User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2007-08-03

6 AM

Torley Linden: Hello!
Evangeline Wind: hi clover :-)
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hio torley ^-^
Clover Mills: hello
Torley Linden: Oh look who's here already!
Daedalus Young: you can share, but not move over
Angsty Rossini: i thik tey're all scrited
Torley Linden: G'day!
Glyph Graves: Hi Clover
Daedalus Young: hi Torley
Evangeline Wind: ok
Wolfie Rankin: my sit pose looks like someone starched my undies
Angsty Rossini: Hi Clover
Tateru Nino: G'day, Torl.
Wolfie Rankin: Hello
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Angsty Rossini: No seats left Toley :)
Amon26 Yellowjacket: we ate all your seats, most of them that is
Torley Linden: Haha I seem to have gotten lucky and gotten one.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: they tasted of plastic and watermelon
Angsty Rossini: "special chair"
Torley Linden: It's funny this is like a perma-ring... good to see you all!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: likewise :-D
Wolfie Rankin: you too
Evangeline Wind: ty you too :-)
Daedalus Young: Torley, I had much fun watching your Tour de Telehub on Snapzilla
Torley Linden: So what's new and exciting?
Torley Linden: Oh thanks, Daedalus, actually I just saw what you were starting there... I remember doing that Tour!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ooh, you remember the bag things i was telling you about?
Wolfie Rankin: You ok, Saij?
Torley Linden: Yes Amon26!
Saijanai Kuhn: feeling a ittle bloated actualy
Amon26 Yellowjacket: well, i know you cant do RL fanmail, but i decided to do something
Daedalus Young: especially the one in Abbotts is fun: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=35089
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i made a SL watermelon bag for you ^-^
Torley Linden: *checks it out*
Torley Linden: Awwwe!
Daedalus Young: "The skies are beautiful, aren't they?"
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i know it'll probably conflict w/ the wings, but here you are ^,^
Torley Linden: You have a very good and true point of capturing those "classic clouds".
Torley Linden: Why thanx Amon!
Torley Linden: Much appreciated.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: y/w ^,^
Amon26 Yellowjacket: it even has number 4! on it
Torley Linden: When I took that picture at Abbotts, I didn't know what would be coming... that was almost 2 years ago.
Angsty Rossini: Well, I'm still not sure about Voice... do I use it or not??????
Daedalus Young: hi Laetizia
Laetizia Coronet: hi all
Torley Linden: Angsty, it's completely optional. Use it as you feel comfortable.
Wolfie Rankin: fish heads, fish heads, rolly polly fish heads :)
Evangeline Wind: hi :-)
Daedalus Young: yes of course
Saijanai Kuhn: I don't see any dots above anytone. Nowone esle is using it?
Angsty Rossini: I know, I want the latest, but my "real" voice....????
Laetizia Coronet: suffering from angst I guess?
Torley Linden: I'm only on text chat right now.
Angsty Rossini: LOL
Torley Linden: Haha that fish heads song, where does that come from?
Torley Linden: I've definitely heard it before.
Glyph Graves: im using the nichlaz view so no voice
Amon26 Yellowjacket: fish heads?
Tateru Nino: Actually, I found I was getting less than 1fps with voice. Disabling it didn't help - but renaming SLVoice.exe worked, and my frame rates went back to normal.
Wolfie Rankin: I dislike my voice and won't torture anyone by making them hear it
Evangeline Wind: awww wolfie you have a great voice :)
Saijanai Kuhn: one thinkg I notice right now is that voice is constantly connecting over and over and over and over...
Torley Linden: Tateru: Hm, I wonder why that worked?
Laetizia Coronet: I don't think Laetizia should have a baritone anyway :)
Saijanai Kuhn: which might affect your framerate
Torley Linden: I didn't use to like my RL voice... then I kept speaking.
Wolfie Rankin: I was a radio DJ, really
Amon26 Yellowjacket: didnt the guy who did "theyre coming to take me away ha ha" do the fish-heads song?
Tateru Nino: The separate voice process was chewing up some system resource like crazy. Not memory and not CPU time, but it was slowing the viewer to a crawl.
Laetizia Coronet: You have a very warm and friendly voice Torley
Torley Linden: Saijanai BTW that's a great fish hat.
Torley Linden: Thanks Laetizia!
Torley Linden: Amon26: Napoleon whatever?
Daedalus Young: ah cool, I did some radio DJing too :)
Amon26 Yellowjacket: yeah i think so
Tateru Nino: No, Fish Heads was Barnes and Barnes, the other one was Napolean XIV.
Angsty Rossini: But I can have this really cool and funky AV, then my nasally voice will ruin my "coolness" :)
Laetizia Coronet: I did radio ads
Saijanai Kuhn: thought you might like it. Freebie from the guy wh does Sculptypaint
ZHAO-II - Vivi: Couldn't find animation hd_Landing_2
Wolfie Rankin: it's a lot of fun, radio
ZHAO-II - Vivi: Couldn't find animation hd_Landing_2
Amon26 Yellowjacket: aaaah oik!
ZHAO-II - Vivi: Couldn't find animation hd_Landing_2
Torley Linden: Oooh I like Sculptypaint, it's so easy to get into.
Saijanai Kuhn: One of hte things I'd like to see is a pllug-in API for voice moudlators
Amon26 Yellowjacket: sculptypaint is a pretty neet thing to use
Saijanai Kuhn: modulators
Torley Linden: Daedalus that's a great Train Tour you've got going on...
Wolfie Rankin: to sound like a Dalek?
Daedalus Young: thanks
Torley Linden: EXTERMINATE... EXTERMINATE!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hahaha
Daedalus Young: I think I've covered them all now
Saijanai Kuhn: Darth Torley
Torley Linden: I haven't seen anyone document all the train stations yet, so consider yourself a pioneer.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i want to be Amon26 Hawking ^-^
Torley Linden: I love compilations.
Glyph Graves: will be when its finnished .Im having a lot of fun using sculptypaint
Daedalus Young: yaay
Daedalus Young: :)
Torley Linden: 26 train stations eh?
Amon26 Yellowjacket: 26 train stations?
Saijanai Kuhn: Anyone ever visit Gluphilas?
Laetizia Coronet: I was looking for a Valkyrie wav, anyone?
Wolfie Rankin: no
Torley Linden: Previously Saijanai... it's been awhile.
Daedalus Young: no, less, I also did ANWR and Hobo Infohub and a sort of train museum
Torley Linden: BTW, for anyone who wants to see, I'm looking at http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/ViewAlbum.aspx?id=1094
Tateru Nino: Anyway, whatever it was with the slvoice.exe, I spoke to a bunch of people with the same problem, and told them how to disable it to fix things.
Vivienne Graves: as in Ride of the?
Saijanai Kuhn: Gluphisla
Torley Linden: What's a Valkyrie wav? Wagner music?
Laetizia Coronet: yes
Torley Linden: Daedalus: Ahh "sort of".. hehe.
Daedalus Young: heh yes
Wolfie Rankin: ahh would be easy to make if you could come by an mp3
Laetizia Coronet: the famous Apocalypse Now part
Torley Linden: Tat: Cool, I should keep that in mind, hmm... that sounds like it should be in our Knowledge Base for others who have trouble.
Torley Linden: Hahaha laetizia.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: oo, i know LL is hard at work getting windlight up and going, but does the idea of ragdoll physics still come around?
Tateru Nino: I published it in the daily wrap for yesterday so it would be out there, at least.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i'd like to see ragdoll hill races and stuff in SL :-D hehe
Torley Linden: Amon26: Havok-4 allows for that but I don't know if it will be included in initial release... but yes, that is still being worked on.
Torley Linden: We have multiple project teams at Linden Lab...
Amon26 Yellowjacket: wooo ^_^
Amon26 Yellowjacket: that'll be fun
Saijanai Kuhn: Gluphisla...anyone?
Torley Linden: Andrew and the folks at Havok are doing Havok... part of the major challenge is to improve on things yet retain compatibility with older behavior.
Laetizia Coronet: what is that Sai?
Wolfie Rankin: No Sai, not yet, any good?
Saijanai Kuhn: tpe it into your map. It's worth just looking at the map
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ooh, yeah im sure that ha to be a pain in the neck for them
Glyph Graves: looking forward to that ...what sort of changes can we expect with havok 4
Tateru Nino expects no visible changes in the first release or two of Havok4.
Torley Linden: The obfuscated linking formula used when building may not be so intrusive.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i talked a little bit to runitai linden yesterday, just to ask how things were going
Wolfie Rankin: hey, what happened?
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Evangeline Wind: how did you get over there wolfie?
Wolfie Rankin: dunno
Evangeline Wind: wow
Torley Linden: Ultimately one of the benefits of Havok should be greater resilience against server-side lag (and subsequent crashes) caused by lots of physics.
Angsty Rossini: you sat in ther Eject chair Wolfie )
Wolfie Rankin: could be
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ahh, so the physics would be a little more clientside?
Glyph Graves: nice .... and course the next q is how is mono going
Saijanai Kuhn: no, just more sophisticated
Wolfie Rankin: I wonder if Torley has one of those trap doors here for people he doesn't like ;)
Torley Linden: Amon26: No, the server calculations are improved.
Torley Linden: Trap doors? Hehe.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ooo i see
Laetizia Coronet: lol
Wolfie Rankin: down the chute
Glyph Graves: *smile smaybe my flexi physical will be more reliable
Torley Linden: Mono, not sure of that project. That's something Babbage is still on (he's persisting).
Torley Linden: Sidewinder Linden is Program Manager on Havok so I had a chat with him the other day.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ooo
Saijanai Kuhn: It's hard to find any informatio on Havok 4.x... There's a pdf on their webpage that gives you an idea of what it can do though
Laetizia Coronet: Torley I have no headset yet - if I enable voice, will I at least hear others?
Torley Linden: We've been working closely with the actual Havok team to debug and fix stuff.
Tateru Nino: Havok 1 was pretty rudimentary, and none of the Havok engines are designed for the sorts of things we ask for them to do in SL.
Torley Linden: Laetizia: If you have speakers, yes, you should.
Saijanai Kuhn: yes. Please do. See if you log into voice every few seconds here. I think it is a bug
Laetizia Coronet: ok thanks, good to know for Help Island duty
Glyph Graves: is there a time line ...rogh as it may be ?
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i remember giggling and clapping my hands the first time i saw ragdolls working. i think it was in an unreal game
Torley Linden: =)
Torley Linden: Hahaha in Deus Ex: Invisible War I used to play with ragdolls a lot.
Saijanai Kuhn: mono is within 2 months, according to zero
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe i never got to play deus ex, but i ehard lots of good stuff
Saijanai Kuhn: his office hours lecture next week is about mono
Torley Linden: Ragdoll bodies are a big concern when it comes to rating "realistic violence" in games, on a side note.
Torley Linden: Saijanai: Kewl, thanks.
Daedalus Young: oh, thanks for that tip, Sai
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hmm thats interesting! so ragdolls in a game would actually bring the rating up a little?
Glyph Graves: hmmm tricky with everything else that sgoing on
Saijanai Kuhn: maybe a sim owner could have a realistic pysics/ragdoll setting
Tateru Nino: We don't qualify for an ESRB rating, because we have user-generated content.
Torley Linden: Amon26: Possibly, depending on context.
Torley Linden: But yes, as Tat said...
Torley Linden: But in games in general, people get concerned when they see a dead body that can be thrown around.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i remember playing a xbox game called gears of war where the eaths were pretty graphic
Torley Linden: I know on YouTube there are many videos of people doing that, like taking ragdoll bodies on tour...
Amon26 Yellowjacket: erm deaths that is
Torley Linden: and carrying them across whole stages.
Saijanai Kuhn /cries over Raggity Andy
Angsty Rossini: Cool!
Saijanai Kuhn: and R. Ann
Wolfie Rankin: Now that's a bad case of Anorexia
Torley Linden: Deus Ex: Invisible War wasn't as good as the first one, but it had charming atmosphere.
Tree Kyomoon: hello folks
Wolfie Rankin: Hi
Daedalus Young: hi Tree
Laetizia Coronet: hi Tree
Angsty Rossini: Hi Tree
Evangeline Wind: hi
Glyph Graves: hey Tree
Torley Linden: I went to seek on other cyberpunk pastures after that, then found Second Life... :)
Torley Linden: Hiya Tree!
Wolfie Rankin: mmmm BONES!
Tree Kyomoon excited to finally make torleys office hours
Torley Linden: w00t w00t!
Wolfie Rankin: I like bones :)
Torley Linden: Glad you could make it, and welcome.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i remember playing this cute but sadistic freebie game called porasturvat, where all you did is throw a little manequin man down a flight of steps
Laetizia Coronet: Tree should go to Brenner, he'd fit right in
Saijanai Kuhn watches the bones dance with excitement
Amon26 Yellowjacket: and he'd go "eef, ohh, ach" every time he hit a step
Wolfie Rankin: there's a guy who has a dinosaur skeleton as an avatar
Saijanai Kuhn edges away from Anon26...
Wolfie Rankin: and one bone is wooden
Laetizia Coronet: cool
Torley Linden: Hmmm Tree I hardly see your avatar... it's supposed to be a skeleton?
Daedalus Young: Madcow?
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe aw saijanai, it was just a manequin
Torley Linden: I see the invisiprims...
Torley Linden: I am wondering if this is a rendering bug in the viewer I'm using.
Laetizia Coronet: wooden bone - mesozoic prosthesis
Tree Kyomoon: /takes a while to rez, thers like 500 prims or something
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hmm, i have a new quote. "it was just a manequin"
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Saijanai Kuhn notes that some of his best fraeinds are mminquins
Saijanai Kuhn: Hey Qarl!
Torley Linden: Pardon, out of seats here.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: aw ok, from that standpoint i apologize
Tateru Nino: I want a rag doll, avatar meshie object I can drag around SL. I shall call it "Safety Man".
Entering god mode, level 200
Orzga Aabye: still rezzing .. hope i didn't steal a seat
Amon26 Yellowjacket: wee safety man! make him dance!
Saijanai Kuhn: and there's a fine line between "mannequin" and "skeleton"
Torley Linden: I like Qarl's avatars...
Amon26 Yellowjacket: well i maen, you shouldnt make him dance.. he can dance if he wants to.
Torley Linden: he's so creative.
Wolfie Rankin: Fossil Spectre is the dinosaur fella
Angsty Rossini: Hmmm, Crach Test Dummy AV.....
Laetizia Coronet: a drash test dummy, I'd like that
Torley Linden: His mannequins remind me of art dolls, the ones you pose for figure drawing.
Torley Linden: I haven't seen a crash test dummy av yet... I remember the TV show tho. ;)
Saijanai Kuhn: yep. Also used for animation poses
Amon26 Yellowjacket: oo like the wood ones?
Wolfie Rankin: I'd like a coneheads avatar
Amon26 Yellowjacket: anyone here own any stikfas figures?
Laetizia Coronet: I tried to do one as a skin but it doesn't really wor on the joins
Tree Kyomoon: so no voice-ies here?
Wolfie Rankin: I'd be Beldar and Eva could be Prymat
Laetizia Coronet: *work
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Torley Linden: Haha Coneheads... I used to watch that on SNL a lot...
Saijanai Kuhn: I am
Tateru Nino: "Safety Man" is an RL product. A dummy that women can put in their cars to make it look like they are accompanied.
Evangeline Wind: :-) that would be fun
Saijanai Kuhn: or maybe not
Torley Linden: (Sorry I can't reply to IMs right now, lots going on here!)
Vivienne Graves: a marionette av would be fun...witrh strings, if possible
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe chat bamboozlement
Saijanai Kuhn: huh. I'm considered inactive here
Torley Linden: Tat, that's an interesting take, I haven't heard of that. I wonder what the customer testimonials are like?
Laetizia Coronet: Tat - I use an inflatable woman for that :P
Wolfie Rankin: if he gets a puncture, can you call the auto club?
Torley Linden: :O
Amon26 Yellowjacket: you could call the michelin man
Orzga Aabye: lol
Angsty Rossini: not touching that one!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: did i spell that right?
Saijanai Kuhn: lost voice connection
Evangeline Wind: isnt that where women sit them in the car with them so it looks like theyre not alone?
Torley Linden: Michelin Man is considered one of the world's most recognizable mascots.
Torley Linden: I reckon he's got slimmer over the years.
Laetizia Coronet: yes Tor, :0 is about the expression she has
Orzga Aabye: the Oz books are a good source for AV's..
Amon26 Yellowjacket: serriously?! wiggy!
Wolfie Rankin: "what's the problem ma'am... " "My man is losing gas" *Pfftt*
Torley Linden: Michelin Man and Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man are buds, prolly.
Tree Kyomoon: so is this where we can share our cool new builds?
Amon26 Yellowjacket: that wouldnt suprise me
Saijanai Kuhn wants a Stay Puft Marshmellow Man avatar
Amon26 Yellowjacket: either that or arch rivals
Saijanai Kuhn: to scle
Saijanai Kuhn: scale
Wolfie Rankin: stay-puft would be awesome
Wolfie Rankin: full sized
Torley Linden: Last Stay-Puft av I saw was long ago...
Wolfie Rankin: want one
Torley Linden: but I have seen 'em.
Laetizia Coronet: yes wth physics so I can kick him around
Amon26 Yellowjacket: OHH, there needs to be a CG shdowdown between the staypuft marshmallow man and Michelin man
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ...i keep butchering that name..
Torley Linden: You totally gotta crank up the Ghostbusters song when walking through the city!
Wolfie Rankin: yes
Torley Linden: Amon26: Haha...
Saijanai Kuhn: either that or normal sized with a couple of itty bitty ghostbuster pets
Amon26 Yellowjacket: it would be like that samus vs. master chief video
Torley Linden: I LIKED THAT ONE LOTS!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: wasnt it awesome!?
Torley Linden: That one was incredible... "Haloid"...
Torley Linden: I wasn't expecting much out of it, but it was great, as a fan production.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: (i peed my pants a little at it)
Torley Linden: The surprise ending was even funnier.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe
Amon26 Yellowjacket: yeah, but some halo fanboys were kind of cranky at the end
Amon26 Yellowjacket: oh well
Saijanai Kuhn: I keep losing voice. Anyone else have theat problem?
Torley Linden: It's like 10 min. but worth watching -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=Md-QkCquOHE
Torley Linden: Sai: Sorry I can't confirm as I'm not on Voice viewer right now, later on will check.
Laetizia Coronet: Sai try a menthol :P
Tree Kyomoon: everyones voice dots are grey
Tree Kyomoon: for me
Wolfie Rankin: I'd better not, I have 15% of my internet left before they shape me :P
Amon26 Yellowjacket: torley do you play any plane games much?
Angsty Rossini: already Wolfie!!
Saijanai Kuhn: I don't see any dotsw at all except mine and it keeps faiding
Wolfie Rankin: yep
Torley Linden: Hmmm Tree I still don't see your av. Who made your av?
Wolfie Rankin: they shape me down to 64k
Saijanai Kuhn: had this problem last night too
Angsty Rossini: sheesh - WAHt are you downloading??
Laetizia Coronet: These days Torley is immersed in Kaneva mostly lol
Torley Linden: Amon26: I haven't in awhile but I used to enjoy flight simulators casually.
Saijanai Kuhn: anyone on a Mac with voice?
Tree Kyomoon: I made my av, I have a whole city of skeletons to keep me company
Torley Linden: Haha.
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Daedalus Young: I'm on a Mac, but no Voice
Torley Linden: I like checking out new worlds.
Angsty Rossini: on a Mac, am still considering Voice
Torley Linden: Tree: Ohhh! Sadly I wish I could see it. :(
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i ran into a neat one an old friend of mine is designing, it has this retro-nouveau look to it
Glyph Graves: haha I made one with breathing lungs and a beating heart
Wolfie Rankin: been to eragon? it's simple, but it's home
Amon26 Yellowjacket: its all flat shaded but a little impressive
Laetizia Coronet: I see it, it works like high heel shoes, right Tree?
Glyph Graves: wher should put the two together
Amon26 Yellowjacket: www.ysflight.com
Saijanai Kuhn: Torley did you ever check out the features of Quartz Cmposer?
Torley Linden: I'm really impressed with some of the virtual airlines people setup... so much discipline to do that kind of roleplay.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe oh the microsoft flight simulator thing?
Torley Linden: Saijanai: I saw the spec list but haven't tried it out. Looks like some pretty powerful VJ tools were made with it, altho I look for easy-to-use ones.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: i think one of my friends does that
Saijanai Kuhn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8kb6ubD-CU
Amon26 Yellowjacket: yeah the ysflight program is pretty simplistic
Torley Linden: http://www.vacanada.org/
Lyndsey Forager: I know its not fancy dress, but today i've come here as ruth lol
Torley Linden: I need an automatic SL URL catcher.
Saijanai Kuhn: Powerful yes, but easier than ANY other package outther to use
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe
Saijanai Kuhn: MUCH MUCH easier
Saijanai Kuhn: you'll cry easier
Torley Linden: Hmm... but doesn't run on Windows too right?
Torley Linden: Since it's Mac native?
Torley Linden: Haha "cry easier".
Amon26 Yellowjacket: youre talking about ysflight?
Saijanai Kuhn: look at my little video.
Torley Linden: I'm mostly on a PC, sometimes on a Mac...
Torley Linden: I like those cubes. :)
Torley Linden: Hypnotic, I like seeing visuals for VJ shows.
Tree Kyomoon has a mac mini, its fun!
Saijanai Kuhn: That's me doing the charlie chaplain boogety boogety boogety onto the cubes and then the cubes mapped onto cubes
Torley Linden: Someone should cut up 10,000 SL snapshots and mini-clips and dice it up into some madcap onslaught of electric vision!
Torley Linden: *looks closely*
Amon26 Yellowjacket: woooohh, that would be a mind-explosion
Torley Linden: Whoa, I didn't know that was you dancing on the inner cubes.
Wolfie Rankin: anyone ever seen a Max Headroom avatar?
Laetizia Coronet: Torley I kow just the Linden to do that :)
Saijanai Kuhn: its a point and cllick interface
Torley Linden: Anyone familiar with Chris Cunningham? That's the kind of director I'm talking about.
Torley Linden: Laetizia: :D
Torley Linden: Max Headroom, I'm a big fan of.
Saijanai Kuhn: drag from output a to input b
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ooo yeah, chris cunningham is neet
Torley Linden: I haven't seen an av for him but I have seen some prim-head that were kinda close.
Laetizia Coronet: Wolfie that would be cool, very old skool
Wolfie Rankin: me too yeah, anything 80s
Amon26 Yellowjacket: some of his stuff is a little creepy tho
Tree Kyomoon: max is canadian!
Torley Linden: Yeah, Cunningham gets into really dark visuals sometimes.
Torley Linden: This one's a PSP ad tho! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5F8q-F3Yo
Amon26 Yellowjacket: didnt he do rubber johnny?
Saijanai Kuhn: he was on Eureka for a while. Don't know if he is still
Torley Linden: He did.
Daichi Delcon head is blowing up of all the info *afk*
Torley Linden: With his pal the Aphex Twin, Richard D. James.
Wolfie Rankin: I am after someone who could build me a pet shop boys avatar [just one]
Torley Linden: Haha Wolfie, you like PSB a lot?
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe yeah that was the one that made me actually get really uncomfortable when i saw it for the first time
Torley Linden: I must say I'm a fan, particularly of songs like "Flamboyant".
Torley Linden: Rubber Johnny was circulated as a net urban legend, said to be a real abused person.
Wolfie Rankin: see the video "I don't know what you want but I can't give it anymore" like that
Laetizia Coronet runs away when she hears 80s electropop
Torley Linden: Of course it is not. I hope it is not.
Torley Linden: It's funny how the PSB actually call their music "Disco"!
Wolfie Rankin: yes
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ever see the music video "weapon of choice"?
Torley Linden: I like the funny astronaut-esque costumes from "Go West".
Wolfie Rankin: yes
Lyndsey Forager: i love 80's music and stuff - but i would never want the frizzy hair again!
Torley Linden: Yes, I'm a big Christopher Walken fan.
Torley Linden: I like how he enunciates.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe, thats a good one ^-^
Torley Linden: He puts pauses in all the right places.
Lyndsey Forager: and he can dance
Laetizia Coronet: Torley have you seen the Avatarian sim?
Wolfie Rankin: he's got a cooking video on one of the youtubey places
Laetizia Coronet: they have space suits and a lunar rover
Orzga Aabye: chris walkin is incredible
Laetizia Coronet: just the ticket for you
Torley Linden: Laetizia: I have seen places labeled "Avatarian" but not a region named "Avatarian".
Torley Linden: Where is that?
Torley Linden: Haha I like that cooking video!
Amon26 Yellowjacket: wooh, ok i'm starting to conk-out peoples... i think im gona go get some snoozies
Torley Linden: Christopher Walken goes, "I'm a good cook..."
Laetizia Coronet: not sure if ut's a region, I'll send you a landmark
Torley Linden: in another vid.
Torley Linden: Amon26: OK have a good sleep! Good to see ya.
Amon26 Yellowjacket: likewise! hope you can find a use for the back pack
Amon26 Yellowjacket: ^-^
Angsty Rossini: g'nght Amon26
Amon26 Yellowjacket: gnite angsty
Angsty Rossini: I'm yawning too
Amon26 Yellowjacket: hehe
Tree Kyomoon waves to taturo
Amon26 Yellowjacket: taa taa everyone
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Orzga Aabye: bye yellow
Torley Linden: Tree, if it's not too much trouble and you're OK with it, could you please send me a copy of your av? I'm concerned I don't see the skeleton, and should show this to the developers to fix the rendering bug that seems to have been introduced.
Wolfie Rankin: just put on my 80s t-shirt
Saijanai Kuhn heaves a sigh of relief for all his manniquin buddies
Glyph Graves: you on windlight now torley?
Tree Kyomoon: certainly
Laetizia Coronet: Torley try looking at my heels, that should be the same problem
Torley Linden: Glyph: Yes.
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Hmmm *checks*
Glyph Graves: mmmmm
Saijanai Kuhn: SOmetimes I see a transparent outline aroudn Tree, but not here
Wolfie Rankin: my belly button is cold
Orzga Aabye: this concerns invisiprims?
Torley Linden: Thanks Tree!
Laetizia Coronet: yes
Torley Linden: Hmm... I see Laetizia's heels...
Orzga Aabye: the code that does that is strange .. w/ repeated calls to settexture
Saijanai Kuhn: wait a tinal bit of one
Torley Linden: I don't see something amiss there.
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Angsty Rossini: I can't see any invisprims for Tree, but I can for Lyndsey's shoes
Laetizia Coronet: I see Tree well, just the background is a bit borked
Lyndsey Forager: you wonlt see my heald through my big ruth feet
Glyph Graves: waiting to see my snails in windlight
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: Ooh snails? I like snails.
Tree Kyomoon: yes the invisiprims dont render perfectly
Glyph Graves: smiles gave you one the other day
Lyndsey Forager: have you eaten snails?
Glyph Graves: heres anothe
Wolfie Rankin: I was given some snails which crawl around the entire sim
Angsty Rossini: I like the term "borked" learnt is here in SL
Torley Linden: Land snail!
Orzga Aabye: just no more turtles please!
Tree Kyomoon: would be good to fix that for us...less than substantial types
Saijanai Kuhn: you need a watermellon color scheme setting for you office sky, Torley
Glyph Graves: not in your colourse though
Laetizia Coronet: ANgsty, me too :)
Torley Linden: Saijanai: I crafted some earlier, that is a fine idea.
Angsty Rossini: Used it at work today - "that code is borked"
Laetizia Coronet: heh
Torley Linden: Yeah, invisiprims have bugged our WindLight guys, I know they found it utterly unnatural but a crafty hack... so we want to find a way to do things better without relying on that kludge.
Laetizia Coronet: ask them to rez a new code :P
Wolfie Rankin: "stuffed" is good for that too
Torley Linden: BigPapi Linden in particular was interested, I know.
Tateru Nino: I first encountered 'borked' in the mid-1980's, more or less.
Glyph Graves: yes
Tateru Nino: It's a very convenient word.
Laetizia Coronet: kludge is nice too
Torley Linden: Borked, haha... not to be confused with "Bjorked" with is entirely different subject matter.
Torley Linden: I like PEBCAK!
Tree Kyomoon: bork bork bork
Saijanai Kuhn: goes back to Rober Bork, does it not? Candidate for Supreme Court...
Laetizia Coronet: pabcak? Sounds Polish
Torley Linden: Swedish Chef? Now there's a good candidate for an av.
Glyph Graves: feel free to take possesion of it and play with it
Lyndsey Forager: lol, bjorkes makes you sing squeaky and put wierdness in your hair
Torley Linden: PEBCAK = Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.
Tateru Nino: I generally use 'carbon based bug' instead of PEBKAC.
Torley Linden: Haha Tat!
Laetizia Coronet: lol Torley :D
Tree Kyomoon: LOL
Laetizia Coronet: that's good as well lol
Torley Linden: Allegedly "OK" buttons are called that because in the early days of computing, they were "DoIt"... but people misread that as "Dolt", as in "You stupid dolt".
Torley Linden: That's an apocryphal tale...
Tree Kyomoon: Laughing out loud, am i
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Saijanai Kuhn watches the little connected to voice chat message scroll past yet again
Torley Linden: I'll check later with our Voice Team for known issues with that thus far...
Laetizia Coronet: I like the American flair for acronyms like pebcak or snafu
Angsty Rossini: See Saijanai, that's why I'm not sure I want to try Voice yet....
Lyndsey Forager: i always find it odd you have engaged and vacant of an office door - you might not be there but your not vacant
Torley Linden: Haha, snafu cracks me up, so does FUBAR.
Laetizia Coronet: yes!
Orzga Aabye: is snafu an acronyms?
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: How do you mean? :)
Evangeline Wind: hi simon :)
Saijanai Kuhn: actually FUBAR might not mean quite what everyone says it does
Tree Kyomoon likes TWAIN
Simon Kline: hi all
Torley Linden: I might as well cry out "BOB SAGET!"
Vivienne Graves: Situation Normal, All F***ed Up
Angsty Rossini: Anyone else use: "YFIYFI"
Laetizia Coronet: Orzga, Situation Normal, All F**** Up
Torley Linden: Sai: What's it really mean? :O
Torley Linden: YTMND
Lyndsey Forager: like - vacant upstairs, not much between your ears
Wolfie Rankin: almost looks like Yiffy
Orzga Aabye: thanks .. i remember now ..
Saijanai Kuhn: Its from the German, I believe
Wolfie Rankin: Yiffy! :D
Laetizia Coronet: Fubar is not German
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Ahhh.
Angsty Rossini: "You F**d it, You Fix It"
Torley Linden: "Meet Colonel Fubar and General Awol."
Orzga Aabye: i did get F00 errors .. in my youth
Torley Linden: Angsty: Hahaha.
Torley Linden: "Foo" is another funny placeholder word.
Orzga Aabye: and i remember people saying "oh foo"
Tateru Nino: So far we've found a lot of frequent disconnects in voice in large groups (more than 8) and glitches where the voice system shows someone speaking who is not.
Angsty Rossini: coders Vs testers wars today!
Wolfie Rankin: "Hello General, I'd like to see your Privates"
Daedalus Young: FUBAR may have been influenced by the German word furchtbar, meaning terrible.
Daedalus Young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubar
Torley Linden: Tat: Hmmm...
Tree Kyomoon: well, it aint working here
Torley Linden: Wolfie: Haha!
Laetizia Coronet: could be Daedalus
Torley Linden: "Terrible spelling of a German word!"
Torley Linden: HAW HAW.
Angsty Rossini: Hey Simon
Lyndsey Forager: lol, like the imaguinary characters in captain pugwash
Melanie774 Kidd: haha
Tateru Nino: In those cases, Torley, someone actually _is_ speaking, but it shows the wrong person.
Saijanai Kuhn: German word furchtbar
Angsty Rossini: (bout time)
Saijanai Kuhn: mening terrible
Torley Linden: Good gosh, on that FUBAR page there sure are a lot of acronyms below...
Simon Kline: hi ang :D.. sorry public transport in sl kept driving into the ground on the way here so i'm a bit late
Saijanai Kuhn: morphed into fubar...
Laetizia Coronet: lol
Torley Linden: Heyhey! No worries...
Torley Linden: vehicles in SL can be like that.
Wolfie Rankin: we have this german tv show here, inspector rex, about a cop and his police dog... and we learn how to swear in german from that
Angsty Rossini: should have used your bike
Laetizia Coronet: to solve that problem, they are building subways - they can't sink into the ground cuz they already are
Torley Linden: Haha, Inspector Rex? Is it a show meant for adults?
Angsty Rossini: Defionitely!
Wolfie Rankin: yeah, kinda
Torley Linden: I'd like to see a whole underground subway city of sorts in SL... I've seen some sewers before...
Angsty Rossini: Don't let the dog fool you
Wolfie Rankin: "kommisar rex" officially
Laetizia Coronet: it is the lamest police show ever
Tree Kyomoon: Torley...I havea question....I have an island and its divided vertically in space , 5 levles 256x256 m each level, will that screw up windlight?
Lyndsey Forager: very different from inspector morse then
Simon Kline: lol ang
Torley Linden: Hahaha. "Lamest police show ever".
Daedalus Young: I've seen sewers too
Wolfie Rankin: oh it's nice
Torley Linden: Tree: Hmm, it shouldn't. Which island is it tho? I can take a look later to see if there are glitches...
Tree Kyomoon: TreeEstates IV
Laetizia Coronet: And that in the voice of that Simpsons guy, Comic Book Guy. Worst. Show. Ever.
Angsty Rossini: LOL
Torley Linden: Thanks Tree.
Angsty Rossini: I want Marge hair!!
Wolfie Rankin: I like Life on Mars, there's a cop show
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Lyndsey Forager: I saw the simpsons movice last weekend - i was crying laughing at it
Saijanai Kuhn: So did anyone loot at Gluphisla on the map?
Torley Linden: Apparently there's gonna be a Simpsons episode where CBG competes with a trival comic book store.
Laetizia Coronet: Angsty, the voice too?
Lyndsey Forager: LIFE ON MARS IS QUALITY!!!!!
Simon Kline: i want homer hair... oh he hasn't got much
Angsty Rossini: I already do the frustrated graon in RL :)
Torley Linden: Saijanai: Yes!
Angsty Rossini: *groan
Tree Kyomoon: /yesterday I heard a rumour that Google Earth was coming into second life...?
Saijanai Kuhn: someone spent a lot of time on the ground in that sim.
Saijanai Kuhn: its a farm
Torley Linden: I haven't heard that, Tree.
Torley Linden: If you have rumors, confirm source! :)
Lyndsey Forager: i heard that too tree
Tree Kyomoon: someone mentioned it at the intel meeting
Tree Kyomoon: said there was a big article on it
Lyndsey Forager: just a friend though
Tateru Nino: I've heard lots of rumours about google and SL, none of which came to anything.
Tree Kyomoon: in some business magazine...still tryin to dig it up
Torley Linden: Sai, yeah, I remember someone who put the face of Madonna on their region... like, out of the Vogue era I think.
Saijanai Kuhn: The map is so high up that nothing shows
Torley Linden: That's pretty apt Tateru.
Saijanai Kuhn: underneath
Orzga Aabye: how many severs does SL have? it must be a huge fam
Saijanai Kuhn: and the minimap is completely blank in that island
Wolfie Rankin: there's an island like a teddybear head near our sim
Saijanai Kuhn: its quite tripy. Someone maxed out their prim count
Torley Linden: Orzga: I've never seen the colo (they don't allow cameras) but dividing by the active region count it's safe to say we have hundreds.
Laetizia Coronet: oh the new IM window is nifty - but where is the button to close the channel?
Saijanai Kuhn: 12,000+ sims = 4,000 + servers
Evangeline Wind: is there some place we can see a map of thr whole of sl, like all the regions on one page?
Wolfie Rankin: ahh Berenschot
Torley Linden: Openspaces and such may be 16 on a server.
Angsty Rossini: a globe of SL regions
Torley Linden: Evangeline: Wish we did, currently, I don't know an easy way.
Evangeline Wind: yes
Evangeline Wind: aww ok
Torley Linden: I'm a map fan myself.
Wolfie Rankin: Get google to do it :)
Evangeline Wind: i get confused tryin to scroll aroundn and stuff
Saijanai Kuhn: could ask Simpon :Unket to do a collage. He's got a website that displays the map one sim at a time
Evangeline Wind: can you /
Lyndsey Forager: woops, did i miss something - is everyone on voice now?
Tateru Nino: The last count I heard was from Cory, and he said 8,000 I think, with an average of 300 new sims going online per month.
Wolfie Rankin: imagine a google earth for sl
Torley Linden: I'm not on voice.
Saijanai Kuhn: silicon Plunkett
Junnosuke Arai: 日本語わかりますか？
Orzga Aabye: 8k sims ?
Tateru Nino: (8,000 servers, that is)
Angsty Rossini: can they call it "earth"??
Orzga Aabye: i see .
Vivienne Graves didn't download the voice client
Torley Linden: We've got over 13,300 active regions right now.
Wolfie Rankin: not if God has a copyright on it ;)
Laetizia Coronet: earth is a trademark by God lol
Torley Linden: Holy moly servers.
Laetizia Coronet: exactly, I was too late
Torley Linden: Sorry Junnosuke, I wish I could speak Japanese!
Saijanai Kuhn: はい　わかります
Tree Kyomoon: you can torley
Torley Linden: Oh cool, you can Sai?
Tree Kyomoon: just use google translator
Tree Kyomoon: thats what I do
Torley Linden: I don't want to be embarrassed by a botched translation, it could lead to intergalactic war or something.
Torley Linden: ;)
Tree Kyomoon: lol
Wolfie Rankin: with Sony
Tree Kyomoon: well there is that
Laetizia Coronet: you'd love that, come on
Torley Linden: But true, it's better than nothing.
Saijanai Kuhn: mind you, Babbler has a bigger vocabulary than me
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Angsty Rossini: they've started for lesser reasons!
Torley Linden: That's so sad isn't it?
Tateru Nino: Junnoske: chotto nihongo wakarimasu. 皆は英語を話す
Laetizia Coronet sings 'THe chances of anything coing from Mars / Are a million to one they said..."
Orzga Aabye: that would be god for a language where every sentance was one word
Saijanai Kuhn: wars like that start for bigger reasons thn just the trigger
Wolfie Rankin: I just had a weird thought...again
Torley Linden: Laetizia: I like that song lots.
Tree Kyomoon: こんにちはTorley
Evangeline Wind: torley, is there anything that can be done bout all these griefers?
Angsty Rossini: Ang steps rght back from politics!!
Laetizia Coronet: Torley, that is really old skool electropop
Torley Linden: Evangeline: That is a really big and open-ended question... specific please?
Wolfie Rankin: wouldn't it be funny if a real life alien had a human avatar on sl and he was talking to an alien avatar just like him, who was human
Evangeline Wind: the anit furry ones
Evangeline Wind: anti*
Tree Kyomoon: I dont like those guys
Evangeline Wind: like ban by their IP so they cant keep getting alts
Tree Kyomoon: and im not even a furry
Angsty Rossini: pants Wolfie
Evangeline Wind: nor do i
Angsty Rossini: *PATS
Tateru Nino: They're only anti-furry because the furries care about their lifestyle. If it wasn't furries they'd find something someone else cares deeply about.
Wolfie Rankin: Pathetic Niggas
Wolfie Rankin: they need to be banned
Torley Linden: :\ We do ban by IP when appropriate but there are ways to get around that too... our Governance Team has been keeping track of them (and the collective abuse reports that come in).
Tree Kyomoon: good point taturo
Laetizia Coronet: Evangeline, keep sending abuse reports, and ask as many witnesses as you can to do it
Orzga Aabye: they can do a bot-net attack ..
Tateru Nino: Banning by IP doesn't really work so well. If I need a new IP I power-cycle my modem.
Evangeline Wind: ok thats what ive been doing
Daedalus Young: I heard they either did an attack on the grid last weekend or they are planning a gridwide attack
Lyndsey Forager: i must admit - i dont see the point in griefing - life is too short
Orzga Aabye: and eventually the IP ban would be /8
Wolfie Rankin: we've actually had a stalker on sl, eva and I
Tree Kyomoon: YES! covert data gathering, get them when they become sloppy!
Evangeline Wind: but its like theyre multiplying and how many alts is someone allowed anyhow?
Evangeline Wind: yes we do
Torley Linden: Yes, it's sad, given the advanced technology we have in this world, some people could put it to much better use.
Tateru Nino: They did attack the Grid last weekend, yes. They pull some stunt most weekends.
Evangeline Wind: yes
Orzga Aabye: is it sure that it's the PN's ..
Saijanai Kuhn: I have an alt parked on an orientatio island with the phrase "trying to help" in the group slot
Wolfie Rankin: last night too I was told
Saijanai Kuhn: tend to get mobbed sometimes
Daichi Delcon: g2g c ya all
Orzga Aabye: they aren't eloquent in their self-defense .. true ..
Laetizia Coronet: Orzga, no, could be gambling aficionados
Wolfie Rankin: night
Torley Linden: Night!
Angsty Rossini: night
Saijanai Kuhn: day
Saijanai Kuhn had to be deiffernt
Tateru Nino: There's maybe a couple dozen of the PN's in total. They're not really focused on SL - they grief other MMOs too.
Orzga Aabye: ah that is an interesting coicidence, laet..
Laetizia Coronet: the PN is overrated, we must not allow that name to become some sort of fear trigger
Wolfie Rankin: I was saying night to... the other guy
Evangeline Wind: no im not afraid, im just tired of them
Wolfie Rankin: yeah
Saijanai Kuhn: its day here.
Torley Linden: We also have internal projects to give Residents more control over banning and their own governance, more powerful tools -- what that means precisely I don't know at this point myself.
Wolfie Rankin: same here
Tateru Nino: But we squeal louder when they do, so we make a good target.
Laetizia Coronet: yeah me too Eva
Laetizia Coronet: pointless teenage pimple stuff
Evangeline Wind: yes
Evangeline Wind: thats another question i have
Wolfie Rankin: eva and I protect two sims at the moment
Torley Linden: It feels very conflicted, doesn't it -- on one hand you don't want to give undue attention to troublemakers, on the other you want people to be aware so they can prepare if there's going to be an attack, or at least, try to.
Saijanai Kuhn: Qarl hjas a private security force in Q
Evangeline Wind: if you suspect someone is underage in sl do you have to have proof they are underage or can you just report it?
Laetizia Coronet: heh - good cartoon that'd be - the Pointless Teenage Pimple Turtles :P
Wolfie Rankin: hahaha
Angsty Rossini: LOL
Saijanai Kuhn: Duuuude
Torley Linden: Evangeline: If they say "i'm 16" that's enough proof!
Evangeline Wind: thats true torley
Evangeline Wind: ok
Torley Linden: You should at least have self-admission from an underage Resident.
Evangeline Wind: ty
Wolfie Rankin: I wrote a limerick about PN
Torley Linden: You're welcome.
Melanie774 Kidd: you can just report it, i think...my friend had his acct suspended for about a week or so because someone claimed he was underage
Tateru Nino: What about the residents who have been suspended for an age-check with no admission of being underage in Chat or IM?
Lyndsey Forager: torley - i loved your pic of the robosapian at i woot
Vivienne Graves: personally I think that within the context of SL, the hatred aimed at furries isn't much different to racism o homophobia...still intolerance of difference from a perceived 'norm'
Glyph Graves: on the other hand too many resrtiction have side effects ..its ablance
Torley Linden: We can't do anything without evidence and we get many rumors of people who are underage but who are not.
Tateru Nino: We've had quite a few of those suspensions recently.
Torley Linden: Tat: I don't know about that.
Laetizia Coronet: Once at Robin's a noob came in, said Hi Im 14 straight to her face lol
Evangeline Wind: its is racism
Torley Linden: Thanks Lyndsey, it was a very fun time. :)
Evangeline Wind: right im sure torley
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Haha.
Tateru Nino: Torley, I've written several articles. Even Akela was suspended without notice (and restored without notice) recently.
Tateru Nino: Not even an email.
Laetizia Coronet: re - racism, what if people roleplay intolerance such as Goreans?
Orzga Aabye: tat .. i appreciate your blog .. it's very even handed.
Joseph Rustamova: yo, torley do you know if the mac client is experiencing voice problems at the minute?
Saijanai Kuhn: mine is
Torley Linden: Tateru: Hm, while I don't know specific circumstances, sometimes people are put on hold for false account info, another (non age-related) violation of the Community Standards, or any one of a number of other things.
Orzga Aabye: at least it seems so .. how do i really know :lol
Tateru Nino: Thanks, Orzga. I try to be unbiased.
Laetizia Coronet: I heard they even refused help from a furry Linden
Saijanai Kuhn: My mac has this chronoic scroll of "connecting"
Joseph Rustamova: yeah, I've got that too
Torley Linden: Re: Voice troubles I'll check with our Voice Team today.
Lyndsey Forager: pifffffft - why are people so nasty lol, dont answer that !
Wolfie Rankin: I find most people are ok with furs
Vivienne Graves thinks that Goreans take themselves far too seriously
Tateru Nino: Well, Torley, I can get a list of people who have been suspended for age-checks who at no time in IM, Chat or in their profiles ever said they were underage.
Joseph Rustamova: it was a bit dodgy in some regions for the past few weeks
Saijanai Kuhn: anyone else on a mac with voice enabled?
Tateru Nino: I think it's disturbing.
Laetizia Coronet: worst was, the Linden in question got herself a human avi just for them
Joseph Rustamova: then last night when it went live, I lost voice all together
Vivienne Graves: (and basing a lifestyle on a series of poorly written novels is...well, questionable judgement)
Torley Linden: Tateru: But how do you know that without reading their chat logs?
Joseph Rustamova: both before and after I updated
Saijanai Kuhn: thats when mine went blooie too
Melanie774 Kidd: i totally agree with tateru
Tateru Nino: I am taking their word for it, admittedly.
Daedalus Young: a while ago, Meta published new data and found a lot of accounts with birthdates set way into the future
Wolfie Rankin: was it michael j fox?
Melanie774 Kidd: if any old joe can get my acct suspended for an entire week simply by claiming i'm underage... that's almost like a form of griefing imo
Daedalus Young: so I said, oh, they're all suspended then, she replied, we can do that, but that would put a lot of pressure on the help desk
Joseph Rustamova: thanks torley
Laetizia Coronet: SL birthdates or RL ones?
Saijanai Kuhn: wysiwyg age-roleplay here
Daedalus Young: rl birthdates
Torley Linden: Melanie774: To clarify, no, that should not work. We go by *your* admission on your own account, generally.
Angsty Rossini: the crash-and on tp here is deliberate, right?? :)
Torley Linden: But false account info can also get you put on hold...
Torley Linden: and what I mean by false account info...
Tateru Nino: In any case Akela Talamasca and I are still trying to get an answer to "Why was Akela's account suspended?"
Daedalus Young: here's the blog post: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/06/12/may-2007-key-metrics-published/
Torley Linden: is putting "MrDINGdongslameblamegameBLAHBLAH SCREWYOU" as your "RL name".
Orzga Aabye: yes .. that would be a social engineering attack, Melanie
Daedalus Young: my reply is #19
Daedalus Young: and Meta's is #29
Saijanai Kuhn says... but that's my RL name, honest...
Laetizia Coronet: but it IS my name - Screwyou is Dutch for Johnson :P
Torley Linden: I'm sorry I couldn't tell you that Tat!
Lyndsey Forager: :( i'm still ruth
Torley Linden: Laetizia: REALLY!?!?!? ;)
Wolfie Rankin: ever noticed griefers are either hax or voom or...what's the other one?
Kitty Barnett: there's no way to change, or even view all the information we put at sign-up though, Torley
Tateru Nino: I know, Torley. It's okay. Neither support, abuse or Marketing/PR is answering.
Laetizia Coronet: Wolfie they have a preference for names
Vivienne Graves: Streeter?
Evangeline Wind: i cant think of the other one we notive wolfie
Evangeline Wind: noticed*
Wolfie Rankin: no, three letters
Evangeline Wind: yes streeter too
Torley Linden: Kitty: You're right about that, I've raised that concern before too... we have an internal project (waiting for a webdev to pick it up) to implement that.
Lyndsey Forager: i dont get why johnson has such a phallic conotation in america - is a very old scottish surname
Vivienne Graves has run across a few griefers named Streeter
Evangeline Wind: we have also
Tree Kyomoon: ive never been attacked by griefers in my sim , probalby because I have create and scripts off
Laetizia Coronet: Hax is almost asking for trouble
Saijanai Kuhn hums... "O what does a scotsman where under his kilt?"
Torley Linden: Any last name with "Lind" in it is also troublesome.
Joseph Rustamova: anyway I'm going to reboot to windows to use voice
Evangeline Wind: lol
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Orzga Aabye: does script off inclue texture animation?
Melanie774 Kidd: heheh
Daedalus Young: yes, lot of Lindmans
Laetizia Coronet: although I know a very nice South African called Hax
Torley Linden: And now I notice I have a mouse crawling around my house.
Wolfie Rankin: we had one bloke screaming "Diabeetus" for some reason at Eragon
Saijanai Kuhn: get a 1/2 or 1/4 wildcat
Lyndsey Forager: the only thing under a highlanders kilt is a strong breeze
Tree Kyomoon: ack ive been sitted to the bottom of the ocean again :)
Torley Linden: Hahahaha.
Tateru Nino: Okay. Back to work for me. I have an interview to finish formatting. Have a lovely day, all. I'll see some of you again at 10am.
Torley Linden: I have a kilt.
Saijanai Kuhn: ours caught her first mosue at age 3 months
Evangeline Wind: yes and couldnt even spell anything right
Laetizia Coronet: Lyndsey, must be their diet
Torley Linden: Take care Tat!
Wolfie Rankin: seeya
Torley Linden: Happy writings!
Tree Kyomoon: oh there wego
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Tateru Nino: Likeise, honey!
Tree Kyomoon: by tat!
Vivienne Graves: 'bye, Tateru
Orzga Aabye: byeeee
Laetizia Coronet: bye!
Evangeline Wind: take care :)
Angsty Rossini: bye
Saijanai Kuhn waves
Glyph Graves: see you tateru
Lyndsey Forager: what tartan is your kilt torley?
Melanie774 Kidd: bye tateru
Torley Linden: Wow cool effect.
Angsty Rossini: THATS an exit :)
Laetizia Coronet: Maclinden probably
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Saijanai Kuhn wants rewind button for SL
Tree Kyomoon: aww I missed the exit
Randal Kline: Torley: any idea what does Formal SL Groups mean here "Formal SL Groups will be asked to pay a L$10 annual group fee (non-refundable) for Groups."
Wolfie Rankin: I can apparently wear a legit kilt, my sister saw the tartan, but forgot what it looked like by the time she got home
Chase Marellan: Sorry I missed the beginning, but does anybody know if the threatened PN attack is over?
Lyndsey Forager: there are 100's of tartans, but anyone can wear ones like flower of scotland and black watch
Wolfie Rankin: another one?
Torley Linden: Laetizia: Argh, easy question I should know! My Scottish uncle gave it to me... I know his last name but forget what clan he's descended from offhand.
Wolfie Rankin: there was apparently one last night
Torley Linden: If I saw a page of swatches I could identify it.
Torley Linden: Randal: Where did you see that?
Chase Marellan: Wolfie: That's probably the one. So it's done now, then?
Lyndsey Forager: my family tartan is dark green and yellow
Randal Kline: voice faq
Laetizia Coronet: I used to have Macdonald tartan on my scouts scarf
Lyndsey Forager: but if i twll you the clan then you know my surname
Vivienne Graves: My Scots ancestors were MacDonalds...
Tree Kyomoon doesnt see torleys kilt
Angsty Rossini: I used to like the Bay City Rollers....
Wolfie Rankin: from the notice I got, the lindens stepped in fast and stopped it, attacked a furry sim
Torley Linden: Chase: I can't confirm that because sometimes threats are made to spook but there's no subsequent attack, or attack doesn't coincide with the threat, to throw people off. Our Governance Team is watching though.
blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/11999
Orzga Aabye: does that mean that tartan colors are like a coat of arms?
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Laetizia Coronet: Orzga, sort of
Laetizia Coronet: clan colours
Vivienne Graves: No...tartans signify clan membership
Chase Marellan: torley: OK, thanks. I just wanted to know whether it was safe to re-eanble. :)
Lyndsey Forager: absolutly orgza, like a family crest
Vivienne Graves: arms belong to an individual, not a family
Lyndsey Forager: its all signs of membership
Randal Kline: Torley: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Voice_FAQ#Does_it_cost_anything_to_use_voice.3F
Vivienne Graves: (at least in Britain)
Chase Marellan: Wolfie: thanks
Angsty Rossini: Hmm, prim kilt store :)
Torley Linden: Chase: I'd suggest not living your Second Life in fear of course. =)
Wolfie Rankin: kilts must be so much more comfy for men than tight jeans
Torley Linden: Hmmm...
Laetizia Coronet: sculpty bagpipes
Lyndsey Forager: you can get a prim kilt in the "scotland" region
Chase Marellan: Angsty: that would be cool. :)
Angsty Rossini: then again, my building skills suck!
Chase Marellan: heheheh... Of course. But we have a public sandbox. :)
Kitty Barnett: having "Group" checked for "Build" overrides the group abilitiy for building, is that by design or a bug? it seems to be fairly non-intuitive
Lyndsey Forager: and you get prim bagpipes that play highland cathedral
Wolfie Rankin: I have a kilt now :)
Orzga Aabye: well those schotts then do wrap themselves in the flag ..
Randal Kline: i can give a tour if you happen to be @ scotland sim :)
Laetizia Coronet: oh I perfer Scotland the Brave
Torley Linden: Chase: Ooh where's your sandbox?
Wolfie Rankin: nice
Wolfie Rankin: the aussies were at the tattoo, you know what they played? The vegemite commercial
Torley Linden: Randal: Sounds like it means a proper SL group, e.g., searchable from Search > Groups tab, but not sure offhand. I'll look for clarification on that, to see if that wording needs to be improved.
Chase Marellan: Torley: I'll grab a slurl, hang on
Tree Kyomoon: Torley is the music here yours ?
Laetizia Coronet: haha wolfie, typical
Lyndsey Forager: i hope voice will give rise to sl karaoke competitions
Torley Linden: Kitty: Which control is that?
Torley Linden: And SL standup!
Torley Linden: Standup comedy!
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Angsty Rossini: NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Saijanai Kuhn: street musicians
Randal Kline: Torley: Thanks
Torley Linden: Tree: Yes it is.
Torley Linden: Cyber-buskers.
Laetizia Coronet: yes, buskers
Torley Linden: NP.
Tree Kyomoon: awesome, its wicked cool
Lyndsey Forager: i would love to hear comedy in sl
Daedalus Young: the record is rotating the wrong way though
Laetizia Coronet: I'll do my rendering of Karyusha
Daedalus Young: that's not good for your needle
Laetizia Coronet: *Katyusha
Torley Linden: Haha things are kinda bass-ackwards sometimes in Torleyland.
Wolfie Rankin: I'm hoping to set up a comedy game show for the ABC
Torley Linden: Oh really Wolfie? What's it going to be like?
Kitty Barnett: let's say you only want officers in a group to be able to build... you have a group ability for that.... but in order for it to actually work, you have to uncheck "Group" for Build in the land options... if "Group" is checked in "About Land" then every group-member can build, even if the group ability says they shouldn't be able to
Angsty Rossini: but, you can hear subliminal messages when you play the records backwards...
Wolfie Rankin: there's a tv show in Oz called spicks n specks
Wolfie Rankin: I think we can apply it to SL easily
Glyph Graves: lol angsty
Wolfie Rankin: the ABC gameshows have no prizes, people do it for fun
Angsty Rossini: I still want The Cahser to come inworld Wolfie
Angsty Rossini: *Chaser
Laetizia Coronet: if anything Ozzie should hit SL, it must be Flying DOctors :)
Wolfie Rankin: we had a chaser, I asked abi if he was hers, she said no... so I banned him ;)
Laetizia Coronet: we'll ask the Abbotts guy to build us a Nomad
Saijanai Kuhn: Ah, here's the problem with Macs and maybe some PCs:
Lyndsey Forager: lol, friends of mine have gone sploder CRAZY before they dissapear
Saijanai Kuhn: It seems rather rushed - apart from the chatterbox issues, there are also firewall issues (the FAQ is wrong - it implies that if you are firewall router you only need to enable 5060 and possible 5062. This is incorrect. It looks like the SLVoice.exe does the initial handshake over 5060/5062 but then establishes the voip connections themselves over UDP ports which afaict are picked at random within the 12000-16000 range. If you firewall does not have this range open by default for outgoing messages, not only does VOIP not work but you get spammed with "Connecting to inworld voice..." every few minutes in the chat history log).
Angsty Rossini: Bananas In Pyjamas??
Torley Linden: Kitty: Hmm that seems kind of confusing.
Wolfie Rankin: one of the lindens made a couple of bananas in pyjamas, they were at the abc sim
Lyndsey Forager: bannas, in pyjamas are coming down the stairs
Torley Linden: Please feel free to correct the wiki FAQ if there are errors.
Laetizia Coronet: about sploders - there are Linden Detectives going around, warning about them. They are fake, AR on them please
Chase Marellan: torley: Sorry, I couldn't pull it up for some reason. :) It's at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Shishapangma/138/82/76 , or I've (now) got a landmark.
Torley Linden: Thanks Chase.
Glyph Graves: hehe
Angsty Rossini: LOL
Saijanai Kuhn: Could also explain why Croquet doesn't always work when SL is running
Laetizia Coronet: croquet in SL?
Randal Kline: so-called plain-clothed lindens?
Wolfie Rankin: Because the ball decided it was time for tea
Laetizia Coronet: "Caribou nibbling on the hoops dear"
Saijanai Kuhn: working on a connection for Chat and IM between Croquet and SL
Orzga Aabye: that can't be true?
Orzga Aabye: is it?
Laetizia Coronet: what is?
Orzga Aabye: plain cothes linden enforcers ..
Saijanai Kuhn is working on a connection...
Laetizia Coronet: they change their group title to Linden Detective
Laetizia Coronet: they are fake Orzga
Torley Linden: Linden impersonators aren't allowed either, if they change their group tag to that, please abuse report them.
Orzga Aabye: ic.
Randal Kline: they cant be the real deals :)
Torley Linden: There is no such thing as a Linden without the last name "Linden".
Wolfie Rankin: certainly
Torley Linden: As obvious as that sounds.
Laetizia Coronet: or Watermelinden
Wolfie Rankin: damn, I'm too fond of Rankin
Torley Linden: Someone who claims "I'm a Linden alt!" should log on as their Linden self and prove it.
Torley Linden: Haha.
Tree Kyomoon: Sbal Nednil
Wolfie Rankin: I wouldn't give it up
Torley Linden: If they can't, then they are messing with you and wasting your time.
Lyndsey Forager: nutters, the grid has a lot of nutters in it
Wolfie Rankin: it's a RL family name too
Laetizia Coronet: how was it agfain? "THe quality oges in before the name goes on" ;)
Saijanai Kuhn wants to know what is wrong with a "Watermelinden Lover' secpet maybe the name wont fit
Laetizia Coronet: * goes
Torley Linden: But it is highly unusual for a professed Linden alt to make such a claim (myself being an exception...).
Marianne McCann: Did someon say nutters are on the grid?
Marianne McCann giggles
Torley Linden: Haha Sai.
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: Nutters? That makes me think of English slang.
Daedalus Young: hi Marianne, nice hat :)
Lyndsey Forager: me marianne
Torley Linden: Hey Mari!
Wolfie Rankin: I love english slang
Laetizia Coronet: tossers, the lot of 'em
Marianne McCann: Thankoo Daedalus
Torley Linden: How're postcards working for you now Mari?
Wolfie Rankin: "Bollocks" is my favourite
Marianne McCann: Hey Torley!
Saijanai Kuhn: cockney ryming slang
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: I saw your earlier msg. re: the bigger postcards and Snapzilla.
Saijanai Kuhn: rhyming
Marianne McCann: It's new from greenies Home. They gots more stuff there now
Torley Linden: "It's all gone Pete Tong!"
Wolfie Rankin: download "the nutter on the bus" off limewire :)
Tree Kyomoon: Ooooo like that one
Lyndsey Forager: but thereis a difference between slang and coloualisims
Marianne McCann whispers, "Wow... busy mornin!"
Laetizia Coronet: I love Shebang, of Untouchables fame
Torley Linden: For anyone who doesn't know yet, sending out postcards with better image quality + size settings finally works, a bug was fixed: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/02/postcards-from-the-sledge/
Saijanai Kuhn: rhyming slang is an artform
Tree Kyomoon: All Gone Pete Tong
Tree Kyomoon: AGPT
Torley Linden: Haha, that Pete Tong one cracks me up. I'm partial tho, he's a great DJ.
Wolfie Rankin: Me old china plate
Tree Kyomoon: excellent...added to mental dictionary
Lyndsey Forager: lol, i like pete tong on radio 1
Saijanai Kuhn: Which would be abrevated to pulling a Pete
Saijanai Kuhn: or something like that
Marianne McCann: I love it bein fixed, Torley! Been usin it as soon as I could. Now I jes gotta be on pins an needles for WindLight again
Wolfie Rankin: I like a bit a dead 'orse on me pie
Torley Linden: Kewl Mari.
Laetizia Coronet: I like ozzie slang
Laetizia Coronet: or even just hte sound of it
Randal Kline: there was a hiccup earlier, when my email doesnt appear when sending the postcards
Chase Marellan: Ouch, gotta run, see ya all!
Tree Kyomoon: is there sling slang?
Lyndsey Forager: marianne - is that shrek ears you are wearing?
Wolfie Rankin: bye chase
Evangeline Wind: night chase
Marianne McCann: I get that sometimes too, Randal. 'specially if I'm really laggy
Tree Kyomoon: night :)
Laetizia Coronet: hlong slang perhaps
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Laetizia Coronet: *shlong
Randal Kline: i was on that giant red shoe nearby
Angsty Rossini: its afterr nightnight, so 'morning" :)
Wolfie Rankin: isn't that a jewish word?
Torley Linden: Kitty: And oh! Pardon, didn't mean to leave it hanging ambiguously but it sounds to me like group Role permissions should override the parcel ones... I don't recall it being a deliberate design decision so I'm more inclined to say it's a bug, the way you described it.
Laetizia Coronet: Shlong? lol not sure
Wolfie Rankin: you know "dork" is a whales penis?
Vivienne Graves: schlong...yiddish
Lyndsey Forager: lol wolfie
Marianne McCann: Oy vey es mir!
Kitty Barnett: okies, will make a JIRA with a step-by-step :)
Laetizia Coronet: oy gevalt
Saijanai Kuhn: what is that term form Young Frankentien?
Angsty Rossini: rolls eyes... boys....
Saijanai Kuhn: Frankenstein?
Orzga Aabye: weel now i feel better bout everyone calling me that ..
Tree Kyomoon: really? so whale biologists go "hey there seems to be a problem with minky's dork"
Torley Linden: Thanks Kitty. :)
Torley Linden: Hahaha "dork".
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
Torley Linden: "Dork" and "bork", they are funny words.
Marianne McCann thinks she's way too young (in-world) for this conversation /me winks
Tree Kyomoon: orca dork?
Torley Linden: Words make things more colorful...
Torley Linden: ;)
Torley Linden: Ah to be young and innocent!
Laetizia Coronet: Tree, haha, perfect insult
Marianne McCann: Need an avvie, Torley?
Marianne McCann giggles
Torley Linden: "Why don't you make like a tree... and SPLIT!" @_@
Saijanai Kuhn is just young, er innocent
Tree Kyomoon: :D
Laetizia Coronet: get away from me, ya orca dork!
Vivienne Graves: 'doctor, help...my dork is borked!' 'ah, you obviously need Viagra...let me write you a prescription'
Torley Linden: Haha I should have a baby stroller attachment... little puppies...
Tree Kyomoon: trees dont split...people split trees...
Lyndsey Forager: loved the greenies region
Tree Kyomoon: trees just stand there
Tree Kyomoon: waving
Wolfie Rankin: a blue whale testicle is the same size as a VW beetle
Torley Linden: Haha... mixed simile.
Torley Linden: OK, TMI!
Torley Linden: =D
Laetizia Coronet: please Wolfie, lol
Marianne McCann: Hmn... stroller....
Saijanai Kuhn: Did you measure?
Randal Kline: greenie! i like that place. http://sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=189491&sort=Pictures.PictureID+desc&Name=Randal+Kline
Torley Linden: Inevitable question: is it carbon-neutral?
Torley Linden: Greenies is a lot of fun.
Torley Linden: I like how they're really run with the theme.
Torley Linden: *they've
Evangeline Wind: we played hide n seek in greenies, it was fun :-)
Randal Kline: http://sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=189488&sort=Pictures.PictureID+desc&Name=Randal+Kline
Lyndsey Forager: its so cool so feel that small - i love the scale of it all
Wolfie Rankin: there's a house inside the mantle clock
Marianne McCann: Sorry, only srtroller I have is no trans, Torley
Laetizia Coronet: definitely Lyndsey
Tree Kyomoon: anyone know of any forests made of sculpties yet?
Torley Linden: Aw, thanks anyway Marianne.
Marianne McCann smiles
Marianne McCann: Shhh... dun mention the Mantle Clock
Wolfie Rankin: I have a friend with a mouse avatar, I made him stand in the cats dish while I took photos
Torley Linden: Tree: I know sculptie water, but it doesn't have sculptie trees to match yet. Altho it has sculptie rocks.
Marianne McCann: I've been to Greenies sooooo many times
Torley Linden: "Welcome to the sculptie forest!" Hmmm... that'd be a great tagline.
Tree Kyomoon wants to make some sculptie water, that would be fun
Saijanai Kuhn: have you guys seen the mars crater?
Laetizia Coronet: down with forests! More megamalls!
Tree Kyomoon: i made a sculptie forest, thats why I was asking
Evangeline Wind: will we ever get more prims?
Torley Linden: Sculptie water I found is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/846304009/
Wolfie Rankin: no
Marianne McCann: I'm still trying to get the basics of Sculpties
Tree Kyomoon: YES I saw the mars crater
Tree Kyomoon: I thought it was secret
Kitty Barnett: I bought a sculpty tree last weekend, although it's just the actual tree that's sculpty, the leaves/small brances are interleaved flat prims
Glyph Graves: was that yours in show us your sculpties ?
Torley Linden: More prims per region, and hence, parcel? Don't think it's likely in the near future. But sculpties help make cooler stuff with less prims.
Torley Linden: Mars crater!? Haha, that's wild.
Tree Kyomoon: NASA made it
Saijanai Kuhn: made from scultpties
Saijanai Kuhn: about 256 of them
Saijanai Kuhn: or mroe
Torley Linden: Well, thanks each and everyone for coming. I've enjoyed being here with you. I have to go now, but I shall be back at 2 PM PDT if you have time to join me again. :)
Marianne McCann: We're only starting ot mess with sculpties on Livingtree
Tree Kyomoon: yes, mathematic exactness
Laetizia Coronet: sheesh... some shop gave me a free mouse... it's PS2 - what are they, dinosaur central?
Tree Kyomoon: thanks Torley nice to meet you!
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Torley Linden: Some motherboards nowadays don't even have PS/2 mouse ports... USB babyeeee.
Glyph Graves: its was good ... and enteraining
Laetizia Coronet: thanks Torley
Angsty Rossini: Thanks Torley
Marianne McCann: Oops
Evangeline Wind: take care torley :-)
Laetizia Coronet: exaclty, I can't use it
Saijanai Kuhn: later Torley
Torley Linden: Nice to meet you too! And take care all! Until the next time we meet. :o) Bye! *waves*

2 PM

Torley Linden: Hey everyone!
Daedalus Young: hi
Talarus Luan: probably an alt of another Linden
Igel Hawks: Hi Torley
Torley Linden: Good to see you all here already, please have a seat if you'd like. :)
Talarus Luan: Greetings, Watermelady! :P
Torley Linden: Some people choose not to sit and that's fine too.
Kooky Jetaime: Hey Torley
Torley Linden: Hehehe.
Torley Linden: Today I am literally a DOG.
Kooky Jetaime: Stupid question before we get going
Torley Linden: With WINGS.
Kooky Jetaime: How did what appears to be a private resident get ahold of a plot here in LindenLand?
Talarus Luan: Sitting is often difficult due to tails and wings ;)
Kooky Jetaime: Other side of Jesse's
Torley Linden: Kooky -- I think that was there before Lindens moved in.
Kooky Jetaime: Ok
Torley Linden: Grasmere is an expansion unit, not the original Linden Village.
Torley Linden: So we didn't want to throw anyone out who already had land.
Kooky Jetaime: Just wondering because the one plot of "No Entry" among the rest is just.... irritating
Sukozu Shan: hello
Talarus Luan: Grandfathered
Torley Linden: Yeah that does look frustrating. :\
Kooky Jetaime: and its locked down to like.. 4 people.
Kooky Jetaime: it don't get any more private than that in a public area...
Torley Linden: So what's new and exciting with everyone? I just came back from looking through inventory loss issues (you may've seen the latest blog announcement).
Kooky Jetaime: perhaps time to consider a polite buyout?
Al Sonic: Yep. THough in the owner's defense, it could be a good measure to try to keep out people who were looking for Linden land, not their land.
Kooky Jetaime: Inventory Loss don't seem to be all... I tried buying one of your texture blocks behind you, the sale isn't processing (never receiving anything)
Talarus Luan: Not much, just weathering the issues...
Igel Hawks: The loss is really bad
Talarus Luan: Avoiding the voice client... :P
Igel Hawks: I am happy to have had connection trouble the last days :-)
Orzga Aabye: is inventory ever "on" the client?
Torley Linden: How do you mean, on?
Kooky Jetaime: No Orzga
Orzga Aabye: well it's a collection of keys into the db
Talarus Luan: Only in renderable form, not in real useful form
Torley Linden: I'd like to welcome everyone (new and who's been here before) to my Office Hour in the Linden Village. :)
Torley Linden: For those of you not familiar, we usually go through a crazy range of topics.
Torley Linden: It's pretty free-flowing.
Igel Hawks: But strictly exiting
Talarus Luan: Hello, JayR :)
JayR Cela: Hello everyone / whats the discussion about this afternoon ??
Igel Hawks: All you can think
JayR Cela: lol
Igel Hawks: But no casino questions LOL
JayR Cela: I better keep my mouth shut then
Sukozu Shan: I have a question, if you dont mind. anyone else not being able to port out of here?
Iris Bourdeille: may i ask a question please?
Orzga Aabye: so reszzing a no-copy?
Al Sonic: Lots of discussion's usually here about whatever helps to enrich our ability to be expressive and artistic within SL.
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: Al: Yes. :)
Torley Linden: That's an apt way to put it.
JayR Cela: if you cant TP out ~ re logg to your desired location
Torley Linden: For now, yes, don't try to rez no-copy objects on land where it'd fail...
Iris Bourdeille: when are content creators going to get new tools ? adn whats' next ?
Kooky Jetaime: Sukozu - I ported in just fine, but I can't pull up any useful info, Torley's profile, my group info..
Daedalus Young: this I have to check, I seem to get system crashes with Voice enabled
Talarus Luan: or on something where it would fail like certain types of prim surfaces
Orzga Aabye: because so action needs be taken to let inventory know that it's been de-rezzed?
Orzga Aabye: and if that action fails , you lose ownership?
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Al Sonic: That sounds about right.
Kooky Jetaime: Hey Bridie
Torley Linden: If you try to rez it again, you'll get an error saying it failed to rez. :(
Bridie Linden: Hey Kooky, everyone!
Torley Linden: Heyhey Bridie!
Igel Hawks: Hi Bridie
Torley Linden: And you'll lose the object, yes.
Daedalus Young: hi Bridie
Bridie Linden: Hey Igel, Daedalus!
JayR Cela: that failed to rezz stuff usually turn up later burried in the floor somewheres
Talarus Luan: Sometimes. Oft times it is simply .. history.
JayR Cela: you need some sort of object radar finding tool to locate them when that happens
Torley Linden: This was, of course, one of the rare times an inventory loss bug has a solid repro, but we value those a lot, helps us fix them faster.
Kooky Jetaime: god I would practically kill for some way to backup inventory & database entries.
Torley Linden: Solid repro meaning, easy steps to follow to make the problem happen again.
JayR Cela: I found 3 failed to rezz objects last night
Torley Linden: Kooky: We've definitely been thinking about that, some internal discussion going on.
JayR Cela: 2 weeks after I had lost them
Kooky Jetaime: I know... but theres practically no safe way to do it
Kooky Jetaime: Not to insure the integrety of the permissions system.
JayR Cela: so they are still in the DB somewhere
Kooky Jetaime: unless you do some client side encryption
Orzga Aabye: you know .. changing sims sometimes messes up attachemtns.
Talarus Luan: Well, if you have full rights, you can use a device to back up some aspects of an object, like the prim build
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 163.138, 40.9029 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 164.18, 41.1469 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 164.69, 41.4049 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 165.455, 41.1553 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 166.235, 41.3766 is full.
Kooky Jetaime: Talarus - True...
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 169.041, 41.9311 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 171.058, 42.8324 is full.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 171.823, 43.0155 is full.
Al Sonic: Yep. Sadly it has happened many times before and it still happens.
Deathprints - Rt click wear: Can't create object 'Left Print' because the parcel 'Torley Watermelinden Land of Happiness, Fruit, & Recitations' at Grasmere 172.492, 43.6661 is full.
JayR Cela: moving from Simm to Simm and screwed up attachments has been an ongoin issue since the 1.15 Client series
Daedalus Young: oh Bridie- you demonstrate the full black avatar bug for me right now!
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - is there any way to recover, to your knowledge (or Bridie's), the database entries for a given asset?
Bridie Linden: I rebaked and now look over-cooked!
Bridie Linden: ;)
Kooky Jetaime: Hahahhah Bridie
Igel Hawks: Looks nice :-)
Torley Linden: Kooky: That depends on what happened.
Daedalus Young: I suppose that's it yes
Orzga Aabye: lol
Torley Linden: In some cases, yes, we've been able to look through backups and restore individual accounts' losses.
Al Sonic: *laugh*
Igel Hawks: Happy that it not only happens to me
Bridie Linden: brb
Kooky Jetaime: I have inventory (thats in my inventory), the asset still exists on the asset server, however the database entries that handle the pointing are kaputz
Torley Linden: There was a time awhile ago where a few poeple had their whole inventories lost in a server move.
JayR Cela: Kooky I think you just have to wait untill the DB server catches up
Kooky Jetaime: JayR - these are items that I've had for months
Torley Linden: We're going to hold more Linden internal meetings next week about handling inventory loss better, it's such a bother and upset.
Wyn Galbraith: Thank you Torley.
Kooky Jetaime: The assets still exist, ie: script is still running, but any attempt to actually retrieve the text of the script results in a "Missing from database" error.. the UUID has been 0000'ed
Orzga Aabye: as any sys admin knows .. lose of persoanly created data is a _big_ issue
JayR Cela: Kooky / I loose stuff too / but it allways comes back sooner or later
Kooky Jetaime: Same as what has caused everyones "Gesture is missing from Database" I'm presuming
Igel Hawks: I have some Items with this message, too
Orzga Aabye: the scret life of stuff .. it went for a short walk but it's back
Torley Linden: Kooky: "Gesture is missing from Database" sounds like a different bug on the Issue Tracker, but it is a specific issue I have seen before.
Kooky Jetaime: From what I've learned of the way inventory works, is there is a database sitting between you and your assets on the asset server, you talk to the DB, then DB points to the asset itself.
Kooky Jetaime: If the database table becomes corrupted, then you appear to lose that pointer.
Tree Kyomoon waves to everybody
Daedalus Young: hi Tree
Orzga Aabye waves to gree
Talarus Luan: Well, copy objects delete the reference from your inventory when you rez it. The problem is that when it fails to rez, it "forgets" to put it back.
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - I think what happened is one of the Library gestures has come under that "missing pointer" problem, which is why its such a widespread issue
Igel Hawks: Hi Tree
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Talarus Luan: *no-copy, that is
JayR Cela: Kooky I beleave you are correct on that issue
Kooky Jetaime: i deactivated all my "stock" gestures, and the error is gone..
Wyn Galbraith waves at Tree.
Igel Hawks: For me it was a costum meow gesture
Orzga Aabye: i would have thought no-copy would have some "automatic restore on logout" methodology.. as failsafe
Wyn Galbraith lost a lot of stuff.
Torley Linden: I've lost stuff too, it sucks.
Torley Linden: I have early mementos from 2004 I won't see again. :\
Wyn Galbraith: Ah Torley!
Orzga Aabye: ;-)
Igel Hawks: :-((
Tree Kyomoon hasnt lost any inventory yet knock on electrons
Igel Hawks: Thats bad Torley
Kooky Jetaime: The thing is, if the database and asset servers are so redundant, how can it be happening?
Kooky Jetaime: I'm not referring to rezzing failures and being lost that way
Al Sonic: Knock on electrons... clever.
Talarus Luan: Well, no-copy objects are problematic in that you can have one or more copies that you bought, for example. Because they are no-copy, you aren't allowed to have more than you actually have. The problem is keeping consistency between the count in inventory and the count rezzed in-world.
Kooky Jetaime: but just inventory and such dissapearing when they arn't even actively used
Gangus Carter: Yeah, I lost some clothes in my inventory and I dont have a lot to where
Gangus Carter: were*
Kooky Jetaime: My pet lost the settings notecard inside her clit.
Talarus Luan: One is maintained by the asset server; the other is maintained by the simulators, and they don't reconcile one another.
Al Sonic: Or silicon... whatever.
Torley Linden: So yes, there are definitely a number of things we want to do to improve this, and reduce likelihood of losses as time goes on.
Kooky Jetaime: I mean.. Talk about something that isn't changed, it just exists for the occasional recall.
Kooky Jetaime: Same with my flight script....
Torley Linden: One of these would be more informative/descriptive error messages upon failed inventory transfer that'd help us better pinpoint problems, instead of a vague "Missing from database" or whatever that could conceivably have several different causes.
Talarus Luan: Yes, meaningful error messages are always a good thing. :)
Torley Linden: Bridie and I, as part of Studio Blacklight, are going to be closely involved with development efforts relating to this.
Henry Irwin: Ah poop
Talarus Luan: Cool.
Henry Irwin: I'm stuck
Torley Linden: Bridie, for those of you who don't already know, also has a Viewer Crashes bug triage every Wednesday.
Torley Linden: @ 3 PM PDT. :)
Kooky Jetaime: am I the only one who hears white noise?
Torley Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Bridie_Linden
Torley Linden: Hmm Kooky my sound is muted.
Torley Linden: Bridie, did you want to say anything more about yer triages?
Talarus Luan: Is there anyone having a "simulator crashes" meeting?
Wyn Galbraith: I hear it Kooky.
Orzga Aabye: what's the "simulator" the VR server?
Bridie Linden: Just like you said, Torley - every Weds @ 3pm...
Al Sonic: Heh... reminds me of the problem when something's up with the car and it just says "check engine".
Wyn Galbraith: Tree I think.
Torley Linden: Talarus: Some of those fall into specific buckets, e.g. physics-related crashes will hopefully be ameliorated by Havok-4. Depends on which bug causes a server crash.
Igel Hawks: I hear water and low music
Bridie Linden: Go here for more info on all triages
Bridie Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage
Torley Linden: We've definitely raised hot simulator crash issues at our internal Blacklight meetings before too, there've been a number fixed (as you can see from past release notes, aka Help menu > Release Notes).
Talarus Luan: Yeah, we think a lot of them are physics deep-thinks.
Bridie Linden: Viewer Crashes agenda: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Viewer_Crashes_Agenda
Igel Hawks: When will Havok-4 will be standard?
Tree Kyomoon: yeah I here something
Wyn Galbraith thinks Tree's mike is open.
Torley Linden: Thanks Bridie. =)
Bridie Linden: We want to know about sim crashes too, but that's not the main focus of my triages
Tree Kyomoon: ah could be
Daedalus Young: yes, I hear noise too, funnily, even if I put all sliders at 0, except Master, I still hear it
Talarus Luan: As they are not truly crashes, but just long LONG stretches of lag that makes the connected viewers think the sim is toast.
Tree Kyomoon: now its off
Torley Linden: Igel: We're going to roll it out in phases; depends on testing and how things go. It won't be available to the whole Grid at once, likely, but some regions.
Daedalus Young: it sounds like ambient, it waves in and out
Kooky Jetaime: ((Theres a loud "Wind Noise" that is actually white noise comming from a invisprim on the flagpole.))
Torley Linden: But we're hoping to first get feedback in beta (our release terminology is changing for ease-of-understandability tho), stay tuned.
Henry Irwin: ah
Henry Irwin: finally
Torley Linden: Oh yes Kooky, that's one of mine.
Wyn Galbraith: Now it's wind, water and piano.
Torley Linden: Hey Henry!
Kooky Jetaime: ((Dagger, you may want to turn your shield off with everyone in such close proximity))
Igel Hawks: Oh, I am curious about it
Henry Irwin: I kept getting sucked under ground
Dagger Bury: OK
Torley Linden: I've had experiments with ambient sound...
Daedalus Young: oh, now it just stopped, prob realized I'd turned my slider down :P
Kooky Jetaime: I hate to say it Torley, but if your muting the sound, isn't that a sign that theres to much?
Kooky Jetaime chuckles
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: No Kooky, I usually have sound muted everywhere because I have to focus on other things. :)
Torley Linden: I will prolly change things up in the future tho.
Torley Linden: I do wish for better ambient in SL...
Tree Kyomoon: torley do you use voice much?
Kooky Jetaime: I'll gladly wait on ambiance, windlight, and the rest if it means better resiliance
Torley Linden: I've used Voice on occasion, usually for internal meetings.
Tree Kyomoon: do you think you will use it much in world?
Kooky Jetaime: ie: And end to lost inventory, and end to silent disconnects
Torley Linden: I'm not sure if I'd use it much exploring around the Grid and stuff -- because I get so frequently interrupted.
Henry Irwin: Voice seems to remind me a lot of Xbox live.
Igel Hawks: I used it only for meetings. In allday SL I have disabled voice
Henry Irwin: A lot of 12 year olds thorwing around lame insults.
Henry Irwin: throwing*
Daedalus Young: you should Abuse Report 12 year olds :P
Tree Kyomoon: that happens in text chat too?
Henry Irwin: It's funnier in voice chat.
Henry Irwin: You ask them how old they are.
Kooky Jetaime: I age abused someone earlier
Torley Linden: I tend to micro-tize a lot of stuff nowadays.
Henry Irwin: And they'll say 18 or something, but they'll have a kid's voice.
Tree Kyomoon: age abused?
Kooky Jetaime: I know a few adults with kid voices..so don't hold that soley against them
Al Sonic: Hehe... I mix up my words too...
Daedalus Young: and you have those voice morphers, so yeah
Talarus Luan: Heh.. welcome to voice :P The WoW kiddies strike back. :P
Kooky Jetaime: But when an avi walks up and says "Are you over 18?? \n Cuz I'm not".. thats an abuse rep.
Torley Linden: :O
Torley Linden: Yeah, there's bound to be some desync between people's avatars and their actual voices.
Igel Hawks: Deadalus: Do you a good morpher?
Torley Linden: I can't wait until people who speak in clicky tribal languages come in... ;)
Igel Hawks: *know
Torley Linden: That'll be interesting.
Tree Kyomoon: definitely going to be a problem for me, the skeleton...as skeletons dont have voice boxes
Orzga Aabye: lol
Al Sonic: Hah... is that another clicky language then?
Henry Irwin: The ribs vribrate to create sound waves.
Orzga Aabye: you'll have to train a pet rat to sit on your shoulder and talk for you
Tree Kyomoon: hmm good thinin '99
Kooky Jetaime: tree - then get a voice box.. like Uncle Ned (South Park)
Kooky Jetaime: er wait.. Jimbo
Torley Linden: Tree, although I know a lot of talking skeletons.
Kooky Jetaime: one of em
Torley Linden: Sometimes the supernatural is reason enough.
Daedalus Young: Ned it is
Tree Kyomoon: i guess theres lots...nicole richie, lara flynn boyle...
Kooky Jetaime: Yea, considering how could a skeleton walk without muscles....
Torley Linden: :O
Torley Linden: Anorexia!?
Torley Linden: Kooky: They're supposed to often be willfully animated by vengeful spirits, or are unrestful souls of their own demise.
Henry Irwin: Ethiopians.
Torley Linden: Something like that.
Tree Kyomoon: yes, you see, im actually a ghost rider
Talarus Luan: Muscles.. everyone always things in such technological/biological/modern terms.. remember MAGIC?!?! :P
Saijanai Kuhn: Hey torley, speaking of vengeful spirits
Talarus Luan: *thinks
Torley Linden: Ghost Rider's a good example of that. I mean, who doesn't like Johnny Blaze!?
Saijanai Kuhn: My voice still isn't working...
Al Sonic: Ghost rider? XD
JayR Cela: Tree ~ Ghost Rider / wheres your Harley / LOL :_)
Torley Linden: That sux Sai. :\
Kooky Jetaime: Wheres the flames?
Torley Linden: When'd your voice stop working?
Saijanai Kuhn: it seems to be an uncertain thing with Mac users
Kooky Jetaime: I've heard a lot of people saying voice isn't working today
Tree Kyomoon: workin on it...got to get the flaming hair just right
Saijanai Kuhn: as soon as I downloded the permanent voice client last night
Torley Linden: I know there was a blog post earlier today about non-working voice.
JayR Cela: Tree LOL
Saijanai Kuhn: they said they fixed it, but not for Mac users
Igel Hawks: There wa a issue some hours ago, but it is resolved
Talarus Luan: Update laryngitis? :P
Saijanai Kuhn: or at last some of us
Daedalus Young: I have Intel Mac and just a few hours Voice, but when I enable it, it appears to crash the system
lufpleh Obstreperous: think the big jump in load has caught the voice server/apps out
Torley Linden: Hmm.
Kooky Jetaime: That was something I think I heard earlier today
Saijanai Kuhn: I've tried all the suggestions on SLDEV
Torley Linden: We'll see what happens over the next stretch of days, including the weekend.
Saijanai Kuhn: I'm currenlty running without a firewall
lufpleh Obstreperous: its very intermitant if you can establish a connection
Kooky Jetaime: That they were running out to get more servers because they were overloaded
Henry Irwin: Speaking of crashing, the Patriotic nigras (aka the /b/astards from the chans) seem to be targetting sandboxes for grid-crashing.
Tree Kyomoon: finished my supper ... corn on the cob, or pixels on a cone :)
Kooky Jetaime grabs his hackin programs and goes after Saijanai
Saijanai Kuhn: I can understand, but why Macs specifically
Vin Sewell: hello every body
Orzga Aabye: so is this voip that's voice?
Daedalus Young: hi
Vin Sewell: what's this place ?
Talarus Luan: Different platform issues, maybe?
Saijanai Kuhn: Torley's place.
Torley Linden: Vin, welcome to Watermelinden Land, my inworld office.
lufpleh Obstreperous: thats the other problem Toley, why release it on a Thursday, one day to investigate problems, should have been a Mondya/Tuesday
Vin Sewell: and what is it for ? :-D
Grizzy Griswold: Hi Torley.
Torley Linden: If I had my druthers I'd run a hotel.
Orzga Aabye: you'se guys is a phone co. then ..
Saijanai Kuhn: taling with Torley Linden
Talarus Luan: It's the Watermelon paradise, home of the elusive Watermelinden, but we've actually trapped her today. :P
Kooky Jetaime: Agreed....
Saijanai Kuhn: All people with last names of Linden work for the company that makes Second Life
Al Sonic: Torley's office hours meetings usually, like this...
Tree Kyomoon: Torley Towers
Torley Linden: lufpleh: I don't know of all the reasons, but part of it had to do with it being an *optional* update.
Grizzy Griswold: brb
Torley Linden: We also actually made the server-side voice changes on Monday.
Kooky Jetaime: I am thinking of starting a campaign to get an internal policy established at LL "outlawing" Friday Updates for this reason.
Torley Linden: It was not an entirely one-day thing. (Blog has more details.)
Kooky Jetaime: er, after last week
Kooky Jetaime: end
lufpleh Obstreperous: voice has been kicking around for months now, a delay of 4 days would not of hurt
Torley Linden: What would you have liked it to be delayed for? Was there a specific issue you wanted to see fixed?
Tree Kyomoon: hey, mankind has waited 100,000 years for second life!
Igel Hawks: LOL
Talarus Luan: The Communicate dialog, for one.
Vin Sewell: i saw "TEXTURE" wrote, i thought you were distributing textures :-D
Orzga Aabye: has there been grid attacks? is that calmer now?
Saijanai Kuhn: he does that too
Al Sonic: What's up with Communicate then?
Saijanai Kuhn: What IS your job, Torley?
Al Sonic: The Chat History can be easily torn off of it. *does so.*
Kooky Jetaime: Al - Aside from the plethora of issues on the jira about it.
lufpleh Obstreperous: would have been nice to have a succesful launch of voice to the main grid,
Wyn Galbraith: Torley's job is to inspire watermelonis.
Torley Linden: My job's detailed in the wiki page in my profile. :)
Igel Hawks: wb Bridie
Saijanai Kuhn: nut important, I think he left
Torley Linden: WB Bridie!
Bridie Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden
Bridie Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden
Saijanai Kuhn: waqs trying to make the newborn feel welcome
Bridie Linden: Thx!
Kooky Jetaime: Torley, heres a good one you can research.. Why don't the firstlook branches ever get released as source code? It seems thats exactly the time that source out for devs would be most beneficial
Torley Linden: Thanks Bridie. :)
Torley Linden: Kooky: I agree making that more accessible in the future is a good idea; we're working on changing our release strategy. But I'd also bring that up with Rob Linden (who knows a lot more about Open Source than I).
Saijanai Kuhn: Vin if you're looking for people to help you with exploring the game, you might try the library or Manpower HQ
Kooky Jetaime: Before things are figuratively set in stone is when people have most leighway to add/change things before it affects the entire userbase
Torley Linden: He has office hours.
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Vin Sewell: hey Torley i have an interesting question please
Kooky Jetaime: When, its not on the google calendar
Torley Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours
Torley Linden: And in his profile.
Tree Kyomoon: crashy crashy crashy
Torley Linden: I'll update that wiki page, that Gcal is out of date.
Vin Sewell: does peolple here who work for Linden lab have necesseraly the name "Linden" ?
Tree Kyomoon: bork bork bork
Kooky Jetaime: ah..
Orzga Aabye: crasehd
Kooky Jetaime: yes Vin
Kooky Jetaime: I love the gCal honestly
Igel Hawks: they get renamed when assimilated
Henry Irwin: Heheh, you're an aspie too Torely?
Kooky Jetaime: it is clean and conceice and very "At a glance"able
Torley Linden: Yes, every single Linden employee has the last name Linden.
Vivienne Graves: yes...if someone tells you they work for LL and don't have the surname Linden you should file an abuse report
Igel Hawks: LOL
Torley Linden: Kooky: Pathfinder owns the Gcal so he was updating it, but he's been swamped lately.
Bridie Linden sings 'we are family...'
Sukozu Shan: it is also very unsecure, because with a decent search you can get alot of info from gcal
Kooky Jetaime: Ah
Orzga Aabye: sorryy vivienne i think i'm on your foot lol
Torley Linden: Henry: Yes.
Vivienne Graves: hehe..that's ok
Wyn Galbraith: Pathfinder is finding paths in Boston.
Vin Sewell: because i already met some idiots pride themself saying they work for Linden Lab for an excuse to not been reported you see
Jess Peralta: ao on
Torley Linden: Yes, there are some lame fakers.
Kooky Jetaime: Suzuko, considering the whole point, in this case, is dissemination of information, does security matter much?
Vin Sewell: and their name weren't Linden
Talarus Luan growls menacingly.
Wyn Galbraith: If their last name ain't Linden, then they're not.
Torley Linden: If someone claims to work for Linden and their last name isn't Linden, they're prolly fake.
Al Sonic: Hm. I crashed. While switching between Communicate tabs.
Kooky Jetaime: haha
cypress Rosewood: greeting Talarus
Torley Linden: A true Linden with alt accounts, if they wanted to share that info with you, could do so.
Wyn Galbraith: Hello Cypress!
Talarus Luan: Greetings, Cypress
Orzga Aabye: user error ... dont switch between communica tabs ..lol
Kooky Jetaime: I actually had somebody drop a box that was sending pseudo messages advisign of a sim-reboot
Henry Irwin: Same here, except I've not meant many people here who have it.
cypress Rosewood: hi Wyn.. :))
Kooky Jetaime: But most lindens who are on an alt, arn't gonna be working :)
Torley Linden: Kooky: Exactly. So simplest rule -- go by the last name Linden.
Vin Sewell: ok thx
Vin Sewell: but i guess that you can create an account as everybody to have another name than Linden right ?
Wyn Galbraith would think that Linden alts online would be playing!
Kooky Jetaime: Torley, do Linden Alts still have access to their LindenAbilities?
Wyn Galbraith: Linden is a reserved name. You have to be invited
Torley Linden: No they do not.
Orzga Aabye: SL .. where you can change everything but your name ..
Vin Sewell: ah ok
Kooky Jetaime: ok
Al Sonic: Qarl's place is built under the Qarl Fizz account apparently.
Torley Linden: Yes, Qarl Linden/Fizz are the same cool guy.
Vin Sewell: a guy called Slworld boa killed me just because i crossed his land .... :-D, he said he works for Linden, for maintenance :-D
Torley Linden: It's shameful the lengths some people will go to, to be deceitful... it's very sad and confusing. Only adds more trouble.
Talarus Luan: WOuld make more sense to not have privileged access on an alt account. That way you can test stuff without worrying if the test is being tainted by privilege
Kooky Jetaime: He won't kill you if he's a linden
Torley Linden: Vin: Gee, our land wranglers aren't that violent. :p
Torley Linden: Red warning flag right there!
Kooky Jetaime: I had someone do that to me.. I tp'ed in to visit a shop, was killed 4 times
Kooky Jetaime: and told not to come back.
Saijanai Kuhn gasps: I been Ruthed
Kooky Jetaime: ....idjuts....
Kooky Jetaime: Poor Sai has been ruthed
Talarus Luan: Yep, Saijani is a gurrrl :P
Igel Hawks: sweet
Talarus Luan: with a beard!
Torley Linden: Ruth is a beastly abomination.
Kooky Jetaime: Major sim issues here..thank god theres a rolling restart in progress
Saijanai Kuhn: where'e my beard.
Saijanai Kuhn: No wai, where's the REST of me???
Igel Hawks: you look so cute Sai
Vin Sewell: btw is that Police Bottler true ? becasue i already reported so many idiots for different reason and i never saw anything about them in the police bottler ...
Torley Linden: Vin: That Police Blotter is incomplete (doesn't show all offenses) and somewhat stale.
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - I am concerned though, that with an issue of this magintude, lost inventory) that islands arn't beeing included in the rolling....
Al Sonic: Bottler? XD
Talarus Luan: Police Blotter is not all incidents. Just a random smpling, almost
Daedalus Young: we all end up Ruthed now
Henry Irwin: Once I was in a place and I complained that my hud was being gay, the all of the sudden I'm banned for making "homophobic remarks."
Torley Linden: Kooky: We posted that island owners are free to initiate their own restarts.
Vin Sewell: ah
Kooky Jetaime: Hrm.
Saijanai Kuhn: well, you should have simply said it was happy
Torley Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/03/do-not-rez-no-copy-objects-without-land-permissions/
Al Sonic: Politically incorrect, yes...
Kooky Jetaime: Yea..but something this severe should just be forced as it used to be.
Kooky Jetaime: or is it a 1 hour window?
Vin Sewell: well that guy i was talking about has not been ban anyway, i know it
Kooky Jetaime: Vin - the abuse reports are on a major delay
Torley Linden: Kooky: Not sure if we're going to enforce it, but strange but true, some island owners get very unhappy over not having control over a fix like this.
Kooky Jetaime: usually its a week before I get my follow up email.
Orzga Aabye: clothes seem to be pretty robust .. they stay on even when atachemtns cnat' rez
Orzga Aabye: it has consquences for PG sims ..
Saijanai Kuhn: there I am
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - in general, I understand giving owners the ability to schedule their restarts
Saijanai Kuhn: I think it is a prelude for the Hetgrid procedure
Kooky Jetaime: but some times there are impending issues that require it to be done.. Losing inventory I consider one of them
Torley Linden: *nod*
Kooky Jetaime: If you had to hard down the grid like you did a few days ago, you don't give those sims the opportunity to "close when you feel like it"
Torley Linden: Yes, I know what ya mean.
Vin Sewell: how long the delay ? a month later :-D
Torley Linden: Psyra, that's a great hat. :)
Kooky Jetaime: Because ultimately, its us, the users who visit there, not knowing the sim hasn't been restarted, and we lose inventory
Torley Linden: And a little bird on top -- it plays with my sense of scale.
Saijanai Kuhn: Mono has been romised for 3 years now. It is probably comoing out in 2 months
Psyra Extraordinaire: Thank-a-you. :>
Wyn Galbraith oops
Saijanai Kuhn: *promised for 3 years
Kooky Jetaime: I'm getting scared... I keeep getting closer to Torley
Saijanai Kuhn: the world is shrinking
Psyra Extraordinaire: There is safely in melons.
Kooky Jetaime: AHHHH.... I'm gonna turn into a watermelon arn't I
Vivienne Graves: well, some sim owners will do regular restarts anyway to address performance issues...especially in heavy-traffic, high-lag sims
Saijanai Kuhn: Wasn't there a Dr. Who episode about that?
Talarus Luan: Greetings Psyra
Psyra Extraordinaire: Y'are what y'eat
Wyn Galbraith: Got to be careful what you touch in here.
Talarus Luan doesn't eat kin. :P
Kooky Jetaime: "Are you my mommy?"
Psyra Extraordinaire: Well, there's also Infinate Imporbability Drive accidents.
Tree Kyomoon: actually all the atoms in the universe get smaller every year
Kooky Jetaime: er .. mummy
Kooky Jetaime: ok
JayR Cela: Saij You can have my seat
Vin Sewell: well, thanks for your answers :-)
Psyra Extraordinaire: it's so quiet, everyone must be on voice, since mine doesn't want to work (it's on but it won't connect to the chat server) :(
Vin Sewell: have a nice day all
Talarus Luan: Fare well, Vin :)
Igel Hawks: Bye Vin
JayR Cela: Bye-byee everyone / see ya-all next week
Kooky Jetaime: bye Jay
Talarus Luan: Take care, JayR
Kooky Jetaime: Oh
Walker Moore: battered ruth dropping in
Torley Linden: Bye bye!
Kooky Jetaime: if anyone wants to try Avatar Chess.. IM Me
Kooky Jetaime: hehehe
Kooky Jetaime: Tired of Ruth
Kooky Jetaime: I should ruth myself
Igel Hawks: Hi Luf
Walker Moore: i've been ruthed for hours. :/
Walker Moore: anyway, carry on. don't let me interrupt. :D
Kooky Jetaime: uhm
lufpleh Obstreperous: Hi Igel
Torley Linden: OK -- Kooky, I was suspicious about what you mentioned earlier...
Torley Linden: so I just checked with Joshua Linden and confirmed...
Kooky Jetaime: why don't you redress yourself then?
Psyra Extraordinaire: *relogs*
Torley Linden: YES, private estates are mandatorily being restarted too.
Kooky Jetaime: Hrm? which what that I mentioned
Talarus Luan: It's rather disturbing and unsettling to go from me to a hairless ape female. I get quite cranky. ;P
Kooky Jetaime: oh ok
Orzga Aabye: is there a boy Ruth? or is it really the one ruth?
Igel Hawks: Oh man, it is a long time I have seen yoou Luf
Torley Linden: But, they can restart earlier if they wish.
Igel Hawks: There is just the one and only Ruth
Tree Kyomoon: /should be a skeleton ruth
Torley Linden: THERE IS ONLY RUTH
Torley Linden: Freaky, isn't it?
Vivienne Graves: One Ruth to bind them...
Igel Hawks: ... and make them cry
Tree Kyomoon: all colors bleed to ruth
Walker Moore: when they said I could have manboobs in second life, I didn't think they meant permanently. :D
Talarus Luan: But of course!
Torley Linden: Hahaha the wackiness of avatars.
Walker Moore: this is my punishment for being naughty on the forums.
Talarus Luan: ..or as permanent as you want, aside from the occasional forced transform. :P
Walker Moore: no ban. just boobs.
Al Sonic: XD
Orzga Aabye: up crash #2 .. must hav been that burger for lunch ..
Tree Kyomoon: anyone seen an avatar that was JUST boobs?
Daedalus Young: crash #2? you're lucky
Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype
Daedalus Young: I'm just back from #4 or so
Orzga Aabye: really ?
Kooky Jetaime: Ok
Walker Moore: lol Tree. making me think of a certain Woody Allen movie.
Kooky Jetaime: Manditory Restart
Vivienne Graves: I've seen one that was mostly boobs (prim breasts = scary)
Kooky Jetaime: done did me in
Sukozu Shan: meh, only crash #3 here
Orzga Aabye: ibook g4 here w/ latest SL rev ..
Tree Kyomoon: like when Peter Griffin became mrs. garrets rack from the "facts of life"
Orzga Aabye: 10.4.10
Daedalus Young: intel Mac, latest viewer too
Kooky Jetaime: I think Nicholas has a bad version
Kooky Jetaime: second crash today
Walker Moore: think i'll try to relog for the gazillionth time. :p
Daedalus Young: I'd like to downgrade if this continues
Talarus Luan: Just change your av and change back
Torley Linden: OK Kooky, thanks for the heads-up! Blog post is updated to clarify.
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ooop, I'm only halfrezzed.
Torley Linden: Ugh, crashes. :\
lufpleh Obstreperous thinks SL a lot more stable since all the memory leak fixes
Vivienne Graves: try reverting to the Nicholaz 18e release then?
Daedalus Young: that's pc only
Kooky Jetaime: Vivienne - I'll take the crashes and keep sending the dump logs... rather get it fixed right
Kooky Jetaime: Love Nick's version
Torley Linden: It's great, what Nick is doing.
Talarus Luan: Yeah, unless the crashlogger doesn't detect and come up. :-/
Torley Linden: He's like St. Nick of patches.
Kooky Jetaime: He is considering making a voice viewer while retaining the pre-voice IM/Chat windows
Bridie Linden: lol
Walker Moore: so i relog, but i'm still ruthed, only this time my money says "loading" and my inventory has 0 items. ah well.
lufpleh Obstreperous: whoopy for tha Kooky
Walker Moore: oh and someone stole my shoes. :D
Torley Linden: One of my longtime gripes with the IM window has been horizontal tabs.
Orzga Aabye: the Communicate panel is a bit overloaded wrt human factors IMFAO
Tree Kyomoon: someone keeps moving my chair!
Psyra Extraordinaire: they shift
Talarus Luan: Was kinda wondering who would really have the first real "fork" of the viewer codebase.. looks like the voice feature will be the most incentive so far
Psyra Extraordinaire: as people sit/unsit. :D
Psyra Extraordinaire: Alwyas one extra chair. :D
Torley Linden: Horizontal tabs are unnatural for longer lists (e.g., if you IM a lot of people). Wish we had a vertical tab option for those.
Torley Linden: Orgza: How do you mean, human factors?
Orzga Aabye: it feels like a multi gaget
Psyra Extraordinaire: Time to port to Smith and collect the rest of me. :D
Torley Linden: There is a bizarre clash between displaying Friends vertically and IM tabs horizontally.
Al Sonic: Ah, yeah... there should be UI options like that.
Orzga Aabye: i need to touch just the right button
Psyra Extraordinaire: Oop, no map. :(
Torley Linden: I routinely have Firefox open with 50 tabs. Horizontal tabs? No screen wide enough! Multi-rows? Looks messy. So I opted for Widefox.
Saijanai Kuhn: Yeah, Zha Ewry was pointing that out to me
Orzga Aabye: ok .. so i can pay someone via the communica panel.. is that logical?
Daedalus Young: crash #I-lost-count
Torley Linden: BTW Daedalus, Coco Linden just mentioned crashing with no warning too...
Daedalus Young: oh ok thanks
Torley Linden: looks like something's up, and I know how much Coco detest those crashes.
Torley Linden: *detests
Saijanai Kuhn: me 2x here in the past 20 minutes
Torley Linden: So it's likely not just you -- thanks Sai.
Torley Linden: Sai, what kind of computer you on?
Saijanai Kuhn: OTher people say they enable voice and go BOOM!
Saijanai Kuhn: Mac G5
Torley Linden: Coco's crashing on a Dell PC.
Torley Linden: K...
Talarus Luan: First time I have crashed all day here; My mate has the voice viewer, and she crashed around twice an hour on average yesterday.
Sukozu Shan: I'm crashing on a 8 year old amd
Daedalus Young: I had a crash earlier today when I just had Voice
Torley Linden: Coco's going to use her dev skillz and dig deeper into this.
Torley Linden: Gonna see if she can debug it.
Daedalus Young: and now I'm crashing since start of the Office Hour
Daedalus Young: lots of avs
Torley Linden: I'm going to see how much I crash over the weekend.
Saijanai Kuhn: tell her I tried disabling the firewall on the mac and rebooted and still no voice
Talarus Luan: Now it's Cypress' turn to be Ruthed! *takes snapshots* :P
Psyra Extraordinaire: Heh.
Torley Linden: "The ruthing of"... :O
Igel Hawks: me
Talarus Luan: Oops. I scared him off. Dang. :P
Torley Linden: Walker, nice title.
Torley Linden: By the way Walker, thanks for helping us out re: Facebook awhile back.
Orzga Aabye: well at last LL is not RUth -less
Walker Moore: lol. ty Torley (^_~)
Daedalus Young: I want a Ruth in my Library
Torley Linden: Some Lindens kept going "Wow that was clever!"
Psyra Extraordinaire: Our of curiosity, was wondering, for folks that ran Windlight when it as available, if they noticed if the ambient light from it tended to shaded landscape perfectly, but didn't affect prims at all. Was wondering if it might have been my video card.
Walker Moore: oh..you're welcome. I wasn't sure whether you'd consider it a big deal. (^_~)
Torley Linden: :)
Walker Moore: did you get it fixed?
Kooky Jetaime: Another crash
Kooky Jetaime: wtf
Talarus Luan: Must have been.. it really borked out the lighting on prims, avatars, land, etc
Kooky Jetaime: Ok
Saijanai Kuhn: try turning off voice if it is enabled
Tree Kyomoon: another crash for me too
Torley Linden: It's appreciated. I like the ^_~ emoticon too. Well, at present, Facebook doesn't have an ideal fix, but I talked to them directly and they'll help us remove anyone who doesn't belong in the group.
Sukozu Shan: hm. I just thought of a question. is there a way, via scripting, I dont know, to make the volume of a room bigger than the actual room? I'm new to this is just off the top of my head.
Kooky Jetaime: Nich's edition, no voice
Torley Linden: So it's manual instead of automatic, but they were pretty cool about it.
lufpleh Obstreperous: whens windlight scheduled for another outing
Torley Linden: Psyra -- that was buggy.
Psyra Extraordinaire: I got a great pic with a nice sky and all but then realized the linden plants and prim landscape features were still lighted default in the "non-windlight" colors.
Torley Linden: Psyra, that changed a lot since then... I had similar probs.
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ahhh good.
Torley Linden: We've had a number of bugs with that in WindLight, like trees were shaded wrong.
Walker Moore: ah ok. i have too much time on my hands, noticing glitches like that. lol
Torley Linden: That doesn't mean there aren't any more, but yes, we have seen that, and not just you, Psyra. :)
Talarus Luan: I went up to my skybox at 750m, and there was *no* sky.
Kooky Jetaime: Walker - don't feel bad, I've probably submitted 20 bug reps on LSLEditor
Psyra Extraordinaire: It made Avaria's cliffs look all dark red while the rest of the sim was a beautiful shade of rust. :D
Orzga Aabye: did the models change a lot w/ indlight?
Torley Linden: Shiny also sucked in early WindLight but now, the shiny map rulez in comparison. It's a big change, but looks... "shinier".
Orzga Aabye: eg now there are cloud models ..
Al Sonic: Yeah, that seems a well-known bug with the old windlight.
Torley Linden: Psyra: I remember that because I dig those cliffs a lot, the whole scenery.
Torley Linden: Orgza: Yes, completely new.
Al Sonic: Limited sky height.
Psyra Extraordinaire: We just added a fourth sim. ^^
Tree Kyomoon: can we make things that have reflectivity in the new windlight?
Talarus Luan: Grendel's?
Tree Kyomoon: as in, a reflectivity texture?
Kooky Jetaime: Tree - if "Dynamic Reflections is any indication..whoo hoo
Psyra Extraordinaire: So time to go crazy. And maybe the idea of a "time lapse development" would be neat.
Torley Linden: Tree: Not yet, dynamic reflections is still "in the works"; well it was put aside for awhile, but, you can definitely have reflective water with supported hardware.
Torley Linden: Psyra: That's a super idea.
Tree Kyomoon would love to see refraction and reflection in SL
Psyra Extraordinaire: Well, you can use the dynamic reflections from debug.
Kooky Jetaime: I just hope they don't make shiny reflective...
Saijanai Kuhn: Torley for a different way of implemnting mirrors, check out the portals in Corquet
Kooky Jetaime: one of the initial reflection complaints was that
Torley Linden: Psyra: Yeah, does that work for you? It's known to be unstable (hence why it's there) and it crashes me.
Psyra Extraordinaire: I rather liked it, you could make beautiful chrome that way!
Talarus Luan: I doubt SL can do portals.
Kooky Jetaime gives Saijanai a round of applause.. you can work Croquet into anything, cant' ya?
Psyra Extraordinaire: It works, but if it's "active" it causes incredible lag, since technically it's rendering everything twice.
Saijanai Kuhn: a SL-compatible way would be to embed a camera view into a prim
Talarus Luan: Portals require a bit of preprocessing
Kooky Jetaime: Reflections.. or water effects.. All those existing Stargates would look infinately cooler.
Torley Linden: We are hoping to use more graphics card shader tech... take advantage of beautiful effects like many games.
Daedalus Young: would be great for HUDs
Tree Kyomoon: yay torley!
Psyra Extraordinaire: When it was in the live viewer however you could enable it, get the first "map" and then disable it again, and it would stop updating the reflection map but leave it solid, so it performed way better and still reflected..... it just didn't reflect dynamic changes then
Orzga Aabye: yeah for CG ....
Torley Linden: Yeah, like we're eventually hoping for a more versatile Materials system... anyone play with NVIDIA FX Composer 2? Free download.
Orzga Aabye: things are moving so fast in graphics ...
Psyra Extraordinaire: the debug one though, if you disable it the map is turned off after a few seconds.
Torley Linden: That sort of flexibility would be nice to have in SL.
Walker Moore: oh what's that? (NVIDIA FX Computer)
Walker Moore: composer* even
Torley Linden: Psyra: I wish that even worked for me in Debug Settings again.
Walker Moore: :D
Psyra Extraordinaire: I'll see what happens when I update my machine, going to a nice GF9600 card.
Tree Kyomoon: what kind of graphics card are you running Torley?
Psyra Extraordinaire: afk, pasta ready. ^^
Al Sonic: Well didn't they say there'd be that kind of setting? Like,
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - nVidia is doing some wild things lately. they are selling a desk server that does 2 TerraFLOPS of processing power now
Torley Linden: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/fx_composer_home.html -- let's you create special effects intended to be used as parts of fuller projects.
Talarus Luan: nVidia's free demo development tool for their video cards.
Torley Linden: I'm on NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT, an adequate hi-mid-range card.
Walker Moore: thanks for the link =)
Talarus Luan: ATI has one
Torley Linden: Kooky: What's the name of that thing? I heard about that.
Vivienne Graves: I'm still on ATI...which doesn't play well at all with Linux...very frustrating
Talarus Luan is an ATI user. :P
Kooky Jetaime: Let me look torley
Kooky Jetaime: I'm on a 6800 and do just fine in SL
Tree Kyomoon: do you have a higher end one on another machine for windlight and stuff?
Kooky Jetaime: right now I'm at 15fps with a 128m draw
Tree Kyomoon: I have the 7950 and it is sa mokin!
Al Sonic: a midway setting to render stationary objects in reflections but not moving ones. I think I heard there'd be such options.
Torley Linden: No, this is my main computer. It's pretty mid-range, altho I'm planning to get a new one soon.
Torley Linden: I like to have something good but reasonably typical...
Walker Moore: my shirt turned into a strapless top now? :/
Daedalus Young: I have 25 fps with avatar rendering turned off
Al Sonic: Er, read, heard, I easily confuse the two.
Walker Moore: i'm having a bad day
Torley Linden: I don't believe in using supercomputers for everyday SL because that's not what most people will experience here.
Talarus Luan: 8fps, but with everything turned up pretty high :)
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - its called Tesla
Torley Linden: Kooky: Ah yes that's it!
Saijanai Kuhn: NVIDIA FX Composer 2 is PC-only
Talarus Luan: Yes, most of those tools are
Tree Kyomoon: Ooooo folks must go..big musical performer in SL starting now....
Torley Linden: I like tools that are easy to get into and rewarding on much deeper levels.
Tree Kyomoon: http://slurl.com/secondlife/audio/134/128/31
Torley Linden: Thanks Tree for coming by!
Kooky Jetaime: oh, also, Windowed & Maximized, 1280x1024, running on primary monitor of a dual-monitor config, all details turned to the max
Torley Linden: Wow, there's a region called Audio?
Kooky Jetaime: if anyones keeping track
Torley Linden: Cool Kooky.
Vivienne Graves: 8fps with everything on high and AA/AF to max on an ATI X800XT here
Saijanai Kuhn: so when are you going to play with Quartz Composer?
Torley Linden: What resolutions are each of us on here?
Talarus Luan: 1280x960 :)
Daedalus Young: 800x600
Vivienne Graves: 1600x1200
Torley Linden: Saijanai: If I use my Mac more, maybe... ;)
Torley Linden: I usually get into tools out of sheer need...
Torley Linden: e.g., Sculptypaint because of sculptie prims.
Al Sonic: 1280x1024.
Igel Hawks: 1920x1200
Sukozu Shan: 800x600 in window mode on an ancient ati radeon 9200se
Daedalus Young: are there stats of people's window sizes?
Talarus Luan: Yeah, I don't have time to just play right now :-/
Saijanai Kuhn: Composer is part of the xcode distribution which is free with the mac
Tree Kyomoon: oops scratch that
Psyra Extraordinaire: I've started playing with Wings 3D. Rather nice for free.
Tree Kyomoon: false alarm...wrong performance :)
Torley Linden: K, I'm on 1600x1200 (dual monitor), was just curious. Generally people are on 1280x1024 or 1024x768 on the web, but not sure how that correlates with SL stats.
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - what amazes me, is the fact that GPU's are quickly going to surpass existing CPUs.. so there has to some sort of a shift comming....
Tree Kyomoon: Im in SL on a 38" LCD...only way to go
Daedalus Young: I can't do much in Wings, I'm used to Blender :P
Psyra Extraordinaire: Mmmm
Torley Linden: Holy moly Tree.
Daedalus Young: hard to make that switch
Psyra Extraordinaire: I have to settle with a mere 21 inches. :D
Torley Linden: I found Blender tricky to use, but if you're good with it, that's great.
Orzga Aabye: 800x600
Kooky Jetaime: Hmmmmm I'd get shot if I hooked up to our 42" LCD
Kooky Jetaime: but I'll have to try it sometime...
Tree Kyomoon: wireless keyboard, about 6 feet away on my recliner
Saijanai Kuhn: GPUs are already faster than CPUs
Psyra Extraordinaire: Now now, a recliner is not a proper healthy computing position. :D
Torley Linden: Hahaa, recliner?
Orzga Aabye: that doesn't seem right .. to res is found in Pref's?
Torley Linden: Is that living the high life or what?
Daedalus Young: yeah, I know all the keystrokes for Blender, and know what it can do
Tree Kyomoon: yes, im a spoiled brat
Tree Kyomoon: :)
Torley Linden: That pays off, being so well-into a tool.
Orzga Aabye: the resolution used is that in Prferences?
Torley Linden: Orgza: Yeah it doesn't display your ACTUAL current resolution.
Vivienne Graves: and have far more transistors, too, since the last-gen GPUs, actually (Geforce 6-series and ATI X series)
Al Sonic: ERm, you sure reclining isn't in fact the most healthy?
Tree Kyomoon: Im an orca dork
Orzga Aabye: ok .. this looks like 1024 x whetever-is-right
Torley Linden: It's amazing how advanced, and importantly, CHEAP some technology is getting.
Talarus Luan: Yeah, I am running windowed ;)
Torley Linden: Current hard drives can go for so affordable!
Kooky Jetaime: Oh, before everyone disbands, Avatar Chess tommorrow, in "Kula 4".. every person is a piece, you don't need to know how to play.. its about 2 hours of fun though... Join the Red Team and help us out!
Tree Kyomoon: oh yes, my setup was under 1500 bucks
Torley Linden: That sounds pretty neat Kooky!
Kooky Jetaime: </end_shameless_plug>
Torley Linden: *sings the theme*
Torley Linden: Reminds me of The Prisoner.
Orzga Aabye: memory caught up to phys addr space .. who'd thought that woudl happen again?
Vivienne Graves: I added a 320GB drive not long ago...7200 RPM, 16MB cache, and it was less than US$80
Torley Linden: Ahhh I've got to go for now. Thanks each and all of you for coming to my Office Hour. Hope you have a lovely weekend. :)
Al Sonic: Yup, windowed.
Tree Kyomoon: thanks torley!
Walker Moore: you too Torley. =)
Kooky Jetaime: Orzga - We'll never need more than 640KB of RAM... EVER
Talarus Luan: Okies. Thanks Torley :)
Kooky Jetaime chuckles
Al Sonic: Okay Torley, G'bye!
Tree Kyomoon: so nice to talk toyou today!
Igel Hawks: Have a nice weekend Torley!
Vivienne Graves: you too, Torley...bye
Psyra Extraordinaire: "The bishop came to our office today." "Yeah?" "Total faker though. Never once moved diagonally."
Saijanai Kuhn: Later torley
Orzga Aabye: :-) specially not for Vista
Igel Hawks: see you next week
Torley Linden: G"bye fer now! Hahaha... can never have too much RAM... unless your operating system is 32-bit... ;)
Sukozu Shan: weekend?! its weekend already? I was thinking monday night, but weekend/!
Torley Linden: HAHAHAHA!
Kooky Jetaime: Roflol Psyra
Torley Linden: Byebye!