User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2007-11-02
6 AM
Torley Linden: Hello everyone!
Torley Linden: I am here!
Georgette Whitfield: Oooh there he is
Vicero Lambert: poof
Georgette Whitfield: Hoooooo!
Torley Linden: Just have arrived. ^_^
Torley Linden: Good to see you all!
Georgette Whitfield: Hiyas
Vicero Lambert: :-D
Randal Kline: hi melon disciple
Georgette Whitfield: Hehehe you are still melon disciple
Torley Linden: Who's here already? *looks at Randal, Vicero, Georgette, Morph*
Torley Linden: Yes, hahaha...
Torley Linden: it was just too fun a title to change.
Georgette Whitfield: You should keep your group
Georgette Whitfield: See how many members you get
Torley Linden: Thanks for coming and visiting me at my office hour! I have some topics of my own to bring up but if you have something you'd like to discuss, feel free.
Torley Linden: Georgette: Great idea, I plan to...
Georgette Whitfield: k
Georgette Whitfield: Woot I will sign up
Vicero Lambert loves the avatar torley has
Torley Linden: :D
Vicero Lambert: great new look
Morph Wollongong: lolz multi-melon
Georgette Whitfield: I got cantaloue but no watermelon yet
Torley Linden: I'm a "Melonkip" apparently.
Torley Linden: Thanks!
Torley Linden: Haha.
Georgette Whitfield: Needs watermelon
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Phli
Georgette Whitfield: Awesome AV
Phli Foxchase: Hi :)
Vicero Lambert: test
Torley Linden: Phli! OHHH nice... pins in a doll?
Torley Linden: I see your test, Vicero.
Georgette Whitfield: That gotta hurt
Morph Wollongong: hi phil. who's voodoo do you do?
Vicero Lambert: ty slightly has a net crash
Torley Linden: Can I take a picture, Phli? Even if you're continuing to suffer?
Torley Linden: Hehe.
Phli Foxchase: oki
Vicero Lambert: torley I have more of a single question then a actual disscussion
Torley Linden: Haha i notice your eyes moving too.
Vicero Lambert: or shall I say 2
Torley Linden: Sure Vicero. Ask!
Vicero Lambert: k
Vicero Lambert: 1, Whats the proccess on getting a colum added to the database for developer features on open source. Because zero never awnsered that question. 2, whats the proccess or contact for getting a item added to the library in inventory for default items.
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Reno
Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype
Reno Negulesco: Hi
Georgette Whitfield: Jo Chaos
Vicero Lambert: hello again signpost
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Signpost
SignpostMarv Martin: boo
Chaos Mohr: Hi Georgette
Torley Linden: Hm, for (1) I don't know, Zero would know that better than I... and (2) That sounds like something Community Team (which I'm on) would be involved in, BUT... we don't have a formal process. What do you want to have added and why? :)
Georgette Whitfield: Wow no girls here apart from me just geek guys hoooooo
Torley Linden: Heya Reno, Marv!
Georgette Whitfield: Hoooooo!
Vicero Lambert: I would like to have a complex form camera added onto the default library
Torley Linden: For example, we have added things to the Library like varied avatars because they became needed as part of a new registration process...
Vicero Lambert: its a studio camera
Torley Linden: or having the Torch added because of the revamped Orientation Island flow.
Georgette Whitfield: Hi JetZep
Torley Linden: What are the benefits of the camera?
Torley Linden: Hiya JetZep!
Georgette Whitfield: Cutey
Torley Linden: Welcome everyone who just arrived. :)
JetZep Zabelin: Hi =)
Vicero Lambert: I origionaly created it as a demo project but would like peopel to use it because some peopel start studios in sl but dont have the resources or money to afford a complex good lookign camera
Torley Linden: Sculptie German shepherd?
SignpostMarv Martin invites Torley to view marv's latest blip.tv video to view watermelony glowing goodness: http://signpostmarv.blip.tv/file/454452/
JetZep Zabelin: this is a freebie av from I AM Legend: Survival
JetZep Zabelin: one of the characters
Rails Bailey: Script run-time error
Rails Bailey: Stack-Heap Collision
JetZep Zabelin: =)
Vicero Lambert gave you 24x HDTV Studio Camera.
Georgette Whitfield: Oooh me wants
Torley Linden: I'll check that URL out...
Vicero Lambert: thats a copy of it if your interested
JetZep Zabelin: amazing for a freebie eh
Torley Linden: Oh yes JetZep, I enjoyed visiting there!
Torley Linden: And Vicero, thanks a lot...
Phli Foxchase: Torley, do you know how to contact Frontier Linden, I really need his Bear :)
Vicero Lambert: main ressioning is because I dont see any electronic devices as default libraryitems
Vicero Lambert: and some items are outdated
Georgette Whitfield: Hi new pppl
Jon Haskell: hi
Vicero Lambert: would be interesting to see a refresh in library items because people have learned allot from when some of those items were added
Torley Linden: I think part of the problem of adding a process to have new items put into the library is because everyone interested would want to put a LOT of freebies in there.
Georgette Whitfield: Ty Jet
Torley Linden: Phli: I usually IM him or write to frontier@lindenlab.com ;)
Vicero Lambert: ah kk
Torley Linden: In the future, I'd like to see a better inworld freebie search...
Torley Linden: so if you looked for "camera" you could easily get this.
Torley Linden: (As an example.)
Randal Kline: some multi-language help notecards would be cool too
Torley Linden: Part of overall better search too.
SignpostMarv Martin: objects set to show in search that are buyable for L$0 or set to "anyone can copy" :-P
Vicero Lambert: possible for the new search feature coming out
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Gumby cool group title
Gumby Roffo: TY
Torley Linden: Randal: I wish that a notecard could have tabs if it was provided in different languages, like how some websites have language links. But what specifically are you thinking of?
Gumby Roffo: evening all
SignpostMarv Martin: Randal: the wiki is better suited to multi-lingual stuffages than notecards are
Torley Linden: Marv: There you have it, we're moving on a path towards that...
Gumby Roffo: hope the move went OK Torley
Randal Kline: not many goto the wikis
Torley Linden still has to get more acquainted with our new search changes ever since I got back.
Torley Linden: Thanks Gumby! It did, thanks. One of my monitors broke but it had been ailing before the move, so I got a new budget Dell one... pretty good for the price tho.
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: CSS 3 selectors can be used to render a tabbed interface on a multi-lingual HTML document
Georgette Whitfield: Wow what language was that?
Phli Foxchase: ^^
Georgette Whitfield: muahahaha!
Torley Linden: Hehe.
Vicero Lambert is so used to the technical meetings lol
JetZep Zabelin: maybe a notecard with links to the wiki
SignpostMarv Martin: and since Gecko supports CSS 3 selectors, and the new "media library" blurbs = in-world HTML, notecards will hopefully be going bye-bye :-P
Torley Linden: Oh gosh Marv, that's a crazy avatar!
Georgette Whitfield: Freaky!
Torley Linden: I would hope so longterm, Marv...
SignpostMarv Martin: re-textured chess piece that Dirk gave to me :-P
Torley Linden: Notecards aren't a very rich experience.
Georgette Whitfield: Hey I like notecards lol
Torley Linden: Haha, very fun!
SignpostMarv Martin: notecards are obsolete as soon as they're distributed
Georgette Whitfield: Huh?
Vicero Lambert: we should all start a moorse code communication line lol
SignpostMarv Martin remembers when the "languages spoken list" for volunteers was handed out in a notecard
SignpostMarv Martin: peeps had 5 different versions
Torley Linden: Hahaha, or speak via virtual cans?
Vicero Lambert surprised no one has done moose code in sl
Vicero Lambert: lol
SignpostMarv Martin: then I migrated it to the wiki :-P
Georgette Whitfield: Ah I see what you mean Marv
Torley Linden: It shouldn't be that hard to do Morse code tho, eh?
Vicero Lambert: yea just beeps and bops
SignpostMarv Martin: then LL seemed to catch on to what I was doing and made the Mentor Linguist role :-P
Torley Linden: As long as there wouldn't be that much latency with sound...
Torley Linden: "Mentor Linguist" sounds like a wicked title.
Georgette Whitfield: Someone said I should be a mentor
JetZep Zabelin: Hehe we could have a SL language that results from this mix of all languages around the world
Torley Linden: JetZep: It might be kinda Esperanto from the sound of it!
Rails Bailey: its worth it georgette
SignpostMarv Martin has Mentor Scribe
Vicero Lambert: jet that would be sweet
Jon Haskell: dog talk?
Georgette Whitfield: I'm thinking about it
Jon Haskell: nice av btw
Torley Linden: Hehe, "In Second Life, the dogs talk!"
JetZep Zabelin: i guess it would resemble english a lot since thats the main language now
Georgette Whitfield: Meow beep yayzerama woot woot fic lag gah
SignpostMarv Martin wonders why Torley has voice chat disabled
SignpostMarv Martin: ^on teh parcel
Torley Linden: I remember a time when we hadn't yet paid much attention to internationalization, and wow, looking at how things are now...
JetZep Zabelin: dogs meow too lol
Vicero Lambert: yea whys voice disabled lol
Georgette Whitfield: woof woot
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: Marv, no particular reason. Sometimes it's on, sometimes not... right now, it's because my Office Hours are text...
Torley Linden: that could change in the future if there's demand!
Vicero Lambert: ah
Georgette Whitfield: Me sprog SL talkdom fic long tag
Torley Linden: Hahahah what!??
JetZep Zabelin: and Torley Olmstead is BANNED! =D
Torley Linden: Yeah I had to ban my alt, unpleasant consequences of the spacetime continuum.
Georgette Whitfield: I'm going to speak SL lingo all day long
Torley Linden: I mean, gosh, look at that ridiculous profile, how could I be so forgiving...
JetZep Zabelin: hehee
Vicero Lambert laughs
Georgette Whitfield: sniff torley ickle ping
Torley Linden: Haha Georgette, are you making up the language?
Georgette Whitfield: Yupperz
Georgette Whitfield: That's yes
Georgette Whitfield: LOL
Vicero Lambert: could make a wiki for it :)
SignpostMarv Martin: I'm hoping the devs don't try fudging HTML into the notecard asset
Torley Linden: By the way, who here isn't familiar with our visual updating of Second Life's UI, AKA "Dazzle"?
Georgette Whitfield: freak a sproganoonoo
SignpostMarv Martin: AKA "Aqua" :-P
Rails Bailey: speak english torley
Phli Foxchase: I'm using it Torley
Rails Bailey: hands on person here
Vicero Lambert surpised he hasent heard of it lol
SignpostMarv Martin: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Visual_Update
Morph Wollongong: so what is the benefits of this "Dazzle" you speak of?
Torley Linden: Right onnnn... well if you haven't heard of it yet, you can try it in progress!
Torley Linden: Thanks for the link, Marv!
Georgette Whitfield: sprik slingo pweaz
SignpostMarv Martin: MUHAHAHAA
Morph Wollongong: *are
Phli Foxchase: group chat appears white on white
Torley Linden: The goals of the project are summarized there, but basically: better viewer aesthetics helping to facilitate other usability improvements.
Torley Linden: Phli: I think most IMs are hard to read currently, but we're making more changes...
Jon Haskell: i am new to this but there are lots of new 3d progs out there ,are there plans to introduce plug ins or higher res imports for such progs as zbush etc
SignpostMarv Martin wonders why, if the UI is XML based, that the viewer isn't skinnable via CSS
Gumby Roffo: Just starting to learn about DAZ #d
Gumby Roffo: 3D
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley ?
Torley Linden: Jon: Well right now I know some really crafty people are exporting Maya creations and bringing them into SL as sculpties with scripts to assemble and auto-align them.
Torley Linden: Marv: I don't know specifically why, but perhaps we just haven't gotten there *yet*? :)
Torley Linden: Some of the more advanced sculptie creations I've seen inworld are pretty detailed... Qarl Linden's ant, for one.
SignpostMarv Martin: would be nice to know if we're heading there :-P
Jon Haskell: yeah ok , koool! but maya is not cheap...
Georgette Whitfield: Hi new arrivals
Torley Linden: Georgette I like the hair colors and Bjork shirt.
Vicero Lambert: once the servers are open source there will be a large improvement in new features
Torley Linden: Hello hello!
SignpostMarv Martin: what's happening with Qarl's proposal to convert a multi-prim object into a sculptie ?
Georgette Whitfield: Sprikken zie slingo meep?
Gumby Roffo: you should pop over to YEP! island and have a look at the sculptie mechs
Georgette Whitfield: ty ty torley
Gumby Roffo: there very well done
Jon Haskell: sounds good
Georgette Whitfield: I went goth for a few days for fun
Torley Linden: Marv: Oh, I haven't heard new process on that, I would really like that too.
Georgette Whitfield: Normally I look like Naomi Campbell lol
Vicero Lambert: I have a server in my rack ready to host 2 islands
Torley Linden: Marv, I reckon you're familiar with the Resident-created efforts to convert existing multi-prim objects into sculpties?
SignpostMarv Martin: yar
Vicero Lambert: going to reserve a T1 sometime in 2008 to get read for zeros plans
Georgette Whitfield: Yar this a good word for the Slingo dico
Randal Kline: is LL looking at uisng OpenSocial for its website?
Torley Linden: But yeah, re: Dazzle, if you want to try it out and see what it looks like, be sure to go to https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Visual_Update and let us know what you think. :)
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Georgette Whitfield: WD Marv
Ryder Dryke: woohooo hello everybody!
SignpostMarv Martin: ??
Jon Haskell: ty
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Ryder
Vicero Lambert: hi ryder
Gumby Roffo: G'DAY MATE !!
Ryder Dryke waves around
Georgette Whitfield: Woof woot Ryder
Georgette Whitfield: Sprikken zie slingo meep?
Phli Foxchase: Do you plan a new upadte for Dazzle in the nexte weeks ?
Torley Linden: G'dayyyy!
Torley Linden: Hahaha "slingo meep"!??
Ryder Dryke: hehe i never had a seat before here :)
Torley Linden: I think it's called Devil May Care now? ;)
Torley Linden: Oh great, please do have a seat, and welcome.
mztry Moody: evening all
Torley Linden: Nice particle effects!
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: Some peeps find it easier to make objects in SL, especially considering SL is free :-P
Torley Linden: Evening mztry!
Ryder Dryke: thanks i made them myself
Torley Linden: Marv: Yeah, I sure do. ;)
Gumby Roffo: evening mztry
Georgette Whitfield: chair fic nutzen meep
Torley Linden: It would also make sculpties less "alien" to some.
Ryder Dryke: gumbo i like the bender-AV much !
SignpostMarv Martin: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1452
Torley Linden: I know there was understandable trepidation of sculpties coming out and obsoleting everything, but as we can see, that hasn't happened. They are a good tool in a growing palette.
Gumby Roffo gave you YEP! landmark check the MECHs.
SignpostMarv Martin: "the sculpted prim is created from a linkset of prims using a spherical "capture" process - rays are shot inward from a bounding sphere - the point where they first strike the linkset (and the color at that point) is recorded into a texture map. rudimentary ray-tracing code is already present in the viewer. "
Georgette Whitfield loves sculpties
Torley Linden: Thanks for the landmark, Gumbo, I will check it out.
JetZep Zabelin: hehe Georgette I think im starting to understand that
Georgette Whitfield: The shoes! The hats!
JetZep Zabelin: i mean the meep
Georgette Whitfield: Bien woot
Gumby Roffo: no probs
Torley Linden: Some of the sculptie hats and shoes I've seen have been phenomenal...
Randal Kline: btw is there a way to rss feeds from the jira?
Georgette Whitfield: Meep = please
Randal Kline: *to get
Torley Linden: who are some of your fave sculptie shoe + hat makers, Georgette?
SignpostMarv Martin: Randal: yes :-P
Georgette Whitfield: Tesla
Georgette Whitfield: Illusions
Georgette Whitfield: Maitreya
Georgette Whitfield: Chapeau tres mignon
SignpostMarv Martin fetches link
Georgette Whitfield: Um...
Gumby Roffo gave you Slouch hat Badged /CP.
Georgette Whitfield: Shiny Thigns of course
Torley Linden: Cool. I haven't been to Maitreya or Chapeau tres mignon yet (that sounds like French for "cute hats"!).
mztry Moody gave you Glyph's Zoo...Arachnod.
Georgette Whitfield: Yes!
Torley Linden: Thanks for the landmarks I'm being sent!
Georgette Whitfield: Maitreya you MUST go to
Torley Linden: *receives*
Randal Kline sees if anyone is interested in opensocial (http://code.google.com/apis/opensocial/faq.html)
Georgette Whitfield: I find you alm
SignpostMarv Martin: Randal: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=JNfWKLVO3BGk50MUYEsBXw
Randal Kline: thx signpostmarv
Georgette Whitfield: Ta go
Georgette Whitfield gave you Maitreya, Superieure (97, 34, 451).
SignpostMarv Martin made some yahoo pipes to make it easier to grab peeps JIRA feeds
Vicero Lambert wounders if all this has happened in 4 years whats going to happen in 2 years....... oh boy.......
Georgette Whitfield: I donno that they have a lot of pink or green though lol
Ryder Dryke: torley i came here with a question to permanently save info in prims - many people use the description feel but its too small for some purposes ... cant the lindens introduce a bigger free text field in prims to store infos there?
Ryder Dryke: field*
Georgette Whitfield: Yes Ryder!
SignpostMarv Martin: Ryder: using prims for data storage is an abuse of their intent
Georgette Whitfield: You need it for script commands
Vicero Lambert: torley I see large changes coming on
SignpostMarv Martin: and also, not reliable
Georgette Whitfield: Like I make jewelry
Torley Linden: Ryder: Sometimes I come across that problem when I want to describe what's in an object...
SignpostMarv Martin: you're better off getting an external server, or using link message databases
Georgette Whitfield: And if I want to put in description what commands for bling off etc the field is too small sometimes
Torley Linden: I don't think that's a trivial change, but there should be a better way. I wouldn't want hovertext that is like, 4096 characters long, tho...
Georgette Whitfield: No lol
mztry Moody: a lot of the classes run is sl are now teaching how to make ur own sculpties or how to use them
Torley Linden: But I like what Marv suggested too...
Torley Linden: Who are some premier sculpties teachers out there?
SignpostMarv Martin: If you can't describe an object in less than 255 chars,
SignpostMarv Martin: then you should probably use a notecard
Torley Linden hasn't been up to the state of education lately.
Georgette Whitfield: I just learnt at NCI and ASL
Torley Linden: There is beauty in being terse.
Torley Linden: Ah cool Georgette!
SignpostMarv Martin: As for the field being too small to enter text into,
SignpostMarv Martin: edit the XUI to make it bigger :-P
JetZep Zabelin: 255 is the limit?
Georgette Whitfield: But they only teach Rokuro
Torley Linden: I think that some text fields should be vertically larger.
Georgette Whitfield: Basics
Torley Linden: For example, remember when About Land > General tab's Description field was one line high?
mztry Moody: hmm TUI run classes as do Mystic mastery
Torley Linden: And now it's been stretched vertically?
Igel Hawks: Hi @all
Vicero Lambert: hello igel
Georgette Whitfield: Ah yeah I did Tui too
JetZep Zabelin: hmm ya more verticle would be nice
Georgette Whitfield: Woof woot Igel
SignpostMarv Martin: editing XUI files is relatively simple
Georgette Whitfield: Awww Moard
Georgette Whitfield: How cute!
Ryder Dryke: can somebody explain XUI?
SignpostMarv Martin: XML User Interface
Torley Linden: An acronym within an acronym!
Ryder Dryke: ohokay
SignpostMarv Martin: the xml-based junk that governs how the windows in SL look
Ryder Dryke: ohew
Torley Linden: Erica and Brent Linden have been editing the XUI for Dazzle...
Ryder Dryke: and that has to do with prims too?
SignpostMarv Martin: nothing to do with prims
Ryder Dryke: hm okay
Ryder Dryke: then i mixed it
SignpostMarv Martin: but XUI is what controls the appearence of the edit window
Ryder Dryke: yes okay
SignpostMarv Martin: so if you wanted to make the description field bigger,
SignpostMarv Martin: you'd edit.....
SignpostMarv Martin finds XUI file
Ryder Dryke: well i want it to store more info
Ryder Dryke: not to be visual bigger
SignpostMarv Martin: ah
SignpostMarv Martin: well
Vicero Lambert: information is stored currently on mysql 4
SignpostMarv Martin: like i said
SignpostMarv Martin: use an external server
SignpostMarv Martin: MySQL 5
Phli Foxchase: mysql5 is coming
Vicero Lambert: was told there not fully on 5 yet
Ryder Dryke: those solutions suck if the services run slow
Morph Wollongong: or notecard if setting up an external server is daunting
Torley Linden listens.
Torley Linden: We're migrating to MySQL 5.
Vicero Lambert: you could convert the source to communicate with your own mysql servers but good luck running 100,000+ agents lol
Igel Hawks: The Beta test is allready migratedß
Igel Hawks: ?
Phli Foxchase: Yes, The beat Grid uses MySGL 5
Phli Foxchase: Beta*
SignpostMarv Martin: floater_tools.xml , line 334
Torley Linden: Yup, that was shared by Sidewinder @ http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/10/31/second-life-havok4-beta-preview-2007-10-31-simulator-and-database-refresh-starting-at-500-pdt/
Igel Hawks: Oh, beat the Betaß
Torley Linden: Wow that's a long link.
Torley Linden: MY EYEEES!
Vicero Lambert: lol
Jon Haskell: beta is great lately
Phli Foxchase: :)
Morph Wollongong: are there any blockers to having parcel owners display top scripts for their land? too much load?
Igel Hawks: It is really cool, yeah
Torley Linden: I haven't done much Havok'ing but I'd like to!
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: you need to poke Sidewinder with the stick labeled "edit the custom post-slug field" :-P
Ryder Dryke still waits for another windlight preview viewer
Phli Foxchase too
Torley Linden: Haha Marv, yeah, you know what though, the term "post slug" isn't very intuitive. :p
SignpostMarv Martin: use a greasemonkey script to retitle it :-P
Torley Linden: Yes... still working on WindLight, I unfortunately can't give more of an ETA but... things are shaping up really good.
Morph Wollongong: "post slug" is that a slime trail?
Jon Haskell: lol
Igel Hawks: Oh, cool to hear Torley
Torley Linden: See, that's similar to what I thought, Morph, no kidding.
Morph Wollongong: lolz
Ryder Dryke: i loved the last windlight preview
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Torley Linden: Why don't they just call it a "short title URL" or something.
SignpostMarv Martin goes and makes a sammich
Torley Linden: Glad you did, Ryder... I'm using the most recent internal build now...
Torley Linden: and taking pictures of us!
Ryder Dryke: aww cool :)
Ryder Dryke: can you use it on your next video tip?
Torley Linden: Postcard send seems kind of slow tho...
Torley Linden: I definitely will do a future Video TuTORial explaining WindLight and how to reduce viewer lag in it, since there are performance optimizations.
Torley Linden: The newest Release Candidate has a Lag Meter too, under the Help menu.
Igel Hawks: Cool!
Georgette Whitfield: lol cool
Vicero Lambert wants to addin voice lsl functions
Ryder Dryke: oh and i had a suggestion maybe ... i just found out about chat conferences with more then 1 person ... but i think its too deep hidden
mztry Moody: so i have been told now they just need to know how to use peoperly lol
Ryder Dryke: maybe you cann add a command to the pie menu? like "add to conference"
Torley Linden: Ah yes Ryder, that's hard to discover!
Vicero Lambert: if I could get the client to compile correctly I would mess around with putting voice functions for lsl
Torley Linden: I agree that that's an oddly enough case...
Ryder Dryke: because i LIKE it but its hard to use
JetZep Zabelin: hmm ya i never could figure out how to do the conferences
Ryder Dryke: you need to pack the calling cards in a folder
Torley Linden: Ryder, you know, that'd be a good tip of the week too, since it's tricky that way.
Ryder Dryke: and when you added "group invite" to the menu i had the idea
Morph Wollongong: be interesting to have typing anim/sound be a land option, that's probably been discussed before tho
Torley Linden: *makes a note*
Georgette Whitfield: I deleted all my calling cards 'cos I thought they were useless lol
Torley Linden: Thanks for suggesting that...
Ryder Dryke: *WHEW*
Ryder Dryke: mp
Georgette Whitfield: Then I got land and couldn't add people to the access list hehe
Ryder Dryke: you think its possible to add it to the menu too?
Torley Linden: I don't really use calling cards... oh that's a bug Georgette. I thought that was fixed.
Torley Linden: But yeah, before, I remember having no calling card would bork the Person Chooser.
Georgette Whitfield: No I deleted them on purpose
Georgette Whitfield: LOL
Georgette Whitfield: And had to ask my friends for them again hehee
JetZep Zabelin: we should be able to give out calling cards from an object as like business cards
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Georgette Whitfield: I didn't think they had a purpose but they do lol
Torley Linden: Ryder: Which menu? Pie menu? Hmmm... I wonder how that would work...
Ryder Dryke: yes
Ryder Dryke: "add to conference"
JetZep Zabelin: giving a calling card goes good with declining a friendship
Ryder Dryke: should be handy
Georgette Whitfield: lOL yes
SignpostMarv Martin finds it odd that we have an asset that is for all intents and purposes, "fecking useless"
Georgette Whitfield gave you Navarin of Lamb.
JetZep Zabelin: hehe
JetZep Zabelin: they could be made more useful
Igel Hawks: Hmmm, I use calling cards if I dont want somebody on the friendlist, but he7she wishes to be able to contact me
JetZep Zabelin: they are useful to me
SignpostMarv Martin: calling cards need to be TRANSFERABLE
Georgette Whitfield: I did a friends cull yesterday lol
Torley Linden: I would hope eventually, that calling cards be superceded by the Friends list, and that we could SORT our friends like any standard instant messaging program can do.
Gumby Roffo: but then you can always use the search bar
Ryder Dryke: and is there a linden who does the translations for the german client ? i would like to contact him on some wrong translations
SignpostMarv Martin: Ryder: make a correction, upload the XUI files to the JIRA
Torley Linden: Ryder: Jaime is Program Manager of Internationalization, I'd contact her to ask further... and also, please make sure bugs are filed for the wrong translations @ http://jira.secondlife.com
Ryder Dryke: hm dunno how, marv :(
JetZep Zabelin: "Friends" are not always friends and just contacts
SignpostMarv Martin does that when he finds lindens spelling "Resident" as resident
Georgette Whitfield: Yes I try to keep only people that I actually hear from lol
Torley Linden: JetZep: Yeah, it's true "Friends" isn't always accurate... you can have people on there who you've never talked t o before.
Torley Linden: *to
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley, we need a contacts system that has the flexibility of XFN
JetZep Zabelin: It would be nice it was just a contact list and some of them were checkmarked as friends
Morph Wollongong: yeah, a separate tab for contacts that don't see your presence might be cool
SignpostMarv Martin: http://gmpg.org/xfn/
Marianne McCann: Hiya
Torley Linden: Hey Mari!
Georgette Whitfield: Hi Marianne
Georgette Whitfield: Woof woot
Torley Linden: I'm not familiar with XFN... yet... *looks*
Georgette Whitfield: muahahaha!
Vicero Lambert: hi mari
SignpostMarv Martin: <a href="http://torley.com/" rel="contact muse">Watermelony Goodness</a>
SignpostMarv Martin: WordPress uses XFN
SignpostMarv Martin: so you can apply XFN attributes to your blogroll Torley :-P
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Torley Linden: Hmmm...
Gumby Roffo: Id use XFN too , but the shop was out of stock
Torley Linden: Sounds intriguing but I think I'd have to find more of an ongoing practical need for it.
SignpostMarv Martin: not everyone on a person's friends list would be classified as a friend
SignpostMarv Martin: some are just contacts
SignpostMarv Martin: some are family
Torley Linden: I like trying out various tools but only a small percentage of them end up really being useful to me.
SignpostMarv Martin: some are business relationships
Marianne McCann nods
Igel Hawks: Yeah, that's the point
Georgette Whitfield: Yes
Marianne McCann: Dat would be useful for me. Categories" of friends
SignpostMarv Martin: for example,
JetZep Zabelin: Signpost I like that rel= tag
Georgette Whitfield: aye
Georgette Whitfield: I mean YAR
Vicero Lambert: I appologise for leaving so early but I have another meeting I have to attend. Ty Torley for awnsering my questions :) Have a wounderfull day everyone :)
Torley Linden: Yeah, I'd like to sort friends into folders basically.
Marianne McCann: Have fun, Mister Lambert
Georgette Whitfield: Bye Vicero
Torley Linden: No worries, take care Vicero!
Igel Hawks: Bye, Tc Vicero
Torley Linden: Thanks for coming!
Vicero Lambert: :)
Georgette Whitfield: Meow woot
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: You would use <a href="http://pathfinderlinden.com/" rel="colleaque co-worker friend">Pathfinder Linden</a>
Georgette Whitfield: AFK
SignpostMarv Martin: whoops, mis-spelt colleague :-P
Gumby Roffo: bing werrrrr
Torley Linden: Gosh, I haven't talked to Path in awhile! Where has all the time gone?
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Phli Foxchase: Torley, do you know how I can contact frontier Linden ?
Torley Linden: I haven't done too much inworld exploration lately, which is why I appreciate having landmarks and tales shared with me!
Torley Linden: Phli, IM him or email him, frontier@lindenlab.com =)
Marianne McCann: I ain't seen him in forever.. I figgured he was busy in Boston
SignpostMarv Martin: Phli: frontier@lindenlab.com
Phli Foxchase: ok
Marianne McCann: Awesome!
Marianne McCann: Toelry - I dun have a LM, but Dive World is
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JetZep Zabelin: check out the Inspire Space Park if you havent yet
SignpostMarv Martin: touching on XFN, SL sorta uses three attributes from the spec:
SignpostMarv Martin: friend, contact, spouse
Torley Linden: Thanks for the suggestions!
The Resident you messaged is in 'busy mode' which means they have requested not to be disturbed. Your message will still be shown in their IM panel for later viewing.
Alisa Theas: The Kappa Village at Walden is fun
SignpostMarv Martin: if you have someone's calling card but they're not on your friends list, they be a contact, and if they're your partner, that would be rel="spouse"
Wef Bade: hello Torley!
Marianne McCann: Alisa - I miss Walden when it was, well, Walden Woods
Alisa Theas: I miss it too
Alisa Theas: It was so pretty
Torley Linden: Kappa... aren't those Japanese demons that sort of appear like turtles?
Torley Linden: Hello Wef!
Marianne McCann: Tried to "reimagine" a lot of it on Livingtree
SignpostMarv Martin: and everyone in Gay 4 Philip would have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Rosedale" rel="crush">Philip Linden</a> :-P
Alisa Theas: Kinda...they look like me
Torley Linden: Welcome to my office!
Torley Linden: Hahaha oh gosh don't get me started on that Marv.
Georgette Whitfield: Gay 4 Philip what?
Georgette Whitfield: I just got back lol
SignpostMarv Martin: in-world group :-P
Georgette Whitfield: Oh my goodness
Alisa Theas gave you Kappa's village, Walden (228, 112, 21).
Wef Bade: I was just watching your video and teleported from your profile. i was surprised to find Torley Linden: )
Georgette Whitfield: Poor man lol
Morph Wollongong: that one still around?
Torley Linden acquires landmarks... thanks!
Alisa Theas: YW!
Torley Linden: Oh right on Wef! Yup, it's my office hour right now. I do another one at 2 PM PDT today.
SignpostMarv Martin wonders if Torley bookmarked the blip.tv video
Torley Linden: Marv, yup, afterwards this session I will also post the chat transcript on my wiki page.
Torley Linden: =)
SignpostMarv Martin: kks :-P
Torley Linden: So we've got URLs saved for posterity!
Wef Bade: ahh keep up your job. I just finished my overtime working:)
Jurin Juran gave you would love to see in windlight.
Torley Linden: =)
Marianne McCann: SL is always so interesting dis time of year, when it becomes Zfall an winter
Georgette Whitfield: I am LMAO at that Gay 4 Philip group charter
Georgette Whitfield howls and howls
SignpostMarv Martin: http://frontierlinden.com/index.php?view=94 "Furry Lindens"
Georgette Whitfield: "It is our belief that Philip transcends all these things. He is a point of shining light on the horizon of our dreams. "
Georgette Whitfield: muahahaha!
Torley Linden: That is really operatic.
Torley Linden: It should be sung, not just spoken.
Georgette Whitfield: LOL
Marianne McCann giggles
Gumby Roffo: follow the yellow prim roard!
Gumby Roffo: road
Georgette Whitfield: Hoooooo!
Igel Hawks smiles
Zion Tristan: Heh.
Marianne McCann gave you ! ~~Surfline SL Experi, Surfline Epic Rezzable (208,.
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Torley Linden: W00t more landmarks, thanks!
Georgette Whitfield: Hey did anyone see the Skynews/Channel 4 report on SL the other day?
Marianne McCann: There's two more LMs for ya, Torley
Ryder Dryke: hey editing the XUi files seem to be very easy... and you say i shall upload them to JIRA?
Marianne McCann: Some nice spots I've splored lately
SignpostMarv Martin: yep
SignpostMarv Martin: Ryder: mark them as patches
Georgette Whitfield: It made me mad
Ryder Dryke: okay i will try - thanks - good that i learned that!
Torley Linden: Yup, we can get patches on the fast track, we really appreciate contributions...
Torley Linden: makes things so much easier.
Ryder Dryke: i'm glad if i can help
Torley Linden: Alisa, that's an awesome avatar.
Torley Linden: I like that cute little plush thing you're holding.
Alisa Theas: Thank you!
Torley Linden: :)
Igel Hawks: The Skynews report caused allmost the same what happened after the report on the German TV some months ago
Alisa Theas: ACtially...it was free at the Kappa Village I gave you the LM to.
SignpostMarv Martin: heh
Alisa Theas: *actually
Georgette Whitfield: It was not good journalism
Marianne McCann: Dun get me started on it, Igel
Torley Linden: OH NICE!
SignpostMarv Martin: Igel: don't you find it odd they said it was "hidden behind a mall"
Georgette Whitfield: Just sensationalist
Torley Linden: Cuuuute Kappa.
Gumby Roffo: wasn't Sky news based on the story in that tabloid
SignpostMarv Martin: when it was clearly shown in the video that it was right next to a main road ?
Alisa Theas blushes
Torley Linden doesn't like lazy journalism.
JetZep Zabelin: and biased, right Georgette with only part of the story
Torley Linden especially doesn't like lazy paraphrasing!
Marianne McCann: Signpost - actually, it does look situationed behind a Goren marketplace
SignpostMarv Martin: keyword "hidden"
Ryder Dryke: the report in the germanTV was on culture news
SignpostMarv Martin: it wasn't hidden anywhere
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Georgette Whitfield: My mum saw it and was like eeeeeeeek
Marianne McCann: But ya, totally yellow journalism, an now I get to go into defense mode again
Ryder Dryke: i saw it myself
Igel Hawks: I dont know. I was not there for moths now.
SignpostMarv Martin: the idiot reporter wasn't familiar with SL
Georgette Whitfield: And I had to explain I am not into all that lol
Torley Linden: Second Life is still new and will provoke certain emotional reactions from those not yet used to it, who don't understand the breadth of its diversity.
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Torley Linden: Ha Marv, not mincing words there I see!
Georgette Whitfield: LOl
Ryder Dryke: but still i dont like it when people trade kids-porn here on the game
mztry Moody: is because media reports arent interested in anything that isnt sensatioanlism
Marianne McCann: Torley - people fear what the don't understand, ya. If they dun understand SL, they'll fear the possibilitiys
Igel Hawks: Do you think, I do?
JetZep Zabelin: hehe do a report on the reporter see what happens +D
Torley Linden: One of my most unfavorite articles was the one that said Al-Qaeda had set up a virtual terrorism training camp in SL...
Georgette Whitfield: No that is def wrong Ryder
Marianne McCann: Who does, Ryder?
SignpostMarv Martin: I was glad that the Sky News report did cover the larger issue
Marianne McCann: I REMEMBER DAT, TORLEY - CRAZY
Torley Linden: Mari: Yeah, whether it's SL or something else, there'll always be that...
Georgette Whitfield: LOl Torley
Ryder Dryke: they said in the show
Igel Hawks: But ageplay is nNOT child porn
Marianne McCann: oops, caps lock
SignpostMarv Martin: e.g. that Paedophillia exists all over the internet, not just Second Life
Ryder Dryke: no ageplay not
Igel Hawks: Yeah Marv. That's the point.
Marianne McCann: Ya, Marv. May as well shut down google
Ryder Dryke: but they seemed to trade RL kid porn photos
Torley Linden: Second Life just has some novelties about it, which is why the press scrutinizes inworld stuff without really spending time to investigate.
Ryder Dryke: i dunno if thats right
Marianne McCann: Ryder - the ones from the German report, ya
Alisa Theas: they get traded everywhere on the internet
Georgette Whitfield: Yeah that's not cool
Ryder Dryke: but they said that
Igel Hawks: SL is just a representation of all what is "outside"
Alisa Theas: unfortunately
SignpostMarv Martin: Ryder: trading illegal content has been done on usenet for years
mztry Moody: yes but doesnt mean we have to like it?
Ryder Dryke: maybe torley knows if that was right
Torley Linden: Yes, people bring into SL what they're interested in as whole people.
Marianne McCann: Torley - ya, I figgure most reporters spend a week here, at most
Ryder Dryke: marv: and it was wrong there as it is here
Igel Hawks: If they do.
mztry Moody: if that marianne u being to nice
SignpostMarv Martin: "ZOMG PERVERTS ON TEH INTERNETS"
Torley Linden: Some parts are more pronounced in SL because of its possibilities as an expressionate artistic medium...
SignpostMarv Martin: dude, there's probably perverts working at your local supermarket
Torley Linden: but, that doesn't reduce its potential.
Marianne McCann: The Shy News guy has an almosy blank profile, with one group that is *not* a sexual ageplay (but is a kid ) one
Alisa Theas: And you know they're spending time in the wrong places because they'll sell more stories with bad news Mari
Ryder Dryke: probably
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Marianne McCann: "fear the hidden Nazi's next door"
Torley Linden: Has anyone read Dan Gilbert's Stumbling On Happiness?
Georgette Whitfield: Yes it focussed on the negative
SignpostMarv Martin: Dan Gilbert sounds familiar
Torley Linden: VERY good book exploring why we feel the way we do in certain situations...
Georgette Whitfield: No not read that Torley
JetZep Zabelin: Signpost, there are and at McDonalds too OMG! lol
Torley Linden: I really recommend it.
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mztry Moody: it is naive of us not to expect perverts in sl much as we dislike it
Igel Hawks: I experienced the discussion after the German report like a "witch hunt" for small AVs
Marianne McCann: Alisa - of course. I write for newspapers (RL and SL) too. It's what sells
Torley Linden: Part of the problem is when some words get bandied about lazily and copied from one article to another... it's like making a photocopy of a photocopy — NOT very graceful degradation!
Alisa Theas: Like the game telephone
Marianne McCann: Igel - trust me, I know it all too well. My bum still hurts for the number of times I've had it kicked!
SignpostMarv Martin: I'm hoping that stories such as these don't put off in-world groups from exhibiting at SL5B
mztry Moody: but for example there was a rape in sl the other day....
SignpostMarv Martin: uggh
Marianne McCann: Ya Torley - 12 minutes is a good example
JetZep Zabelin: parrot journalism
Igel Hawks: LOL Marianne, I believe
SignpostMarv Martin finds the concept of "rape" in SL being a misnomer
Torley Linden: Anything with the word "rape" in it is sure to attract attention. This goes back even further in "cyberpsace", to My Tiny Life... another great book.
Torley Linden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_in_Cyberspace
mztry Moody: sorry martin there was a hud out quite awhile ago that didnt need the err victim to say yes
Torley Linden: That's what I was looking for.
Marianne McCann: I am glad dat a piccie I took in response to the German TV article has gotten some positive attention on NWN, though
SignpostMarv Martin: mztry: scripted objects need to request permissions to trigger animations
Torley Linden: I do remember some BDSM folk having feature requests to REMOVE the permissions dialogs from Second Life!
Marianne McCann: It's in the lead in their "Uncanny Valley" contest
SignpostMarv Martin: social engineering != rape
mztry Moody: but a rape is a rape whether sl or rl i am afraid it induces similar feelings
Marianne McCann: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2007/10/reader-vote-sel.html
DJ Jenns: *waves to all - sorry im late*
SignpostMarv Martin: induces similar feelings yes,
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Torley Linden: Heya DJ, no worries!
JetZep Zabelin: you'd have to better define rape in context of cyberspace
Marianne McCann: * Gonna lose a gold star like dat, DJ *
Gumby Roffo: OK Im off for the night
Torley Linden: Haha, STEWIE!
Georgette Whitfield: I need to go too
Torley Linden: OK have a good one Gumby!
Georgette Whitfield: Lunch time
Jon Haskell: night gumbos tc
mztry Moody: so u cant discount the feelings we are after all people behing the keyboard
Gumby Roffo: Thanks for the tip on typing today Tor
Marianne McCann: When I have people deliberately bump into me with prim penii, I dun tink it's rape, but it is a violation
DJ Jenns: lmfao o.0 well I shall just have to find other ways to kill that red headed beast...
SignpostMarv Martin: but anyone who tries to claim that a virtual "rape" to pixels on a screen that can be easily escaped by teleporting away, standing up, or just logging out has equal severity to physical, abusive rape is a fucking moron
Torley Linden: You're welcome Gumby. :)
Georgette Whitfield: Bye all
Marianne McCann: So, tell us how you really feel, Marv
Georgette Whitfield: Nice to meet y'all
Gumby Roffo: TTFN
SignpostMarv Martin: :-P
Torley Linden: Some people really care about avatar personal space, others are oblivious.
Georgette Whitfield: B-bye!!! :D
Gumby Roffo: woot
JetZep Zabelin: hehe Torley about the BDSM and permissions.. that is hilarious
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Igel Hawks: *giggle*
SignpostMarv Martin: yes, virtual rape is significant, but to put it on equal standing with physical rape is grossly insensitive
Torley Linden: Yeah JetZep, it's the whole thing in SL of allowing freedom, but some people want more enclosed experiences... like certain inworld games that it gets easy to cheat at because there's not a way to fully block your camera from moving around.
DJ Jenns: I agree completely Signpost, Rape is a very brutal and horrific crime - to even contemplate such a thing exists in here does nothing but insult those who have experience such horrific acts in rl
mztry Moody: i have to disagree with u there but is just my opinion
JetZep Zabelin: I dont mind bumping.. i dislike it m oving me where I dont want to go especially if it makes me fall hundreds of meters
SignpostMarv Martin: mztry: Second Life has no force-feedback
Torley Linden: The word "rape" is misued so often. I hear from people who say, "My bank raped me!" and they obviously don't mean it in the same way as an actual sexual assault. It's very strange.
Marianne McCann: Ya. I've had to deal with dat in RL. There's nuttin in here dat really compares
SignpostMarv Martin: you don't feel what your avatar feels
mztry Moody: right i am one of those u refer to in Rl the rape that happened here brought similar feelings
Torley Linden: I've enjoyed some games with force feedback and would like to play more — Test Drive Unlimited rules.
Marianne McCann: But people will still call things "rape."
mztry Moody: yes u do actually as ur ava is u in a virtual world is still an invasion
Marianne McCann: Torley - yes, like people over using "Nazi" or similar
Torley Linden: Yeah, that's gone into popular culture like "Soup Nazi".
Marianne McCann nods
JetZep Zabelin: force feedback would be interesting
Torley Linden: It is especially confusing for people whose first language isn't English, and they get puzzled trying to figure it out.
mztry Moody: thats true Torley
ROMSEY Homewood: hey Vici
Vici Martynov: hi romsey
DJ Jenns: yeah, their is a completely new meaning to the word rape now - like "OMGz lol like i totally raped ur sim!"
SignpostMarv Martin would imagine that having your avatar raped would evoke a similar emotional response to seeing/hearing about a friend/celebrity/much loved tv-character being raped
Marianne McCann: Uh huh
DJ Jenns: Torley - cant beat Live For Speed :D
Torley Linden: I like TDU because it's so free-roaming...
mztry Moody: havng been there i can assure u it doesnt
Torley Linden: does Live For Speed have wide areas to just drive around in?
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Torley Linden: Yes DJ, good way to put it. o.O
Marianne McCann: \Marv - I tink it might vary. Some people become very attached to their avvies, while others view this asm well, puppet theater
JetZep Zabelin: i think the new uses of rape started with the Doom/quake days
Torley Linden: And people who don't know how to really control their avatars tend to be indifferent, e.g., some inworld events where someone's like a "talking head"...
SignpostMarv Martin: Marianne: people are attached to their avies as much as they are celebrities and TV characters
Jon Haskell: it is out there , it is horrid but it happens , it will happen here .rl anywhere, as sl am
Torley Linden: Gotta be a good puppeteer. ;)
JetZep Zabelin: my av is my "pet".. hence the dog av
mztry Moody: thing is sl is a visual experience so some things are more shocking in that respect
JetZep Zabelin: hehe
Morph Wollongong: any sock puppet avies in SL?
mztry Moody: lol Morph
Marianne McCann: (I did a puppet show in here last weekend, so the analogy was fresh)
Torley Linden: I always find it remarkable how much some people care about "cosmetic differences", like being Ruthed is taken so seriously.
DJ Jenns: yes
Torley Linden: I have seen sock puppets, but not avatars of them per se.
DJ Jenns: mztry like a penis on your forehead...*sighs* the "friendlier" days of the Welcome area
Torley Linden: I had a big sock puppet out in the water awhile ago!
Marianne McCann: Marv - true. In the same way, some become very invested in celebs
Morph Wollongong: lolz
mztry Moody: it is because we are people first and we control our ava even though is keyboard/mouse
JetZep Zabelin: a sock puppet would have to use a sculpty =D
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Marianne McCann: Ziggy Quirk made some great puppets and a stage
mztry Moody: for may of us is our escape from a RL hel;l and we have friends and family here so we dont look at it like a game
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: people's reaction to being ruthed is the same as a kid having their modern action-figures/dolls taken away from them and being replaced with cheap 80's junk
Torley Linden: I'd like an animated sock puppet, like Sifl and Olly, that'd be mad.
Torley Linden: Marv: Hahaha how apt!
Marianne McCann puts one on her arm
Torley Linden: That's such a quotable, Marv.
DJ Jenns: and being told it was a hat lol
DJ Jenns: Sooo Torley......windlight :p
Marianne McCann: On that would be awesome, Toerley
JetZep Zabelin: it's often a patience thing.. they try and try to fix it and get upset at all the lost time
Alisa Theas: windlight...windlight...windlight
SignpostMarv Martin: http://www.x-entertainment.com/updates/pics/am2007/am37/1.jpg
Alisa Theas: grins
SignpostMarv Martin: image of cheap Chuck Norris figure
mztry Moody: lol
Torley Linden: Yes, WindLight still being worked on... I can't wait until it's out... I really really wish I had an ETA but don't want to disappoint anyone if new showstopper bugs are found and it has to go through regression testing again.
Marianne McCann: It was funny at camp last week, Marv,. De ruthing rockets *everywhere*
Torley Linden: You should've seen some of our devs wrangle all these driver issues...
SignpostMarv Martin: Now taking into account the quality of avatars these days,
Torley Linden: there are SO MANY POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS AND VARIATIONS, it's crazy!
SignpostMarv Martin: imagine how Chuck Norris would feel if he went from looking almost lifelike, to that plastic piece o' crap
Morph Wollongong was figuring Windlight would be a while
SignpostMarv Martin: Chuck Norris would not be happy :-P
JetZep Zabelin: i think theres a new era of quality emerging
Marianne McCann: I hope Windlight works okay on my Mac SE with dialup
Torley Linden: We've had to hunt down issues that only happened on certain versions — and make allowances for other things, like the 169.xx Crysis drivers apparently don't work with WindLight, but some people are bound to be using them since that's such a popular game (apparently).
DJ Jenns: With this new UI floating about and the windlight release AND havok all coming out... do you reckon once its all out and released you might get peace heh
Torley Linden: Crysis really looks beautiful and I think some of our WindLighters draw inspiration from that, but of course, we're doing our own thing.
DJ Jenns: Crysis! ohhhhhhh *grins*
Torley Linden: Haha DJ, peace for awhile...
Morph Wollongong: no, HTML display in world!!! today!!!!
Torley Linden: but there's always more new things.
Torley Linden: I'm also working on Dazzle...
SignpostMarv Martin: DJ Jenns:Havok release wouldn't affect the viewer much
SignpostMarv Martin: the viewer doesn't do any physics itself last I checked
Ryder Dryke: will the version number change to 2.x ?
Torley Linden: Havok is server-side but... all the elements that interplay and have to work well together.
JetZep Zabelin: Torley lots of pizza parties eh?
JetZep Zabelin: j/k
Torley Linden: For example, sculpties + shiny + WindLight is FREAKIN' AWESOME!
Torley Linden: Better hope so! Oodles of snax!
SignpostMarv Martin: It's like the difference between running a HTTP/1.0 server and a HTTP/1.1 server
Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Dazzle for more info, you can try it out today! It's our user interface refresh.
Morph Wollongong: can we see our reflection in shiny yet?
JetZep Zabelin: crazy late night coding like mad with pizza
Torley Linden: Not yet Morph, but that hasn't been forgotten about.
SignpostMarv Martin: the viewer/browser really doesn't care, as long as it still gets stuff in the same format
Torley Linden: There ARE water reflections tho!
DJ Jenns: No i was just meaning with all these features being released are they looking forward to a little respite from "OMGZ WEN IS LIEK (Insert Feature Here) COMMING OUT!!?!??!"
Morph Wollongong: sweet
Morph Wollongong: srsly, in world rich text short of texture uploading would be a great add
mztry Moody: how does it all affect ongoing problems like lag for example?
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: can you please remember to have all these preview clients posted on https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Downloads ?
DJ Jenns: Crysis looks incredible, unfortunatly you need to have a computer the size of a cupboard to run it heh
mztry Moody: lol DJ
Torley Linden: Marv: I can't promise to update that because I'm occupied with so many other things; what's the advantage of having them on that page? I didn't know about before, thanks for the heads-up.
Marianne McCann: Torley - any chance of Dazzle able to be skinned, or use APple's Aqua interface?
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: The advantage would be self-descriptive
SignpostMarv Martin: it's the Downloads page on teh wiki :-P
DJ Jenns: almost makes me miss the console days... great new game - MORE new hardware
Torley Linden: Mari: We won't be able to use genuine Aqua, but I suppose Residents in the future could do Aqua-like skins (if they run the risk of lawsuits from Apple).
SignpostMarv Martin: it's future-proofing for third-party viewers such as Nicholaz & OnRez
Torley Linden: And Dazzle is meant to facilitate viewer skinning, yes.
Marianne McCann: cool
Torley Linden: As it sez in the Project Goals, "Document technical limitations of current skinning capabilities"
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: Dazzle Can Haz CSS-Burger ? :-P
Torley Linden: Hahaha. LOLCats. :p
DJ Jenns: rofl
Torley Linden: About that in particular Marv, I'd ask Lindens like Steve and Callum, they'd know more about that context.
Marianne McCann: Oh Hai! I fixed ur Dazzle
DJ Jenns: Does not Want
Torley Linden: HAHA, I am imagining visuals for this now!
SignpostMarv Martin checks if Steve/Callumn have office hours
Marianne McCann: I'm in ur Second Life, arranging ur pixels
Torley Linden: Steve guest-hosted one awhile ago, but you can also email them, steve@ and callum@lindenlab.com
Torley Linden: Hahaha Mari, that sorta stuff cracks me up.
Marianne McCann: Likewise!
SignpostMarv Martin: Torley: neither of them have office hours published, could you give them a gentle poke ? :-P
Torley Linden: It's been awesome hanging out and talking about various things each and everyone! I've got to go for now, but will be back here at 2 PM PDT today... and this weekend is Daylight Savings Time in the US, apparently.
DJ Jenns: whaaaa
Torley Linden: Marv: I've suggested before but they might be too busy with other things right now... you can try "gentle poke" too. =o)
DJ Jenns: im confuzzled
DJ Jenns: I only just got here ^-^
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Morph Wollongong waves
mztry Moody: ciao
SignpostMarv Martin emails steve & callum re: CSS-burger and office hours
DJ Jenns: argghhhh! GMT!
DJ Jenns: lolol
ROMSEY Homewood: tat! Torley tc:O)
Morph Wollongong tnx for the great info!
Phli Foxchase: bye bye
Torley Linden: Argh yeah DJ, sounds like that's wha happened.
Igel Hawks: bye, cu later maybe
Lyndsey Forager: no, did i miss it?
Moard Ling: Mao
Torley Linden: You're welcome and thanks for being with me!
DJ Jenns: lmfao
Vici Martynov: bye
Jon Haskell: thanks torley
DJ Jenns: yes Lynds
Rails Bailey: V^v^.:HowwwlzzZ:.^v^V xxXXx V^v^.:HowwwlzzZ:.^v^V
Rails Bailey: ^,
Ryder Dryke: bye torley
Rails Bailey: _/ | _
Rails Bailey: /' `' /
Rails Bailey: <~ . '
Rails Bailey: .' |
Rails Bailey: _/ |
Rails Bailey: _/ `. `.
Rails Bailey: / ' \__ | |
Rails Bailey: ___/ /__ \ \ \
Rails Bailey: (___.'\_______) \_|_|
Torley Linden: OH COOL, WHAT IS THAT!???
Lyndsey Forager: oh no!
Torley Linden: Wow FX!
Torley Linden: Looks like a wolf howling in ASCII!
Torley Linden <3 ASCII art.
JetZep Zabelin: Thanks Torley cu l8r =)
Rails Bailey: want a copy torley
Torley Linden: Yes please, send it to my inv!
Marianne McCann: Gonna roam too. Back to messin with the SL History Wiki
Torley Linden: I'll be teleporting off now... bye and have a lovely day!
Torley Linden: *waves and smilez*
JetZep Zabelin: this is late:
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Jon Haskell: bye all tc : )
ROMSEY Homewood: :O)
2 PM
Torley Linden: OH WOW HELLOLOLOLOLOL
Daedalus Young: hi Torley
Torley Linden: Hey Macdow, Squirrel, Mari, Daed, Aries!
Aries Piek: hello!
Torley Linden: My avatar feels so conflicted!
Marianne McCann: Daedalus - many of em are
Marianne McCann: Hey Torley
Torley Linden: Alpha sorting be damned!
Madcow Cosmos: Howdy torley
Torley Linden: Madcow, thanks again for the Post-Summer Flaggers...
Torley Linden: that was most welcomed.
Marianne McCann: Rezzable Surfline and the related are, Hallucinogen is. Greenies, of course. Santos legend, too
Madcow Cosmos: I figured you'd like to see the continued usefullness of your work
Torley Linden: Rezzable has SO many regions!
Marianne McCann: Uh huh
Aries Piek: they are incredible
Torley Linden: Aw, thanks Madcow, how very thoughtful of ya! This latest avatar of yours looks awesome.
Daedalus Young: cool, I'll just have to go on a teleport mission
Wyn Galbraith is having technical problems.
Torley Linden: What kinda technical probs Wyn?
Torley Linden: Glad you could make it at least!
Torley Linden: Oooh... Metaverse Mentor with a (C)!
Wyn Galbraith: Movement
Wyn Galbraith: I got stuck on your textures sign. Hey got nothing to do with the (c) it's in the group titles.
Wyn Galbraith: They must have added it.
Wyn Galbraith: Wow Torley, you're so green!
Torley Linden: Haha so green and PINK I hope!
Marianne McCann: An so fuzzy!
Torley Linden: I notice a healthy proportion of green on you, Wyn. ;)
Torley Linden: Great shoes... they got wings like Hermes?
Wyn Galbraith: Yeah, they were the first thing I picked up free when I joined SL
Marianne McCann: I tink I got em too
Squirrel Wood: I read your comment on me issue Torley ^^
Wyn Galbraith: I want to make an photo album of Torley's many looks.
Torley Linden: Hehe which one Squirrel?
Torley Linden: Hey Ganesha!
Wyn Galbraith: I changed their color and particle color too Marianne.
Marianne McCann: Hey Pavig!
Ganesha Xi: how about i land in everyone's lap? XD
Torley Linden: I should document something on myself too.
Torley Linden: Oh hey Pavig!
Torley Linden: Nice timing and all... haw haw haw.
Pavig Lok: hiya *rubs eyes*
Pygar Bu: Hello.
Pygar Bu smiles
Wyn Galbraith put more memory in her laptop still having some stuttering.
Wyn Galbraith: I mean my desktop
Wyn Galbraith: doh
Marianne McCann: Hi, brother!
Ganesha Xi: allll haiilllll the melon deciple!
Daedalus Young: §lol
Ganesha Xi: hmmm... shouldn't torley be melon leader?
Daedalus Young: Watermelon Maven
Ganesha Xi: ahhh
Torley Linden: Haha I was just playing around with my titles.
Torley Linden: Daed, you know that so well!
Torley Linden: It was a very spontaneous moment I tell ya!
Torley Linden: =D
Daedalus Young: I do remember some things just very well
Pygar Bu: now that I made it up here..
Pygar Bu smiles
Pygar Bu: I'll hafta come back another time
Marianne McCann: Shoot... gettin called away
Pygar Bu: Bye Bye!
Marianne McCann: Have fun!
Daedalus Young: bye
Torley Linden: Have fun too!
Pavig Lok: bye hun
Torley Linden: I can change my title... I learned how...
Torley Linden: Hey Pygar!
Madcow Cosmos: take care
Torley Linden: Hi and bye I guess...
Ganesha Xi: torley, my son likes your av hehe
Torley Linden: gee that was fast.
Torley Linden: Things can be so rapid in the metaverse-thing.
Torley Linden: Aw, thanks Ganesha, I am a big fuzzy watermelon plushie!
Ganesha Xi: oh you're not kidding
Squirrel Wood: sound files being wiped from the cache
Ganesha Xi: >.>
Torley Linden: Ah yes, that Squirrel.
Torley Linden: I saw that earlier and was wondering about it too...
Wyn Galbraith wants to hug the watermelon plushie but thinks it's all squashy inside. "That was a dang good find, Squirrel."
Ganesha Xi: lol
Torley Linden: =D
Madcow Cosmos: to many people about for my 7 year old computer I bid you farewell and enjoy your second life.
Wyn Galbraith loves Torley's eyeballs.
Torley Linden: Awww Madcow, good to see you again inworld. Take care... keep creating!
Torley Linden: My eyeballs are kind of like a spaghetti monster thing...
Daedalus Young: see you later, Madcow
Torley Linden: and thanks Wyn.
Ganesha Xi: lol
Wyn Galbraith: They are.
Pavig Lok: i loves your mechs madcow :P
Amphithetre Andalso chuckles. Ah, FSM
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
Daedalus Young: flying watermelon monster
Ganesha Xi: ugh.. ulcers... do yourself a favor and don't get one >.>
Torley Linden frowns.,
Pavig Lok: watermelon is loyal :P
Torley Linden: I've only heard bad things about ulcers.
Torley Linden: Soli! How nice to see you here!
Ganesha Xi: hehe yes
Ganesha Xi: you're all probably wondering why i gathered you here...
Solivar Scarborough: heya T - just thought I'd sit in and listen to the state of the union
Ganesha Xi: hehe
Amphithetre Andalso: <_<;;
Torley Linden has never heard a nice thing said about many ailments!
Ganesha Xi: haha
Torley Linden: Hehe, more of a state of craziness at time. ;) But whatever's colorful! Hee hee.
Torley Linden: Ganesha, what's that "Stop shooting..." thing above your head mean?
Torley Linden: Amphithetre, you look very suspenseful.
Ganesha Xi: hehehe i've had a lot of drama and stress going on
Torley Linden: Hey Claryssa, nice group title. =o)
Torley Linden: Awww. :(
Claryssa Schmidt: :)
Amphithetre Andalso: hee, thanks. I'm in the process of colbbing together a broken doll gothic lolita av
Ganesha Xi: can you believe sl has been a major role in my ulcer? lol
Torley Linden: Stressful situations are hard for me to say anything at times so I usually express myself in other ways.
Torley Linden: I can believe that!
Amphithetre Andalso: let's not make that a selling point for sl, eh?
Torley Linden: Hey Simon.
Ganesha Xi: hahaha
Ganesha Xi: no
Ganesha Xi: enough bad press
Torley Linden: I would hope for more healing than hurtin'...
Ganesha Xi: mostly yes
Amphithetre Andalso nods
Simon Kline: hi Torley!!! I have to say i giggled t Melon Disciple in the Tip of the Week lol I nearly turned up withthat group title today
Solivar Scarborough: I find scotch is a great way to discuss stressful situations "Leave the bottle" has been my state for most of this year so far
Ganesha Xi: i will impart a couple of words of knowledge... don't get into an sl relationship if you're in a rl one >.>
Daedalus Young: well, why not wear that title? :P
Pavig Lok: there plenty of healin - i just went to discussion of public diplomacy and those folk want a big global hug from in sl
Simon Kline: hehe Daedalus!
Amphithetre Andalso: Ah, the music's drifting through the air again
Amphithetre Andalso loves it
Ganesha Xi: there, slightly better XD
Ganesha Xi: eh lots better
Daedalus Young: hehe
Torley Linden: Haha Simon, I had such a fun time doing that, it was pretty impromptu.
Torley Linden needs to read Blink by Malcolm Gladwell for making quick reactions intelligently.
Simon Kline: lolololol
Torley Linden: Aww Pavig, I was at a Science Live event earlier.
Ganesha Xi: hmm
Ganesha Xi: i should too!
Daedalus Young: are you going to explain the other tabs too? I never quite understood why I needed the Roles tab as a normal member
Ganesha Xi: how was moving, torley?
Amphithetre Andalso: Hopefully as uneventful as possible?
Solivar Scarborough: new tabs?
Pavig Lok: roles help you figure out who to talk to if you aint got the role you need
Torley Linden: Daed, I do plan to do more... thinkin' of what can be best covered in video. As a normal member if you can't edit a tab, I thought it should be grayed out?
Torley Linden: Ganesha: Moving was good, thanks, and the results so far even better... I crossed a chasm in the name of love!
Ganesha Xi: !!!
Ganesha Xi: REALLY
Ganesha Xi: congrats!
Torley Linden: Thanx! =)
Amphithetre Andalso: \o/
Torley Linden: All these changes going on right now, it never does slow down.
Ganesha Xi: heheh
Torley Linden: My next video tutorial, either next week or the week after that, is going to be about some of the Search changes...
Solivar Scarborough: love can be a great orthopedic device
Daedalus Young: ah cool
Amphithetre Andalso: change is really the only constant
Torley Linden: the long-awaited revamps we're doing to the Search system which Jeska blogged about earlier.
Ganesha Xi: hmm and i don't see her here either XD
Amphithetre Andalso: oho, tasty search changes
Solivar Scarborough: any word on improving the interests tab, and to make it searchable?
Daedalus Young: that looked very good, I'm curious to see it in action :)
Torley Linden: Hmmm I'd like to have more profile fields searchable.
Ganesha Xi: language would be good
Torley Linden: I know that idea has been passed around a lot, no firm plans for that at the moment — it'd definitely make it a lot more useful.
Torley Linden: I'd like to search languages spoken too...
Torley Linden: or even the About fields...
Solivar Scarborough: that would be handy
Torley Linden: I find that needs emerge naturally.
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: If you find yourself coming across a hump in progress numerous times, that's a good sign it'd likely make a good feature to make things easier.
Ganesha Xi: miz... press ctrl-alt-r, you need a rebake =)
Torley Linden: That's how I like to fold multiple steps into 1, anyway.
Torley Linden: Ah good rebake tip, you know, that reminds me of another pet peeve...
Torley Linden: I wish going into Appearance would force-rebake you automatically.
Amphithetre Andalso: odd, I haven't needed one of those in ages
Ganesha Xi: yes!
Torley Linden: That would spare newcomers the pain of the Client menu in instances where it's unnecessary to wade through all that.
Ganesha Xi: me either
Amphithetre Andalso: or no one's said anything >_>;
Torley Linden: I save glitch shirts in my inventory.
Torley Linden: I have one that has mountains and UI plastered over it.
Pavig Lok: it usta work like that - and at worst you had to nudge any slider
Ganesha Xi: ehh amph it's like someone having toilet paper stuck to their shoe
Amphithetre Andalso: hee
Torley Linden: There's a market for stuff like that, I'm sure.
Daedalus Young: now that you mention it, I haven't seen Missing Image clothing in a good while
Amphithetre Andalso: true ;p
Ganesha Xi: everyone looks and laughs, then someone says something
Torley Linden: Pavig: AFAIK that still does work but it's kind of a hokey-pokey, multi-step dance.
Simon Kline: torley i had a problem through the weekn with someone who couldn't put clothes on till their "skin and shape" were loaded
Ganesha Xi: ahhh yup
Ganesha Xi: they need a relog
Torley Linden: But going into Appearance and leaving it (without any other steps) didn't ever work to rebake effectively, AFAIK.
Ganesha Xi: and possibly a faster connection
Daedalus Young: yes, if you're Ruthed, you can't change your stuff
Torley Linden: Simon: Hmmm... yeah, Appearance mode is grayed out if your avatar shape hasn't downloaded and all that.
Torley Linden: Like Daed said.
Sabina Stenvaag: Simon--i've seen that issue too--isn't relogging the best bet?
Solivar Scarborough: I get customers raging at me for false advertizing when a garment goes glitchy, as though I planned it that way...I just give them a new one and send them on their way
Ganesha Xi: lol
Torley Linden: Ugh Soli, I don't like that it gets taken out on you by proxy!
Torley Linden shakes my head.
Ganesha Xi: my husband sells loose pants, the tight pants bug drives them nuts
Daedalus Young: you can go to Client > Character > Character Tests > Test Male / Female though
Simon Kline: i found so jira issues with simmilar probs..
Simon Kline: with this person relogging didn't help
Daedalus Young: but you'll lose your shape
Torley Linden: Oh the "80s Bon Jovi pants" bug... :|
Ganesha Xi: haha yes
Torley Linden: Some of these hideous "cosmetic" bugs have the funniest names.
Simon Kline: i think sometimes it's related to the person's video card
Ganesha Xi: the tight-rolled pants effect
Daedalus Young: the wet t-shirt look
Torley Linden: Hahaha "wet T-shirt look".
Pavig Lok wants bring back the crosseyed bug for laffs
Ganesha Xi: =o
Simon Kline: lol
Ganesha Xi: haha
Torley Linden: Ruth is like this enduring nightmare...
Torley Linden: Oh, that cross-eyed one? Ugh.
Ganesha Xi: she never will go away
Torley Linden: All these boogeybugs!
Simon Kline: we gotta love ruth
Ganesha Xi: could you imagine torley's current avatar being cross-eyed? XD
Daedalus Young: shoe-up-ass
Pavig Lok: we gonna have international ruth day and stop her vilification
Simon Kline: she's like the eve of sl lol
Torley Linden: I hate the "hair in butt" and the "sit and go underground" bug too.
Solivar Scarborough: skin like a rhino - when you spend years having the first thing in the morning being sitting in a big room with everyone watching as your boss goes over yesterday's work with a fine tooth laser pointer, you gotta grow some skin
Torley Linden: HAHAHAH Ganesha, that might look RIGHT.
Ganesha Xi: hair in the but isn't as bad as it used to be
Torley Linden: Ruth needs the Braveheart treatment, except she is no William Wallace, she is a bastard coward!
Ganesha Xi: i used to have land that spanned 3 sims... i got reeeallll used to it
Wyn Galbraith has an alt who's always Ruth'd. Ruth Littlething
Solivar Scarborough: heh
Torley Linden: Oh really Wyn? HAHAHAHA.
Ganesha Xi: haha
Torley Linden: How'd you get her to always be Ruth'd?
Ganesha Xi: just wearing the av
Pavig Lok: ruth is in the library
Torley Linden: Oh LOL...
Ganesha Xi: she's in your library
Wyn Galbraith: Ruth is in the library
Torley Linden: Isn't that even scarier?
Daedalus Young: and grey clothing/skin/hair?
Torley Linden: She's just... a folder-drop away!
Wyn Galbraith: LOL
Pavig Lok: snap
Torley Linden: Who was that who was selling MISSING IMAGE shirts.
Wyn Galbraith: She's really good for attracting newbies with questions.
Ganesha Xi: i should make an all-grey skin
Ganesha Xi: net-g was
Solivar Scarborough: "They may take our shappes, but they will never take our "You have been logged out of Second Life..."
Ganesha Xi: but it looked like crap, they used the wrong font
Torley Linden: Soli, now there's a revolutionary cry!
Sabina Stenvaag: wyn--yesattracting noobs with ruth--i
Daedalus Young: I did search for a Ruth folder months ago, it wasn't there
Torley Linden: HAHA, yeah, the right font TOTALLY makes a difference.
Daedalus Young: I'll have to try those all out
Ganesha Xi: impact
Ganesha Xi: i think
Torley Linden: For crying out loud, there IS a Ruth folder in Library > Clothing > More Outfits.
Torley Linden: Terrifying.
Torley Linden makes a note to do Watermelon Ruth.
Daedalus Young: Prince Charming...
Ganesha Xi: hahahhahaha
Sabina Stenvaag: Solivar--is that saying on a tee shirt??
Solivar Scarborough: free for use *G*
Ganesha Xi: hmm
Torley Linden: Speaking of improving aesthetics, is anyone here not familiar with Dazzle yet? That's the codename for our improving of viewer skinning and enabling other usability improvements.
Amphithetre Andalso: I've been keeping an eye on that one
Ganesha Xi: oooh
Ganesha Xi: link!
Daedalus Young: we need a Ruth Linden
Sabina Stenvaag loves a lot of dzzles look
Ganesha Xi: hahah
Amphithetre Andalso: Shinies, for sure
Solivar Scarborough: cries favortism for Dazzle (tm) - the next viewer must be calle Second Thoughts!
Ganesha Xi: ruth would be a good name for a bughunter XD
Pavig Lok: Noooooo! then prok will say they thought of it first and i told you so lol
Daedalus Young: you sometimes hear how newbs call Ruthed avs "hot"
Ganesha Xi: hahaha
JetZep Zabelin: re =) hehe
Amphithetre Andalso: really? o_0
Ganesha Xi: i just say "nice boobs"
Ganesha Xi: generaly the guys get the hint XD
Amphithetre Andalso: And then they see the moder navs, and their standards go up
Pavig Lok: ruth is remarkably attractive with a nice skin
Amphithetre Andalso: *modern avs
Solivar Scarborough: So T - this skinning it's interface skinning?
Ganesha Xi: ehh her face stinks
Ganesha Xi: heh
Daedalus Young: Ruth 2.0
Torley Linden: You can try Dazzle today... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Dazzle
Torley Linden: I mean, TODAY, as in RIGHT NOW.
Ganesha Xi: hooray!
Torley Linden: Just takes a few files to be replaced in your SecondLife folder.
Ganesha Xi: hmm
Ganesha Xi: torley
Torley Linden: We do plan to have a formal First Look later, but this is kind of a "ahead of the game"-type thing.
Ganesha Xi: we all have this burning question
Pavig Lok: it's gotta be easier on the eyes than the esc client
Daedalus Young: I have Dazzle on my other viewer: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=222626
Wyn Galbraith should take her Ruth out partying.
Ganesha Xi: WINDLIGHT??!
Torley Linden: And yes, it's interface skinning, and meant to faciliate ease of Residents doing it in the future, Soli.
Solivar Scarborough: thanks - gotta say I wasn't in love with the OnRez viewer, though it didn't suck
Ganesha Xi: i like the onrez viewer
Wyn Galbraith: I finally installed Uru to play and found the hand in there!
Torley Linden: OMG WINDLIGHT... STILL WORKING ON IT... GETTING CLOSE... I don't have a ETD precisely because I don't want disappointment if we discover more bad bugs that hold things up (as has already happened)...
Amphithetre Andalso: The hand is an old human symbol
Ganesha Xi: i had to help someone that was manning pchat "why is it they HAVE secondlife but they can't find the green hand?"
Ganesha Xi: yes, no bugs is good
Torley Linden: I swear WindLight is not vaporware and that I am using it right now and reporting a few more (not-so-critical) bugs... https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden/Project_updates also has my recent news.
Torley Linden: With lots o' details.
Ganesha Xi: thankfully i have the onrez, i sent him a pic of the sheep icon
Ganesha Xi: hooray!
Amphithetre Andalso: Pretty basic, since human beings use their hands for pretty many things
Torley Linden: Haha there's a funny name for that eye-in-hand, it's called a HAMSA.
Ganesha Xi: torley, i bet you give the viewer a good run
Ganesha Xi: hehe
Sabina Stenvaag: HAMSA? does that stand for anyting?
Daedalus Young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsa
Sabina Stenvaag: thanks dea!
Daedalus Young: yw :)
Wyn Galbraith: LOL, never knew the name for it, Torley, thanks. So I had to really check what reality I was in the first time I saw it. I said, "Hey wait, I'm not in SL!"
Ganesha Xi: i really don't like how onrez viewer says "connecting to onrez, it may appear frozen, please wait"
Ganesha Xi: D:
Amphithetre Andalso: Advertising :/
Ganesha Xi: yus
Daedalus Young: connecting to HiPiHi, it may appear frozen
Daedalus Young: and you just end up an SL estate
Ganesha Xi: hippo!
Torley Linden: I just capitalized HAMSA 'cuz... it looked like DARMA.
Torley Linden: ;)
Torley Linden: No, not totally a Lost fan here, but I like the mythos.
Torley Linden: And yes Ganesha I do the best I can... work the viewer inside out.
Torley Linden: I like to share my findings and such.
Sabina Stenvaag: hee hee torley--waht's with all this drama--i've managed to dodge it!
Ganesha Xi: yes
Torley Linden: I was in HiPiHi for a few minutes but got confused...
Torley Linden: I hope there's a version easier to install on English machines.
Ganesha Xi: bloghud... found that today after looking at some of your stuffies
Torley Linden: Sabina: I usually don't get into drama myself. harrrrrr.
Ganesha Xi: heh
Daedalus Young: ooh yes, your WindLight pic at Oyster Bay (Origin Rang) is in The AvaStar
Wyn Galbraith loves Lost!
Miz Mizin: is this rivate or can anyone join in?
Sabina Stenvaag: i was 'warnned' about all the drama in SL--thought they were talking about RP'ing sims and stuff!
Miz Mizin: private lol
Daedalus Young: join in!
Amphithetre Andalso: ^.=.^
Miz Mizin: just to say im english and have a mac
Ganesha Xi: miz it's only public if you press ctrl-alt-r... kidding, you need a rebake ;)
Torley Linden: Haha Sabina.
Wyn Galbraith: Also CSI, Star Trek, Stargate, Battlestar Galatica, etc
Amphithetre Andalso: woo hoo
Torley Linden: Drama ain't always about Shakespeare.
Amphithetre Andalso: mac + sl
Daedalus Young: well I have a Mac too :)
Miz Mizin: good
Torley Linden: OMG it is Daed? Heh, I bet they're glad I used Creative Commons. ;)
Torley Linden: Thanks for spotting that.
Torley Linden: And Miz you are welcome to join in!
Wyn Galbraith: Shakespeare wrote a heck of a lot of comedy.
Daedalus Young: heh yes
Torley Linden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/1831102058/ <-- current state of WindLight water.
Miz Mizin: tgthanx
Amphithetre Andalso: drool rific, that water is
Ganesha Xi: oooo
Ganesha Xi: noice
Wyn Galbraith: Well I've updated my computer to a GeForce 6200 oc and 2.5G of ram.
Solivar Scarborough: pretty effing gorgeous
Torley Linden: You gotta see the water in motion too... it's pretty hawt.
Wyn Galbraith: I just found out, while putting in the ram that I do have a PCI express slot.
Amphithetre Andalso: I hopefully have moar RAM coming my way soon
Emtu Pfeffer: As much as Windlight sounds cool, I don't think my computer could handle it. :(
Solivar Scarborough: can I put a question forth to the crowd?
Ganesha Xi: open discussion =p
Amphithetre Andalso: As it is, I only have 512, and SL chews through that pretty hardcore
Wyn Galbraith: So now I have to save for a better card.
Aphilo Aarde: Please
Torley Linden: Even on your current computer, you could likely enjoy some of WindLight's benefits — the really higher-end stuff does require beefier hardware.
Emtu Pfeffer: Shoot.
Torley Linden: Think about system requirements for popular games on the market,
Ganesha Xi: well thanks for that question
Wyn Galbraith: This is the first time this desktop has handled SL so well. And this is the computer that I first entered SL with.
Ganesha Xi: next? hehe
Torley Linden: because that's what we're going towards in regards to higher-end graphics.
Emtu Pfeffer: For instance, things are pretty slow for me right now with this many people in one place
Torley Linden: But I like to see Second Life perform well on lower-end systems, even with settings turned down.
Ganesha Xi: attachments
Amphithetre Andalso: People are gonna whine :/
Torley Linden: There is one big thing that should help with that, Emtu, with WindLight...
Torley Linden: it's called Avatar Impostors.
Emtu Pfeffer: Probably, yeah
Solivar Scarborough: aside from graphical dohickies and ease of use improvements - what would you like to be able to do, productivitywise (in realtion to first life productivity) or activitywise in SL? Something that would sell SL as a useful item to the skeptical
JetZep Zabelin: I build all my computers over the last 10 yrs to meet my game reqs. :)
Daedalus Young: yeah, avs are the most complex things to render
Sabina Stenvaag: torley--windlight might make SL move faster you say?
Torley Linden: It basically makes far-away avatars drawn in a "cheaper" way, like old-skool video game sprites, so they look a little rougher but performance gains are up to 20 FPS in busy areas with lots of avatars.
Wyn Galbraith doesn't like how you must have Vista to get Direct X10 and more than 3.3Gs of memory.
Emtu Pfeffer: I built this computer like 4 years ago and I've been adding/replacing since
Ganesha Xi: yay sprites!
Pavig Lok: what about some sl performance optimization handled on the server side - if the japanese can proxy it to a mobile phone there must be ways to scale what the client sees from that end
Torley Linden: WindLight will include performance enhancements, including optimized shiny. Team leader Pastrami Linden will have all the nitty-gritty details in his forthcoming blog post announcement.
Amphithetre Andalso: lol, did they really?
Emtu Pfeffer: Oh man, optimized shiny
Torley Linden: WindLight has a lot of viewer-side speed boosts, some of them optional. Preferences > Graphics tab has been totally redesigned.
Emtu Pfeffer: Shiny hits my computer hard in large quantity
Solivar Scarborough: sl on a mobile phone?
Pavig Lok: yups docomo goes live with sl on mobiles this month
Aphilo Aarde: Hey Claryssa
Ganesha Xi: i just want SLeeK back =\
Claryssa Schmidt: hi Aphilo
Amphithetre Andalso: SL on MY PSP? ;_;
Torley Linden: Anyone here like BioShock or Crysis?
Ganesha Xi: bioshock is pretty
Sabina Stenvaag: never heard of htem torley
Daedalus Young: I'm not much of a gamer
Emtu Pfeffer: Also, does anyone see the middle crate of the multi chair as invisible from certain angles or it it just me?
Aphilo Aarde: Have you read Brautigan's" In Watermelon Sugar" - since we're sitting in a watermelon :)
Ganesha Xi: neither am i daed
Solivar Scarborough: hven't played Bio, though i've watched the kid playing it - nice visuals, and of course my fave - retro tech
Daedalus Young: yes Emtu, that's a z-buffer problem
Ganesha Xi: emtp that's an opengl bug
Wyn Galbraith was looking at the new Alienware laptop yesterday and drooled a lot.
Emtu Pfeffer: I see
Daedalus Young: correct
Ganesha Xi: *emtu even =p
Torley Linden: Hahaha Aphilo, I've heard of that before.
Torley Linden: I thought you'd like the aesthetics, Soli.
Amphithetre Andalso: Hee, that cube is all over 4chan's /po/
Aphilo Aarde: It's trippy :) - like your home :)
Solivar Scarborough: I'm a vintage whore
Torley Linden: Crysis looks pretty awesome insofar as environmental effects.
Ganesha Xi laughs
Torley Linden: I like steampunky sorts of stuff.
Ganesha Xi: a vintage...w hore......
Ganesha Xi: you're an old one?
Daedalus Young: steampunk is good
Solivar Scarborough: not old - matured
Ganesha Xi: lol
Torley Linden: I like seeing some of the steampunk hacks people have done with their keyboards and mice...
Wyn Galbraith loves everything and anything virtual.
Emtu Pfeffer: I modified this cube from a free full perms one so it's low prim enough to be physical
Daedalus Young: I like Madcow's work much, he blends steampunk and skeletons so well
Torley Linden: I really like those Portal cubes.
Wyn Galbraith: I just got shown Portal. I usually don't play those games but it looks interesting.
Torley Linden: GlaDOS = awesome nemesis.
Pavig Lok: steampunk heaven: http://technabob.com/blog/2007/11/01/pac-man-thats-pac-gentleman-to-you/
Wyn Galbraith: LOL, started writing that before you did, Torley.
Wyn Galbraith: Steampunk is interesting too.
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Daedalus Young: ohh, that's a great device
Torley Linden: I am totally into retrogaming.
Emtu Pfeffer: I love the heck out of Portal, I just wish there was more of it
Torley Linden: WOW that looks FREAKIN' AWESOME.
Wyn Galbraith: We might need Steampunk if computers ever bit the dust.
Torley Linden: PAC-GENTLEMAN!?!?
Torley Linden: HAHAHAHAHAA.
Solivar Scarborough: I like the handlebar mustaches on them
Amphithetre Andalso: Short game, is it? :(
Torley Linden: LOL, it's so mini.
Wyn Galbraith: Too bad we couldn't do portal in here.
Emtu Pfeffer: It's like 3-4 hours tops, if you're bad at puzzles
Amphithetre Andalso: Bah
Wyn Galbraith: Can you imagine, Bang stepthrough into a different sim.
Emtu Pfeffer: But those are the best 3-4 hours of gaming ever
Amphithetre Andalso: Now we're thinking with portals ;p
Torley Linden: The ending song is freakin' funny, with the ASCII art and all.
Torley Linden: I really liked the teaser trailer, Amphithetre.
Pavig Lok: portaling would be lovely - i thought the lindies did something regarding that at one point
Torley Linden: It was damn good.
Amphithetre Andalso: Yeah, I saw it months ago, loved it
Torley Linden: Portaling in Second Life? =)
Rusty Westland: What is this about?
Torley Linden: I like how that Portal trailer has informercial music that sounds so peaceful.
Emtu Pfeffer: If llTeleportAgent was ever implemented, it would be possible
Torley Linden: Hey Rusty, welcome to my Office Hour!
Amphithetre Andalso: I should dig up portalcat
Ganesha Xi: it's about watermelons!
Rusty Westland: How are you
Pavig Lok: yups some discussion about a year ago as a possible avenue for development
Ganesha Xi: and hippos!
Amphithetre Andalso wavs hello
Torley Linden: Rusty, more info about what I do @ Linden Lab can be found here... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden as well as transcripts of past office hours to fill ya in.
Amphithetre Andalso: !
Amphithetre Andalso: !
Torley Linden hasn't forgotten llTeleportAgent.
Amphithetre Andalso: wonderful x3
Rusty Westland: So does the amphitheatre have gladiators?
Amphithetre Andalso: Wrong thing ;p Named for a type of dragon
Torley Linden: TONIGHT... WE DINE IN...
Ganesha Xi: not ampitheater
Torley Linden: ;)
Torley Linden: I like listening to certain music during bug triages.
Ganesha Xi: such as?
Torley Linden: One of the finest happens to be Nine Inch Nails' "Just Like You Imagined".
Amphithetre Andalso: I admit I've been hitting the Philosoamtika a lot recently
Torley Linden: Another one is the Halo theme.
Ganesha Xi: heheh
Torley Linden: And the Metal Gear Solid theme.
Ganesha Xi: halo theme would be good
Wyn Galbraith: Portaling in SL, would that be hard to do?
Torley Linden: Yeah, Halo theme is so rockin'. I remember my brother flipped out after learning that Halo's music sounded rather Celtic, he wasn't expecting it.
Pavig Lok: sim borders are already kinda portalling
Ganesha Xi: hehehe
Amphithetre Andalso: The more I hear about Halo, the more I need to play it :/
Torley Linden: I wish we had some fancier teleport effects like CSI's!
Ganesha Xi: hahahaha
Amphithetre Andalso: Those made me lol
Ganesha Xi: i know of one
Sabina Stenvaag: and the fancy remote on CSI!
Ganesha Xi: but i wish it were that instantaneous
Ganesha Xi: oh oh
Ganesha Xi: torley... after watching csi
Ganesha Xi: i got land in a sim called "shangri la"
Torley Linden: Yes, what WAS that fancy remote? It reminded me of some of the alternative keyboards I've seen, only fancier.
Ganesha Xi: hahahahah
Emtu Pfeffer: A guy in one of my groups made a working turret
Amphithetre Andalso swats at the air. Stop talkiiing D:
Emtu Pfeffer: It even shuts down when you knock it over
Pavig Lok wantsta get a 6dof mouse
Wyn Galbraith: Cool.
Ganesha Xi: i wonder how many prims his keypad was?
Wyn Galbraith wants her computer in her head.
Emtu Pfeffer: I made all four GLaDOS personality modules
Amphithetre Andalso: Me too :D
JetZep Zabelin is stuck in a headlock
Torley Linden: I think that Trophy Hall in CSI was soooo much like Nash Baldwin's schizophrenia simulator. I wonder if the CSI guys had seen that first in their preliminary tours of Second Life.
Torley Linden: Oh yeah Emtu? :D
Amphithetre Andalso: Cyberbrain 4tw!
Torley Linden is excited.
Emtu Pfeffer: Want a copy, Torley?
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: Here's some wisdom for Torley Linden:
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: If someone betrays you once it is their fault, if someone betrays you twice it is your fault. -- Elenor Roosevelt
Torley Linden: Yes please!
Torley Linden: That would be awesome!
Wyn Galbraith: Then all those sleepless nights could be easily dealt with without getting out of bed.
Emtu Pfeffer gave you Morality (Purple) Sphere.
Amphithetre Andalso: Wyn: just reboot?
Ganesha Xi: i don't get out of bed
Ganesha Xi: ever
Torley Linden: Haha, thanks Emtu!
Ganesha Xi: i live in my bed
Torley Linden imagines GlaDOS reciting the ingredients.
Emtu Pfeffer: They're all under 32 prims
Torley Linden: Mmmm.
Ganesha Xi: >.> kidding... wish i could sleep lol
Torley Linden: Oh nice, so I can roll 'em down hills too.
Emtu Pfeffer: So they can be physical
Amphithetre Andalso: the cubes? lol
Emtu Pfeffer: Yep, or throw them in a fire :D
Emtu Pfeffer: No, the spheres
Wyn Galbraith: I didn't get to see the CSINY SL episode, my tivo wouldn't record it.
Amphithetre Andalso: Ah ;p
Ganesha Xi: here wyn i have a link
Amphithetre Andalso: It's on the cbs website
Daedalus Young: apparently you can watch it on the site, but it won't play
Torley Linden: I saw Second Life on The Office too.
Ganesha Xi: http://alpha.cbs.com/primetime/csi_ny/
Torley Linden: That was a very straightforward depiction of it.
Ganesha Xi: i did too torley
Amphithetre Andalso: I had to use *shudder* IE
Torley Linden: *~* I'M STILL ALIVE *~*
Ganesha Xi: wyn click video it's called "down the rabbit hole"
Daedalus Young: it doesn't work at all in Opera and in Safari it just plays a message "not available"
Torley Linden: What a great song.
Sabina Stenvaag: hee hee i gotta say--i met more new AV's in SL who came in cause of the office over CSI
Ganesha Xi: it works in opera
Amphithetre Andalso: x3
Torley Linden: Really Sabina? I almost missed The Office bits because they were so brief, but funny.
Ganesha Xi: it's sitting in my opera right now
Wyn Galbraith: I've been to the sim and got my badge, solved a couple of things, and helped a lot of people ;)
Daedalus Young: nothing happens for me
Pavig Lok: i went csi today - esc browser broke my main sl client (reinstall time) and the disorientation for newbies even confused me lol
Amphithetre Andalso: lol
Amphithetre Andalso: venus av
Amphithetre Andalso: <3
Claryssa Schmidt: :)
Ganesha Xi: oh wed night at orientation station... that was a nightmare
Wyn Galbraith: Install the ESC viewer in it's own directory.
Amphithetre Andalso: brilliant
Daedalus Young: maybe they require cookies? I never accept them if it's not necessary to reamin logged in
Sabina Stenvaag: mabe it was the 2 days in a row of SL on primetime TV, but that thursday--i met a lot of Office watchers who joines SL cause of the offfice
Torley Linden: I haven't tried the OnRez viewer yet. Not a lack of desire, but time.
Torley Linden: I'm intrigued.
Solivar Scarborough: it's a slimmed down viewer
Ganesha Xi: apparently build is messy in it
Amphithetre Andalso: What's the point then? :/
Ganesha Xi: as i'm always popping out prims that would be disadvantageous
Pavig Lok: it's an interesting take but it's kinda obfuscated - by hiding complexity it makes it really hard to do stuff
Ganesha Xi: except shop onrez!
Amphithetre Andalso: Bargh. I like the zillions of features in the main client
Solivar Scarborough: if they really want to put it out there for the everyman, they need to slim it further and add bigger more intuitive interface
Torley Linden: I sometimes think, what would it be like to start over again, and know nothing about Second Life that I do now?
Wyn Galbraith: The OnRez viewer has a nice look.
Wyn Galbraith: It has some flaws.
Amphithetre Andalso: I've played with that idea with other mmos I've done
Ganesha Xi: torley: you'd have a better orientation i think
Ganesha Xi: unless you landed on an mdstyle! /me grumbles
Daedalus Young: I remember my first steps on the mainland
Wyn Galbraith: Of course the Chicken Little scare about the search engine is totally untrue.
Torley Linden: Yeah, I'm going to start trying other places like VastPark, and see what's up.
Emtu Pfeffer: I didn't feel like splicing all the sound clips together, so I just stuck them all in there and had the llSleep set to slightly more than the clip lengths
Ganesha Xi: daed me too... fully nude >.>
Sabina Stenvaag: personally--the buy button annoys me-don't liek to be re=minded of capitilism while in SL!
Amphithetre Andalso: Emtu: I love it
Daedalus Young: I wore something made out a Library textures
Solivar Scarborough: a graduated interface would be handy - start folks off with just a few options with big colorful buttons, and then work them up to the full interface
Emtu Pfeffer: I'm selling them on SLX and in my parcel in what
Daedalus Young: and tinted green or something
Sabina Stenvaag: what's vastpark?
Amphithetre Andalso: Cool, thanks
Amphithetre Andalso writes down name
Torley Linden: http://www.vastpark.com/
Wyn Galbraith met the bannana phone her first day, "There's a picture of that day on my blog"
Daedalus Young: but just walking on the roads was so cool, the idea of that huge world out there
Emtu Pfeffer: My parcel is in my picks
Sabina Stenvaag: ty
Pavig Lok: most of the other ones i've looked at feel much like normal mmo games - they aren't user content focused even if they allow it
Amphithetre Andalso: ^.=.^
Torley Linden: Kaneva has a nice-looking new home page but the graphics aren't the same as what you actually see inworld; it looks Photoshopped, and thus, I don't think it's accurate.
Torley Linden: Haha Wyn, I saw Bananaphone early on too.
Wyn Galbraith cracked up and thought she was in heaven, even if she could hardly move.
Ganesha Xi: eh i'm still feeling foul... good seeing you folks, i am going to stagger back to my sim
Amphithetre Andalso: Argh, see you
Daedalus Young: ok Ganesha, see you later
Pavig Lok: kaneva is about 80% on their website, with avchat, but you can buy a sim for ten bucks lol
Ganesha Xi waves and poofs
Sabina Stenvaag: i too am gonna scram--thanks fer the info and for listening!
Amphithetre Andalso: lolerskates
Torley Linden: I remember a time when I filed abuse reports and bug reports a lot from inworld...
Torley Linden: Thanks for being here with me!
Torley Linden: Have a good one Ganesha!
Daedalus Young: bye Sabina
Aphilo Aarde: Thanks for holidng office hours!
Wyn Galbraith: I love the roads so much I've walked them and ridden them, I even offered to build the missing roads for LL for 10$US an hour!
Torley Linden: Take care Sabina!
Torley Linden: You're welcome Aphilo, I'm happy to hang out and discuss Second Life and related things... ahh tangents!
Amphithetre Andalso: ! bananphoone!
Wyn Galbraith: Thanks Torley, your meetings are the icing of the week.
Torley Linden: Awwwwe.
Daedalus Young: I heard there's no interest from LL in new roads, yet I see them appear on the Southern-most Continent
Squirrel Wood gave you FOLLOW Banana Phone.
Wyn Galbraith: Tangents are fun!
Amphithetre Andalso: Yes, it's ALWAYS a pleasure to chit chat
Torley Linden: :D :D
Torley Linden: I am so thrilled to have you with me.
Wyn Galbraith: The roads are important.
Amphithetre Andalso: ^.=====.^
Daedalus Young: and they're not parcel enroached by the neighbours
Emtu Pfeffer: I've been meaning to make it to another one of these for some time, but this is the first one I made it to in like two months
Torley Linden: Very cute.
Wyn Galbraith: my first land is right by a road, but the road is unfinished.
Solivar Scarborough: after all, the metaverse was centered around a road
Emtu Pfeffer: I happened to be on and I noticed the time
Daedalus Young: I know a bit of road that runs across a whole region underground
Torley Linden: Yip yip!
Wyn Galbraith: Lets you see each sim without being bounced around by parcel limits.
Torley Linden: Part of the prob with roads is not just that they don't seem to be used very much, but part of their lack of usage is due to botched region crossings...
Wyn Galbraith: Underground?
Wyn Galbraith: Where?
Torley Linden remembers trying to explore Second Life on trike, and ended up midway in asphalt.
Torley Linden: Whoa, where's that Daed?
Miz Mizin: I cant walk down roads well
Wyn Galbraith would put up 'warning sim crossing' signs.
Miz Mizin: i fall off them
Torley Linden: I didn't know other Lindens were adding road still...
Amphithetre Andalso: Yeah, I went for a drive with a friend, and the car kicked us out and went on a rampage in someone's garden
Torley Linden: Haha, I like those warning signs too, they doth crack me up!
Daedalus Young: on the Atoll, if the map loads...
Torley Linden: I've had embarrassing times with vehicles that got lost.
Wyn Galbraith: There's so much that can be done for the roads, Torley.
Emtu Pfeffer: The only ground vehicle I've successfully widely explored SL in is a Dominus Shadow - it has a "safe sim crossing" feature.
Wyn Galbraith: Crossings that are more dangerous could have extra warnings.
Daedalus Young: from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Citrago/11/60/37 onto the North
Pavig Lok: i waggle my finger at no copy vehicle designers all the time :P
Solivar Scarborough: there would be so much that could be done with roads if they weren't subject to the lag or sim crossing issues
Torley Linden: I would like to ride on smooth roads, and have some great cross-SL trips. Well, big chunks of it anyway.
Amphithetre Andalso: Same goes for ships in the water or railways...
Torley Linden: Francis Chung was smart that way with the Dominus Shadow.
Solivar Scarborough: as it stands now, they're picturesque but not very useful
Amphithetre Andalso: A bus service could be fun, too
Torley Linden saw Fran's recent bug reports on Havok 4 and the Shadow.
Torley Linden: I like to take tours, automated rides...
Wyn Galbraith: Even with sim crossings the roads should be funished just because they would be easier to use.
Torley Linden: so I have hands free to take snapshots.
Solivar Scarborough: frannie is fargin brilliant
Torley Linden: Thanks Daed. *makes a note*
Daedalus Young: I have a Nissan car that detects sim crossings and slow down on them
Emtu Pfeffer: Really? how is it?
Daedalus Young: but you lose your speed obviously
Amphithetre Andalso: It isn't the freebie from the nissan sim? Cause that was the one that went possessed
Torley Linden: Yeah, even with compensation, it still "nulls" the illusion that it's one big swatch of terrain.
Solivar Scarborough: frannie should have a Linden sim named for him
Pavig Lok: havok breaks some of the shadows hacks, but it already works outside the bounds of the sl phys system
Wyn Galbraith passes fast through bad sim crossings for a rush.
Daedalus Young: they had 2 free cars
Daedalus Young: I have them both
Amphithetre Andalso: Hrm
Torley Linden really is craving to go inworld and explore more! It's been awhile since I've really done that.
Daedalus Young: I think the Altima works
Solivar Scarborough: life of a jetsetter
Daedalus Young: but it's a bit heavy on prims
Pavig Lok: schedule some time for "research" i think it's important for the lindens to get in here sometimes
Wyn Galbraith: It's a soothing activity. I do SL exploring when I'm upset or depressed.
Torley Linden: Hmmm was it Nissan that had the giant loop-de-loop?
Emtu Pfeffer: The Shadow really is an excellent SL car
Amphithetre Andalso: Yeah lol
Daedalus Young: here I'm trying to get my car to a Diner: http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=220731
Torley Linden: I would likely have to explore on an alt tho, this account of mine is just too bustlin'!
Solivar Scarborough: wel there's only so heavy it can get - vehicles can't go above - is it 30 prims?
Emtu Pfeffer: I've made it through some interesting tracks with mine
Torley Linden: Nice, classic roadside diner... OMG!
Torley Linden: THAT'S FLEA'S DINER!
Torley Linden: I know Flea!
Torley Linden: Fleabite Beach that is.
Wyn Galbraith: LOL
Daedalus Young: it's a cool place, yes
Torley Linden: That's one of the earliest places I hung out in Second Life.
Wyn Galbraith: Where's that?
Daedalus Young: in Montara, close to the sandbox
Pavig Lok: yeah and you can camp for some lindies to buy hair lol
Torley Linden: All the objects, well most of them anyway, have VERY fun descriptions.
Daedalus Young: it has a tp link
Wyn Galbraith: I would love to have the income to open up a sim just for camping newbies.
Amphithetre Andalso: I just found Greenie's recently. They've put the cat up for sale too, but it's something like 100 usd
Wyn Galbraith: Like the Smokey Mountain camps complete with bears.
Torley Linden really digs fun object descriptions.
Torley Linden: Whoa, that's like, well, the cost of some physical cats.
Torley Linden: Or so it sounds like.
Amphithetre Andalso: Scary :/
Solivar Scarborough: I like poking behind things at greenies..checking the labels
Pavig Lok: i don't think it's that much but people buy those things cause of the starax factor - they're like art collectors
Amphithetre Andalso: Did you look in the refigerator ice box? ;p
Solivar Scarborough: mmhmm
Wyn Galbraith: That is most likely the true value for the design and coding.
Torley Linden: Yup, it's intriguing, virtual art in an online world.
Amphithetre Andalso: tee
Solivar Scarborough: or inside the mantle radio
Torley Linden: And what people can make for a living here, I think it's great to explore new frontiers.
Amphithetre Andalso: Been all over that place
Wyn Galbraith: Everyone in SL is an artist you know.
Torley Linden likes to move my camera around a lot.
Torley Linden: We all make our mark on the world, eh?
Pavig Lok: most residents i think the older they get the more they buy stuff cause they appreciate the art in their making.
Wyn Galbraith: As soon as you make changes to your avatar, you're an artist, a designer, etc.
Miz Mizin: i build
Daedalus Young: especially with sites like Snapzilla
Torley Linden: That's a very good way of looking at it I think, Wyn.
Solivar Scarborough: well...you're expressing yourself at least
Wyn Galbraith buys from others for that reason Pavig. "I can make mostly everything now, but I still buy."
Amphithetre Andalso: I do art ;p
Torley Linden has a big heart for inworld photography. :D
Torley Linden: Capturing memories, including builds that are no longer around.
Torley Linden: And it does make me sad to see pictures of people who are no longer in SL...
Emtu Pfeffer should take more screenshots
Amphithetre Andalso: I have a bit of a hobby of taking snaps myself :D
Wyn Galbraith: I've been thinking of actually doing something with her inworld photography.
Wyn Galbraith: With my
Torley Linden: and I'm like, "I remember when I hung out with them, and we went across to that club, and danced as giant muffins!"
Daedalus Young: I sometimes go to the newest regions, still empty, and make a Snap of the landscape
Amphithetre Andalso: So true, Torley
Torley Linden: That's a fave of mine Daed with virgin land for sure.
Torley Linden: Ahhhh.
Torley Linden: *hears nostalgic music*
Solivar Scarborough: I'm at 50/50 - some stuff I'll buy so I dodn't have to make it, some stuff I make so I don't have to buy it
Wyn Galbraith is always taking snapshots, "And the quiet snapshot thing doesn't work for me."
Daedalus Young: also because I can set the draw distance at 2000m without losing framerates :P
Torley Linden: I would like to thank each and all of you for being here with me at today's office hour... I've going to say bye for now because other work beckons, and hope you have a lovely weekend!
Amphithetre Andalso: I'll something buy stiff just for the parts--texture or scripts or sculpts
Daedalus Young: thanks Torley
Emtu Pfeffer: See ya Torley
Wyn Galbraith: I do that more now Solivar. If it's something with textures that are different I'll buy it.
Amphithetre Andalso: o/, wonderful time again
Pavig Lok: have a good one torley. nice to see you again
Claryssa Schmidt: bye Torley :)
Miz Mizin: thanks for the chat
Torley Linden: Thank YOU... and see ya fer now... ! To be continued...... =oD
Solivar Scarborough: cheers T - always a treat - did you like your shambles?
Wyn Galbraith: Bye Torley /bb
Miz Mizin: may al your watermelons grow well
Daedalus Young: see you later
JetZep Zabelin: byebye =)
Amphithetre Andalso: woo woo, continu'ed