User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2008-05-15

Torley Linden: OH MY GOSH
Torley Linden: Friendly greetings!
Stephen Posaner: hey torly
Torley Linden: Heya Ewan, Squirrel, Stephen!
Squirrel Wood: Yes. It is quiet today
Ewans AO: <174.69893, 27.76565, 37.08325>
Stephen Posaner: I just got my system back to where it would run SL
Torley Linden: Oooh. What'd you have to change?
Torley Linden: Wheee!
Torley Linden: Hey CeeJay!
Stephen Posaner: I hosed vista startup, installed osX86-backed up all data I needed, the reimaged the hd, and have had to trouble shoot from last night to get sl to open and not crash,..it was display driver
Stephen Posaner: that is the quick list
Torley Linden: I haven't gotten around to doing any "Hackintosh" stuff but I must say it looks lucrative.
Squirrel Wood: hackbook air - hacked within five minutes :p
Stephen Posaner: it ran np I just did not have wifi and needed to keep backing things up
Stephen Posaner: I am in the planing stage of a tri boot system
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Hi all!
Squirrel Wood: hullo
Ewan Mureaux: hey ceejay
Stephen Posaner: and if I can get the wifi to work in linux i will find a way to hack the mac
Stephen Posaner: hey
Stephen Posaner: I actualy wanted to run sl in the enviroment
Igel Hawks: Hi @all
Stephen Posaner: hi Igel
Ewan Mureaux: Hey Igel
Torley Linden: HIHIHI!@
Torley Linden: Welcome!
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Igel Hawks: Hi Ceejay
Stephen Posaner: torley you should loop the piano i like it
Gellan Glenelg: hi
Stephen Posaner: hi Gellan
Squirrel Wood: So how are things in Watermelindenland?
Torley Linden: Things are going swell thanks, I had a lot of fun yesterday at a Mentor Q&A...
Igel Hawks: I mised it, damn
Squirrel Wood: ^^
Torley Linden: about Video Tutorials (what else!) and going to toy with an ideas page for prioritizing them and getting more focus.
Torley Linden: You can see the transcript @ http://vteamblog.com :)
Torley Linden: So not all is lost, hehe!
Igel Hawks: TG
Ewan Mureaux: oh torley, mind if i ask about camtasia?
Stephen Posaner: torley do u have a discription link on any of you vids for easyer parusing when looking for old vids
Torley Linden: Ewan, PLEASE DO!
Torley Linden: ask me any and all questions you may have about how i make video tutorials... i'm happy to help.
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I am doing my best to wear our host's colors today ...
Torley Linden: Stephen, which page are you looking at?
Torley Linden: hehehe CeeJay!
Stephen Posaner: none curently
Stephen Posaner: I sometimes brows in youtube and sometimes on the wiki
Ewan Mureaux: what resolutionand format do you use for youtube uploads, I just started messing with it this week and have sort of settled of wmv and 800x600
Igel Hawks: The wiki page is a good start if you are looking for older vidtuts
Torley Linden: Stephen, what sort of "description link" are you looking for? i've added sortable categories recently.
Stephen Posaner: on occasion i see something similer in the wiki
Torley Linden: Ewan, 640x480, i share all tech specs here... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden/Vidtut_process
Stephen Posaner: I may just need to take a new look
Torley Linden: if something's not answered there let me know and i'll update it :)
Ewan Mureaux: cool thanks
Stephen Posaner: kool
Stephen Posaner: ty
Ewan Mureaux: its a fun new adventure
Igel Hawks: And stay at the english version. The German Version is outdated now
Igel Hawks: *blushing*
Torley Linden: my goal is to be as open about how i make video tutorials so other people can make them in their own styles and share the knowledge they want to
Torley Linden: awww :)
Torley Linden: well i always appreciate the translation help, it's better to have something than nothing
Igel Hawks: I was just too busy. Or Torley was too productive ...
Ewan Mureaux: cool thats mega helpful, all i need is to learn to be as clear and as enthusiastic as you!
Torley Linden: hehe
Igel Hawks: *giggles*
Torley Linden: Ewan, oh that comes from the heart. as cheesy as that may sound, it really does.
Torley Linden: as i like to say: the good, pure, true... simple =)
Ewan Mureaux: i'm hoping to come off as intentionaly dead pan rather than dull
Ewan Mureaux: its dull really :D
Torley Linden: hahaha deadpan humor can be VERY funny,
Torley Linden: i've seen some video tutorials that were deadpan comedy
Torley Linden: like that very popular "You Suck At Photoshop" series
Torley Linden: sometimes i do a deadpan voice too lol
Igel Hawks: woooooo. creepy Vidtut next time?
Squirrel Wood: http://www.qualitytaxidermysupply.com/Squirrel_5.jpg :p
Ewan Mureaux: i think as well me being brought up on a dieat of tv and movies make you american types sound all windswept and interesting by default
CeeJay Tigerpaw: All we ever do is watch TV and movies, ourselves.
Torley Linden: Igel, lol, maybe a halloween one
Ewan Mureaux: yeah but you guys are in them!
Torley Linden: i can't stand really intrusive advertising with in-your-face announcers tho :p
Torley Linden: the world of marketing and how we appeal to people sure has changed
Torley Linden: CeeJay admittedly it's a change to see ya bipedal today! ;)
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I finally found some clothes I liked.
Torley Linden: have any of you experimented with crowdsourcing apps to get distributed workloads done?
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I am the Tiger incognito.
Torley Linden: i sure like the texture on it CeeJay
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Which? This red jacket?
Torley Linden: shoulder pets are always awesome too
Torley Linden: yes
Torley Linden: it looks velvet
Torley Linden: very smooooth
CeeJay Tigerpaw: It is from SF Designs, want the LM?
Torley Linden: yes please, that'd be cool
CeeJay Tigerpaw: A very nice package, open and closed versions in both the shirt and jacket layers, for 120 L$.
Torley Linden: i love a good deal
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Available in six colors.
Torley Linden: i am looking around for a good toga, there's a Linden meeting where i need to wear a toga
CeeJay Tigerpaw gave you Innisfree Home of sf design- mens fashions (134, 48, 537).
Torley Linden: if i didn't wear a toga, i'd be sooo outta place
Torley Linden: thanks for the LM
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I am wearing red in the jacket layer and green in the shirt, from those packages.
Torley Linden: amazing what variety of choices we have nowadays in SL...
Torley Linden: always gonna need better ways to search 'em, tho
Squirrel Wood: the problem with search in SL is that keywords are heavilly abused.
Torley Linden: ahh yeah, that's a problem in other places too, not just SL... :\
Torley Linden: i wish there was more of a way to see "if you like this product, you'll also like that"
Torley Linden: taste recommendations
Squirrel Wood: I'd just go and limit the number of keywords that can be used.
Ewan Mureaux: i try to shop with places who have a real description and not just a list of words
CeeJay Tigerpaw: More ways to sort the search would be good.
Torley Linden: there should be something for Second Life content that does what Pandora does for music
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Like what SL Exchange does.
Torley Linden: i find SL Exchange's search very useful
Torley Linden: i've had a harder time with OnRez's but i've made suggestions before
Torley Linden: boolean operators are very important to me, and indispensable once you start usin' 'em!
Torley Linden: heya Qie :)
Qie Niangao: hiya, Torley, ev'rybuddy :)
Stephen Posaner: is not boolen and or if operators
Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^)
Torley Linden: yup Stephen
Torley Linden: heya Imnotgoing ;)
Torley Linden: whoa, that's a cool raw eye
Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
Stephen Posaner: hi Imnotgoing
Torley Linden: i've always thought having two eyes that look different is pretty neat
Torley Linden: first time i saw it was a long time ago
Imnotgoing Sideways: It was my own little project a while ago. (^_^)
Imnotgoing Sideways: It was the only place I could think to wear an invisiprim that didn't make the world around me disappear. (^_^)
Torley Linden: ahhhh
Torley Linden: inside your body!
Torley Linden: hehe
Torley Linden: so what else is new and exciting?
Squirrel Wood: my terraformer is almost ready for release....
Torley Linden: how long have you been working on that now, Squirrel? you've really kept on going, eh?
Squirrel Wood: over a year now
Squirrel Wood: on and off
Stephen Posaner: wow
Squirrel Wood: waiting for the next inventory copy to the beta grid soI can test it on Mono
Torley Linden: i wonder how comparatively fast that'll be
Torley Linden: i've seen some amazing things in MONO test videos so far
Torley Linden: heya DrBob!
Squirrel Wood: 30 seconds versus instantaneous? ^^
DrBob Margulies: Hi
Torley Linden: heya Kippie :)
Torley Linden: welcome!
Kippie Friedkin: Afternoon :)
Kippie Friedkin: Thanks! Good to be here
Jojamela Soon: oops
Jojamela Soon: lol
Jojamela Soon: did I land on ya?
Jojamela Soon: hello everybody
Ewan Mureaux: howdy
Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^)
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Torley Linden: hahahaha
Torley Linden: heya Jojamela!
Torley Linden: wheeee
Jojamela Soon: hiya torley
Jojamela Soon: lol
Jojamela Soon: that was fun
Torley Linden: Squirrel: i saw a video Saijanai did with some wobbly EAT AT JOE's signs, that was pretty kewl,
Torley Linden: and i know Babbage recently posted a video on the blog
Squirrel Wood: Not entirely sure but I think you might like the music streamed at http://88.191.38.140:8002/ Torley ^^ (Ambient Psychedelic Chillout)
Torley Linden: that maze one
Torley Linden: oh nice, thanks Squirrel, bookmarkin' it
Squirrel Wood: saw that maze one
Squirrel Wood: but yes. performance increase for mathematical stuff is from "forever" to "instantaneous"
Imnotgoing Sideways: Are these benches doing that I think they're doing? (o.o)
Squirrel Wood: they multiply. yes.
Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, multiplying? ;) or more accurately, a new one gets added every time someone sits down...
Torley Linden: that's such a fun visual effect which is VERY hard to do in "real life"
Stephen Posaner: I think they are kool
Kippie Friedkin: Very cool
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Imnotgoing Sideways: OH, that is nice. (^_^) .... I really like that idea. Something new to play with when I'm in to mood to script. (^_^)y
Jojamela Soon: would be cool if we could, never have to worry about runnng out of chairs at Thanksgiving
Kippie Friedkin: lol
Stephen Posaner: lol
Ewan Mureaux: new land store will be doing that with sims next, get to the border it will rez a new one lol
Torley Linden: yeah, totally, it'd be like "OMG WE HAVE GUESTS!"
Jojamela Soon: lol
Imnotgoing Sideways: I could see this really helping in some of the classrooms I spend time in... We're always trying to deal with sandbox prim counts and keeping stools out for everyone. (>_<)
Torley Linden: i have yet to browse the new land store greater, but i talked with some of the Lindens who worked on it... that's so funny, Ewan
Torley Linden: yeah, Imnotgoing, AFAIK the popular "chair multipliers" are made by Timeless Prototype and Mystical Cookie. i don't know who else is making them.
Imnotgoing Sideways: Oh... Mysti... It would have to be, wouldn't it? (^_^)
Imnotgoing Sideways: Darn smart people. (>_<)
Squirrel Wood: I have a multi seat ring up for sale... one prim, 20+ avatars supported
Imnotgoing Sideways: WOAH... Did each get a sit position? (o.o)
Squirrel Wood: yep
Ewan Mureaux: sit at the top of a hill and make it physical
Torley Linden: i thought that's pretty clever.
Imnotgoing Sideways: That was just referred to in the forum and the response was that it couldn't be done. (>_<)
Torley Linden: haha Imnotgoing those emotions are making me smile a lot. it'd be cool too, if you emoted in text and your face also made motions.
Torley Linden: i used to do a lot of gestures in batches, i really enjoyed that.
Dizzy Banjo: howdy ! :D
Imnotgoing Sideways: LULZ! (^_^)
Torley Linden: the next Second Life RC is gonna add basic facial lip-sync for your avatar mesh, tho.
Torley Linden: howdy Dizzy!
Igel Hawks whispers: HostHelper initialised!
Dizzy Banjo: /whoa .. switches to "low"
Imnotgoing Sideways: KILLER!! \(^_^)/
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Jojamela Soon: that's cool
Ewan Mureaux: i got that motor mouth thing to animate your face when you use voice, its silly but fun
Imnotgoing Sideways: Silly is good. (^_^)y
Dizzy Banjo: hahaha that avi is funny
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
Dizzy Banjo: lol damn :(
Torley Linden: yup, Ewan, i think it was pretty kewl of Geuis to make that.
Igel Hawks: Sorry, I crashed
Qie Niangao: (Sorry, this is too geeky, but: Squirrel, are you using llSitTargets? or separate positions for llSetLinkPrimitiveParams?)
Torley Linden: sorry i wish that car could be driveable by anyone! and that it'd return home if left alone.
Dizzy Banjo: hehehe
Igel Hawks: I fear, I have melted my graphic card
Torley Linden: (don't be sorry for being geeky!)
Stephen Posaner: that would stink Igel
Imnotgoing Sideways: I kinda wanna know myself.... I like the idea of multiple sit positions to a prim. (^_^)
Torley Linden: most stuff melted isn't good, unless it's GOOOOOLD!
Torley Linden: *says it like Goldfinger*
Jojamela Soon: wait, what about chocolate?
Gellan Glenelg: cheese?
Torley Linden: mmmmm chocolate too.
Jojamela Soon: hehe
Torley Linden: cheese too.
Dizzy Banjo: mmm
Imnotgoing Sideways: Heh... Why not Goldmember? (^_^)
Ewan Mureaux: hearts
Jojamela Soon: well that blows that theory
Qie Niangao: i have a little half-ring prim that sits 6, and a bath that sits 12, but it just puts you in the place closest to where you're standing.
Torley Linden: oh crap yeah you got me on that one, Imnotgoing. i meant GOLDMEMBER.
Dizzy Banjo sneaks off to get some food....
Torley Linden: GOOOOOLD!
Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
Stephen Posaner: only with macaroni, fondu, and brocclii
Jojamela Soon: ok now I'm getting hungry
Gellan Glenelg: lol - thought you said half-prim, then... that would be popular! double the number you can fit on aa parcel
DrBob Margulies: Cheese on toast as well Stephen
Imnotgoing Sideways: BTW.... How many people messed with your Iron Man ghost over in Bay City? (^_^) Mari and I put up some snapzilla shots. (^_^)y
Qie Niangao giggles
CeeJay Tigerpaw: You folks talking about food and drink have made me put on my IV espresso drip ...
Torley Linden: hahahah you know, my gosh Imnotgoing, that happened several times to me...
Stephen Posaner nodes in agrement
Torley Linden: i tried to repro it by logging off and then logging on with another account but i didn't see my ghost
Torley Linden: but i kept getting messages "OMG YOU WENT IDLE"
Torley Linden: or "ha ha i took pictures!"
Torley Linden: it must've been at least a dozen people who noticed
Torley Linden: but more who didn't tell me :)
Imnotgoing Sideways: I was suprized... I even IMed the thing and it still wouldn't poof. (^_^)
Torley Linden: there's gotta be an album somewhere for that, Imnotgoing, like "AVS GONE IDLE!"
Jojamela Soon: I've been seeing a lot of ghosts lately, just walking and walking but not going anywhere
Torley Linden: because i had totally logged off.
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Torley Linden: and my viewer didn't crash...
Stephen Posaner: "when asked what i like i say i like toast"- toast song
Imnotgoing Sideways: Yeah... It's almost as fun as AFK abuse. (^_^)
ColeMarie Soleil: CULT OF TOAST!
Torley Linden: CULTS are easy to start
Torley Linden: and a CULT of TOAST with BUTTER< even moreso
Jojamela Soon: hehe
Stephen Posaner: "French Toast"
ColeMarie Soleil: YAY!
Stephen Posaner: AH HAHAHAHA
CeeJay Tigerpaw: They are not diffiCULT.
Torley Linden: but i heard from Malarwen Hall that a bunch of people were also "ghosted" at the CSI regions...
Torley Linden: not "ghosted" in the traditional sense because you could still bump into them...
Torley Linden: but they weren't logged on
Torley Linden: HAHAH CeeJay good one
Torley Linden: but it seems to be happening a lot
Jojamela Soon: I mostly see them at sim crossings
Ewan Mureaux: i have a plan
Imnotgoing Sideways: Yeah... It seems like CSI and BAY city sims are making people crash alot... It doesn't seem to be anything graphical either. It's weird. (>_<)
Jojamela Soon: have one that runs down the middle of my venue, they're usually stuck there
Torley Linden: when i first started Second Life i saw a fair amount of avatars i could walk through who weren't there...
Torley Linden: but this latest stuff is bizarre...
Imnotgoing Sideways: I would have soooo many more shots of Bay City if I could stay online there. (>_<)
Torley Linden: i wanted to check out Second Nature's stuff in SL but i kept crashing there. i didn't really crash at Bay City... wonder what's up with that...
Torley Linden: Imnotgoing, are you on the RC or main viewer?
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Kippie Friedkin: Hmm...I haven't seen any ghosts....always late to the party ;)
Imnotgoing Sideways: Im on RC at home. (^_^)
Torley Linden: ohhh ok
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I am not sure what you mean by ghost, but sometimes when I crash I have two-way voice chat for many minutes after my av has disappeared and the in-world folks have seen me logged off...
Ewan Mureaux: i'll sort them ghosts
Torley Linden: CeeJay, i've experienced that too, when the Second Life voice process is still running even after the viewer has crashed
Imnotgoing Sideways: It's BEAUTIFUL!!!!! (^_^)
Torley Linden: i've had a number of bizarre meetings like that
Imnotgoing Sideways: I really like it since RC4... And I finally turned on AA when I first visited Bay City.... I'm NOT turning back. (^_^)y
Imnotgoing Sideways: Eep... Lunch break is way over. (>_<)
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Yeah, the voice process has a mind of its own, it seems.
Torley Linden: kewl Imnotgoing, i'm happy about how antialiasing has been made easier to access.
Imnotgoing Sideways says Bai Baii!!! (^_^)y
Torley Linden: BAI and thanx for visiting!
Ewan Mureaux: bye immy
Igel Hawks: Bye. Take care Imnotgoing
Stephen Posaner: bye
DrBob Margulies: Now that's a scary thought CeeJay
Torley Linden: in earlier days, i used to fervently evangelize checking your graphics drivers to get antialiasing on... now in the RC, it's easier to do.
Stephen Posaner: unfortunatly I think ;my card is my source of lag
Torley Linden: what is your card?
Kippie Friedkin: There are anti-aliasing settings in the RC?
Stephen Posaner: an hol let me pullit up
Torley Linden: yes Kippie :) Edit menu > Preferences > Graphics tab and click Hardware Settings button.
Torley Linden: er, Hardware Options.
Torley Linden: pardon my inaccuracy there.
Jojamela Soon: darn have to run
Igel Hawks: I will be off for while I fear. The family PC os most time occupied and my notebook card is melted. I just checked it
Torley Linden: have a good one, Jojamela!
Jojamela Soon: nice meeting all of you :)
Kippie Friedkin: woohoo!
Kippie Friedkin: That is hot
Jojamela Soon: thanks, have a great day
Stephen Posaner: Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family
Kippie Friedkin: Why did I not figure that one out sooner.
Torley Linden: ah yes Stephen, that's on the lower end of specs, alas. i don't know a more generous way to put it.
Stephen Posaner: it will just run sl in minimal settings with out lag
Torley Linden: thankfully good graphics cards keep getting cheaper, i saw some 8800GTs for sale for US$150 the other day. that is mid-high range
Torley Linden: (disclaimer: i have a 640MB 8800GT, and yes, i shop based on bargains, haha)
Squirrel Wood: I can run SL at work through a proxy tunnel at about 10 seconds per frame
Stephen Posaner: I figured out that was my prob when I did the reinstall yesterday and updated the driver this morning
Ewan Mureaux: got me a 512mb 8600 and its pretty nice but i was used to a 128 ati mobility eeep
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Torley Linden: cool, Ewan.
Igel Hawks: Here a GeForce 7600 GS with 512 MB
Torley Linden: i often check a lot of deals sites to know what the prices are...
Ewan Mureaux: its nice to finally see you people
Torley Linden: yeah it's totally cool to meet in-avatar :)
Squirrel Wood: Torley, you pay 150$ for those. I have to shell out 150€. Which makes it 50% more expensive.
Torley Linden: Second Life continues to trip me out.
Torley Linden: ouch Squirrel! :|
Ewan Mureaux: we met before but i was more femal with crappy graphics
Ewan Mureaux: boom-tish
Stephen Posaner: I am on a notebook computer not a real chance to upgrade till warnty runns out and I feel like breaking my computer
Squirrel Wood: and adobe is pulling the same shit on their web shops... us shop... 350$, european shop... 350€
Torley Linden: well, on the bright side, i remember when reasonably costly computers had a hard time doing word processing. now, even most low-end ones can do a lot more than that.
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Qie Niangao: i swear there's an arbitrage opportunity, smuggling h/w across the pond.
Ewan Mureaux: i <3 vic 20
Torley Linden: money is a very funny and odd thing... human-created, needed to live in a modern society... yet, SO MUCH PRESSURE
Torley Linden: my first computer was a Commodore 64
Gellan Glenelg: £150 here... that's double US price
Kippie Friedkin: ha..mine too
Torley Linden: i used to do old skool demoscene stuff and lots of mmmm what we would now call "retro"
Kippie Friedkin: I still have my first Commodore running
Igel Hawks: mine a PET2016
Sougent Harrop: I shouldn't have changed graphics settings.....boom
Kippie Friedkin: <-- geek
Stephen Posaner: my first comp was a pentium 133 with 8 megs ram
Torley Linden: which one did you change that made you go "boom", Sougent?
Sougent Harrop: Anti-alising, of course.
Torley Linden: Stephen, i remember a friend showing me his Pentium 66 mhz, and this was the Pentium I, not IV or any of that newfangled stuff...
Squirrel Wood: Torley... http://www.scenemusic.eu:8002/high.ogg (demo scene and ingame music)
Torley Linden: and he was telling me all about how he could do Terminator 2-like effects on an old 3D app...
Torley Linden: and i was like "whoaaaa"
Torley Linden: and how far we've come since
Torley Linden: of course, realtime stuff is going to look somewhat cruder than carefully rendered things, but i bet in the future, we'll have virtual worlds that look as good as today's Pixar magic
Stephen Posaner: I have played with 486 computers as hw routers in a school cisco class with one of my good RL friends
Kippie Friedkin: I remember seeing an Amiga for the first time at an old Commodore computer show when I was a kid
Torley Linden: thanx Squirrel
Torley Linden: ahh Kippie, my second computer was an Amiga
Kippie Friedkin: There was a video on-screen of a girl saying, Newtek over an over again...
Kippie Friedkin: I remember stopping dead in my tracks
Torley Linden: i didn't use it for all that long and moved to Mac shortly thereafter... but i do remember the Newtek glory...
Torley Linden: *listens*
Kippie Friedkin: I was blown away.
Squirrel Wood: Mmmm. Amiga. 500.
Torley Linden: yeah, i had an Amiga 500, guru meditation errors and all
Stephen Posaner: I used to own a tandy with dual 5 1/4 drives
Igel Hawks: My alltime faves are the FutureCrew
Squirrel Wood: Yes. The guru did meditate quite often...
Igel Hawks: Their Demos are still awesome
Stephen Posaner: I never got to experiance the guru meditate
Torley Linden: NewTek's Video Toaster, too awesome. i remember hearing that Dana Carvey (of SNL and Wayne's World fame), his brother was one of the pioneers behind that, i think
Stephen Posaner: tho I have heard of it b4
Squirrel Wood has Amiga emulator + games... still plays them every once in a while
Torley Linden: i watched the Future Crew vids not too long ago on YouTube
Torley Linden: i am totally into that emulation stuff, it's like time travel for your computer
Torley Linden: i was also on http://gametap.com for a little while; that was a lot of fun
Squirrel Wood: Farbrausch
Stephen Posaner: lol
Gellan Glenelg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nymVNhy4dw8
Torley Linden: Farbrausch are so amazing, i wonder how they do it, what they can pack into 150KB...
Igel Hawks: Do you know the "Mindcandy" DVD?
Torley Linden: i don't know Mindcandy
Squirrel Wood: they use procedural textures
Torley Linden: i used to watch Beyond the Mind's Eye
Igel Hawks: Have you played the "Krieger"Game Torley?
Torley Linden: Squirrel, didn't we talk a long time ago about ideas getting procedural textures into Second Life?
Squirrel Wood: Aye
Torley Linden: i played Krieger. technically cool.
Kippie Friedkin: ouch
Kippie Friedkin: crash
Squirrel Wood: if it worked like the farbrausch editor it would rock.
Torley Linden: oh, by the way, if anyone loves that video jockey and gfx eye candy loveliness, you GOTTA see Peter Kirn's blog, if you haven't yet
Torley Linden: http://createdigitalmotion.com/
Torley Linden: so many gems come in every week, from VJ loops, to nostalgic videos, and more
Torley Linden: it's a treasure trove
Squirrel Wood: http://www.werkkzeug.com/
Igel Hawks: http://www.mindcandy.de/
Kippie Friedkin: sweet
Torley Linden: sweet links, i gotta bookmark these to watch after work
Squirrel Wood: http://www.werkkzeug.com/examples
Torley Linden: i know Cel Edman, of Sculptypaint Second Life fame also made a seamless texture editor
Stephen Posaner: sorry to go off topic has anyone experianced problems with the rc not allowing cam controls on the arrow keys
Igel Hawks: I like all the Frabrausch stuff very much
Torley Linden: whoa, this Mindcandy stuff, it looks awesome
Igel Hawks: Torley: It is!
ColeMarie Soleil: Yes.
ColeMarie Soleil: I have.
Torley Linden: Stephen, hmmm... haven't noticed that yet...
ColeMarie Soleil: It drives me insane shooting pictures.
Stephen Posaner: it worked b4 that is y i am asking
Igel Hawks: I have all of them, Sometimes I get lost in watchiung
Torley Linden: if there's a solid repro for that bug i'd like to hear it, it should be on the Issue Tracker so we can fix it
Torley Linden: Igel, sometimes i like to do that, chill out with some wicked films and feel really immersed
Stephen Posaner: @cole I just did a reinstall yesterday
Torley Linden: i like Second Life experiences which are psychedelic explorations
Stephen Posaner: I will try with my reg viewer later and then try to repo on this
Igel Hawks: *smiling*
Torley Linden: i am taking pictures of us right now that are going to http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/ soon, whoa, i have some tripped out WindLight settings
Stephen Posaner: I missed photo op last week
Torley Linden: as always, if anyone has any suggestions for "I wish I knew that when I started Second Life!" video tutorials i should do, let me know!
Torley Linden: hehehe
Gellan Glenelg: ctrl= up arrow
Squirrel Wood: Oooo... How to save chat logs and WHERE to find them....
Torley Linden: i remember one of the things that was tricky for me to learn at first was the fact you can texture different faces of a prim independently
Torley Linden: some dude tried to rip me off for L$500 to "teach" it io me
Sougent Harrop: Torley, I've noticed that if I put my draw distance to 512 and do a lot of camming about, my memory gets eaten up and I crash, is there already a Jira on it?
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Some of my friends have been thinking it might be an interesting idea to have a tiny sandbox with no scripting near each infohub, so beginners could unpack boxes and maybe practice build techniques with single prims.
Torley Linden: Squirrel, part of that was in http://youtube.com/watch?v=O42SKhXesQo :D haha
Ewan Mureaux: theres an idea torley go freelance
Torley Linden: CeeJay, thanks for sending that my way, and i've asked Linden Department of Public Works
Gellan Glenelg: from several otherwise-sensible friends: "Why it it NOT a good idea to press 'accept' on a yellow box, just to see what it will do!"
Torley Linden: Sougent, i suspect that is related to other known memory leaks
Torley Linden: i've noticed my memory balloon tremendously under similar conditions :|
Sougent Harrop: Well, I can reproduce it at will.
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Torley, Violet is a good test, if it won't work there it probably won't work anywhere. TY!
Torley Linden: oh, Sougent, is it pretty simple to do?
Squirrel Wood: 512 draw distance is for taking screenshots. not recommended for everyday usage.
Sougent Harrop: Gets to 1.6 gb and I start getting the errors, the smartheap
Squirrel Wood: Stay at 128m or below.
ColeMarie Soleil: *cries inside*
Torley Linden: CeeJay: yeah, as part of all this "revitalize the mainland goodness", especially considering how cool violet already is
Torley Linden: Sougent, yup, same here in my previous experience :|
Sougent Harrop: Well, 512 may be for pictures, but it shouldn't crash the viewer
Ewan Mureaux: the trouble is with those "be careful" things is that it might end up up sounding a bit ummm scary and offputting but people do need to know better
Sougent Harrop: And I suspect it happens at lower distances, just takes longer
Squirrel Wood wants to wreak terraforming havoc on a sim cluster :p
Torley Linden: we have a dedicated team (including the WindLight core devs) who are working on viewer stability and lowering crash rate
ColeMarie Soleil: 512 jst plain crashes after too much camming
Torley Linden: you're sending crash logs too on that, right Sougent?
Sougent Harrop: Every time Torley.
ColeMarie Soleil: yup
Torley Linden: good good
Torley Linden: ok
Sougent Harrop: In fact, I opened up the console one time, it was erroring out on loading textures
Sougent Harrop: Liek there was no more room for new ones
Dizzy Banjo: do you find the flickr 3 uploader to be MUCH slower than 2 Torley ?
Torley Linden: i don't like seeing SL eat up so much memory because i run 3 other RAM hogs regularly... Firefox, Sony Vegas, and Photoshop
Torley Linden: i've gotten those SmartHeap errors too
Dizzy Banjo: i dunno if its just me.. :S
Torley Linden: i didn't use ver. 2 all that much Dizzy
Dizzy Banjo: ok
Torley Linden: so i don't have a good basis for comparison, alas
Squirrel Wood: I use TaskInfo 2000 to monitor SLs memory usage
Squirrel Wood: (allows you to flush the applications memory)
Torley Linden: i don't like seeing SL's memory balloon, because eventually, it means i have to relog.
Torley Linden: that can be disruptive if i'm doing something else.
Torley Linden: Squirrel, is that effective with SL?
Squirrel Wood: Yes.
Torley Linden: *makes a note to check it out*, thanks for the tip
Sougent Harrop: Turn on the console sometime Torley, it'll give you an error message for loading textures and if you keep ignoring, you'll see the pattern of sorts.
Squirrel Wood: quite a nice tool it is
Torley Linden: thanks for checking so closely, Sougent
Torley Linden: heya Tara5 ;)
Igel Hawks: Hi Tara5
Sougent Harrop: I've gotten to where when I see myself reach 1.5gb of usage, I know I need to log out.
Torley Linden: aye
Squirrel Wood: SL on my machine behaves quite nicely... not much of a memory hog at all
Torley Linden: who here already knows that you can select pie menu items with a single right click? just hold down right mouse button (and the edges will be faded), then select a pie wedge.
Dizzy Banjo: btw thanks for that great post on tips for making tutorials ( esp the camtasia codec stuff ) it was really useful.. im trying to get my head around doing some audio installation tours of the grid at the mo
Squirrel Wood knows, hardly makes use of it
Torley Linden: oh you're very welcome Dizzy!
Gellan Glenelg: knew it; don't use it
ColeMarie Soleil: XD
ColeMarie Soleil: YAY!
Torley Linden: hehe just checkin' :)
Igel Hawks: On my notebook it runs smoothly. Just the graphiccard melts sometimes ...
Torley Linden: that melty no good! :D
Torley Linden: :O i mean
Claryssa Schmidt: hi Dizzy
Torley Linden: hiya Kyra!
Dizzy Banjo: hi Tara5 :D long time no see :D
Dizzy Banjo: hey Claryssa :)
Qie Niangao: hmmm... i can't remember now which way I usually select from the pie menu. :o
Igel Hawks: The second card in 16 months ...
Stephen Posaner: wow
Torley Linden: there's been debate about whether we should have a pie menu at all... how useful is it really... and how it can be confusing to newcomers...
Kyra Student: good afternoon everyone. :)
Dizzy Banjo: oh its awesome !
Squirrel Wood: pie (menu) is a MUST!
Gellan Glenelg: what's the alternative tho?
Dizzy Banjo: please dont get rid of it !!
Ewan Mureaux: the pie menu is a must for quickness
ColeMarie Soleil: *has no pie*
Torley Linden: i'm glad you said that
Dizzy Banjo: yeh gestural interaction should be encouraged
ColeMarie Soleil: YAY!
Torley Linden: well, one alternative is "a regular context menu like other programs have"
Torley Linden: i am NOT saying that this going to happen anytime soon, just ideas kicking around
Squirrel Wood: nah. less intuitive
Gellan Glenelg: if nothing else, thik of all the "LL developers ate the pie" jokes!
Dizzy Banjo wishes all operating systems had PIE
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I vote for pie menus.
Torley Linden: lol Gellan
Sougent Harrop: That might be better Torley, I know I occasionally hit the wrong pie piece sometimes.
Stephen Posaner: I just wish thier were other options for some things that are not on pie or without a kb shortcut
Kyra Student: i also rly like the pie menus
Qie Niangao: i sure don't remember it being confusing to use. Although when things move around on the pie menu from release to release, *that* can be confusing.
Ewan Mureaux: even things like, i visit a lot of land and always pie menu the ground rather than using the menu up top
Squirrel Wood: best way to approach this is to offer a choice between pie and normal context menu
Torley Linden: one tricky thing tho with the pie menu is accessing deeper hierarchies, i remember when Oz Spade sketched an example of how it might be better to have adjacent extra pie menus appear... but that might eat too much screen real estate
CeeJay Tigerpaw: You have strong visual confirmation of what you are dealing with, because it is centered in the pie.
Dizzy Banjo: sometimes i try to be too Jedi with hold down actions .. and accidentally mute people
Sougent Harrop: Should offer an option, pie or standard context type.,
Torley Linden: Squirrel, while options are valid in some cases, all too often choices, many of them, are bewildering to people who aren't technically savvy (and not faulting them for it, just hoping they have a smoother entry into Second Life)
Dizzy Banjo: yeh that could work soug
Torley Linden: hahaha Dizzy
Torley Linden: eventually though i suspect advanced user skinning will make things more configurable ANYWAY
Torley Linden: so as long as there's a good set of "defaults", then someone can tailor it as they like... and have many options imposed on them if they choose...
Stephen Posaner: what about a begginer pie and one that is more power when the client menu is visable
Torley Linden: like how we hide the Advanced menu
Sougent Harrop: I think that's a bit off Torley, yes, can be confusing but the key is having the option availabe for those who won't be confused
Dizzy Banjo wants to control it ALL using his Wiimote.. wildly swinging around in combo gestures..!!!
Torley Linden: Stephen, yes, i think in the future, we'll want better ways to distinguish beginner/expert stuff
ColeMarie Soleil: 0.o
Torley Linden: some people would be happy to have a command line to enter in options to control their avatar
Torley Linden: bahahhaha Dizzy
Sougent Harrop: I mean, if you want people to be less confused, put the buttons on the bottome up under the menu like it is on most other products out there with buttons.
Torley Linden: yeah i'd like to get that dude, Johnny Lee, to hack SL to work with the Wii
Squirrel Wood thinks you should form a team that works out a new, consistent UI from scratch
Dizzy Banjo: lol yeh .. when Bartle was in SL the other day.. i heard him say .. "he cant be griefed, because he has a text window across the entire screen" .. lmao !
Torley Linden: Squirrel, that'd effectively be the providence of the current Resident Experience Team along with some devs.
Stephen Posaner: if only the wii mote could be attached as a joystick
Torley Linden: hahah Dizzy, Bartle is well-known for his love of text in that way
Squirrel Wood: any feature must be accessable in at most three clicks...
Sougent Harrop: The wiimote is just a bluetooth human interface device, probably wouldn't be to hard to do with it what was done for space navigator
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I am not sure a beginner/advanced bit is a good idea. Beginners expect to learn from more experienced residents, and if they are using an interface we have forgotten, that process won't work as well.
Dizzy Banjo: yeah
Torley Linden: another related problem is right now, some features are available via too many pathways...
Kyra Student: very true ceejay
Torley Linden: some say that choice is good, but for illustrating how to do something, it can be puzzling
Kyra Student nods
Stephen Posaner: concure
Torley Linden: CeeKay: that's an intriguing perspective too.
CeeJay Tigerpaw: I think the right approach is to design an interface that provides clear, simple restricted choice for beginners, but has options for fancy stuff.
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Torley Linden: there are three ways to get to About Land, for example... :O
Dizzy Banjo: hmm .. removing some of those paths will definitely substantially affect workflow for some people tho.. hard choice
CeeJay Tigerpaw: That is *not* an easy task, but it is doable and worthwhile.
Squirrel Wood: torley.. tutorial idea: How to recover prims that you have accidentally buried underground...
Torley Linden: hee hee Squirrel, that's http://youtube.com/watch?v=GjkH7fj5bFM :)
Squirrel Wood: had to help someone yesterday who had that problem and was unable to follow simple instructions
Torley Linden: good idea
Sougent Harrop: And which paths do you remove and is the one left behind the best path?
Dizzy Banjo: yeh soug
Torley Linden: Sougent, yeah, removing something after it's put in is ALWAYS hard...
Dizzy Banjo: hard...
Torley Linden: ALWAYS gonna be complaints...
Kyra Student: very true
Torley Linden: ANY change, no matter how beneficial, gets complaints
Sougent Harrop: Microsoft spends loads of money on UI design and still gets grief on it.
Kyra Student: u cana't please every1 no matter how hard u try
Sougent Harrop: No win situation
Dizzy Banjo is reading "the making of SL" at the mo.. quite funny how many times thats happened.. lol
Torley Linden: most people aren't able to accurately visualize how happy they'll be after going through further experiences, it's basic human psychology
Igel Hawks: *sighs*
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CeeJay Tigerpaw: But pleasing some of the people is better than pleasing no one at all.
Torley Linden: even Apple gets grief on some of their UI design but i like their stuff =)
Stephen Posaner: we need to look at the greater good for the comunity not just a small crosssection of the grid
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Yes, Stephen!
Ewan Mureaux: i hated dazzle until i got a nice skin on it now i love it more than the old ui
Kyra Student: that is true ceejay, but u need 2 please most to b successful
Torley Linden: and being more specific, "which people do we want to please here?" in the case of Second Life making it to a wider audience, it has to be easier for non-techically-skilled minds
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Agree, Kyra
Dizzy Banjo thinks apple just over simplify sometimes.. and hopes LL dont go THAT far..
Sougent Harrop: Honestly, you'd be best served by looking at other products and how they do UI and what the opinions are on them.
Kyra Student agrees w/torley
Squirrel Wood: be consistent. three clicks at most and no more than two ways to find a specific thing
CeeJay Tigerpaw: It has to be easy for people who are not techies and do not want to become techies.
Torley Linden: there's all sorts of marketing books out there about that; enough ideas cancel each other out and become dilluted and effective, so it's important to be clear.
CeeJay Tigerpaw: SL must cater to them and make it easy for them to learn.
Kyra Student: i like the no more than 3 clicks idea
Torley Linden: it'll be interesting to see, in mid-2009, what SL's UI looks like...
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Old school techies can hack anything they want with TECO and DDT, and *any* SL interface will be a cinch for them.
Dizzy Banjo: i guess , with various opensource clients out there.. Nicholaz etc.. we are always going to have the power user options..
Qie Niangao: *entry* has to be easy and simple... but a complex program will have an awful lot of interface options and features to access, somehow
Torley Linden: yup, and people can have the choice to choose what they want
Sougent Harrop: I'd love to see the ability to arrange the button bar on the bottom to the top or sides, also to be able to add my own buttons for functions.
Torley Linden: it's like, i was saying this the other day, synthesizers gained mass market acceptance in large part (aside from price) because of easy presets
Torley Linden: early synthesizers were difficult to learn and you had to physically use cords to patch sounds together
ColeMarie Soleil: * is listening again *
ColeMarie Soleil: 0,o
Torley Linden: now, you can quickly download some virtual synths with 1000s of great sounds that you can tweak IF YOU WANT, but otherwise, they sound great out of the box
Torley Linden: good starting points, like clip art, are very important to bridge someone's discovery
Squirrel Wood: labelled buttons...
Torley Linden: a lot of people don't know, when they come in, that everything is made from prims...
ColeMarie Soleil: mmmm I think seeing the word synth even makes me happy. 0,o I had no point I'm sorry.
CeeJay Tigerpaw: SL might use Mac-style "tooltips" creatively --
Torley Linden: and put together in ways that look complicated, but it's really science
Torley Linden: haha ColeMarie :)
Dizzy Banjo: yeh thats a good analogy Torley.. also.. that people didnt "get" the mindset of a synth being a synth.. not a emulated "real"instrument.. until a similar time.. which is kind of like the mindshift needed to understand virtual / physical
Torley Linden: i like a lot of Apple's design...
Sougent Harrop: Unlabled buttons too, like with a browser, large icons, small icons, with text or without.
Torley Linden: Dizzy, yup, that too, people were like "it's a novelty, it'll die off soon"... funny how vinyl records are kept alive tho by synth-made music
ColeMarie Soleil: I love this conversation.
Torley Linden: in that case, it's an example of a new technology bringing new value to the old
Kyra Student: ppl r amazed by what they c when they finally come n2 SL
Stephen Posaner: I also see some non syth vynil
Kyra Student: opens whole new worlds to them and levels of creativity
ColeMarie Soleil: YAY!
ColeMarie Soleil: for art
Torley Linden: i was in Kaneva and IMVU (which bluescreened me, ugh) the other day and being a complete noob, seeing how quickly i could learn them
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Dizzy Banjo: lol.. traitor !!
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: hahahaha ;)
Torley Linden: EXPLORER
Torley Linden: ;D
Dizzy Banjo: :P
Kyra Student: lol
Igel Hawks: hehe
Torley Linden: i like how Kaneva can play YouTube videos easily, but the framerate was unbelievably low and choppy
Dizzy Banjo: ive been all over them too.. lol..
Torley Linden: even their opening video tutorials were like, 5 FPS
Stephen Posaner: I was trying to get in to an nother grid and could not get on\
Igel Hawks: That's usual foor Kaneva
Torley Linden: i found Kaneva didn't coexist well with other apps and it made my computer feel choppier than SL, i was surprised
Torley Linden: of course the "rezzing" was fast, but there was a LOT (100s of megabytes) of initial content dowloaded...
Dizzy Banjo: i became part of a wall within 10seconds of logging into Twinity 0_0
Torley Linden: i was like "OMG HURRY UP DANGIT"
Torley Linden: hahaha i haven't tried Twinity yet
Igel Hawks: I was amazed about the perfomance in Afterworld,
Torley Linden: i wanna try that Hello Kitty one
ColeMarie Soleil: !
ColeMarie Soleil: wtf
Torley Linden: i'll call it "market research" ;)
ColeMarie Soleil: where
Kyra Student: hello kitty one?
ColeMarie Soleil: yea
Igel Hawks: but the Alphatesting over two years is boring ...
ColeMarie Soleil: hello kitty?
Torley Linden: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/
ColeMarie Soleil: OMG
ColeMarie Soleil: XD
Kyra Student: ty
ColeMarie Soleil: <3
Ewan Mureaux: watch you dont love it too much and leave us
Torley Linden: yeah that sounds like na awfully long time Igel
Torley Linden: well, in the beginning, i tried There and Second Life
Torley Linden: and i liked Second Life more, so i stayed
Dizzy Banjo: i made it into a Metaplace stress test briefly the other day
Torley Linden: a large part of my upbringing here had to do with really helpful people that guided me along the way
Stephen Posaner: I <3 SL
ColeMarie Soleil: I <3 hello kitty
Dizzy Banjo: that was sort of interesting
Torley Linden: hmmm
Torley Linden: i see something that resembles an 8-bit RPG on that metaplace website
Torley Linden: they make all sorts of fun products based on Hello Kitty :D
Torley Linden: they even have dedicated stores for Hello Kitty
Torley Linden: like that frog dude too, Kerokerokeropi
Stephen Posaner: SL made me want my computer to boot it again so quickly instard of hacking everything else to get it to work
Torley Linden: i think that's his name, man, what a repetitive name to spell
Kyra Student: <3 Heloo Kitty 2!
Torley Linden: haha Stephen
Torley Linden: it sure has been good. thank you so much each and everyone for joining me for this spirited discussion... i gotta go for now, t'care! :D
Stephen Posaner: I missed my friends:(
Igel Hawks: :D
Igel Hawks: I just like it
Dizzy Banjo: cyas Torley
Torley Linden: time sure flies, you know how that goes ;D
Claryssa Schmidt: bye Torley
Squirrel Wood: Have a great weekend Torley :)
Gellan Glenelg: cya
Stephen Posaner: peace torley
CoyoteAngel Dimsum: \
Torley Linden: i'll be back next week at this same timeeeee and plaaaaace
CoyoteAngel Dimsum: thank you
Qie Niangao: thanks for hosting, Torley... have fun!
Claryssa Schmidt: cool outfit Ewan
Ewan Mureaux: bsee ya soon!
CeeJay Tigerpaw: CUL Torley!
Kyra Student: I <3 SL so much that i bought a new higher powered laptop. old one was having issues. (:
Igel Hawks: Thanks Torley, bye for now
Ewan Mureaux: thanks
Torley Linden: peace out, rock on, make Second Life vibrant... =o) *waves and smiles*