User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2007-11-09

6 AM

Torley Linden: OH HELLO!!!!
Chaos Mohr: Hiya Torley :)
waelya Tenk: hi : )
Lyndsey Forager: lHiya tORLEY
Lyndsey Forager: HEY HEY CHASE
Chase Marellan: Hey Torley
Chase Marellan: Hi all
Randal Kline: hi torley. good day to you
Torley Linden: *flies over to a seat*
Torley Linden: Good day to you too!
Chase Marellan: Hi, Lyndsey!!!
Randal Kline: hi chase : )
Torley Linden: Heya Chaos, waelya, Lyndsey, Chase, Randal, everyone!
Chase Marellan: Hi, Randal!
waelya Tenk: : )
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, its so good to se you, I was so dissapointed to miss your office hours lastweek wih the clockes in the uk changing
Torley Linden: Awwwwe!
Lyndsey Forager: he he
Torley Linden: Daylight Savings Time can be confusing.
Lyndsey Forager: it really can be, and scotland is so dark back on GMT
Chase Marellan: I'm mad because they extended it. It used to be on my birthday (or near enough) and nbody needs an extra hour more than I do. :)
Chase Marellan: Hey, Dizzy
Dizzy Banjo: morning folks
Lyndsey Forager: lol chase
waelya Tenk: hi dizzy
Lyndsey Forager: hey hey dizzy
Dizzy Banjo: well i truly am on eastern time now
Lyndsey Forager: are you all settled after your move Torley?
Dizzy Banjo: wow im lagging bad here today for some reason
Torley Linden: I am still getting settled, getting used to things... but the bulk of the settlage is done I'd say.
Chase Marellan: Heheeh... That's what you get for staying up all night, Dizzy
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: Good to see ya Dizzy and sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting the other day! How'd it go? (Maybe it's already on your blog?)
Chase Marellan: If only you could move the way you do in SL
Dizzy Banjo: yeh it was great
Chase Marellan: Point -> Take -> Go. :)
Lyndsey Forager: I always lag here, but as i am at work and this is my lunchtime and i am on my laooy i ALWAYS laG ON MY LAPPY
Torley Linden: Awwwwe.
Lyndsey Forager: laggy lappy
Lyndsey Forager: :)
Torley Linden: Sometimes at meetings when things get too laggy, I zoom into the floor, occlusion culling takes effect, and SL gets faster. But, then I can't see all the delightful avatars.
Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. u know.. im really at that point now when i just WISH that RL and TPs
Torley Linden: Hee hee I see you joined Watermelon Nation, Lyndsey. :)
Lyndsey Forager: yeahhhh
Torley Linden: Dizzy, have you seen the trailer for that movie, Jumper?
Lyndsey Forager: its cute
Dizzy Banjo: http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/
Dizzy Banjo: oh no
Dizzy Banjo: logs from metamusic05 up there btw
waelya Tenk: what movie?
Dizzy Banjo: ill check that out
Lyndsey Forager: Did I tell you the exciting news about DJ Jenns?
Torley Linden: Kewl. *looks*
Torley Linden: Jumper is a "RL teleportation" sort of movie.
Torley Linden: It's based on a sci-fi novel.
Dizzy Banjo: my fav book on teleporting.. is "The Stars my Destination" by Alfred Bester.. where they just "jaunte" ( teleport) by thinking where they want to go
Chase Marellan: very cool
Torley Linden: Ohh ya got some good Lindens there, Dizzy.
Lyndsey Forager: He was discovered by an Italian man, who liked his DJ'ing on sl - and he has hired him to DJ in ITALY all winter
waelya Tenk: undersatnd
Lyndsey Forager: I am going with him to Italy for 5 whole weeks
Dizzy Banjo: yeh it was a good discussion.. but very difficult to structure as there is so much to cover
Chase Marellan: nice, lyndsey
Lyndsey Forager: how exciting is that
waelya Tenk: pls all, sorry my english...
Lyndsey Forager: no worries waelya
waelya Tenk: : ) thx
Torley Linden: *listens*
Dizzy Banjo: i think its going to be monthly or two weekly at a minumum.. perhaps with normal resident discussions bashing out stuff in between
waelya Tenk: i can undersatnd good more less.. but for explain me i am bad...
waelya Tenk: yeah i listen
Torley Linden: Dizzy: OH YEAH THAT'S THE BOOK WHERE I learned the term "jaunting" from.
Torley Linden: I haven't read it but I am familiar with it.
Dizzy Banjo: yeh its wonderful.. bester is amazing
Dizzy Banjo: favourite author of William Gibson
Lyndsey Forager: I like going off for a Jaunt up the wood with my doggy
Torley Linden: I like that there is a character on Babylon 5 named after Bester.
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Chaos Mohr: wb Torley
waelya Tenk: : )
Torley Linden: Thanks, I crashed.
Lyndsey Forager: are you ok Torley
Torley Linden: I was trying to adjust a flexiprim.
Lyndsey Forager: well, you look great Torley
Torley Linden: Apparently, Client menu > Debug Settings > RenderFlexTimeFactor is supposed to control flexiprim detail but I wasn't seeing much of a difference...
Torley Linden: so I set the number really low, and then... CRASH!
Torley Linden: What'd I miss? :)
Dizzy Banjo: just watching Jumper trailer
Torley Linden: Ahhs.
Dizzy Banjo: lol this is going to be funny .. in the UK "Jumper" is like a pullover
Lyndsey Forager: hiya fenix
Fenix Eldritch: hi
Dizzy Banjo: a sweater
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Lyndsey Forager: yep, i have a cosy red jumper
Chaos Mohr: Torley, did they update the server code already to fix the 'so and so has left the session' in group im's - noticed it yesterday, haven't seen it manifest yet today?
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Torley Linden: A movie about a cosy red jumper wouldn't be so bad!
Lyndsey Forager: lol
waelya Tenk: hahah
Torley Linden: Chaos, that may've been one of the fixes, I'm not sure; did you see it in the Release Notes?
Torley Linden: All fixes should be in the Release Notes.
Chaos Mohr: lol no, it just appeared yesterday, but I think it is a server side, not viewer issue if what I read on the pjira is correct
Lyndsey Forager: guess what Torley - It snowed for the first time this year at my house last night
Lyndsey Forager: brrrrrrr
Torley Linden: Oh after the rolling update, Chaos?
Torley Linden: Really Lyndsey? Despite the cold, are you enjoying th snow?
Torley Linden: *the
Lyndsey Forager: i love the snow
Chaos Mohr: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-929
Dizzy Banjo: hey.. also wanted to ask the current position on megaprims.. as they may affect a certain ( very exciting ) project im working on with Chase and Eshi Otawara at the mo...
Lyndsey Forager: especially when there is so much snow the roads get closed and i get a free day ooff work
Lyndsey Forager: lolol
Lyndsey Forager: hmmmm, wonder what i do with an extra day off
waelya Tenk: i have one qstion.... what happen when some is banned in SL? cant connect in some days?
Lyndsey Forager: hmmmmmm, on the puter by any chance
Torley Linden: Dizzy, I'm not sure of that but I know Michael posted on the blog asking about them recently, and that the & Governance Team hold regular Office Hours too.
Lyndsey Forager: lololol
Dizzy Banjo: ok
Torley Linden: I don't know of any plans to delete existing content with megaprims or megaprims out in the wild...
Dizzy Banjo: phew :P
Torley Linden: waelya: A ban is permanent, a suspension is temporary. If someone's banned, their account is most likely disabled and cancelled.
waelya Tenk: undersatnd
Lyndsey Forager: i like megaprims
waelya Tenk: so ban is for some important
Torley Linden: Thanks for the pointer to SVC-929, Chaos, I'll check with our devs about it.
waelya Tenk: and suspension is for some less important...
waelya Tenk: when some is suspension.. what happen?
waelya Tenk: a days not connect?
Torley Linden: When someone's suspended, they can't connect for a # of days, depending on the severity of the suspension.
Chaos Mohr wishes the cornfield would come back ;)
Torley Linden: Hehe, the cornfield was a "fun" idea but it didn't scale.
waelya Tenk: i had a idea dor suspensions : ))
Dizzy Banjo: cool down period.. lol
waelya Tenk: yes like the cornfield
Moard Ling: Torley, What is the mysterious new video tutorial about ?
Torley Linden: Moard, you'll find out when it comes out... hehe. :)
Torley Linden: I really did want to put it out on Thursday!
waelya Tenk: i think that when some is suspension can connect to limited area... like a jail
Torley Linden: Thanx for your curiosity, tho.
Dizzy Banjo: btw .. ive moved over to Tivona.. Slim Warrior's great new island which will be a real hive of musical activity
Fenix Eldritch: didn't they do that? Something like a corn field?
waelya Tenk: yes
Torley Linden: waelya, yes, we did try that before in the form of a cornfield, but wasn't scalable across a larger community.
Lyndsey Forager: cool dizzy
waelya Tenk: hahah realy?
Lyndsey Forager: i like menorca
Torley Linden: Oooh Tivona eh?
waelya Tenk: i am from spain : )
Dizzy Banjo: its next to Menorca - where loads of nice gigs happen.. Tivona will be like a musical community centre
Torley Linden makes a note to check that out.
Torley Linden: What's that name mean, "Tivona"?
Torley Linden: I've enjoyed visiting Menorca long ago.
Dizzy Banjo: it means nature i think
waelya Tenk: in spanish is nothing....
waelya Tenk: Tivona...
Lyndsey Forager: Its nearly my rez day, I cant believe Lyndsey Forager is nearly 1 year old - I also cant believe how much sl has change and improved me
Torley Linden: Re: "left this group" spam, looks like this is the biggest Issue Tracker issue on it... https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2995
waelya Tenk: issue = problem?
Fenix Eldritch: "Rez day" ... hah, I can't believe I've never heard of that before
Torley Linden: Yes waelya, in this case.
Lyndsey Forager: he he
waelya Tenk: oki
Torley Linden: Awww that's cool, Lyndsey!
Torley Linden: I like the term, rezday.
waelya Tenk: yes is cool term
waelya Tenk: : )
Lyndsey Forager: it funny how its things like rezday and all the other little quirks that makes sl much much more than a game
Chaos Mohr: They might have pushed a fix in the rolling restart yesterday Torley on that as I haven't noticed it yet today in any big group IM's - at least I'm hoping ;)
Lyndsey Forager: i think Lyndsey Forager is deffinitly an extension of me - not a replacement
Fenix Eldritch: Indeed. I'm also fond of the concept of a lag storm
Dizzy Banjo: it will be weird when dizzy is 3 lol
Ina Centaur: (hi)
Lyndsey Forager: Hiya Ina
waelya Tenk: hi Ina
Ina Centaur: oh yay i just turned 1 a few days ago ;-P
Lyndsey Forager: Happy rez day Ina
Quic Maggs: WTF?
Ina Centaur: although there are 4 SL sunsets/sunrises in a RL day ... so i guess i'm 4 now ;-P
Ina Centaur: happy rez day too!
Dizzy Banjo: lol ina
waelya Tenk: heheh
Lyndsey Forager: lo
Torley Linden: No one can have a Second Life without a First Life... it precludes the necessity.
Torley Linden: Hey new faces coming in...
Moard Ling: How about a clue to the tutorials conetent
Torley Linden: Quic, you're kinda like Pinhead from Hellraiser doing a dance on the watermelon table.
Torley Linden: That's really surreal.
Lyndsey Forager: hey Quic, there is a seat beside me
waelya Tenk: hahaha i agree torley
Ina Centaur: now torley... you'd have to convince the transhumanists about that statement lol
Quic Maggs: Il est vraimentttttttt il est vraimenttttttt il est vraiment PHENOMENAL LE YANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Torley Linden: Moard: It would be too obvious! ;) I appreciate your curiosity tho, and you look awesome in WindLight shiny. :)
waelya Tenk: when windlight for all?
Ina Centaur: there are some pretty hardcore people here believing that SL can be used as a form of transhumanism -- ie, virtual brain sorta thing
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Quic Maggs: Pobre Diabla!
Dizzy Banjo: .. Quic sparks interesting question..
Ina Centaur: bonjour quic. parle vous anglais
Quic Maggs: I DIDN'T DO IT
Quic Maggs: i dident do it
Dizzy Banjo: is there a way to mute *just* the audio emitted from gestures from someone ?
Dizzy Banjo: and not mute their chat ? etc
Ina Centaur: si, il est vraiment.. tres interesant o.O
Quic Maggs: Ass
Quic Maggs: Titties
Quic Maggs: Ass and Titties
Quic Maggs: Ass Ass
Quic Maggs: Titties Titties
Quic Maggs: Ass and Titties!!
Lyndsey Forager: quic, that watermelon looks too tasty to stamp on
Quic Maggs: Ass
Quic Maggs: Titties
waelya Tenk: : S
Quic Maggs: Ass and Titties
Quic Maggs: Ass Ass
Quic Maggs: Titties Titties
Quic Maggs: Ass and Titties!!
Torley Linden: Oh my gosh, spam!
Fenix Eldritch: Oh Torley, I have a question maybe you could answer. A few of the rental sims have been dormant for some time. Are there plans to revert them to their default state? I loved hanging out in Iridium and building peacefully
Torley Linden: Please stop spamming, Quic. :)
Ina Centaur: tres bete, quic
Quic Maggs: dont no
Torley Linden: I wish I could speak French better for instances like this!
Alan45 Beck: Spam on watermellon....... mmmmmm
Lyndsey Forager: mmmm
waelya Tenk: : )
Ina Centaur: dizzy, try edit > preferences. there's something in sound
Lyndsey Forager: SPAM SPAM SPAM SAPM
Torley Linden: Fenix, hmmm good question, that's something I'll ask Concierge Team about. You mean, they were rented, terraformed, and haven't been rolled back?
Fenix Eldritch: Yup. That's it exactly
Torley Linden: I don't know of a way to more selectively mute audio from a single Resident, Dizzy.
Dizzy Banjo: yeh id like to be able to just mute sounds without muting chat
Dizzy Banjo: ok
Dizzy Banjo: i think that would be a good feature
Torley Linden: Quic, bienvenue... would you like to sit down?
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: Fenix, I'll ask them about that, then. I remember a previous instance in which it happened on Brilliant and those vehicle regions and they eventually got rolled back.
Quic Maggs: no thanks im off 2 bed now!!
Torley Linden: Heya Tooshy, that's pretty red hair!
Quic Maggs: SORRY EVERY1!!!
Fenix Eldritch: Iridium was like the only place I could work on my ships. Been searching for a drydock ever since
Torley Linden: OK QUIC well have a nice BED TIME! =o)
Torley Linden: Ahhh.
Tooshy Toshi: tx
waelya Tenk: : )
Torley Linden doesn't quite recall the geography, but I like peaceful landscapes.
Lyndsey Forager: see ya quic
Fenix Eldritch: Thanks Torley! :)
Quic Maggs: BYEEEEEE
waelya Tenk: bye!
Alan45 Beck: spraking of rollbacks.....what happens to abandoned land?
Torley Linden: You're welcome, Fenix!
Torley Linden: Alan45: Depends specifically which and what you mean by "abandoned land"?
Dizzy Banjo checks his mute list.. and sees he has muted "tropical fern".. lol
Torley Linden: For example, if there's a parcel someone's paying for and it looks vacant but their account in good standing, then it continues to belong to them.
Chase Marellan: I have to say I've never seen an idiot more effectively and peacefully dealt with. That was quite refreshing, actually.
Alan45 Beck: when someone selects abandon on the lads popup.
Dizzy Banjo: lol chase
Alan45 Beck: land popup
Torley Linden: Alan45: Ah, well that gets reclaimed by Governor Linden. At a point in the future (there are periodic cycles), it may get reauctioned.
Ina Centaur: ok
Alan45 Beck: there is no way to grab it if you find it abandoned?
Ina Centaur: so you don't automatically lose your land if you have an emo bout and click "abandon land" ?
Ina Centaur: o.O
Torley Linden: No, not anymore Alan45.
Torley Linden: Ina: You do lose it to Governor Linden.
Alan45 Beck: :(
Ina Centaur: oh lol
Torley Linden: Land used to go "public" and there were CRAZY LAND GRABS.
Torley Linden: But, this caused disputes...
Ina Centaur: oops misread - i thought there wa a sort of recycle bin sort of thing before absolute deletion
Torley Linden: people would click it in accident, etc.
Torley Linden: History is curious that way.
Chaos Mohr: parcels over 512m are set to auction que for L$, over 4096m for USD auctions, less than 512m if you own land on 3 sides of the parcel, you can put in a ticket to request buying it
Torley Linden: Thanks for the details, Chaos! Do you deal much with land?
Torley Linden: I didn't know about the "ticket to request buying it" under that condition tho; I should check with Concierge & Land folks, but where did you see that info?
Chaos Mohr: yes Torley, bought and sold about 2 million meters this past month ;)
Ina Centaur: wow!
Torley Linden: Ooooh kewl.
waelya Tenk: i sell my land chaos : ) and two sims if you interesed... : ))
Alan45 Beck: ( jelous)
Chaos Mohr: it is not posted info as far as I know Torley, although it is generally allowed for parcels under 512m due to the proliferation of ad farms and such land that is abandoned
Torley Linden: OK, because it wasn't policy that I've heard stated officially.
Ina Centaur wants another 256x256.... running out of prims and forcing myself to convert pretty stairs into sculpties >.<
Chaos Mohr: as they don't auction currently less than 512m parcels generally, there is a lot of the tiny stuff laying around, best to go to neighbors than to ad farmers ;)
Torley Linden: Yeah, it's nice to be friendly with your neighbors... have a mutual agreement.
Nock Forager: Interesting rule.
Lyndsey Forager: torley, does the avatar you have on just now have a cool and funky name?
Ina Centaur: btw is there a way to find out who owns a sim that blocks public access?
Chaos Mohr: right click, about land, Owner?
Ina Centaur: the catch is you can't TP into the sim
Ina Centaur: ah, it's an island sim
Nock Forager: at landstore?
waelya Tenk: hi mouse : )
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: It's called a "Watermelon Dazzle Bat" by Sylver Bu of Teen Second Life!
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Marianne McCann: It's cool
Ina Centaur: nope. just a neighbor
Lyndsey Forager: very funkilicious
Torley Linden: Thanx, I really enjoy being a dazzle bat... the name is pretty self-explanatory I think!
Randal Kline: can transfer stuffs from TSL to SL?
waelya Tenk: hi marianne : ) i love your photos
Torley Linden: It's kind of funny one of the Linden Lab projects I'm working on right now is called Dazzle.
Torley Linden: Generally not unless you're a teen who graduates from TSL, Randal.
Marianne McCann: Hi waelya - thankoo
Nock Forager: ah I mean can't you see the owner name of the SIM at land store.
Marianne McCann: I gots a lotta stuff goin on with my piccies right not too
Marianne McCann smiles
Nock Forager: (I'm not sure it is available on current land store system...)
Torley Linden: So many ways to say thanks. :)
Marianne McCann: An thankoo
waelya Tenk: : ))
Ina Centaur: wow, do TSL things get transferred in full to SL?
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Torley Linden: If any of you haven't heard yet, I'm getting the word out about user interface improvements, a skinning project we're doing @ LL... opening it up to Residents (that means you!): http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Dazzle
Torley Linden: If you wanna check it out.
Ina Centaur: oh wow. didn't know these multichair things had limits!
Marianne McCann: Torley? Did the time of day get switched around with the restart?
Lyndsey Forager: Hiya Nock nice to meet another "forager£
Dizzy Banjo: spoke to GIf Constable a bit about skinning at Virtual Worlds Forum
Nock Forager: :)
Torley Linden: Ina: Generally speaking, but we can't guarantee.
Dizzy Banjo: think OnRez will be doing that kind of thing too
Marianne McCann is looking forward to Dazzle, but it more wanting Windlight
Torley Linden: Mari, elaborate please?
Ina Centaur: hmm. lol just did a vista-esque site design... vista skin to SL, anyone?
Torley Linden: Yeah, I'm excited to see the OnRez viewer, and more to come.
Marianne McCann: Well, it is 6:42 am right now, SLT
Marianne McCann: An it is full dark
Randal Kline: PST
Torley Linden: aliceinwire Bleac is making a purple skin, and a watermelon skin.
Marianne McCann: Last night in my home sim, also main land, it was full dark at 10:45
Torley Linden: Mari: Hm, I heard some observances of that related to llGetTimeofDay I think?
Ina Centaur: yes the 4 sl sunrises don't really correspond to PST
Dizzy Banjo hopes the normal blue / yellow skin will always be available
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Torley Linden: There are supposed to be 6 in a day, Ina... each full SL day cycle is 4 hrs.
Lyndsey Forager: hmm, had my avatar bocome invisable to anyone else? i can only see my hair and skirt
Torley Linden: 6 in an 24-hr. Earth-day, I mean.
Marianne McCann: Maybe. It's odd, as I'm accustomed to 12, 4, and 8 for full dark
Ina Centaur: oh blue skin.. i guess i'll send you a blast for the past, dizzy ;-)
Torley Linden: Lyndsey, I still see you.
Torley Linden: Haha Second Life used to have this old green skin.
Dizzy Banjo: and especially the sounds.. :D they are so "familiar"
Torley Linden: I didn't use it myself, but I've seen photos.
Marianne McCann: Normally, yer office hours is at daytime - though the dark benefits yer avvie
Marianne McCann giggles
Torley Linden: Ryan Linden did the sounds way back, give your good regards to him if ya like 'em!
Torley Linden: Hmm that is a good point, Mari.
waelya Tenk: : )
Torley Linden: I am glad you notice these things.
Tallulah Tripsa: argh
Tallulah Tripsa: ooops sry
Marianne McCann: Thankoo, Ina
Dizzy Banjo: thanks Ina
Torley Linden: Oh Lyndsey, looks like someone's wearing an invisiprim that also made you momentarily invisible?
Marianne McCann: Thankoo... I'm jes a detail kinda person
Marianne McCann giggles
Lyndsey Forager: i think it might be phil
Torley Linden: Hmmm...
Phli Foxchase: oups sorry
Torley Linden: Phli, this is weird, I see (???) (???) for your name.
Torley Linden: When I try to see your profile.
Phli Foxchase: I think I'm buging
Aidan Aquacade: Some times I see "(hippos)" when people's names aren't loading...
Lyndsey Forager: lol hippos
Marianne McCann: Ya, like on Friend's list. The ol Hippo
waelya Tenk: hippos? : ))
Torley Linden: Yup, that's a legacy thing.
Alan45 Beck: HIPO!
Randal Kline: i see 1 "waiting" nowadays whenever i login
Torley Linden: Where do you see it, Randal?
Lyndsey Forager: i might be a curvey girlie - but i aint no hippo
Randal Kline: on the Contacts Tab
Marianne McCann: I've been having the *worst* logins lately, Randal
Ina Centaur: yes. i have to clear cache every single time :-O
Lyndsey Forager: did anyone else go to the fireworks at he weekend?
Marianne McCann: I sit there in a falling ruth for ever while my friends list sllllowly loads
Moard Ling: was is the record for most people on the grid ?
waelya Tenk: ops sorry all.... real life calling me : ) was great this meeting see us all!!
Marianne McCann: An usually eityher my money or my shape, or my offlines dun get there
Alan45 Beck: I did not know of fireworks.
Torley Linden: Record concurrency is somewhat above 50,000 I think... I must have the exact number around here somewhere...
Lyndsey Forager: see ya waelya
waelya Tenk: i saw more of 50 000
Nock Forager: ah Would any of you mind if I'm asking about Internationalization?
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
waelya Tenk: 53000
waelya Tenk: bye all!!
Torley Linden: Take care waelya!
Marianne McCann: Everybuggy see the new Tableau? Or the poppy sims for the 11th?
Torley Linden: Sure Nock, go for it.
Moard Ling: i saw 94k posted in Kelly's L place
Dizzy Banjo: cyas :)
Dizzy Banjo: 94 !!
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: Poppy sims? Rememberance Day ones? What are their names?
Nock Forager: thanks. I want to know who should I talk to about it, after Iridium leave LL...
Lyndsey Forager: new tableau?
Tallulah Tripsa: wow!...sooo many?
Dizzy Banjo: that cant be true.. lol surely
Torley Linden: *checks* I may be WAY off with concurrency then... sec... let me get the stats!
Marianne McCann: Poppy, with their number after. I was in Poppy 5 yesterday. Want a LM?
Torley Linden: *smiles*
Lyndsey Forager: is the sushie rollerdisco still there?
Lyndsey Forager: can i have a LM please marianne?
Dizzy Banjo: i think it went up to approaching 54
Marianne McCann: Nope... but there's a club inside of a giant 'gator
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Randal Kline: how do you guys find out when there are new sims around?
Marianne McCann gave you Poppy 5 - Cenotaph, Poppy 5 (129, 142, 55).
Dizzy Banjo: with various things.. CSI.. office etc..
Torley Linden: Thx for the landmark.
Lyndsey Forager: 'course, its remembarance sunday this weekend
Marianne McCann: I hear about 'em from everywheres, or see 'em on snapz of flicke
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Lyndsey Forager: armistace day
Nock Forager: One of my friend checking new arrival SIMs everyday...
Torley Linden: Hmmm I don't have an exact number here but I have a recent concurrency graph, sez the max. is somewhere past 55,000.
Marianne McCann: They're gonna be doin a concurrant moment of silence on the poppy sims
Torley Linden: I discover new regions through numerous methods, one of my faves is logging in and finding surprise landmarks in my inventory!
Torley Linden: I'm compelled to check those out. =)
Randal Kline: nock: may i know how they check? *curious*
Dizzy Banjo: i love JUST using the map.. and just TPing around randomly
Torley Linden: And Nock, re: Internationalization, depends what specific question you have?
Torley Linden: I know Jaime Linden is a project leader re: Internationalization, and she helps get work to the right Lindens for translation, so she's a good source you may wanna ask.
Alan45 Beck: There should be a "new" tab in the search pop up. New things stay there for a week than fall off.
Nock Forager: ya, current Japanese UI has some major problems.
Dizzy Banjo: thats an interesting idea alan
Torley Linden: I know Alissa Sabre has been doing FAB helping out with Japanese improvements.
Nock Forager: ya, she is my frined.
Torley Linden: I like discovering new stuff and agree we need better ways of finding out about it, Alan45...
Ina Centaur: oh, is there a traditional chinese viewer yet?
Aidan Aquacade: Europeans have to pay VAT now too which might put some people off
Lyndsey Forager: VAT is NASTY
Dizzy Banjo: will be really interesting to see how the "google" seach affects things like that..
Marianne McCann: I imagine the new search will help with dat. 'least I hope
Dizzy Banjo: yeh
Torley Linden: Mhmm Mari... better Search, I'm definitely excited about.
Marianne McCann: Me too. Right now, Search is my least favorite method of finding stuff
Lyndsey Forager: Torley - do you think peoples online offline status will ever come back?
Randal Kline: LL selling keywords for the new search? :P
Nock Forager: Randal. this is new sim list site -> http://slmapshot.opentool.jp/
Randal Kline: thx
Alan45 Beck: I discovered Google Island yesterday.]
Torley Linden: No, but Classifieds will have better value because they'll be more easily searchable.
Marianne McCann: Google has an island now?
Dizzy Banjo: at VWF .. Gif was talking about trying to improve group tools with OnRez.. do you think LL will be doing group tools changes too ? personally i get enough spam from 25 groups
Ina Centaur: oh really!
Marianne McCann: I'll hafta take a peek
Alan45 Beck: yes, no landmakrk tho.
Ina Centaur: does t hat mean they're giving up google worlds = sketchup + earth + communications channel?
Torley Linden: Dizzy, yes, I hope so, some of the changes I forsee are inevitable/essential to scale.
Torley Linden: I would still like to be able to mute group IMs selectively. :)
Dizzy Banjo: no Ina that is still happening
Torley Linden: Also, a clarification that while the new Search is powered by Google technology, we have not entered a business deal partnering with Google.
Ina Centaur: what i want to see is the ultimate inventory search... like one that allows for thumbnail generations of textures.. and 3d thumbnails for objects
Torley Linden: Fine distinction there.
Marianne McCann: I would*love* some changes to the grous... I need so many for malls an stuff
Torley Linden: I'd love to have 3D inventory preview, like a hologram.
Moard Ling: I want hair to be a system folder
Torley Linden: Kinda like how some games show you a 3D spinning representation of inventory stuff.
Marianne McCann: I like the way you tink
Dizzy Banjo: as far as i understand it.. the google world may not be that similar to SL.. i think its an "real" earth simulation
Torley Linden: Lemme guess, Moard, a LOTTA HAIR?
Marianne McCann: I wanna pony
Marianne McCann giggles
Alan45 Beck: Ina that would be great!
Marianne McCann: I kid.. I already got one
Ina Centaur: lol not necessarily a 3d hologram as in physical preview.. but just a thumbnail sized 3d rotational view of each object in inventory
Dizzy Banjo: closer to an expansion of the concept of google earth tied in with lots of other stuff.. kind of like "virtual earth"
Torley Linden: Ina: Yeah, I'd like an overlay... but I want to be able to zoom into it too, like any inworld object.
Ina Centaur: but thumbnails for textures at least would be helpful in finding duplicates quickly
Lyndsey Forager: sorry foles, must dash, but its been a pleasure
Ina Centaur: uuid crosschecking would work for that actually.. hm
Lyndsey Forager: see ya
Torley Linden: It's been good havin' ya here Lyndsey, take care!
Marianne McCann: Have fun, Lyndsey!
Dizzy Banjo: bye lyndsey
Nock Forager: cha!
Ina Centaur: like having a viewer within a viewer
Marianne McCann: Torley? Did I see someting recently on an update for the way ground textures an stuff work?
Dizzy Banjo wants an overlay of SL on his RL viewer ;)
Torley Linden: Mari, not sure what you're referring to?
Torley Linden: If you have a source I might be able to shed more light on it. :)
Marianne McCann: Lemme bounce to the JIRA an see if I can find it
Ina Centaur: ooh when is windlight reincarnating?
Torley Linden: That is the #1 question I get asked. :)
Torley Linden: *big smile*
Torley Linden: I don't have an ETA but "soon" is the hope.
Torley Linden: I am vague that way because the last few times I announced a date, we found showstopper bugs.
Marianne McCann: Well, everyone sees the piccies an is dyin for it
Torley Linden: Or other concerns (e.g., release scheduling).
Torley Linden: I'M SUCH A SEVERE WINDLIGHT TEASE, I KNOW! :D
Torley Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden/Project_updates
Alan45 Beck: <- watching Torleys T.O.W. on other monitor..... he he
Moard Ling: Is Windlight on the new video tutorial ?
Torley Linden: Hehehe Alan45!
Moard Ling: if so it sTuesday
Torley Linden: Moard: Nope, but it's the one after that I hope.
Torley Linden: WindLight will be Tip of the Week #11 or #12 I bet.
Torley Linden: That's tentative but that's the plan for now.
Moard Ling *make physical note*
Torley Linden: That was a subtle clue, eh? ;)
Torley Linden: But yeah, I don't wanna jinx things. I'm not superstitious, either.
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Randal Kline: so windlight will be out before the totw?
Torley Linden: I am REALLY looking forward to all the pretty piccies that will come forth after WindLight.
Torley Linden: Randal: Not necessarily; it may be after, but if so, briefly after.
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Torley Linden: I want to time it so it correlates well with the announcement.
Fenix Eldritch: I'm curious about the cloud system in it.
Marianne McCann: Ah, found it. Missed an important word
Marianne McCann: "Torley Linden writes: This is a very old bug and doesn't seem likely to change unless we replace the terrain system a la WindLight is doing for atmospheres + water"
Torley Linden: Pastrami has this giant blog post with oodles of pretty pictures and a summation of what's new...
Marianne McCann: The unless
Torley Linden: Ah, yeah Mari, that sounds familiar. The one where, you relog, and each time terrain patches are different.
Ina Centaur: mmm pastrami
Alan45 Beck: I want to be in a TOTW!!
Marianne McCann: Ya
Torley Linden: Pastrami Linden = WindLight Team Leader.
Ina Centaur: totw?
Marianne McCann: I've jes had issues with elevation not seeming to affect texture
Ina Centaur: guessing he likes pastrami too ;-P
Marianne McCann: Well, not enough
Torley Linden: Alan45, oh you may be if you're around at the right time... haha, I don't plan to include anyone in them tho specifically, it's pretty casual.
Torley Linden: Like one day I was filming and Jeremy suddenly walks into the shot...
Torley Linden: Pastrami Linden LIKES A LOT OF FOOD. And guns.
Torley Linden: You can ask him all about those topics...
Torley Linden: Tell him I sent you! Hahahaha.
Alan45 Beck: I just want to be in the backgruond!
Marianne McCann: I wish there was a RAW layer for handling ground textures on islands, really
Ina Centaur: loll
Marianne McCann: Mmmmm
Torley Linden: I wish we could paint textures on terrain freely,
Torley Linden: I actually think that is a HiPiHi feature I'd like to see here.
Ina Centaur: ooh greater degree in texture blending
Marianne McCann: Ya, dat's be great.
Ina Centaur: hipihi is like the simplified chinese version of SL w/o the grid o.O
Torley Linden: Yeah, the random nature is frustrating when you want to make an oasis and put grass by the desert patches, but then relog and find it's moved up the hill.
Marianne McCann: 'course, anyting so I could have my darn beach
Marianne McCann giggles
Torley Linden: And you're like, "!@#$!"
Ina Centaur: and i kept on calling it hippos for a while o.O
Torley Linden: Well, maybe without the obscenities. Haha.
Dizzy Banjo really wants an english HiPiHi client
Torley Linden: Yeah, those mysterious terrain-shifting hippos, ain't they a doozy.
Torley Linden: I'm fresh with artistic inspiration today, I saw Moulin Rouge last night. Anyone else like that movie?
Alan45 Beck: didnt see it..
Marianne McCann: Sounds like a B-movie machinima
Moard Ling: Roxanne the tango
Ina Centaur: see i'm almost tempted to offer them translation services except i'm currently working on too many things...
Marianne McCann: "Attack of the ground-shifting hippos!"
Ina Centaur: and new ideas pop up daily to steal my heart and time away >.<
Dizzy Banjo: lol marianne
Torley Linden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moulin_Rouge%21
Torley Linden: Officially, it has an exclamation mark in its title. I heard that YadNi Monde (or someone?) made a build of some of the stuff inworld.
Moard Ling: didnt euan keep his clothes on ?
Torley Linden: Ina, that sounds almost like a song lyrics.
Torley Linden: Hahah Moard.
Dizzy Banjo: hmm..
Torley Linden: Yeah, the takes on contemporary pop music were great.
Ina Centaur: yes, there is a mouline rouge in old paris ... but it looks very 2003 sl o.O
Dizzy Banjo has an aversion to Craig Armstrong music for some reason
Marianne McCann: Ina - in "Paris 1900?"
Ina Centaur: oh yup
Dizzy Banjo: not so much his film stuff.. but his solo albums ... ergh
Torley Linden: 2003 SL like the Governor's Mansion?
Ina Centaur: ooh i could improv lyrics based on that i guess ;-P
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Marianne McCann: Ya, it could use an update
Ina Centaur: collab on a song, torley? -D
Marianne McCann: Not the mansion, but the Paris 1900
Torley Linden: I like Craig Armstrong's "Weather Storm" a lot, but why are ya adverse, Dizzy?
Alan45 Beck: Off topic.... Torley what programs do you use to edit your TOTW's?
Ina Centaur: ooh actually more like 2002.5
Torley Linden: Alan45: Oh, I explain more here, but mainly Sony Vegas: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden/FAQ
Ina Centaur: dunno the elephant looked kinda not moulin rouge but like kiddy rouge
Torley Linden: I'm glad you asked that. :)
Fenix Eldritch: err, what's TOTW?
Marianne McCann: I've been exploring a lot of the old mainland lately. Mohrr, Clementina, Noyo, Green, etc.
Torley Linden: I like to right-click and inspect objects and see how old some are!
Marianne McCann: Well, I dun mind dat so much, Ina
Alan45 Beck: Tip OF The Week
Marianne McCann giggles
Fenix Eldritch: Ahhh.
Ina Centaur: lots of links
Ina Centaur contributes a link too
Fenix Eldritch: I've got too many acronyms bouncing around in my head
Ina Centaur: http://SLshakespeare.com/act1scene1
Torley Linden: Check out http://blog.secondlife.com/?s=%22tip%20of%20the%20week%22 :)
Moard Ling: when you upload snapshots from a hard disk do they always come out as squares ?
Torley Linden: Those are previous Tips of the Week I've done, and I intend to continue!
Torley Linden: Moard, sometimes rectangles depending on the aspect ratio.
Torley Linden: It resizes to the nearest 128, 256, 512 (powers of 2).
Chase Marellan: Man, I'm behind, but I gotta say I LOVE LOVE LOVE Moulin Rouge
Torley Linden: I'M GLAD YOU DO CHASE!
Torley Linden: It was such a hyperactive movie with a great soundtrack... and a LOVE STORY.
Torley Linden: Pretty well-mixed!
Chase Marellan: :) yes!
Chase Marellan: My favorite part is playing "Name that tune" :)
Torley Linden: Haha, I liked the take on "Like a Virgin" by Madonna.
Chase Marellan: definitely!
Moard Ling: I never quite recovered from "Spiritied Away"
Torley Linden: My beloved pointed out to me that the funny thing was that scene had no women at all.
Torley Linden: I want to see Spirited Away, that looks rich.
Chase Marellan: Jim Broadbent was hilarious in that
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Dizzy Banjo: ah that is a fantastic movie
Chase Marellan: I love Roxanne
Ina Centaur: oh yes!
Marianne McCann: Spirited Away is awesome.
Torley Linden: Yeah, a lot of fun characters for sure.
Ina Centaur: i have spirted away cosplay avs :-O
Chase Marellan: :)
Dizzy Banjo: Spirited Away.. infact all Miyazaki movies are
Ina Centaur: yes!
Torley Linden: I remember seeing Aestival Cohen's anime avs for the first time, she was one of the early creators of anime in SL I think.
Ina Centaur: but spirited away was just wild though
Chase Marellan: OK, on that note, I gotta go. Thanks all!
Dizzy Banjo: Joe Hisaishi is a genius
Moard Ling: any others you recommend Dizzy ?
Chase Marellan: later!
Dizzy Banjo: cya chase
Marianne McCann: Ya, Aestival's been about for a while
Dizzy Banjo: definitely Howls Moving Castle
Dizzy Banjo: Princess Mononoke
Dizzy Banjo: Laputa Castle in the Sky
Dizzy Banjo: Porco Rosso
Torley Linden: Miyazaki is definitely magical, I want to see more of his work.
Dizzy Banjo: they are all great really
Marianne McCann: I also love some of Tesuma's work, like hoenix, or Bhuddah
Dizzy Banjo: and Totoro of course
Torley Linden: I'd like to thank each and all of you for coming to my Office Hour. I've got to go now and continue other work!
Marianne McCann: Phoenix*
Torley Linden: Thanks for being here with me and chatting!
Tallulah Tripsa: bye bye all
Marianne McCann: Have fun, Torley!
Dizzy Banjo: nice to see u Torely.. bye :)
Moard Ling: Cheers Torley
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Marianne McCann: I gots to run too
Nock Forager: yay! thanks for chat.
Fenix Eldritch: See ya later
Torley Linden: Byeeees! Have a lovely day, I'll be back at a little before 2 PM Pacific Time today... =o)
Randal Kline: bye all
Torley Linden: *waves*

2 PM

Torley Linden: And here we are... hello, friendly greetings!
Torley Linden is thrilled to see who's a Melon Disciple! =)
Dwayne Lancaster: hello
Daedalus Young: hi Torley
Lyndsey Forager: hello Torley
Tarissa Tripsa: Torley!
Daedalus Young: heh yes, lots of Disciples
Torley Linden: Hey Lyndsey, Daed, jazz, Dwayne, Cameroon, Tarissa, JetZep, all!
Cameroon Telling: Hello.
Lyndsey Forager: I like the snowman av cameroon
Torley Linden: So glad to see you here on a Friday eve, or wherever you are in the world!
Cameroon Telling: Lol, just something simple I made. x_X
Tarissa Tripsa: eve's quite close for me
Lyndsey Forager: have you had a busy morning Torley?
Torley Linden: Yes, my morning was crazy busy! And then after this Office Hour, I am working on Dazzle test plans.
Torley Linden: Gonna meet up with Benjamin, Dan, and Brent Linden...
Torley Linden: Dazzle is the refresh of the user interface — http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Dazzle if you haven't seen it yet.
jazz Applemoor: why am i sitting on nothing
jazz Applemoor: :D
Torley Linden: Feel free to ask any questions you may have!
Lyndsey Forager: dazzle looks so bright compared to the current client - i did like it when i tried it
Torley Linden: jazz, you may be sitting on the watermelons... but you got a seat now!
jazz Applemoor: thats better
Cameroon Telling: I have a question.
Daedalus Young: will we have the new Search in the next RC already?
Torley Linden: We should, Daed!
Daedalus Young: cool
Torley Linden: I'm leaning strongly towards yes.
Cameroon Telling: I heard you liek watermelonkipz, is this true?
Torley Linden: This is indeed true Cameroon.
Cameroon Telling: Oh lords.
Daedalus Young: with the upcoming video you mentioned
Torley Linden used to play the Pokemon games...
Tarissa Tripsa: damn....phone!
Pinos Ling: hello to all
JetZep Zabelin: Hiya Torley
Torley Linden: *winks*
Torley Linden: Hello Pinos!
Torley Linden: And then I have WindLight after that, I hope...
Torley Linden: I really want WindLight to come out like, YESTERDAY.
Lyndsey Forager: Hello squrirrel
Squirrel Wood: /ao off
Squirrel Wood: Yellow
Daedalus Young: hi
Torley Linden: Hey Squirrel!
jazz Applemoor: no watermellons are green
Torley Linden: Good to have you all here today... what's new and exciting!
jazz Applemoor: :D
Torley Linden: jazz, what do ya mean?
jazz Applemoor: i dont have a clue
jazz Applemoor: XD
Lyndsey Forager: i quite like honeydew melon
Daedalus Young: there are also yellow melons
Torley Linden: I like honeydews too, they are a relative.
Cameroon Telling: Alright, I have to go.
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Cameroon Telling: Nice talking to you all.
Torley Linden: Nice talking to ya too Cameroon!
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: Here's some wisdom for you:
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: Drawing is . . . not an exercise of particular dexterity, but above all a means of expressing intimate feelings and moods. -- Henri MatisseYour fortune stateth: You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into.
Daedalus Young: I have a 1300msec ping :|
Torley Linden: Oh wow, that sounds pretty advanced.
Torley Linden: Ugh Daed, did that recently start? :\
Squirrel Wood: humm
Torley Linden: Just to let you guys know, I may have to leave shortly before 3 PM Pacific, but I'll do my best to hang on until the Dazzle meeting starts.
Daedalus Young: oh, it's back to normal
Tarissa Tripsa: I'm not moving my camera anymore!
Daedalus Young: my browser was uploading to gmail
jazz Applemoor: be right back
Lyndsey Forager: well, im so excited ITS FRIDAY!
Torley Linden: That's a great snail shirt, Daed.
Daedalus Young: thanks :)
Torley Linden: Haha Lyndsey, that almost reminds me of another skit, IT'S SATURDAY!!!! Ever seen that?
Lyndsey Forager: no, i dont think i have
Lyndsey Forager: whats it like
Daedalus Young: Tarissa, try holding the alt-key whie moving the cam with your arrow keys
Torley Linden: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ierw8eAsw_g ;)
Dwayne Lancaster: what dose "Stop Tracking" do when you right-click the Mini-Map?
Lyndsey Forager: thanks torley
Tarissa Tripsa: yeah I know...but it's so laggy
Daedalus Young: then the MiniMap will stop tracking your av
Tarissa Tripsa: the packetloss thingy explodes
Adz Childs: hi everybody.
Daedalus Young: hi
Pinos Ling: hi Adz
Torley Linden: Is everyone familiar with Help menu > Lag Meter?
Tarissa Tripsa: no
JetZep Zabelin: I use it
Tarissa Tripsa: is that new?
Lyndsey Forager: he he torley, thats so funny
Daedalus Young: new yes
Dwayne Lancaster: yes
Tarissa Tripsa: all colours...red, yellow, green
JetZep Zabelin: my network is always yellow :(
Torley Linden: Yes, it's new in 1.18.4(3) and then some.
Torley Linden: JetZep, it may be yellow depending on where you are internationally...
Tarissa Tripsa: cool
Torley Linden: it doesn't currently take into account higher ping times relative to geographic location.
JetZep Zabelin: overseas... cheap connection
Tarissa Tripsa: network was just green! *excitement*
JetZep Zabelin: lol
jazz Applemoor: back
Torley Linden: James Linden mainly programmed the Lag Meter, if you have feature suggestions or bugs you can enter them on http://jira.secondlife.com , let me know and I'll bring 'em to his attention.
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Tarissa Tripsa: well, then red....-.-
Torley Linden: Ooh oooh.
Daedalus Young: only my Client is red
Torley Linden: Awwwwe.
Daedalus Young: too complex scene with so many avs
Lyndsey Forager: did you know Scotland will be hosting the 2014 commonwealth games, it was announced today - thats SO exciting
Torley Linden: I hope Avatar Impostors will help with that, Daed... at least if you zoom out a bit.
Torley Linden: Really Lyndsey? Cool beans!
Torley Linden: That is some long-distance planning, too.
Squirrel Wood: I know not a thing called lag... 25600/2048 kbps ^^
Lyndsey Forager: it so cool
Torley Linden: Gee Squirrel, that sounds... FAST.
Tarissa Tripsa: Where will SL be then?
Squirrel Wood: 25 mbit ^^
JetZep Zabelin: Avatar imposters.. interesting term for it
Lyndsey Forager: nice entrance kerry
jazz Applemoor: sorry no more seats
Torley Linden: Yeah, "impostors" in the graphic term... Avatar Impostors is a new feature in WindLight, controlled by a checkbox.
Dwayne Lancaster whitles
Torley Linden: It makes avatars in the distance drawn as 2D-like sprites and updated less, so they aren't so geometrically expensive.
Torley Linden: Thus, you get higher viewer FPS.
Jason Swain: cool
Torley Linden: They look a little blockier and animate kind of crudely, but in big crowds, it gives you up to a 20 FPS gain.
JetZep Zabelin: its a good idea
Torley Linden: (In my experience, that's the sorts of results I've garnered.)
Adz Childs reaches out a hand to pet Kerry, then hesistates.
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, your such a teaser, all the pretty windlight stuff, you must feel like playing an automatic answer when people was windlight NOW
JetZep Zabelin: when you zoom to them you wont see it anyway right?
Torley Linden: Yeah, yeah, my joy will be complete with it's public again... WindLight for the people!
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Lyndsey Forager: that sounds like a rebel in you wants to get out torley
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: hello everybody
Lyndsey Forager: POWER TO THE PEOPLE
Torley Linden: Hahahaha yes... well I'm always rebellious in a friendly way. ;)
Lyndsey Forager: lololol
Torley Linden: Hey Handmadeandroid!
Torley Linden: It's just, I know, the WL Team wants you to be able to enjoy all the new atmospheric rendering enhancements too.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: :D how did the move go your melloness?
Torley Linden: And the performance gains...
Torley Linden: 'Twas excellent, thanks a lot for asking!
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, will the size of the windlight client be a lot bigger?
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Marginally, it isn't really a lot bigger.
Lyndsey Forager: thats pretty cool
Torley Linden: Some extra shader files but those are pretty small.
Torley Linden: Let me check and give you an exact number...
Torley Linden: Second_Life_1-18-5-72977_WindLight_Setup.exe - 34,037 KB.
Lyndsey Forager: thats not much bigger at all
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i was interested to read about how sculpt prims are lower down the loading hierachy
Torley Linden: Yeah...
JetZep Zabelin think Torley must have hundreds of cool av outfits
Jason Swain: May I ask Lyndsey, why does the siz matter that much?
Tarissa Tripsa: If I don't leave now, I might be on the market again....:-/
Jason Swain: *size
Torley Linden: And plus, we are focused on cleaning up old code...
Lyndsey Forager: just for downloading it
Torley Linden: How do you mean, Tarissa?
Daneel Ariantho: Script run-time error
Daneel Ariantho: Stack-Heap Collision
Jason Swain: Cool just wondered ^^
Torley Linden: I wish sculpted textures got higher priority, I don't like seeing weird spheres where I should be seeing furni!
Squirrel Wood: snack-sheep-collision!
JetZep Zabelin: some people's bandwidth is metered and limited
Torley Linden: Maybe close to that, JetZep. I have around 50 watermelon avatars.
Torley Linden: But yeah, a lot of various outfits and such.
JetZep Zabelin: cool
Tarissa Tripsa sends watermelony greetings!
Tarissa Tripsa: Bye bye!
Torley Linden: Mmm watermelony greetings indeed!
JetZep Zabelin: ahh there goes my red client and network.. LOL
Kerry Giha: Watermelon nice motif
Torley Linden: If there are any curiosities and questions, please do ask...
jazz Applemoor: well i got a cat outfit
Torley Linden: Watermelon is my fave fruit, and in Second Life, you can bring your passions to life, so why not?
Lyndsey Forager: Hiya Bridie!
Torley Linden: I see Elliott Martynov in a Torley classic avatar!
Torley Linden: :D
Torley Linden: Hey hey Bridie!
Elliott Martynov: hehe
Elliott Martynov: i just found it the other day
Elliott Martynov: and i thought what crazy person made this?
Daneel Ariantho: Script run-time error
Daneel Ariantho: Stack-Heap Collision
Torley Linden: Nice... I know there are a few dispensers out there...
Torley Linden: HAHA, yes, that's the key sentence, "what crazy person"!?!?!? :D
Torley Linden: Well, you've found out.
Elliott Martynov: lol
Lyndsey Forager: Elliott, that must have been a HUGE melon
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i know the weird sphere-work-round-o-matic...apply the sculpt texture to a hidden face in the build
Dwayne Lancaster: is there away to make clothes shinny?
Elliott Martynov: yeah now i know
Lyndsey Forager: lol, check elliott out
Elliott Martynov: nice to meet you torley
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, think you have a stalker
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Torley Linden: Oh, and so very nice to meet you too!
Torley Linden: Haha yes, a very big melon slice it is.
JetZep Zabelin: lol
Elliott Martynov: lol nah. not a stalker.
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Elliott Martynov: didn't even know who he was until about two days ago
Torley Linden: Sometimes, I stalk myself.
Torley Linden: But I'm glad you came over Elliott!
Lyndsey Forager: lol
JetZep Zabelin: he's a keyboardist
Torley Linden: Indulge your curiosities.
jazz Applemoor: i never knew cats can sit like this
Lyndsey Forager: i was just jesting
Torley Linden: I'm so glad Bridie is back — Bridie and I have collaborated on a number of works!
Bridie Linden: Glad to be back!
Elliott Martynov: and i was wondering around and saw this watermelon place and said, that must be the watermelon guy
Bridie Linden: HI all!
Torley Linden: Bridie, you've got that gun still!
Torley Linden: Don't shoooot me! =)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: hi bridie
Daedalus Young: hi
jazz Applemoor: hi Bride
Bridie Linden: Speak softly and ...
Torley Linden: carry a big...
Torley Linden: HAHAHA.
Bridie Linden: Hi Daed, jazz, Squirrel...
Bridie Linden grins
Torley Linden: Elliott: I must emphasize, I'm thrilled you came over.
JetZep Zabelin: hehe
Lyndsey Forager: what is an OSSM
Torley Linden: And by all means if you have your own unique avatar, feel free to change into that!
Torley Linden likes seeing so many colors, shapes, varieties of avatar.
Torley Linden: IT IS TIME FOR THE MODERN AVATAR!
Bridie Linden: Lyndsey, shorthand for awesome :)
Torley Linden: OSSM is a Bridie-ism.
Torley Linden: So is XLNT.
Lyndsey Forager: ah
Torley Linden: Bridie, what are others? :D
Bridie Linden: OSSM is the new XLNT
Lyndsey Forager: okies dokies
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i got this from grendels
JetZep Zabelin: OSSM!
Torley Linden: You could work Open Source into OSSM.
Bridie Linden: orly OSSM!
Elliott Martynov: thank you torley. this is quite a place you have.
Torley Linden: That would be a fun Second Life name, "ORLY OSSM".
Torley Linden: "YARLY OSSM".
Elliott Martynov: and some interesting tunes to boot
Bridie Linden: you all are OSSM!
Torley Linden: Thanx Elliott, my piano playing and whatnot!
Daedalus Young: Open Source Slushy Melons
Elliott Martynov: trippy almost
Bridie Linden: watermelOSSM
Lyndsey Forager: lol bridie
Torley Linden: Mmmm that sounds delish.
JetZep Zabelin: Liektotally Ossm
Daedalus Young: hehe
Torley Linden: If anyone has any cool discoveries from inworld they'd like to share, please do so — landmarks are welcome!
Torley Linden: Now there's a catchy one, JetZep!
Bridie Linden: Yes, pls!
Lyndsey Forager: Bridie, you should have a "Forfar Bridie" AV - although a walking meet pie might be a tad wierd
Squirrel Wood: terraformer ^^
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: my faves have some nice ones in
Bridie Linden: I'm a vegetarian, tho' Lyndsey
Lyndsey Forager: ahhhhhh
Torley Linden: Veggie pie!
Torley Linden: No lard in crust.
JetZep Zabelin likes tahini
Squirrel Wood: Vegans are eating my foods food! ^^
JetZep Zabelin: =)
Lyndsey Forager: good plan Torley
Torley Linden: Sorry Elliott I don't take friendships on this account (too difficult to manage when the list gets too long) but feel free to xchange with Torley Olmstead, my Resident alt. ;)
Bridie Linden: Viet namese tofu sammy for lunch - yum!
Torley Linden: I like tofu a lot, and I like Tofu Linden too.
Adz Childs pets Kerry
Bridie Linden: So what' s and cool in the last month or so??
Elliott Martynov: right on
Bridie Linden: *new and cool
jazz Applemoor: hi ryder
JetZep Zabelin: Join Watermelon Nation: Torley's OSSM watermelon group
Ryder Dryke: hello everybody!
Lyndsey Forager: hiya ryder
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: ii found the finest butterflies known to man and avatar
Torley Linden: Thanks all for joining that group, I had a lotta fun with that video tutorial...
Torley Linden: if you guys have any questions feel free to ask...
JetZep Zabelin: I'll invite Elliot
Squirrel Wood: Deeper 'n Ever Turnip 'n Tater 'n Beetroot pie ^^
Torley Linden: Ohh yeah Handmadeandroid, where are 'dem?
Torley Linden: I have never eaten turnips, but I'm curious.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: place called animania
Torley Linden: I had radish the other day.
Lyndsey Forager: so, are you going into the office now for work Torley
Adz Childs raises his hand
JetZep Zabelin: Torley we dont have invite rights :(
Squirrel Wood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Redwall_Cookbook ^^
Torley Linden: No Lyndsey but I am much nearer to the Seattle office and I do hope to visit.
Torley Linden: Honestly I think if I worked regularly in an office I would socialize too much and not get work done, but certainly for the benefit of meeting my esteemed fellow Lindens!
Torley Linden: ;)
Torley Linden tends to get easily distracted...
Torley Linden: JetZep... hmmm I should change that!
Torley Linden: :D
Torley Linden: *checks the group*
JetZep Zabelin: kewl
Lyndsey Forager: Torly, i can imagine you would only brighten their day
Torley Linden: Awwww well I know Bridie has sure been so encouraging! =D
JetZep Zabelin: can we deed land to group too? o.O j/k
Torley Linden: Hahahahaaaaaaaa.
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: OK, I added the Invite ability.
Adz Childs munces on a slice of watermelon
JetZep Zabelin: OSSM thx
Bridie Linden: lol
Jason Swain: Torley, could I ask why the http://forums.secondlife.com/ is not availble to new "free" accounts?
Torley Linden: I believe part of the key to teaching well is to make memorable stuff, otherwise everyone forgets and it's like you taught them nothing.
Bridie Linden loves all of the OSSMness happening...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i learnt to build from your tiny prims video
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Torley Linden: Jason: The forums are available to any account, Basic (free) or Premium with payment info on file.
Torley Linden: Reason why that was restricted a long time ago was because of mass abuse...
Torley Linden: E.g., spam.
Torley Linden: I do think a better thing would be to allow read-access for ALL...
JetZep Zabelin: oh that makes sense, I wondered too
Torley Linden: but for some technical reasons it doesn't look so easy to do that.
Jason Swain: Is it possible to make them read only, yes
Daedalus Young: nasty thing is, a lot of people, like me, have no credit card, which is the only way to get payment info on file
Torley Linden: I wanted the forums searchable via google.com a long time ago.
Daedalus Young: it's even needed for a verified paypal acct
Torley Linden: *nod* Yeah Daed, I really feel the pain on that one.
Amadeo Beaumont: ...can't you use paypal...?
Lyndsey Forager: I dont have a credit card, i verified my paypay account with my back account info
Daedalus Young: I can't verify paypal
Torley Linden: I'm not really involved with forums at present; the goodly Everett is looking to help get a Communications Manager onboard who will shepherd and guide them, but yeah, that's some of the history.
Daedalus Young: they have my bank info, but don't verify it
You decline Music, Music (159, 20, 21) from A group member named MidKnight Auer.
Ryder Dryke: i got a technical question ... can some one tell what the blue and red color means in "show updates" of the client menu?
Lyndsey Forager: thats odd daed
Elliott Martynov: thx for the join ;-)
Adz Childs bluts out "i would like to see more Lindens stop by the official forum otherwise its not really official anymore"
Torley Linden: Ryder: There's actually a Knowledge Base article on this! Colors indicate types of updates, e.g., like when you update and change a prim's properties.
Jason Swain: It would be great if maybe like you surgested that they were read only to "no payment of file" accounts
Ryder Dryke: oh okay .. i thought the client menu is not so well documented
Torley Linden: If you login @ http://secondlife.com/support and search for "Show Updates".
JetZep Zabelin: Im thinking of getting one of those debit Visa "credit cards"
Torley Linden: We definitely need to document some of that better.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i have a question please...technical :)
Torley Linden: Sure Handmadeandroid.
Torley Linden: Adz: I like saying hello across various venues... I have my focuses tho!
Ryder Dryke: thx torley
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Elliott Martynov: it was nice meeting you all. i'm gonnna run for now
Torley Linden: Nice meeting you too Elliott, take care!
waelya Tenk: hi all!
Daedalus Young: bye Elliott
Amadeo Beaumont: hello
jazz Applemoor: errm .... does my face look big in this
jazz Applemoor: mask
jazz Applemoor: X D
Lyndsey Forager: lol jazz
Torley Linden: Hahahahaaa.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: is there any way to take full control of a region (with full concent of owner of course:) so as to allow a developer to have control over the upload of raw files, but not be responsible for the tier associated with a region ?
Lyndsey Forager: he he
Lyndsey Forager: has anyone played portal that came on the orange box?
Torley Linden: Handmadeandroid: Hm, closest to an Estate Owner is an Estate Manager... but it's not more flexible than that.
Torley Linden: PORTAL LOOKS SO KEWL!
Daedalus Young: ohh, I just checked Paypal, apparently they changed it
Daedalus Young: so I might just get payment info after all :|
Entering god mode, level 200
Lyndsey Forager: I made a companion cube
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: could this be addressed?
Lyndsey Forager gave you Weighted Companion Cube.
jazz Applemoor: Bridie .... *shivers* .... why is that gun pointed at me#
Squirrel Wood: The companion cube needs you ^^
Lyndsey Forager: would anyone like one
Amadeo Beaumont: ^^
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: it seems difficult to work like this
Lyndsey Forager: I also made a cake with dj jenns
Bridie Linden: sorry Jazz
Torley Linden: Handmadeandroid: Yes, I agree... I do think we need more flexibility with some of these tools.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: im in UK you see and my build owner is in usa
Daedalus Young: so I can buy lots of dollars now and sell them when it's worth some more again
Torley Linden: Especially as the world has more full-region terraforming specialists — you have time zone issues?
jazz Applemoor: wierdly enough same with me
JetZep Zabelin: ooh i want a job as a terraformer =)
Lyndsey Forager: Here is a link for the cake i made with DJ jenns in rl
Lyndsey Forager: http://kotaku.com/gaming/cake/the-weighted-companion-cube-cake-313286.php
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: im wanting to use raw files to make a fabulous job :)
Daedalus Young: I'd want a job as Linden Road Builder :P
Squirrel Wood can terraform sims. in minutes. ^^
Torley Linden: Haha, the cake is literally not a lie.
jazz Applemoor: well all im off to go to a pirate theamed party
Torley Linden: Handmadeandroid: Yeah, you can really get some rich controls there... but, what's the problem with... sending the RAW files to the Estate Owner to upload at their leisure?
You decline Freestar Bay Campfire, Boudoir Isle (161, 82, 22) from A group member named Freestar Tammas.
Daedalus Young: ahoy then, Jazz
Torley Linden: OK jazz, have fun!
Lyndsey Forager: http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbum.jsp?MemberId=4734601495&PhotoNbr=1&PhotoAlbumId=5948541050
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: squires: you tthink i can achieve the same results by hand as i would using backhoe and photoshop?
Torley Linden: Ah yes, Squirrel knows a lot re: terraforming... share more about your tool, Squirrel!
Squirrel Wood: pretty much, yes
jazz Applemoor: see ya
Squirrel Wood: heh
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i want paths around the hills you see
Torley Linden: I like how you look like the V for Vendetta dude, jazz.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: anyone else tried backhoe btw its fabtastic
JetZep Zabelin: Squirrel you got me in mystery for weeks now.. curious
jazz Applemoor: :D
Squirrel Wood: I do have a nice tool in the works that allows you to load data files or just tyke the current sim layout and change it
Torley Linden: Yeah, Backhoe is AWESOME...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: with a pen weeeeee
Torley Linden: Zarf Vantongerloo did great with that, much to my sadness tho, Backhoe is only for Mac, presently.
Squirrel Wood: tyke? take!
Daedalus Young: Mac! whoo!
jazz Applemoor: i got a pirate outfit too
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: always get snardybarfark in my head saying 'i made the fidley bits round norway' makes me chuckle!
Squirrel Wood: the tool only requires terraform ability.
JetZep Zabelin: Torley can I ask you a question regarding collaboration?
Torley Linden: PLEASE do JetZep!
JetZep Zabelin: Is there a way to transfer ownership of rezzed objects without deeding to a group first?
Torley Linden: If anyone has curiosities and questions I can answer, I WILL!
Torley Linden: JetZep: Set it to sell and someone else can buy it.
Lyndsey Forager: Brain the size of a planet and they ask me to open dors
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Torley Linden: Set the original to sell, provided it's transfer-permissive.
jazz Applemoor: bye all
Daedalus Young: bye
Torley Linden: Bye jazz!
JetZep Zabelin: but I mean like roads.. buildings & stuff that been collaborated on
waelya Tenk: bye
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: laters jazz
Torley Linden: JetZep: Yeah, that's what I'm referring to, I've seen that method done... set the objects to sell and someone else will acquire them... OR you can put them on a parcel, and sell the parcel + objects (ownership gets transferred).
Torley Linden: When you got sell land, you'll notice there's an option, "Sell the objects with the land?".
JetZep Zabelin: right, but does it place the objects in their inventory or they remain rezzed there?
Torley Linden: If you set an object "For Sale" and select "Original", then when they buy it, the object will *stay in place* and won't go into their inventory.
Torley Linden: They will remain rezzed there.
JetZep Zabelin: ahh OK thanks.. that info helps me A LOT
Torley Linden: =D
Torley Linden: You're welcome, yeah, that should be a more prominent tip...
Torley Linden: Transferring inworld objects, hm!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: are linden gonna ever manage a moonlanding, if so when
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Lyndsey Forager: lol
JetZep Zabelin: so that is a way that a bunch of av's could work together then it all gets transferred to the landowner
Torley Linden: Hehehe it's funny, we have an internal group @ LL called Moonlab, referring to "remote/networked owners".
Lyndsey Forager: but if there was a moon landing, would people say it was a fraud if the flexi flag flaps
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: fantastic
Adz Childs: hah
JetZep Zabelin: lol
Squirrel Wood: OSSMness!
Torley Linden: JetZep, not specifically that easily. But in a case like that, it sounds like that bunch of avs — each of them — should set their parts of the build for sale ("Original", as I mentioned), then the landowner comes and buys each piece.
Torley Linden: I know that has worked for some really big educational builds. A pain to buy so many things, but it does work.
Torley Linden: I've seen it on corporate builds too.
Adz Childs raises his hand
Torley Linden: Remember to set for sale as "Original" and NOT "Copy".
Torley Linden: "Copy" will do the "a copy of it goes into your inventory" thing.
Ryder Dryke: a video tip of permissions when deeding objects to a group might be interessting too - i dont quite understand that weird permissions on that subject
JetZep Zabelin: I'll remember that
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: ac3d is great ive been finding lately if anyone is playing with sculpts
Torley Linden: Yes, permissions are very tricky too, Ryder... I wrote some articles on them a long time ago... I agree.
JetZep Zabelin: oh.. btw I found deeding to a group is one way to test permissions
Torley Linden: My beloved has had been having a great time with AC3D, I haven't seen the latest tips on how to export it into SL... do you know, Handmadeandroid?
Ryder Dryke: they drive me nuts when i wanna sell something that rezzes its stuff self
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: export which part, builds or sculpts
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: theres two export options
Torley Linden: Oh, I did not realize that.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: you can use the primitive basic shapes provided at the site and have very succesful results making sculpt maps
JetZep Zabelin: I think a lot of people would be helped by a tutorial on group land and objects and the various rights
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: then you can build houses from prim cubes and export the code via a notecard from your desktop into an inworld rezzer and hey-presto you have a build
Torley Linden: I agree, permissions oughta be explained better, simpler...
Torley Linden: Ahh thanks Handmadeandroid.
Adz Childs: Torley, is there something i can give you in exchange for a Linden Bear? For example, would you accept a free coloring pad, toothbrush, compass, or overflowing laundry basket?
Torley Linden: Another thing to remember is... if you ever change permissions of something in inventory... MAKE SURE to rez it and take it again. Permissions do NOT actually get applied until you rez something inworld! Which means if you mark something as no-copy in your inventory and give it to a friend without rezzing, they can copy it. :\
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Adz Childs: *giggle*
Torley Linden: That is confusing and unintuitive, I know.
Torley Linden: Adz, awww well I always like surprises! I get many delightful watermelon gifts.
Torley Linden: I can just give you a bear if that's easier, tho. =^_^=
You decline Midnight Sun Dance & Bar of Norw, Venom Cove (150, 82, 32) from A group member named foxyflwr Cure.
Ryder Dryke wanna have a bear too!
Daedalus Young: that's really confuding yes, I've had that happen on several occasions
Jordan Merricks: lol
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: but on my travels i wondered upon a sim called chopsaw, and if you go to the corner of his store the owner has been kind enough to share his knowledge with sl via some notecard vendors regarding sculpts and its very informative writing, i learnt so much
Amadeo Beaumont: I'll give you a panda ry
Amadeo Beaumont: ^^
Ryder Dryke: :->
Daedalus Young: esp because texture permissions in inventory are correct
Torley Linden: Yeah Daed, it's called the "slam bit"... I did a Knowledge Base article on that in '06.
Adz Childs: great i don't have any watermelon stuff but i think you would like my compass and my coloring pad Blue liked the coloring pad alot i think
Adz Childs: here.
Torley Linden: Yup, and to clarify, what I said applies to objects, not other item types...
Daedalus Young: yes
Torley Linden: Since objects are the only thing you can rez inworld. :)
Jordan Merricks: that's really wierd
JetZep Zabelin: Torley thanks, I did not know that
Adz Childs gave you Coloring Pad - Boy Eating Cake.
Torley Linden: Hehe thanks Adz I shall check these out!
Ryder Dryke: thx ama
Amadeo Beaumont: welcome ry
Torley Linden: The inventory is kind of "blind" that way; hence the difficulty in knowing what something is, generally speaking, unless you rez it.
Adz Childs: soooo..... about that linden bear?
Adz Childs: *giggle*
Torley Linden: Related, it's why objects with multiple creators involved show as "(unknown)" when you check their properties.
Jordan Merricks: lol
Torley Linden: When in doubt, rez and re-take.
Lyndsey Forager gave you Beautiful Butterfly (RL Photo Taken By Lyndsey).
Daedalus Young: I remember a JIRA issue on seeing object's inventory without rezzing
Daedalus Young: but was impossible
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Adz Childs accepted your inventory offer.
Torley Linden: HERE YOU ARE Adz!
Ryder Dryke: btw ... what are (hippos) in the friends list?
Jordan Merricks: or blank, without even (unknown) as the creator, I've seen that many times as well
Adz Childs: yayyy!
Torley Linden: Yes Daed, it doesn't make "common sense" but it's a limitation.
Amadeo Beaumont: Oo
You decline Bay Vista Live Music Scene, Spunkys Wish (148, 182, 27) from A group member named eyewall Paine.
Torley Linden: Hmmm Jordan when did you see that last?
Lyndsey Forager: Hope you like the picture Torley
Torley Linden: I'd like to see when that happens; I'm not so familiar.
Jordan Merricks: yesterday
Daedalus Young: if you have hippos as friends, that should be a good thing right?
Torley Linden: Thanks Lyndsey I shall look!
Wyn Galbraith hellos belatedly.
JetZep Zabelin: You could always attach sometime to your HUD to see the contents if you're worried about privacy
Torley Linden: *likes how uploaded snapshots get coordinates*
Daedalus Young: better than bug gnomes
Torley Linden: *hellos back to Wyn!*
Torley Linden: Clever thinking, JetZep.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yes i like that too about the pics
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Marianne McCann: I liek the attition of photographer's name, Torley
TORLEY LINDEN bare: READY.
Marianne McCann: Hey Robin!
Robin Sojourner: Hi Mari!
Torley Linden: Heya Mari, Robin!
Robin Sojourner: Hi everyone; waiting for people to rez. :D
Torley Linden: Yes totally Mari.
Torley Linden: Credit where credit is due!
Jordan Merricks: check the creator of an object while worn and it shows as blank for the creator, there's just nothing there whenever I check, even if it was created by only one person
Robin Sojourner: Hi Torley!
Adz Childs: Marianne.. up here
Marianne McCann giggles
Marianne McCann: Hi Adz!
Torley Linden: AHHHH yes Jordan, that's a longtime limitation, I detest that.
Daedalus Young: I sometimes get that with spammy notecards
Torley Linden: That doesn't make sense to me either...
Bridie Linden: Thx Squirrel
Torley Linden: it's like, when someone asks you "Who made that hat you're wearing?"
Torley Linden: *runs into that blockage a lot*
Marianne McCann: Did't I see ya this mornin, Lndsey?
Daedalus Young: the blue popup box saying an object owned by (unknown) gave me blabla
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yeah ive noticed that
Lyndsey Forager: yep, i came back for more
Jordan Merricks: as do I, you have to take it off and rez in world to find the creator and track down their store if you can't remember lol
JetZep Zabelin: Try this: press ctrl-3 then click on SOMEONE else's attachment ;)
Squirrel Wood: ^^
You decline Berlin, Preussen (170, 139, 21) from A group member named XanderNichting Writer.
Marianne McCann: An ya, it's dark at 3 too, like I mentioned earlier, Torley. Looks like the clock got changed, but not the hours of the day
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: Here's some wisdom for you:
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: You just like to say their name: "Atari Teenage Riot." -- Karen Keeler
Daedalus Young: also right-click > More > Inspect on attachments work
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Lyndsey Forager: normally DJ Jenns would be playing by now, but he has given up his slot as he is preparing for out Italy trip
Wyn Galbraith waves at Bridie when she finally sees her.
Torley Linden: HMMM wait, this is interesting...
Winndso Ansaldo: Hi all!
Torley Linden: I'm right-clicking my attachments and I can see the creators...
JetZep Zabelin: re Wyn
Robin Sojourner: oh! That works! Thanks, JetZep!
Bridie Linden: Hi Wyn!
Torley Linden: It's not blanking for me...
Daedalus Young: Elikapeka Tiramisu it says to me
Bridie Linden: wb Torley!
JetZep Zabelin: wb Watermelonbat
Lyndsey Forager: my hair is from ETD
Marianne McCann: Crashy Linden
Torley Linden: Thanks a lot!
Torley Linden: So what'd I miss?
Torley Linden: Yeah I SUDDENLY crashed...
Jordan Merricks: well same goes for Jason Swain.... I also find the creation date rather amusing.... Sat Jan 03 15:34:58 1970
Torley Linden: *casts a suspicious look*
Ryder Dryke: lindens dont crash ... they .. check bugs :)
No room to sit here, try another spot.
Daedalus Young: I inspected Lyndsey's hair, that you missed
Jason Swain: Sorry, what about me?
Lyndsey Forager: lolol
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Adz Childs puts down the chunk of watermellon he tore from the chair, and looks guilty
Marianne McCann: I was goin on about the time glitch I found earlier, an we was talkin about inspect
Torley Linden: But let's see, how do I get an attachment to show blank creator name?
Lyndsey Forager: hope you didnt find any nits when you inspected my hair daed
Torley Linden: It's not working for me but I know it was a problem in the past!
Bridie Linden laughs @ marianne and Ryder!
Jordan Merricks: 1970 for a creation date on your (nobody) owned and (nobody) created only attachment
Torley Linden: Hahah Adz!
Daedalus Young: no bugs in your hair no
Lyndsey Forager: cool cool
Daedalus Young: or they'd be reported on JIRA
Jason Swain: oh
JetZep Zabelin: =)
Lyndsey Forager: lol, imagine reporting your head lice on jira, suppose they ARE bugs lol
Torley Linden: Hmmm OK I see blank creator/owner on one of my attachments when I click "Edit linked parts".
Torley Linden: Mebbe that was it.
Robin Sojourner: Torley, any news on the "Sell item" bug?
Torley Linden: EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
You decline Nomasha Syaka, Guitars and Sculptures (120, 81, 30) from A group member named Andreus Gustafson.
Jordan Merricks: yes
Torley Linden: Robin, which particular one? Have a JIRA #?
Jordan Merricks: but for me it's the whole thing OR "Edit linked parts"
JetZep Zabelin: I get that also
Jordan Merricks: for own attachments
JetZep Zabelin: sometimes skins and other things.. the creator name disappears
Torley Linden: Hmmm Jordan, I'll try in the main viewer lately, maybe WindLight fixed it for whole attachments...
Daedalus Young: only root prim has creator with Edit Linked parts
Robin Sojourner: the one where you pick up several things, and when you rez them, they all have the price of the last thing you took.
Daedalus Young: at least for my Glasses
Robin Sojourner: The new one from yesterday. :D
Jordan Merricks: I just recently upgraded to the latest client available.... like 2 days ago
Torley Linden: Oh yes Robin... I know that one.
Winndso Ansaldo: OK i go bb
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Jordan Merricks: o_O I didn't know of that one, I'll have to beware of the same price thing
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Torley Linden: So that one, our Blacklight (Critical issue-focused) devs know... and I've asked for QA help to find out if that's NEW behavior. Do you know if it is, Robin, for sure? Did it work before?
Torley Linden: I've also asked for Resident Experience help coming up with a better design, and here's why...
Robin Sojourner: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-930
Adz Childs pets Kerry's head and ears.
Daedalus Young: and when I am in somebody else's attachment Edit window, then set Linked Prims and select a child prim on somebody else's attachment, the Group is not updated
Torley Linden: you can take coalesced objects into inventory, but you can only set one price via Properties (a related problem), despite there being multiple objects. That is very confusing, and you might unknowingly overwrite prices for ALL objects.
Daedalus Young: ohh.. confusing
Robin Sojourner: I know that it worked properly a month or so ago, but I haven't set up a new shop since then, so I'm not sure about recently.
JetZep Zabelin: sometimes my attachments say they are set to Maintenance or other group depending on what land I'm on.. WIERD
Torley Linden: Robin: How exactly did it work before? Objects had their individual prices retained? What if you changed the price via Properties in Inventory?
Torley Linden: (I'm guessing if it worked fine before, that means that taking multiple objects at once, then re-rezzing them would show correct prices for each object?)
Amadeo Beaumont raises a hand carefully
Marianne McCann: Ya, it wortked like dat for me, Torley, before
Torley Linden: JetZep: They really shouldn't say that, since Maintenance is a Linden group. If you have a bug, please repro and report it!
Robin Sojourner: Yes, they did. You could pick up a whole shop, and drop it someplace else, and everthing retained its price.
Jordan Merricks: oh yeah, I've actually noticed the group owned thing for attachments, I particularly found it odd that one of my attachments yesterday was "owned" by a group that didn't have anything to do with the land I was on, and I was not a member of.
Torley Linden: OK thanks Marianne... interesting... that sounds somewhat familiar to me too, because I've done that with textures...
Torley Linden: I'll let our devs know that you guys remember it working right, it's appreciated.
Marianne McCann: It worked dat I know of, most recently, 2 weeks ago when Is et up a mall store
Amadeo Beaumont smiles " can I ask a few questions?"
Robin Sojourner: I never tried to set price in Properties while it was in inventory, because I can't see how that could NOT set the price for everything, if it did anything at all.
Torley Linden: Please do Amadeo, thanks for being so courteous!
Adz Childs: i wouldn't dare set price from inventory... i didn't even notice it was tehre
Lyndsey Forager: well i must dash , its been a pleasure
Amadeo Beaumont: My bf is a builder, and sometimes he looses his inventory, and never gets it back..is there ways of retrieving it?
Jordan Merricks: nor would I Adz
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Lyndsey Forager: have fun and be excellent to each other!
Daedalus Young: bye
Amadeo Beaumont: and second: why does sl remove my clothign at random moments?
Robin Sojourner: Bye!
Daedalus Young: hm, you mean attachments go missing?
Amadeo Beaumont: no no clothing
Amadeo Beaumont: as in pants
JetZep Zabelin gets his favorite SL Wiki URL...
Amadeo Beaumont: shirts
Amadeo Beaumont: attachments stay on
Amadeo Beaumont: but everything else tend to randomly go away sometimes
Daedalus Young: oh, clothes I haven't seen gone missing
Amadeo Beaumont: today..f.ex. all of them disappeared
Amadeo Beaumont: along iwth my tats
JetZep Zabelin: I get the same problems sometimes, even the environment re-rezzes entirely
Jordan Merricks: Amadeo, try instead of using "Take" for getting an object you're creating in-world to inventory use "Take Copy", then if it fails, it still remains rezzed
Amadeo Beaumont: they basically don't rezz O.o
Jason Swain normally has all his attachments move to his stomach on TPing but cloths are perfect
Amadeo Beaumont: JOrdan..O.o ehh?
Marianne McCann: Oh, I meant to share dis one earlier in the morning, a link to save for later viewing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9iNjwMy8eU
Jordan Merricks: if you're building something and are done with it and you want to take it
Amadeo Beaumont: it is not talk about objects, but stuff I am wearing
Amadeo Beaumont: as in...this shirt..willg o missing
Amadeo Beaumont: it will say it is on
Amadeo Beaumont: but no one sees it
Jordan Merricks: instead of right click > Take, I personally use right click > More > Take Copy
Jordan Merricks: and then when I have the object in my inventory, I delete it in-world
Torley Linden: *listens and reads*
Jordan Merricks: oh
Marianne McCann: Amadeo - I get dat someones with (mesh) skirts... it's why I've3 taken to jeans an stuff a lot
Amadeo Beaumont: ^^;
Torley Linden: Amadeo, that is really weird. Your clothes should not change themselves.
Robin Sojourner: Ummm.. I leave it in world for 24 hours.
Amadeo Beaumont: they don't change, they just don't rezz
Torley Linden: Although, I DO know on some unsupported graphics cards, they may glitch your avatar and make you look naked, striped, etc.
JetZep Zabelin: it's like a refresh sorta
Ryder Dryke: but what amadeo means is that his friends objects vanish FROM his inventory .. without doing anything
Robin Sojourner: Torley, I think it's a client thing. I've noticed people's skirts disappear.
Amadeo Beaumont: yeah..but I know that several brits have had this problem
Robin Sojourner: But other people see them properly clothed.
Daedalus Young: oh, while we're exchanging YouTube urls, you guys all seen the RL SL? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=flkgNn50k14
JetZep Zabelin: prims, clothes, etc refresh and have to rez again for no apparent reason
Torley Linden: Robin, their prim skirts?
Adz Childs giggles about disappearing skirts
Amadeo Beaumont: yeah what about retreiving objects sl rmeoves from your inventory
Torley Linden: Or skirt avatar clothing layer?
JetZep Zabelin: It might be related to poor internet connections (like mine)
Amadeo Beaumont: or just go missing from invent
Robin Sojourner: No, the Basic Skirt.
Jason Swain: Does editing appearance fix it?
Torley Linden: *nods*
Amadeo Beaumont: nope
Robin Sojourner: Prims skirts seem to be fine.
Amadeo Beaumont: ususally when in appearance it looks ok
Amadeo Beaumont: when going out
Amadeo Beaumont: Im nude again
Squirrel Wood: 3pm ^^
Marianne McCann: JetZep. Interesting. I know I sometimes get clothing having to re-rez textures, an the Mac texture bug, of course
Robin Sojourner: Skirt Layer. :D
Jason Swain: Does re-baking textures work?
Torley Linden: As a general principle, with any bug, it's really, really important to try to come up with a repro (reproduction, a reliable way of making the problem happen over and over), or as close to one as you can find — then you an report it @ http://jira.secondlife.com and it stands a better chance of being figured out.
Marianne McCann: Ya, Skirt layer, dat's the term
Amadeo Beaumont: sometimes,...usually for a short while
Wyn Galbraith thinks so.
Torley Linden: Hmmm Amadeo, what graphics card are you on?
Amadeo Beaumont: then it goes back to skin
Bridie Linden nods to Torley
JetZep Zabelin: I get it quite frequently, usually when there are other lag related issues
Amadeo Beaumont: ..one that complies with the needs from what I am aware of
Bridie Linden: I have to run!
Bridie Linden: Nice to see everyone!
Bridie Linden: OSSM!!
Amadeo Beaumont: I think it is more the lag..and stuff
Daedalus Young: ok Bridie
Torley Linden: Me too shortly, alas!
Daedalus Young: see you later
Jordan Merricks: take care Bridie
Torley Linden: Thanks for coming, Bridie!
Marianne McCann: Bye, bye, birdie!
JetZep Zabelin: Bye Bridie
Amadeo Beaumont: it usually happens on your bad days
Ryder Dryke: bye birdie
Jason Swain: See you Birdie
Amadeo Beaumont: bybye birdie
Robin Sojourner: On the topic of the Jira, I haven't been able to log in there all day. I keep getting a message that says that it can't authenticate the name and password.
Pinos Ling: bye Birdie
Torley Linden: I've got to go to my Dazzle meeting, but thanks everyone for coming... Amadeo if you can observe and get more info about your situation, that would help.
Torley Linden: Robin, I'm sorry that's happening, the other day we had authentication probs — but that's an issue for you today?
Amadeo Beaumont: torley...ok..but what about the inventory problem?
Daedalus Young: ok Torley, see you later too
Marianne McCann: I was able to get in this morning
Robin Sojourner grins
JetZep Zabelin: Good luck with Dazzle Torley, nice to attend your meetings as always
Robin Sojourner: Well, it was, I just got in when I tried just no. :D
Ryder Dryke: torley, can i have a linden bear too before you leave, please? :))
Marianne McCann: Ya, I want me some Dazzle, but more Windlight
Marianne McCann giggles
Amadeo Beaumont: hehehe ^^
Jordan Merricks: hehe
Robin Sojourner grins
Torley Linden: Amadeo, if you can verify you meet our system requirements @ http://secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php that's a first step. Then, I'd look for clues to help narrow down what's causing them, and report them on the Issue Tracker as I linked earlier. I'm happy to take a closer look with other Lindens too.
Ryder Dryke cant wait for winglight either
Marianne McCann: I LOVE the water stuff nowadays
Torley Linden: Also look for other Residents who may be having the same problem.
Torley Linden: *hopes WindLight comes out soon for your enjoyment!*
Torley Linden: Take care each and everyone and thanx for being with me... BYE for now! =D
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Daedalus Young: bye!
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Amadeo Beaumont: torley..according to aguy brits seems to be infected with the problem
Ryder Dryke: bye torley
Daedalus Young: and thanks too
Robin Sojourner: /Bye!
Jordan Merricks: bye Torley
Jason Swain: Thanks Torley *waves*
Pinos Ling: cu Torley
Amadeo Beaumont: buhbye torley
Squirrel Wood: cya Torley ^^
JetZep Zabelin waves
Amadeo Beaumont: thank you :D