window is out of focus. |
| [10:55] | Baba Yamamoto: | Heh, has anyone brought up the group window asking you to save changes when you view the roles /user list even if you make no changes or don't ahve perms? <_< i'm searching jira for that now |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | ok cool, let's move on then |
| [10:55] | Benjamin Linden: | baba I'm pretty sure I've seen a bug for that |
| [10:55] | Torley Tester: | Baba, I think that is fixed in an RC... either that or a similar one to that (with Profile Picks). |
| [10:55] | Baba Yamamoto: | oh good |
| [10:55] | Baba Yamamoto: | I have another event coming up.. good to see you torley ;) |
| [10:55] | Torley Tester: | *retitles VWR-1417 too* |
| [10:55] | Squirrel Wood sneaks in misc-632 ;) | |
| [10:56] | Torley Tester: | You too Baba, it's been so long! |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | ok next |
| [10:56] | Baba Yamamoto: | busy busy! |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | VWR-1575 |
| [10:56] | Benjamin Linden: | http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/vwr-1575 |
| [10:56] | Daedalus Young: | 1575, it appears fixed in the latest RC |
| [10:56] | Squirrel Wood: | 1575... don't have that issue.. use ctrl-H to toggle the window |
| [10:57] | Benjamin Linden: | the behavior described is how it should work |
| [10:57] | Benjamin Linden: | closing should close, not reattach |
| [10:57] | Daedalus Young: | I can't really remember what I did since last relog, but it appears the window keeps its location and size and torn-offness between logins |
| [10:57] | Daedalus Young: | "Closing the window or pressing the History button, counterintuitively reattaches the window rather than the expected behaviour - i.e, that it should close, and on pressing History again should reopen in its torn off state and position." |
| [10:58] | Daedalus Young: | this for sure is not the case anymore in the RC |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | I can't repro VWR-1575 in 1.18.2 |
| [10:58] | Squirrel Wood: | I've added the keyboard shortcuts to the issue |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | We changed behavior so reopening Near Me/History will retain its position. |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Squirrel! |
| [10:58] | Savannah Glimmer: | I can repro it in candidate with vista |
| [10:58] | Daedalus Young: | yes, it works like that for me, Torley |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Daedalus. |
| [10:58] | Benjamin Linden: | this is an older bug I think it's safe to say it's fixed |
| [10:58] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm really Savannah? |
| [10:59] | Torley Tester: | The behavior appears correct to me. |
| [10:59] | Savannah Glimmer: | I'll redo it again one sec |
| [10:59] | Torley Tester: | Try detaching the Near Me window, then clicking the History button on the toolbar or doing Ctrl-H. |
| [10:59] | Savannah Glimmer: | this time I closed all windows and history came up on its own unattached. |
| [11:00] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Savannah, that sounds correct. |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | yes, that's right |
| [11:00] | Benjamin Linden: | it should remember its state |
| [11:00] | Torley Tester: | OK, I'll mark as Fixed then. |
| [11:00] | Squirrel Wood: | http://www.dream.at/temp/ohours.htm <= office hour table for this week. (me wants to see something like this in the wiki) |
| [11:00] | Savannah Glimmer: | the first time I left the communicate window open and it retattached |
| [11:01] | Benjamin Linden: | you could create it, Squirrel :-) |
| [11:01] | Daedalus Young: | even with the communicate window open, it doesn't reattach for me |
| [11:01] | Savannah Glimmer: | ok |
| [11:01] | Daedalus Young: | only when I click the reattach button |
| [11:01] | Torley Tester: | Yeah, or collab with Marv on it Squirrel! I like that chart! |
| [11:01] | Torley Tester: | *nod* Thanks Daedalus, so it appears this is no longer an issue. |
| [11:01] | Daedalus Young: | I'd say so |
| [11:02] | Torley Tester: | =D |
| [11:02] | Torley Tester: | Muchly appreciated! |
| [11:02] | Torley Tester: | w00t, resolved that as Fixed. |
| [11:02] | Benjamin Linden: | ok that's a good stopping point |
| [11:02] | Wyn Galbraith: | Thanks for the meeting. |
| [11:02] | Torley Tester: | Thanks for being here with us! |
| [11:02] | Benjamin Linden: | thanks everyone for coming! |
| [11:02] | Torley Tester: | Always a joy to have your input and help figuring out these things. |
| [11:02] | Wyn Galbraith: | Always a pleasure Torley. |
| [11:02] | Benjamin Linden: | and please do remember to try and have a look at the agenda before the meeting |
| [11:02] | Savannah Glimmer: | Thanks Benjamin and Torley |
| [11:02] | Daedalus Young: | as always, I'm just happy I can help |
| [11:02] | Squirrel Wood: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-632 needs more votes. Especially Benjamin Linden votes and such ^^ |
| [11:02] | Tao Takashi: | yep, thanks :) |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | I'll add a pointer to the agenda instructions on this page and start sending reminders to sldev |
| [11:03] | Tao Takashi: | spare your votes for my issues when I have some time to put them in ;-) |
| [11:03] | Torley Tester: | Oh yeah re: MISC-632, let me add a link to Particle Wizard. |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | I'll review that issue later today, Squirrel |
| [11:03] | Tao Takashi: | but some sit target editor would be nice :) |
| [11:03] | Benjamin Linden: | did you put it on the agenda? |
| [11:04] | Squirrel Wood: | wiki and I tend to be mortal enemies ^^ |
| [11:04] | Daedalus Young: | sittarget and settext editor |
| [11:04] | Wyn Galbraith: | I think dialogs like that would be helpfull for a lot of complex commands. |
| [11:04] | Daedalus Young: | and sculptie topology changer :P |
| [11:04] | Savannah Glimmer: | and griefer fly paper |
| [11:04] | Squirrel Wood: | Add your comments and suggestions and subtasks and stuff to the issue ^^ |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | I used to be a wiki hater too, squirrel, but I'm a convert :-) |
| [11:05] | Torley Tester: | Take care all, see you guys later! |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | ok all, Torley and I have to run |
| [11:05] | Tao Takashi: | wiki's are ok but somehow seen too much as the solution for everything ;_) |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | see you Thursday! |
| [11:05] | Squirrel Wood: | interface layout suggestions... put them in ^^ |
| [11:05] | Daedalus Young: | thanks Torley, hope everything will be ok |
| [11:05] | Squirrel Wood: | See you ^^ |
| [11:05] | Tao Takashi: | cya all |
| [11:05] | Tao Takashi: | (later) :) |
| [11:05] | Squirrel Wood: | and squash that nasty exploit |
| [11:05] | Benjamin Linden: | bye Tao |
| [11:05] | Savannah Glimmer: | Yes good luck Torley, hope all will be well. |
| [11:05] | Wyn Galbraith: | B-bye!!! :D |