User:Bridie Linden/Office Hours/2007 Aug 29
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Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:
| [14:59] | Bridie Linden: | Howdy all! |
| [14:59] | Bridie Linden: | Sorry I'm late! |
| [14:59] | Daedalus Young: | hiya |
| [14:59] | Jansen Miles: | 'Lo. |
| [15:00] | Benja Kepler: | hi |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Other LIndens are on their way too |
| [15:00] | Justa Koba: | just on time. Not late |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden shouts: Hello everyone! | |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden wipes brow | |
| [15:00] | Bridie Linden: | Lots of meetings today! |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Friendly greetings. :D |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Yeah, so many meetings, it's craaaazy. |
| [15:00] | Daedalus Young: | hi Torley |
| [15:00] | Torley Linden: | Ack, wrong viewer, I'm gonna relog quickly... |
| [15:00] | Justa Koba: | Hi Torley |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden laughs | |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | need .... Wind ... Light ... |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | :) |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Hang in there Daedalus! |
| [15:01] | Daedalus Young: | heh yes, can't wait |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Standard preamble for any new folks today... |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | please be sure to take a look @ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage#Process_notes |
| [15:01] | Bridie Linden: | Also, see Torley's great post on better bug reporting: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/05/how-to-report-bugs-better/ |
| [15:02] | Torley Tester: | Back. In a matter of speaking. Thanks. :) |
| [15:02] | Torley Tester: | My other account is locked out. :\ Bug! |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | Here's today's agenda: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | wb, Torley! |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | (short list today!) |
| [15:02] | Wyn Galbraith: | Hello all. |
| [15:02] | Torley Tester: | *checks* |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | Help creating/editing the agenda each week is always welcome - hint, hint. |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | Hello Wyn! |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | We'll be on the look out for good repros, system info, linking duplicate issues, making sure priority is set correctly before we import issues into our internal issue tracker. |
| [15:02] | Wyn Galbraith: | Torley got locked out! |
| [15:02] | Torley Tester: | Yeah, we definitely appreciate Resident participation in what crashes are hot... |
| [15:02] | Bridie Linden: | This will be a text-chat triage and I'll be posting the transcripts after the triage is over. |
| [15:03] | Daedalus Young: | hi Rob |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | Anything else before we get started? Aric Linden is on his way, too |
| [15:03] | Torley Tester: | Oh great. |
| [15:03] | Torley Tester: | Heya Rob! |
| [15:03] | Wyn Galbraith's laptop is beginning to over heat. | |
| [15:03] | Torley Tester: | Yikes Wyn. :O |
| [15:03] | Rob Linden: | hi all |
| [15:03] | Torley Tester: | Iridium will be here after working on some Burning Life stuff. |
| [15:03] | Bridie Linden: | Oh let me see if I have WarKirby's new urler... |
| [15:03] | Justa Koba: | Hello Rob |
| [15:04] | Wyn Galbraith goes to get an icepack, "It's very hot on this side of the bay today." | |
| [15:04] | Torley Tester: | I prefer cooler temperatures generally. |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | ah well, can't find it right now |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1926 |
| [15:05] | Bridie Linden: | Crash on Login (attempt 1) |
| [15:05] | Daedalus Young: | was closed as dupe of vwr-1646 |
| [15:05] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm I thought this was fixed earlier but it needs to be distinguished what is causing this. |
| [15:06] | Torley Tester: | Bibi Book is the only one who's commented since I resolved it earlier. |
| [15:06] | Bridie Linden: | Yes, I see that... |
| [15:06] | Torley Tester: | It may not even be the same cause... |
| [15:06] | Daedalus Young: | I haven't had the (attempt 1) since last triage we discussed it |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | Hmm - re-resolve? |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | I have never seen "(attempt 1)" literally in an error message, personally. |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | ask Bibi to try again? |
| [15:07] | Daedalus Young: | oh, it's no error message, it showed up on login |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | Oh... |
| [15:07] | Daedalus Young: | where normally it just says "logging in" |
| [15:07] | Mercia McMahon: | I regularly get it on an eMac running Panther, but never on Linux or Vista |
| [15:07] | Laetizia Coronet: | hi all |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | Ah OK, on the progress bar... I see. |
| [15:07] | Torley Tester: | This is a good example of an issue that needs more Residents (who are having it) to chime in. |
| [15:07] | Daedalus Young: | yes |
| [15:07] | Bridie Linden: | Or leave open and see if any one else chimes in? |
| [15:08] | Torley Tester: | GMTA, Bridie. |
| [15:08] | Daedalus Young: | hi Laetizia |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | GMTL Torley! |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | LOL |
| [15:08] | Laetizia Coronet: | sorry Jansen |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | ok, let's leave this one and check on it next week... |
| [15:08] | Saijanai Kuhn: | clock unmerge |
| [15:08] | Torley Tester: | K, I'll leave a comment. |
| [15:08] | Bridie Linden: | Thx, next up VWR-2257 - Votes: 1 - Upload Animation window, crash after moving frame slider with In percentage set |
| [15:09] | Torley Tester: | This looks like it has good info! |
| [15:09] | Torley Tester: | A video repro and an attached BVH. |
| [15:09] | Torley Tester: | Looks good to import. |
| [15:09] | Torley Tester: | What do you guys think? =D |
| [15:09] | Laetizia Coronet: | afk |
| [15:09] | Benja Kepler: | and it happens with SL bvh files too |
| [15:09] | Laetizia Coronet: | I think you are not here |
| [15:10] | Torley Tester: | I must emphasize I appreciate your video bug repros, Benja -- time and time again. |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | Agrees w/Torley |
| [15:10] | Benja Kepler: | yvw TT |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | on both counts! |
| [15:10] | Justa Koba: | I do not know if it is the same at all, but I crash any time I try to upload anything for the past week |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | import and thank you Benja! |
| [15:10] | Torley Tester: | Yes! *imports* |
| [15:10] | Bridie Linden: | Really Justa? |
| [15:10] | Justa Koba: | yes |
| [15:10] | clock second hand: Hello, Avatar! | |
| [15:10] | clock second hand: Hello, Avatar! | |
| [15:11] | Justa Koba: | anything added to or accessed from my inventory |
| [15:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | seconds |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | Let's discuss more later... |
| [15:11] | Bridie Linden: | Next up, VWR-2221 - Editing results in a crash |
| [15:11] | Saijanai Kuhn: | clock merge |
| [15:12] | Aric Linden: | /hello? |
| [15:12] | Saijanai Kuhn: | seconds |
| [15:12] | Torley Tester: | Heya Aric! |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | Welcome Aric! |
| [15:12] | Aric Linden: | Heya torley Safari guide |
| [15:12] | Torley Tester: | Hahaha. |
| [15:12] | Bridie Linden: | Short list today: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda |
| [15:12] | Torley Tester: | Hm, VWR-2221 should have crash logs. |
| [15:12] | Aric Linden: | sorry i'm late. |
| [15:13] | Torley Tester: | And copies of the objects perhaps if possible... |
| [15:13] | Daedalus Young: | I tried it just now, but saw nothing weird at all, having bandwidth window open |
| [15:13] | Torley Tester: | Yeah, I wonder if it's very specific depending on content. |
| [15:13] | Torley Tester: | Sound like a good idea to ask for more info? |
| [15:13] | clock second hand: Hello, Avatar! | |
| [15:13] | Daedalus Young: | I did notice more issues with attachments at "hip" position, but the comment is about the head |
| [15:13] | Bridie Linden: | Strange one |
| [15:13] | Saijanai Kuhn: | seconds |
| [15:13] | Aric Linden: | are we on 1926? |
| [15:13] | Torley Tester: | VWR-2221. |
| [15:13] | Justa Koba: | yes, the item would be good to see |
| [15:14] | Aric Linden: | ahh. thanks |
| [15:14] | Torley Tester: | NP. |
| [15:14] | Bridie Linden: | It sounds like when you lose connection to sim |
| [15:14] | Torley Tester: | Yeah... so the viewer doesn't actually quit... but it's a disconnect. |
| [15:14] | Torley Tester: | We should have system info here too. |
| [15:14] | Bridie Linden: | I think 'needs more info'...anyone want to ping Ambrosia whittenton? |
| [15:15] | Aric Linden: | I will |
| [15:15] | Bridie Linden: | Thx |
| [15:15] | Aric Linden: | np |
| [15:15] | Bridie Linden: | Next, VWR-2211 - 64bit processor systems Crash when tyring to upload |
| [15:15] | Torley Tester: | Thanks! |
| [15:16] | Bridie Linden: | Any thoughts on this one Aric? |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | I'm curious to know if his 64 bit system exhibits similar behavior when he, say, tries to upload an image to yahoo or something |
| [15:17] | Saijanai Kuhn: | Mac OS X 10.4 is only partly 64-bit so can't tell if it is a 64-bit issue or XP issue |
| [15:17] | Torley Tester: | Hrmmm... |
| [15:17] | Aric Linden: | I suspect it's related to network handling in 64 bit |
| [15:17] | Bridie Linden: | good questions |
| [15:18] | Torley Tester: | Aric, did you want to add a comment there? |
| [15:18] | Bridie Linden: | Resolve as 'needs more info' and add those questions to comments? |
| [15:18] | Aric Linden: | /nods |
| [15:18] | Torley Tester: | Thanks. :D I'll resolve parallel to Aric's commentary. =) |
| [15:18] | Bridie Linden: | great! |
| [15:18] | Mercia McMahon: | I never tried uploading anything other than taking a snapshot, but I can try in Linux but my Vista is only 32-bit (a Dell c521) |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Thx Mercia |
| [15:19] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm I suspect we need a stronger reminder to include crash log and system info for crashes in the Issue Tracker itself... |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Moving swiftly along... |
| [15:19] | Rob Linden: | 2211 could be a Kakadu thing...transcode before upload |
| [15:19] | Rob Linden: | but anyway, moving along |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Next, VWR-1690 SL Locks up, and TCP/IP temporarily fails for whole system |
| [15:19] | Torley Tester: | Aric left a comment on that this morning! |
| [15:19] | Bridie Linden: | Ah! |
| [15:19] | Aric Linden: | grins |
| [15:20] | Torley Tester: | Right on, preemptive! |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | B/c Bridie actually remembered to ask him to! :) |
| [15:20] | Torley Tester: | Haha nice Bridie! |
| [15:20] | Torley Tester: | I love the chain of cause-and-effect. |
| [15:20] | Bridie Linden: | resolve back to Planet? |
| [15:20] | Torley Tester: | Needs More Info again, then? |
| [15:21] | Torley Tester: | What do you guys think? =) |
| [15:21] | Justa Koba: | it seems to be a firewall problem |
| [15:21] | Bridie Linden: | yes, please. |
| [15:21] | Aric Linden: | I don't think it's netword specifcally |
| [15:21] | Justa Koba: | if she dosen't know how to enable the ports how is she to know? |
| [15:22] | Torley Tester: | K... *Needs More Info* again it is... Justa, if you have further questions for discussion do you wanna leave a comment there? |
| [15:22] | Aric Linden: | I think it's the way they're doing the 32 bit simulation in 64 bit. i think it's causing buffer probs |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | Justa - any chance you'd help us do some leg work? maybe try IMing PlanetThoughts for us? |
| [15:22] | Justa Koba: | k |
| [15:22] | Rob Linden: | what does the Microsoft KB say about 32-bit Windows on 64-bit arch? Is there specific recommendation? |
| [15:22] | Bridie Linden: | thx much! |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | I don't know Rob, anyone else know? |
| [15:23] | Mercia McMahon is still logged in after uploading on Linux will add comment to vwr-2211 | |
| [15:23] | Aric Linden: | Rob, I don't remember teh specifics, but I know there are problems |
| [15:23] | Rob Linden: | I'm wondering if "more info" is needed, or if this is "not supported" because it's known flakey |
| [15:23] | Bridie Linden: | Ty Mercia |
| [15:23] | Aric Linden: | I went through this at my last job |
| [15:23] | Aric Linden: | It may be that there are configurations that will make this manageable for him |
| [15:23] | Torley Tester: | I think running 32-bit Windows on 64-bit processors is generally fine -- I did that with my last system, an Opteron 170. But I haven't checked the Microsoft KB. |
| [15:23] | Aric Linden: | but we don't have a way of supporting it internally |
| [15:24] | Torley Tester: | After all, reason why a lot of people don't want to go 64-bit Windows is because of lack of driver support and certain other incompatibility tssues. |
| [15:25] | Aric Linden: | exactly. I suspect that this is the case here; there's either a driver misfit or a config issue |
| [15:25] | Torley Tester: | Besides, aren't most modern desktop processors 64-bit now anyway? |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | (It's so quiet) |
| [15:26] | Ciaran Laval: | Where's everyone gone? |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | Ciaran, we're still here! |
| [15:26] | Daedalus Young: | I got redmapped |
| [15:26] | Jansen Miles: | I've been running XP SP2 then Vista 32 on this Athlon 64 for two years. I have hardware issues, but no problems with SL beyond voice not working (which I think is a hardware incompatibility between my Creative Labs card and my mobo). |
| [15:26] | Wyn Galbraith is melting. | |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | Thanks Jansen. |
| [15:26] | Ciaran Laval: | I crashed |
| [15:26] | Bridie Linden: | on to next one... |
| [15:26] | Torley Tester: | OK... |
| [15:26] | Jansen Miles: | Everything's 64 bit today, if you're talking the new multi-core procs. |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | VWR-2239 - Win client / Nvidia Quadro 4500 / constant crashing |
| [15:27] | Torley Tester: | Nice comment there, Benja. |
| [15:27] | Benja Kepler: | aye |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden: | exactly. |
| [15:27] | Aric Linden: | the resolution is "get a new card" |
| [15:27] | Bridie Linden: | Resolve Torley? |
| [15:27] | Torley Tester: | OK, "Won't Finish" and I'll note that. |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Ty |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | Next, VWR-2194 - Vista is not supported yet in Second Life |
| [15:28] | Aric Linden: | I think this one can be resolved as well. |
| [15:28] | Bridie Linden: | MichaelFrancis commented |
| [15:29] | Torley Tester: | Ah yes... |
| [15:29] | Bridie Linden: | First step if you're running vista, 'eh? |
| [15:29] | Jansen Miles: | Sounds like hardware or gfx drivers, not Vista. I've ONLY run SL under Vista. |
| [15:29] | Torley Tester: | BTW, segueway... we're fleshing out a Windows Vista wiki page with info -- http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Windows_Vista |
| [15:29] | Aric Linden: | yes, jansen, you have to have the uptodate native drivers |
| [15:29] | Torley Tester: | If you have useful into to add to it (and of course I linked to Aric's recent post), please do. |
| [15:30] | Torley Tester: | I made specific mention of updating your graphics drivers on that page too, after talking to MichaelFrancis earlier. |
| [15:30] | Wyn Galbraith: | The problem is that if you buy a new windows system you get Vista. |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | And finally -- VWR-2244 Editting Attachment on Nose causes SL to Crash |
| [15:30] | etherkye Hansen: | vista >.< |
| [15:30] | Bridie Linden: | Again, Benja with the helpful comments! |
| [15:31] | Bridie Linden: | Resolve as 'needs more info'? |
| [15:31] | Justa Koba: | pretty much the same as VWR-2221 is it not |
| [15:31] | Bridie Linden: | Could be... |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm intriguing observation Justa. |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | It does *sound* the same... |
| [15:31] | Torley Tester: | We can resolve as dupe if so... any other opinions on this? |
| [15:31] | Bridie Linden: | Or link them as related? |
| [15:31] | Aric Linden: | If kyder wants to pass the head to QA for trying to repro, that'd be swell |
| [15:31] | Justa Koba: | the attachments, again would be good to see what's in them |
| [15:32] | Ciaran Laval: | I think seeing what's in the attachment would be a good move |
| [15:32] | Torley Tester: | I'd link as related if they sounded more different, but... this sounds the same. |
| [15:32] | Torley Tester: | I asked for providing attachments in the other one. |
| [15:32] | Wyn Galbraith: | Need more info. |
| [15:32] | Torley Tester: | We usually like to resolve dupes so "stray info" doesn't get lost and we can focus. |
| [15:32] | Torley Tester: | Otherwise stuff gets spread across 2, 3, etc. issues, all containing pieces of a larger puzzle. |
| [15:32] | Bridie Linden: | Good thinking... |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | agreed |
| [15:33] | Saijanai Kuhn trots out issue oabut LSL top-level jira project in background | |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden: | Sooo...2 more items I want to spontaneously add to the agenda... |
| [15:33] | Torley Tester: | I'll resolve this as dupe, then, unless anyone sees something different from VWR-2221. |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | looks at bridie |
| [15:33] | Benja Kepler: | good night all! |
| [15:33] | Wyn Galbraith: | Sleep sweet Benja. |
| [15:33] | Ciaran Laval: | Night Benja |
| [15:33] | Aric Linden: | hey benja, thanks for all your help! |
| [15:33] | Benja Kepler: | yvw |
| [15:33] | Bridie Linden: | Night Benja, thx |
| [15:33] | Torley Tester: | Thanks for your prolific help Benja! Nite. |
| [15:34] | Justa Koba crosses fingers after a week of not being able to do things | |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | 1.) We've made it through all of the crashes (so far) that hadn't been imported...what should we do with this time each week? |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | and item 2.) is very exciting! |
| [15:34] | Aric Linden: | set me free |
| [15:34] | Torley Tester: | Haha. |
| [15:34] | Saijanai Kuhn: | what is item 2? |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | http://blog.secondlife.com/ |
| [15:34] | Bridie Linden: | :) |
| [15:34] | Torley Tester: | w00t Bridie with da multitaskin'! |
| [15:34] | Wyn Galbraith let's Aric out of his cage, "Fly little birdy, Fly" | |
| [15:34] | Iridium Linden: | I'm so sorry that I'm late. |
| [15:35] | Aric Linden: | love bridie for getting it done! |
| [15:35] | Torley Tester: | Iridium, I know you were busy! Good to see you! |
| [15:35] | Al Sonic: | By the way, my VWR-2191 can probably be closed... |
| [15:35] | Torley Tester: | Why's that Al? |
| [15:35] | Iridium Linden: | Likewise. |
| [15:35] | Wyn Galbraith: | We're all done Iridium!:) |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Iridium! |
| [15:35] | Torley Tester: | *checks Al's comment* |
| [15:35] | Saijanai Kuhn: | open discussio time/ |
| [15:35] | Saijanai Kuhn: | ? |
| [15:35] | Bridie Linden: | So, should I keep open office hours? |
| [15:35] | Al Sonic: | Well I fixed that issue I toldya about before, by deleting the Application Data folder. |
| [15:35] | Ciaran Laval: | Why does my group change to ??? |
| [15:35] | Torley Tester: | Al, wanna resolve it yourself? You can feel free to do it, you have the power. Good to know it got fixed! |
| [15:36] | Bridie Linden: | or should we start triaging another area? |
| [15:36] | Al Sonic: | Ah, okie, just never done it before. |
| [15:36] | Torley Tester: | No worries -- you can resolve as "Fixed". |
| [15:36] | Wyn Galbraith: | Why not move on to other areas. |
| [15:36] | Saijanai Kuhn: | lots of suggestions are low-priorty due to bugs. BUt you guys are supposed to hit all bugs first now, I think |
| [15:36] | Al Sonic: | Ah thanx. |
| [15:37] | Torley Tester: | Bridie, did you see Liana's earlier suggestion of Hippotropolis for open source-related meetings too? |
| [15:37] | Rob Linden: | we're definitely very focused on bugfixing right now |
| [15:37] | Bridie Linden nods to Rob | |
| [15:37] | Torley Tester: | Yup, the blog post Bridie just made, makes that clear too. |
| [15:37] | Rob Linden: | Torley....this is a very cool pad; I'd hate to tear this meeting out of here |
| [15:37] | Saijanai Kuhn: | What about a feature request which is really a feature-restoration request? |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Rob: =D I like what Bridie's got groovin' on too. |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Saijanai, what's that? |
| [15:38] | Rob Linden: | as much as I'd like to steer more traffic to Hippotropolis |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Hm, I've been continually logged out of the wiki today... |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | I'd really like to encourage this group to try out the RC viewer! :) |
| [15:38] | Justa Koba: | I'm sorry, Birdie, did you have a chance to read the note I had my gf pass to you earlier today? |
| [15:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | the text resize options broke in the voice first loo and the bug was propgated into the final viewer code |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Yes, I'm downloading the new 1.18.3 RC viewer as I type! |
| [15:38] | Justa Koba: | I look forward to trying the new viewer |
| [15:38] | Iridium Linden: | wow, you're finished. |
| [15:38] | Saijanai Kuhn: | or is tht fixed in 1.18.3? |
| [15:38] | Iridium Linden: | :( |
| [15:38] | Torley Tester: | Saijanai: What's the issue for that? |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | Justa, glanced aat it... |
| [15:38] | Bridie Linden: | https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/BrowseProject.jspa |
| [15:38] | Jansen Miles: | Release candidate viewer? |
| [15:39] | Bridie Linden: | Yes Jansen! |
| [15:39] | Saijanai Kuhn: | not sure if there is one. I had assumed it would fix itself by the time the viewer got relased nad it never did. My bad |
| [15:39] | Torley Tester: | More info about Release Candidate viewers and what they beneficially mean to YOU -- http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/29/new-update-process-introducing-release-candidate-viewers/ |
| [15:39] | Saijanai Kuhn: | I'll make a jira for it if there isn't one |
| [15:40] | Torley Tester: | Saijanai: Thanks, if it's still broken it sounds like something for the agenda for Ben's UI bug triages. |
| [15:40] | Daedalus Young: | ohh, get.secondlife.com/mac gives me version 1.18.1.2, while 1.18.2.0 is the latest |
| [15:40] | Daedalus Young: | is that a bug? |
| [15:40] | Al Sonic: | Ooh, hippotropolis sounds like a good place to visit. |
| [15:40] | Torley Tester: | Daedalus: Hmmm... 1.18.2 had fixes to the voice code as I recall, I can ping some Lindens about that... |
| [15:40] | Iridium Linden: | Hey, just a reminder that the Internationalization triage will be held this Friday at 2pm. |
| [15:41] | Daedalus Young: | the win version also gives 1.18.1.2 |
| [15:41] | PonygirlSarah Clapper: | my group, if youll follow me, we'll go |
| [15:41] | Daedalus Young: | and so does Linux |
| [15:41] | Bridie Linden: | We've started this program so that Residents can have a peak at fixes/new features that are just about ready for prime time and give us feedback BEFORE they're part of the default download |
| [15:41] | RanRan Torres: | progress ? |
| [15:41] | Torley Tester: | Daed: Yeah it should be 1.18.2 I reckon... |
| [15:41] | Saijanai Kuhn: | BTW, Im creating a UI featture patch on my mac. NOt sure how to submit it cause the example uses a windows app to do the patch creation. |
| [15:41] | Daedalus Young: | see https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Downloads , the latest versions are 1.18.2, but the get links give me 1.18.1.2 |
| [15:41] | Torley Tester: | I just looked there too Daed. |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | OK, I'll ask Jeff about it (who posted earlier about get.secondlife.com). |
| [15:42] | Mercia McMahon: | btw if I run the Linux pre-Voice viewer I am asked if I want to download the Voice viewer to my Applications folder, that is an OSX message! |
| [15:42] | Torley Tester: | Thanks for the observation. |
| [15:42] | Daedalus Young: | ok |
| [15:42] | Daedalus Young: | yw |
| [15:42] | RanRan Torres: | so , is anyone willing to talk to us about our issue ? |
| [15:42] | Bridie Linden: | RanRan, what's up? |
| [15:43] | Torley Tester: | Ah Jeff just replied, "I know, it has to do with the fact that the website now uses the version manager, which still returns 1.18.1.2" -- that should be fixed in the future, needless to say. |
| [15:43] | Torley Tester: | All these versions to keep track of. @_@ |
| [15:43] | Bridie Linden nods | |
| [15:43] | Rosen Janus: | Heya, Torley. ^^ |
| [15:43] | Daedalus Young: | ah I see |
| [15:43] | RanRan Torres: | We have been to the concierge and got very rude brush offs |
| [15:43] | Torley Tester: | Heya Rosen! |
| [15:43] | Daedalus Young: | well np big problem |
| [15:44] | Rosen Janus: | I think I even see some performance fixes in the new Release Candidate software |
| [15:44] | Torley Tester: | I'm just adding resolutions to the web agenda so that they're ready for Bridie to archive. |
| [15:44] | RanRan Torres: | its about the age verification . We want to speak to someone about it |
| [15:44] | Jansen Miles: | Well, I now look forward to a Windlight RC viewer soon. :-) |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | Not sure we can help RanRan -- this is the end of a bug triage, but perhaps we can point you in the right direction |
| [15:44] | Rosen Janus: | RC? What'd I miss? |
| [15:44] | RanRan Torres: | that would be helpfull |
| [15:44] | Saijanai Kuhn: | is that Daniel LInden or Robin, or both, for that kind of thing?\ |
| [15:44] | Rosen Janus: | Oh.. Release Candidate. XD |
| [15:44] | etherkye Hansen: | i'll take the name of whoever is inharge of age verification |
| [15:44] | Al Sonic: | Ooh. Foliage. |
| [15:44] | Bridie Linden: | Hey Rosen, http://blog.secondlife.com/ |
| [15:44] | Rosen Janus: | I saw. ^^ Good work. |
| [15:44] | Torley Tester: | WindLight will be a First Look -- the main distinction is that it has a greater major set of themed features, as detailed in the blog post too. |
| [15:45] | Mercia McMahon: | ty for the meeting off to my next one now |
| [15:45] | Rob Linden: | go to Robin's Tuesday office hour |
| [15:45] | Jansen Miles: | nods |
| [15:45] | Saijanai Kuhn: | Will the first look include all the bugfixes in the current candidate? |
| [15:45] | Justa Koba: | Can some one please tell me something about my support ticket? I crash every time I access my inventory. I have not gotten any clue from anyone for over a week, I have every pice of info I can imagine you would need |
| [15:45] | Torley Tester: | And Bridie and I are directly working on WindLight... I'm doing casual product updates @ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden |
| [15:45] | Wyn Galbraith passed the verification thing this morning. | |
| [15:45] | Justa Koba: | My gf can play just fine opn her acct on the same pc |
| [15:45] | Alexa Linden: | or Chadrick's Friday office hours at 11am SLT |
| [15:45] | Torley Tester: | Saijanai: That depends where it's branched off of, I think, but we try to keep it recent (and have been doing so internally). |
| [15:45] | etherkye Hansen reufuses to use an unsecrure site | |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | It should Saijanai... |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | The current internal WindLight is based on 1.18.2, as an example. And a not-too-distant build will likely be based on 1.18.3. |
| [15:46] | Bridie Linden: | but as Torley said depends on timing... |
| [15:46] | Saijanai Kuhn: | about that patch submission on a Mac issue.. . |
| [15:46] | Torley Tester: | Who else here likes "Knights of Cydonia"? I think about it every time I see dramatic skies. |
| [15:46] | RanRan Torres: | i may have lost that during the techno speak , who did you say ? |
| [15:47] | Wyn Galbraith: | Haven't seen that one yet Torley. |
| [15:47] | Saijanai Kuhn: | is there an application for Linux/Mac users, or do I have to get a friendly windows person to run the patch creation software? |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | RanRan, please try attending Robin Linden's office hours on Tuesday. |
| [15:47] | Bridie Linden: | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours#Robin_Linden |
| [15:48] | Wyn Galbraith: | I think she is. |
| [15:48] | Ciaran Laval: | I think Robin might be outta town Tuesday |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | Wyn: It's one of my fave music videos. |
| [15:48] | Rosen Janus: | =D The sculpts even preview the right way. |
| [15:48] | Torley Tester: | OK, pardon if I go silent, doing pass of PJIRA bugs. Ciaran, I've seen that bug time to time -- a region restart should remedy that. |
| [15:48] | Wyn Galbraith: | I'll see if Netflix has it. |
| [15:48] | Ciaran Laval: | Does anyone know why my group is ??? is it search related? |
| [15:48] | Rob Linden: | not sure what you mean Saijanai |
| [15:49] | Al Sonic: | Eh, for the sculpts to full 'preview the right way', there'd have to be about 4 sculpted prim preview options. |
| [15:49] | Saijanai Kuhn: | The example for how to submit a patch inolves a program called cygwin I think. Is that Windows only, or a windows port of a UNix app? |
| [15:49] | Ciaran Laval: | It happens out of the region though Torley but I'll look at it properly |
| [15:49] | Torley Tester: | Hmmm in the Release Notes for 1.18.3, what are these "CID"-numbers? Haven't seen them before. |
| [15:49] | Wyn Galbraith: | Bye bye |
| [15:49] | Iridium Linden: | K, I'm off. See everyone Friday. |
| [15:50] | Torley Tester: | *checks* Oh, looks like internal issues Tofu worked on? |
| [15:50] | Rosen Janus: | Well, my sculpt map always showed a line that was just.. it was like a sculpt with a path cut |
| [15:50] | rubbertoy Hax: | well wishes, and i hpe You all trust third party companies to hand them over your personal data.... *sighs* i wont..... |
| [15:50] | Saijanai Kuhn: | that's a non-stched planer sculpty I think... |
| [15:50] | Al Sonic: | Yeah. 'cause it was previewing under 'plane' mode instead of 'sphere'. |
| [15:50] | Torley Tester hushes and does Issue Tracker resolution passed, *smiles at "Fixed Internally" turning into "Fixed"* | |
| [15:50] | Daedalus Young: | sculpted prim previews as sculpt_type_plane |
| [15:51] | Daedalus Young: | a normal sculpty will fill up the line and the poles |
| [15:51] | Wyn Galbraith just decides to melt to the floor in a puddle of green. "Too hot to think." | |
| [15:51] | Rosen Janus: | By the way, Bridie, nice music. ^^ |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | Well, we're winding down on my office hours --- |
| [15:51] | Wyn Galbraith: | Is that Irish? |
| [15:51] | Bridie Linden: | Yes, Wyn! :) |
| [15:51] | Al Sonic: | Mhmm. |
| [15:51] | Rosen Janus: | Celtic. |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | Love it. |
| [15:52] | Rosen Janus: | Well, Celtic/Irish. Same thing. XD |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden: | We'll put our Linden heads together and figure out what makes sense for next week's triage - suggestions welcome |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith usually doen't have music on. | |
| [15:52] | Bridie Linden: | (Bridie is an old fashioned traditional Irish name...) |
| [15:52] | Rosen Janus: | I'd love to hear Jeff Danna's "Blood of Cu Chulainn. X3 Lol |
| [15:52] | Al Sonic: | Ah. |
| [15:52] | Wyn Galbraith: | I think choosing something that has a lot of issues might be good. |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | In the mean time, please try out the RC viewer and spread the word. Report and issues in PJIRA of course... |
| [15:53] | Daedalus Young: | misc-misc has a lot of issues :P |
| [15:53] | Ciaran Laval: | Bridie do you have a link to the agenda on the wiki or do you present it when you start the meeting? Sorry it's the first time I've been to one of your meetings |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | We really appreciate your participation and hope that the RC process will help everyone. |
| [15:53] | Daedalus Young: | Ciaran, see https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage |
| [15:53] | Bridie Linden: | Thx Daed! |
| [15:54] | Daedalus Young: | yw Bridie :) |
| [15:54] | Rosen Janus: | Oh, and Torley, I might need to talk to you about something after the meeting since it might take a while. |
| [15:54] | Ciaran Laval: | Cheers Daedalus |
| [15:54] | Saijanai Kuhn: | AH, OK. Misread the wiki on submissions. |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | Rosen, what did you wanna talk about? |
| [15:54] | Rosen Janus: | Or whoever knows about the SL Risk API. =/ |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | I'm heading in a bit to Prospero's Office Hour... in 5 min. |
| [15:54] | Bridie Linden: | I'm going to head out too -- thx again all! |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | Hm, sorry, I don't know about the SL Risk API much -- that would be something to ask Support's billing expertise. |
| [15:54] | Torley Tester: | Have a good one Bridie! |
| [15:54] | Daedalus Young: | thanks you too |
| [15:55] | Rosen Janus: | o.O But I can't submit a ticket like that with a basic account, can't I? |