User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2008-05-22
Torley Linden: HEY HEY!
Roger Seomun: heyyyyy
Torley Linden: Friendly greetings!
Roger Seomun: torley
Keumjoo Ahn waves
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Hi Torley!
Jaymes Kjeller: Hey Torley!
Arcadia Jonson: Hi...
Rinoa Rives: hiya
Little Tiger: Click me to toggle the animation on/off
Torley Linden: Wowzerama, thanks for coming over!
Torley Linden: Today I am a type of seadragon...
Torley Linden: how's each and everyone!
Kara Spengler: heya Torley
Torley Linden: Ahhh Stephen you're sitting on me, LOL!
Torley Linden: What timing. :-)
Keumjoo Ahn: fince since you are here? lol
Roger Seomun: coool
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Kara Spengler: trouble finding a seat Jessica?
Jessica Kabumpo: Rawr ^-^
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Roger Seomun: i am good
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Johan Laurasia: Hey Torley
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Rinoa Rives: cute ^_^
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Kara Spengler: Strikes her Razor Sharp Claw...
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Jessica Kabumpo: oh, Torley .... deafening people with your slurl link is a bad idea
Torley Linden: Oooh!
Torley Linden: :)
Torley Linden: Hahahaha.
Johan Laurasia: Hey Torley, remember the other day when said I'd make a watermelon clock for ya?
Torley Linden: It's good to be here with each and all of you.
Torley Linden: I think so Johan! Has it happened? :)
Johan Laurasia: yep, may I give it to ya?
Roger Seomun: ah cool
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Ron Crimson: ZOMG ^_^ Just in time, too!
Jessica Kabumpo: ...*meow*
Ron Crimson: Friendly greetings! (Gosh, I hope that one isn't copyrighted...)
Rinoa Rives giggles.
Keumjoo Ahn giggles
Torley Linden: Hahaha no it isn't.
Ewan Mureaux: hey everyone, howdy trlmeister
Torley Linden: Yes please do Johan!
Torley Linden: I like to open surce stuff whenever possible.
Ron Crimson: No seats left, eh? :) Not a problem.... behold my mighty MYSTITOOL!
Torley Linden: SOURCE i mean!
Johan Laurasia gave you Torley Clock.
Ron Crimson: lol Torley :)
Torley Linden: hahahah the MystiTool is such a great invention.
Torley Linden: in Second Life, we have our own Thomas Edisons!
Stephen Posaner: torley I had an odd question and I think u are the one to ask
Ron Crimson: Totally is
Stephen Posaner: when doing an audio media stream do you need to leave it as a .pls
Rinoa Rives: HIYA immy
Chase Marellan: Hey, SL is one place where you can be a Thomas Edison without having million dollar grants. :)
Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^)
Torley Linden: Stephen, did you see my video tutorial on that? ;)
Torley Linden: you need to open the pls file and dig inside for the ACTUAL URL
Johan Laurasia: Hope you like the clock Torley, I figured if I stuck with pink and green, I was safe
Ron Crimson: Let me know if I'm in anybody's way... I'll be happy to move...and of course sit with me whoever wants to have a seat ^_^
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Though million-dollar grants might be encouraging ...
Torley Linden: otherwise it won't play
Torley Linden: Chase, so true, so true...
Patchouli Woollahra shouts: Save a horse, ride a Cow Fish, boy!
Torley Linden: money tends to be such a powerful motivator.
Chase Marellan: I love it, Patch!
Torley Linden: (sorry i can't answer IMs right now! flooded!)
Chase Marellan: Well that's true about money
Evelynn Ballinger: I have a question re: Machinima
Patchouli Woollahra: money isn't everything.
Ron Crimson: Ouch. Auto-return. LOL, guess I'll be alone in my chair now
Rasta Reinoir: Hello
Chase Marellan: The electric company tends not to care how cool something is. :)
Stephen Posaner: hears back ground on y I ask we want to run a dj battel and I set it up as http://stream:port in both areas with 2 seprate streams and it did not worrk
Patchouli Woollahra: some ideas like Parsec aren't exactly profitable.
Ron Crimson: Chase: they do if it's an airconditioner. *grin*
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Money can't buy happiness, but happiness can't buy groceries .... OTOH, eating is *so* 2006 ...
Stephen Posaner: and yes I saw the vid tut
Patchouli Woollahra: Stephen, you'll need a streaming server that can mix both streams together somehow.
Ewan Mureaux: theres space in the watermelon if you need a seat, i dont smel..... much
Patchouli Woollahra: t
Chase Marellan: No, certainly not Patch. But that's the best part; you can do the cool things too. :)
Johan Laurasia: I'm having quite a day... Just got out of a visit with Philip
Patchouli Woollahra: Philip's doing office hours now?
Patchouli Woollahra: awesome.
Johan Laurasia: he was a while ago
Johan Laurasia: we chatted about 1/2 hr
Patchouli Woollahra: btw, Torley, I nudged you on Skype wif my new Skype name :D
Patchouli Woollahra: getting flooded there too?
Torley Linden: oh, i don't use Skype except for work purposes and talking with my wife! too many communication channels
Patchouli Woollahra: oh yes, that makes sense...
Torley Linden: i just don't have enough time, nor clones, and i am sorry about that.
Johan Laurasia: lol
Patchouli Woollahra: No biggies...
Ron Crimson: Torley, are you saying your wife is part of your work? ;)
Kara Spengler: can never have too many communications mediums :)
Johan Laurasia: did you get the clock Torley?
Jessica Kabumpo: haha
Keumjoo Ahn: lol ron
Torley Linden: Johan, no i didn't... please retry? :)
Squirrel Wood: POKE!!!!
Johan Laurasia: sure
Evelynn Ballinger: Torley, is there any way to stop or get rid of the little sparkly thingys that float around things when doing a video?
Patchouli Woollahra: Ron, you do NOT want to pose that question to Mrs Wong.
Roger Seomun: yes
Jessica Kabumpo has AIM, MSN, Skype, and Yahoo!
Roger Seomun: i just wondering taht
Imnotgoing Sideways: (O_O)
Ron Crimson: Pat, I'll take your word for it. :)
Torley Linden: i literally get 100s of emails a day and so many more messages on Flickr, FaceBook, MySpace, YouTube, etc. it's just too much for one me to handle... i still focus tho :)
Patchouli Woollahra: Skype only here. and GTalk.
Torley Linden: Evelynn: which... little sparkly thingys? particle effects?
Johan Laurasia gave you Torley Clock.
Torley Linden: Johan, there we go. got it. THANKS i hope to enjoy it soon.
Torley Linden: i wonder how all this stuff with Google FriendConnect will go...
Jessica Kabumpo: oh, I also have Jabber ... connected to LiveJournal
Patchouli Woollahra: like the odd rotating particles that say someone is doing something using LSL.
Johan Laurasia: :) you're welcome!
Torley Linden: so many different sites and ways to interact out there, i prefer when they can talk to each other.
Ewan Mureaux: jabber is what mr T uses?
Patchouli Woollahra: that aren't doable with current particlesystems :(
Evelynn Ballinger: yes I think that's what they are. like when someone drops a tip in a tip jar ..you get little sparkly things that swirl around it for a few seconds
Chase Marellan: Wait, Google FriendConnect is a real service? I thought it was just phishing spam.
Evelynn Ballinger: or if someone drops something into your inventory
Torley Linden: i used to use Jabber. i don't use ext. IM programs right now tho, just not enough tiiiiime (says it like Khan from Star Trek)
Patchouli Woollahra: it's so poorly named for a Google service, anyone could make that mistake, Chase.
Johan Laurasia: kahn!!!!!!!!
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Ron Crimson giggles... Khan from Star Trek... worst-ever acting from William Shatner in the history of Trek movies
Torley Linden: hahahaha
Ghost Menjou: Rezzing ,Ruth died D:
Torley Linden: i've seen those animated GIFs too
Imnotgoing Sideways: Heh.. was there ever any GOOD acting? (o.o)
Tao Takashi: Hi there
Ron Crimson: Jason Alexander did a wonderful parody of that scene once.... I forget when and where though
Torley Linden: William Shatner made a career out of his hamminess
Torley Linden: heya Tao!
Torley Linden: welcome each and everyone to my office!
Jessica Kabumpo: in the 4th movie
Ron Crimson: True dat!
Torley Linden: we are having lively convos here!
Ewan Mureaux: his albums are amazing
Ghost Menjou: Hello everyone
Torley Linden: Ron, i was reading up on some old memories of the Soup Nazi the other day...
Torley Linden: heya Ghost!
Patchouli Woollahra: Lucy... In the sky... With... Diamonds...
Kooky Jetaime: William Shatner was on Glen Beck last Friday.. and boy was it a good hour
Ash Meersand: Hi, Torley! I have a notecard with five or ten questions I've saved up for when I could make it
Johan Laurasia: well, he acted well enough to have his tv show translated into god knows how many languages...
Ron Crimson: Hi Ghost...um... what's with your transparency level? Just kidding....
Torley Linden: and my gosh, re: Seinfeld i think that oil painting of Kramer is incredible
Kara Spengler: a friend of mine collects autographs ..... he makes it a point of pride that he does not have a Shatner
Squirrel Wood: Hello and welcome, most Torley of all Lindens :p
Torley Linden: Ash, sure, please ask! :)
Ghost Menjou: ha :P
Ron Crimson: ;)
Ash Meersand: Is there a way to turn floating text above objects off?
Johan Laurasia: ype
Johan Laurasia: yep
Ewan Mureaux: llSetText("",<1,1,1>)
Patchouli Woollahra: oh, btw, for those of you who are interested in further clarification on how SL trademarks are to be handled now, the VTeam recently hosted a Q&A session with LauraP Linden at the Brand Center.
Evelynn Ballinger: should we drop a notecard to you with our questions?
Ron Crimson: Well, if it's generated from a script within the object, I'd guess no...
Patchouli Woollahra: http://vteamblog.com/2008/05/21/qa-trademark-guidelines-with-laurap-linden-transcript/#more-156
Ewan Mureaux: i missed a number silly me
Johan Laurasia: Torley posted a 'scrubber' script once too, that clears prim settings
Imnotgoing Sideways: Heh... I'm handling my Second Life™ trademarks just fine. (^_^) By using word-replace gestures FTW! \(^_^)/
Ron Crimson: Yes, but that's not very useful if the object/script isn't yours to edit. :)
Ewan Mureaux: theres one over at the frrebies, stop veiewer side effects
Torley Linden: VTEAM IS ROCKIN' ON...
Torley Linden: they are doing fab with their Q&A sessions
Ash Meersand: Thanks
Ron Crimson: Hmm, some ALT codes for the TM and (c) and stuff would be useful
Cammrynn Cummings: yes they do :-p
Kooky Jetaime: Ron, I have em
Torley Linden: there should be a more intuitive way to turn off viewer-side effects
Jessica Kabumpo: Opt+2
Kooky Jetaime: ©
Kooky Jetaime: ™
Torley Linden: Ron: i hate, hate how hard it is to do those on Windows.
Kooky Jetaime: ® is ALT-0174 ™ is ALT-0153 © is ALT-0169
Kooky Jetaime: ®
Patchouli Woollahra: basically, it's easy to sum up thus: LL is giving you a lot of freedom to use SL trademarks for fair reasons... but you have to meet halfway and read up or consult your trademark attorney when in doubt!
Ron Crimson: Cool! Pass them to me please Kooky :)
Torley Linden: Mac users can do those SOOO easily.
Ash Meersand: If you fly too far north, south, east, or west in SecondLife, does it wrap back around?
Ewan Mureaux: oh theres a trademark compliant gesture jkit
Ewan Mureaux: anyone want it?
Evelynn Ballinger: so there's no way to shut those off atm then?
Kooky Jetaime: Sure Ewan, toss it
Cammrynn Cummings: Me
Jessica Kabumpo: Opt+2 == ™; Opt+R == ®; Opt+G == ©
Ron Crimson: Me too, Torley... I work for an in-world translation agency and I hate having to type German umlauts on an US keyboard :P
Patchouli Woollahra: Evelynn: too easy to cause griefing without that telltale swirl.
Ghost Menjou: Vteams does a great job ,but I heard the Gteam is doing less well.I heard of AR being filed AGAINST Gteam members.Never had problems with them myself.
Imnotgoing Sideways: We have one at the Forum Cartel hangout too. It's in a freebie box out on the deck. (^_^)
Ewan Mureaux: i rezzed it al take a copy
Patchouli Woollahra: Ghost, I think you'll find some of those reports to be less than fair.
Imnotgoing Sideways: It has more than I'm willing to use though. (>_<)
Ewan Mureaux: save fishing for names
Ghost Menjou: Probally ,people always overract.
Torley Linden: Ghost: ah, speculation runs wild... so many times i've seen griefers who denied doing stuff when i had taped them :p
Kooky Jetaime: I can't copy it
Ash Meersand: Torley, do you plan on doing a scripting tutorial anytime soon?
Cammrynn Cummings: same here
Ewan Mureaux: its funny though
Kooky Jetaime: Though I do like the graphic choice
Ewan Mureaux: does a little salute when you type SL™
Kooky Jetaime: Ewan - are the contents no copy?
Torley Linden: Ash: i may do some in the future, but one of the challenges is having text appear clearly enough. i'd need a text supplement anyway, since code snippets are USEFUL to copy and paste.
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Patchouli Woollahra: Torley: agreed. it's the griefer's word against the GTeamer. and generally, the griefer doesn't realise the insane amount of logging that goes in everything but voice chat.
Ewan Mureaux: should be fuil perm
Jaymes Kjeller: Like that video tutorial you did in the public sandbox, if I remember correctly.
Torley Linden: Ash, i did a floating text one briefly... more involved ones may be collaborations with others tho. i'd love to see more easy-start recipes appear on wiki.secondlife.com
Ewan Mureaux gave you Second Life(R) Trademark Compliance Gesture Pack v1.
Patchouli Woollahra: and therein lies a problem. what happens if someone uses voice chat to abuse? where's the recorded proof? =sigh=
Johan Laurasia: Well, I'm off to RL work, shoot me an IM and let me know what u think of the clock when you get a chance to look at it Torley...
Ewan Mureaux: use audacity :D
Torley Linden: a Compliance Gesture Pack! oh, will have to see this. Gestures for text macros including weird characters are a good idea.
Ash Meersand: SLWiki was great when I created my first scripted object, but I had to dive through a lot of functions that were useless before I got to the best ones
Torley Linden: i look forward to it, thanks Johan!
Johan Laurasia: bye all!
Cammrynn Cummings: bye Johan
Kooky Jetaime: Torley..
Rinoa Rives: bye bye
Ash Meersand: How about just a QuickTip for making objects rotate?
Ewan Mureaux: bye johan
Torley Linden: a long time ago, Jeffrey Gomez did a good LSL 101 tutorial on the wiki BEFORE the current wiki.secondlife.com ...
Imnotgoing Sideways: It's a fun way to say Second Life™ and throw people for a loop. (^_^)
Kooky Jetaime: You might want to reconsider moving your office hour to the roof or something where we're not all so jammed in
Rinoa Rives: ack... chat lag
Torley Linden: Ash, maybe! *makes a note* there's a lot of those simple effect functions i could do
Patchouli Woollahra: llTargetOmega, and how to make it less stressful for your sim!
Torley Linden: haha Kooky, maybe eventually i will expand into a PALACE... MUHAAHAHAHAH
Ron Crimson: Speaking of logging - this reminds me of something I had to deal with long ago, someone claimed to be able to monitor my IM with a third party, and they actually knew what I was talking about in IM. Are IMs really secure or can they be monitored at all?
Imnotgoing Sideways: Konnichiwa <Hi> (^_^) Light (^_^)y
Patchouli Woollahra: (phantom is your friend)
Light Sol: Hi.
Torley Linden: Ron: AFAIK no one else should be able to monitor your IMs. that'd be a bad exploit.
Ghost Menjou: I saw a tip jar with 20 setrot scripts in it a while ago .Scripts effiency
Ghost Menjou: Script*
Patchouli Woollahra: Ron, there are three spots where IMs can be interecepted.
Ghost Menjou: My typefu is weak today
Patchouli Woollahra: on the grid servers, at your end, or at your target's end.
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Ron Crimson: Agreed, so what you're saying is it should be impossible to do (via a scripted tool, anyway)
Ron Crimson: Pat: that much is obvious, true. :)
Stephen Posaner: you are no match for my tek-fu
Patchouli Woollahra: there's this general agreement that the ends are easier to target and compromise (say, via trojan or rootkitting.
Imnotgoing Sideways takes notes. (=_=)
Patchouli Woollahra: it's a general compromise because the alternative simply does NOT bear thinking!
Rinoa Rives: ROFL
Phoenixa Sol: hiya Torley, thank you sooo very much for your post on the JIRA 6110 issue today, it was encouraging!
Ron Crimson: True, but I'm talking strictly in-world monitoring of IMs, not by means of intercepting my keyboard input outside of the viewer or anything like that
Patchouli Woollahra: Can you imagine the implications of LL servers for IM being compromised to allow nonLinden access to IMs other than theirs?
Torley Linden: you're welcome!
Patchouli Woollahra: No, not supposed to be doable. la la la.
Patchouli Woollahra isn't hearing otherwise.
Imnotgoing Sideways giggles.
Ron Crimson: I don't WANT to, Pat. ;)
Torley Linden: ｏｍｇ ｍｙ ｆｏｎｔ ｈａｓ ｃｈａｎｇｅｄ
Jessica Kabumpo: o.O
Torley Linden: ｉ ａｍ ｄｏｉｎｇ ａｎ ｅｘｐｅｒｉｍｅｎｔ ｉｎ ｆｕｌｌｔｅｘｔ ｃｈａｒａｃｔｅｒｓ
Roger Seomun: ?
Ghost Menjou: ITs probally not download able
Imnotgoing Sideways: LULZ! (^_^)
Evelynn Ballinger: Torley, I truly hate to be a both...I know how busy you are..but nobody has answered my questions yet
Cammrynn Cummings giggles.
Rinoa Rives: WOA
Torley Linden: ｏｒ ｐｅｒｈａｐｓ ｍｏｒｅ ａｃｃｕｒａｔｅｌｙ， ｍｙ ｆｏｎｔ ｉｓ ｔｈｅ ｓａｍｅ ｂｕｔ ｒｕｎｓ ｆｒｏｍ ｔｈｅ Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ ｕｎｉｃｏｄｅ ｓｅｔ．．．
Evelynn Ballinger: bother rather
Torley Linden: ｇｏｏｄ ｌｏｒｄ
Ron Crimson: Evelynn, what was your Q?
Patchouli Woollahra: having said that, if you have even the slightest inling that such a exploit is underway... best to file a security report urgently to LL.
Torley Linden: Ｅｖｅｌｙｎｎ ｐａｒｄｏｎ， ｗｈａｔ ｗａｓ ｙｏｕｒ Ｑ？
Ron Crimson: That's a relief. So the guy who claimed he could monitor my IMs lied, then. I assumed that he was simply told by someone else
Torley Linden: Ｒｏｎ：ｙｅｓ， ｔｈｅｒｅ＇ｖｅ ｂｅｅｎ ａ ｌｏｔ ｏｆ ｌｉｅｓ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｈａｔ．
Chase Marellan: torley, dunno if you are intending to just type asterisks...
Torley Linden: ｔｈａｎｋｓ ｆｏｒ ｅｍｐｈａｓｉｚｉｎｇ ｔｈａｔ， Ｐａｔｃｈ．
Evelynn Ballinger: about the swirly sparkly thingys...is there a way to turn them off or make them invisible when doing a video
Chase Marellan: but you are
Imnotgoing Sideways: Crud (>_<) This machine doesn't have my usual IME installed. (>_<)
Rinoa Rives: ｍｉｎｄ ｉｆ Ｉ ｊｏｉｎ ｙａ？
Light Sol: oops
Rasta Reinoir: Well,nice seeing you all,this is too technical 4 me tho, but I do love your vid tuts Toreley
Patchouli Woollahra rubs her head. "Torley... please refrain from using the Japanese English character set... it's very unreadable..."
Roger Seomun: torley?
Light Sol: I hate sit to click. Grrr.
Light Sol: click to sit*
Rinoa Rives: /me
Torley Linden: Evelynn, OK, i need to be sure what you're refering to. have a picture? or moment in one of my vids when it happens?
Patchouli Woollahra: it's meant more for interspersed moments between kanji.
Rinoa Rives giggles.
Ron Crimson: Pat, it was a one-time thing and it was long, long ago. I had no reason to file a possible exploit report, but this is just something I happened to think of just now. :)
Ghost Menjou: I love click to sit ,its easier.
Imnotgoing Sideways: It's not if you look 10 and its a "ahem" pose ball. (>_<)
Evelynn Ballinger: ummm...let me look ..one moment please
Jessica Kabumpo: click-to-sit should be removed .... unfortunately, a meeting I was at yesterday ..... I heard LL doesn't want to remove it
Ron Crimson: Evelynn: afaik that's not possible unless there's an option in the debug options (in the Advanced menu) that allows you to turn the swirly effect off
Ghost Menjou: I actually found an exploit in HavoK 4 ,I reported it to Sidewinder himself a long while back in the beta
Patchouli Woollahra: Jessica: there's a good reason for that...
Ron Crimson: and I don't remember seeing such an option but you could look and try to find it
Ghost Menjou: Immideate rollback
Torley Linden: "click-to-sit", you mean the click action?
Ghost Menjou: In a hour
Roger Seomun: yes
Patchouli Woollahra: click-to-sit makes sense on obvious seats.
Rasta Reinoir: bye all
Torley Linden: oh rats my keyboard is messed up! gonna relog, brb
floatythingy AO: 3091 bytes free
Ron Crimson: Evelynn: did I answer your question?
Ewan Mureaux: its funny in sandboxes
Light Sol: yeah i know, but i accidently sat on som chicks lap because i accidently clicked the seat x.x
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
Patchouli Woollahra: Jessica: then it's poor abuse of that default by the people who use it.
Connected
Torley Linden: pardon about that
Imnotgoing Sideways: LULZ! And that's a bad thing, how? (^_^)
Ron Crimson: What kind of issues Jessica?
Roger Seomun: sometimes i sit wrong way
Kara Spengler: re Torley
Roger Seomun: hey torley
Torley Linden: so, yeah, click actions are very important for making things simpler...
Phoenixa Sol is listening to torley's awesome music and trying hard not to dance to it
Torley Linden: while it may seem obvious if you already know...
Torley Linden: right-click is relatively UN-obvious
Ron Crimson finds his music just stopped. :(
Jessica Kabumpo: there's one place I go to where they have a dance ball and a floor as part of teh same object
Torley Linden: our user lab has been doing experiments in discoverable objects
Patchouli Woollahra: don't attribute problems caused by poor choice of click defaults to the defaults themselves, please.
Rhaorth Antonelli: torley is there a way to save custom light settings in the environment editor advanced sky option?
Torley Linden: it's up to content creators to use those tools wisely
Rinoa Rives: oo
Patchouli Woollahra: a knife can be used to stab people, or serve delicious sushi.
Jessica Kabumpo: I keep accidentally clicking the floor and end up dancing off somewhere
Torley Linden: Rhaorth, custom WindLight settings? you should be able to using the buttons near the top of the controls, yes.
Imnotgoing Sideways: Oh... Hi Rha!!! (^_^)y
Ron Crimson: Rhaorth: yes, simply click the 'New' button. :)
Torley Linden: New/Save/Delete
Rhaorth Antonelli: hi imnot :)
Ron Crimson: You'll be asked for a name for your current setting and they'll appear as a new default in the dropdown menu
Phoenixa Sol: hmmm Jessica, it didn't have a permission to animate your avatar box when you clicked the floor?
Tao Takashi: and when will I be able to attach WL settings to my sim? :)
Rhaorth Antonelli: well I mean save it so it is there when you log in again
Patchouli Woollahra: speaking of which, I've been meaning to check, is it possible for LL to selectively relax the gray goo barrier on a private sim with the sim owner's approval?
Rhaorth Antonelli: sorry was not clear enough on that
Jessica Kabumpo: oh, and teh mousie icon only works on the active prim, so it doesn't come up for the floor
Chase Marellan: Torley, any chance of including skinability before the RC becomes mandatory?
Ghost Menjou: Compare it it to LSL ,one cake make a lovely chair pose ball and another one can make a LOLGRIEFER cube
Jessica Kabumpo: Phoenixa: its a SIT ACTION
Imnotgoing Sideways: It's skinnable now... Just complicated. (>_<)
Patchouli Woollahra is looking at a proposal for a very special, one-sim-only avatar that would do something that basically has a high chance of crashing headlong into the ggb.
Jessica Kabumpo: sit anims don't ask to animate
Ghost Menjou: JEssica ,thats a good thing
Chase Marellan: Imnot: true. :)
Patchouli Woollahra: it would drive people nuts to get those request dialogs everytime they sat down.
Imnotgoing Sideways: Here's one attempt to skin Dazzle >>> http://www.rpgstats.com/SL/Dazzle-Retro.zip <<< It's what I'm using. (^_^)y
Ron Crimson: Jessica: because the sitting action is not an animation as such. It's just one of your avatar's states.
Patchouli Woollahra: absolutely minus in terms of usability.
Ron Crimson: I agree with Pat
Rhaorth Antonelli: I know how to make a new setting, and save it, but is there a way to override the default setting in a sim, without having to open the environment editor each time and choose your new setting
Ewan Mureaux: i use JB Krafts black skin its nice
Torley Linden: Chase: i don't know.
Patchouli Woollahra: never prompt for something with temporary effects that you agree to in principle.
Chase Marellan: Thanks, Imnot, I was going nuts looking for that. :)
Torley Linden: i've really appreciated the cool user-submitted skins.
Patchouli Woollahra: that's why dance machines that you touch to dance to have to dialog the perm request.
Imnotgoing Sideways: Ooh... Black skin? Linkie please? (o.o)
Ron Crimson: Rhaorth: not yet, but they'll implement that eventually
Ewan Mureaux: 2 secs
Torley Linden: Rhaorth: there is a way, by overwriting the DEFAULT presets but it's not recommended. but like Ron says...
Chase Marellan: Yes, really, I think it's really really important to have the capability available when it goes live.
Ghost Menjou: If you ask for a permission everytime , it would cause problems in ways.It's temporary ,If you are stuck.Tools--> stop all animations
Torley Linden: eventually WindLight environment settings will be estate-settable and shared inventory assets.
Rhaorth Antonelli: ah ok so overwriting the defaults will do it?
Patchouli Woollahra: there's no way to directly link any implicit approval of the dance machine's animations to any specific action... :(
Ewan Mureaux: immy http://kwerkslabs.com/skins/
Cammrynn Cummings: hey I was wounder i had forgot how t take the people names and tool bar off the screen I know the hud one just forgot the name one ??
Torley Linden: Rhaorth: yes, the default day cycle.
Chase Marellan: I love the look of the new client, but the muscles in my eyes dont. :(
Jessica Kabumpo: so we have to go to a sandbox and build something just to stop all anims?
Ron Crimson: LOL Chase
Ghost Menjou: I love the surreal one
Rhaorth Antonelli: awesome ty I will try that (I prefer my setting all the time so if that worked it would be perfect)
Ghost Menjou: I forgot the name
Imnotgoing Sideways: Arigatou <Thank You> (^_^)
Ron Crimson: no Jessica, why o_O
Rinoa Rives: I wanna make my UI pink
Jessica Kabumpo: the only time the Tools menu comes up is when you build something
Jessica Kabumpo: its normally not there
Patchouli Woollahra: As it should, really.
Evelynn Ballinger: I'm sorry Torley, system issues it seems..it won't let me upload the pic
Ghost Menjou: Jessie ,right click Edit
Dakota Tebaldi: I didn't mind the darker blue of the original client; but I suppose I can deal with this steel-color stuff
Ron Crimson: Torley DID make a tutorial on changing the pie menu colors and other things, as I recall... :)
Ghost Menjou: Problem solved
Torley Linden: Cammrynn, you mean in Edit menu > Preferences > General tab? hide names. :)
Torley Linden: Ron, yes i did.
Rhaorth Antonelli: I like the new client look and feel
Cammrynn Cummings: yes thank you Torley :-)
Ron Crimson: Jessica: just pop up the Edit window by pressing CTRL-3. :)
Torley Linden: we're experiencing grid issues right now, http://status.secondlifegrid.net has updates.
Felix Greyskin: Good evening everyone! =)
Torley Linden: i noticed my postcard failed t o send too. ugh.
Torley Linden: heya Felix!
Torley Linden: welcome!
Torley Linden: hang tight, we're in this together. :)
Chase Marellan: Hi, Felix
Ron Crimson: *GASP* No! Not GRID ISSUES!
Patchouli Woollahra: Save to Disk, post later.
Ron Crimson: ~*~ FAINTS ~*~
Torley Linden: Patch: yup. :)
Ron Crimson: ~*~ OMG ~*~
Ghost Menjou: Torley ,make the grib monkeys fix it and I'll give you cake :)
Jessica Kabumpo: ah, okies. still, non-obvious
Ghost Menjou: grid*
Kara Spengler: yeah, just saw I could not load a profile, thanks Torley
Ghost Menjou: I4ll give you cake anyways
Torley Linden: *nod*
Patchouli Woollahra: good lord, Ron, sounds like you need a Grid Protection Box from Ordinal Malaprop's.
Rhaorth Antonelli: oh and kudos to the new click the name in the chat window to open a profile window!
Patchouli Woollahra: Oh yeah...
Ron Crimson: lol Pat
Imnotgoing Sideways: Cake? You rang? (^_^)
Rinoa Rives: rofl
Chase Marellan: Yes, very much so, Rhaorth!
Torley Linden: despite the suckiness of problems like that, i've duly appreciated when fun creations are made to point out cultural aspects/flaws in Second Life.
Torley Linden: like the MISSING IMAGE deliberate t-shirt.
Evelynn Ballinger: for instance, if I drop something into your inventory, I see the little fairy lights swirl around for a few seconds...or if I use a gesture, it will emit he swirly lights like from the fingertips
Chase Marellan: And I hear that Babble Loop capabilites were included, though I havent' beena be to see it yet
Imnotgoing Sideways <- cultural flaw. (^_^)y
Rhaorth Antonelli: now just do soemthing with the friends list hehe
Ron Crimson grins, yeah, I remember that shirt
Patchouli Woollahra: or the flying penis that flewthrough Gary Kasparov's RL political meeting.
Ghost Menjou: I still have the old hippoes gadjet
Roger Seomun: thanks torley
Ghost Menjou: Hahahaha.
Ghost Menjou: oh
Rinoa Rives: ROFL
Patchouli Woollahra: seriously, what was up with that?
Felix Greyskin: Have you ever thought of wearing a shirt with the print "missing image" in RL? %-)
Rinoa Rives laughs.
Ron Crimson: Evelynn: just wondering, why do you want to get rid of that swirl?
Chase Marellan: Felix: I love that idea. :)
Dakota Tebaldi: I would buy such a shirt in RL
Ghost Menjou: Next halloween ,I4m going as Ruth.
Ron Crimson: Felix... I once had the idea of a T-shirt saying "Get a life" in the front and then sporting the SL logo in the back. :)
Rinoa Rives: XD
Tao Takashi: Ruth in RL? :)
Phoenixa Sol: ooh Evenlynn, you can get the ADVANCED menu up, (CTRL ALT D) and rendering/types turn off particles
Evelynn Ballinger: when I'm making a video of a concert, or something along those lines, they show up in the video
Evelynn Ballinger: doesn't look to professional in my humble opinion
Felix Greyskin: Damn... shouted out a product idea! ^^
Chase Marellan: I'm afraid I need to go. :(
Ron Crimson: Well, but it's part of SL, why turn it off? :)
Evelynn Ballinger: ahhh ok.
Chase Marellan: It was very nice seeing everybody!
Ghost Menjou: RC7 killed ruth.
Cammrynn Cummings: bye chase
Chase Marellan: bye!
Torley Linden: hahahaha
Patchouli Woollahra: Ghost: it was confusing the newer residents.
Rinoa Rives: I sure hope so..
Torley Linden: damn ruth,
Ghost Menjou: Which I still use btw.Just changed the channel.
Torley Linden: ruth was such a curse on our abominations
Ghost Menjou: Indeed
Ron Crimson: Bye Chase!
Torley Linden: *shakes appendages*
Phoenixa Sol: am I still ruthed?
Torley Linden: bye Chase!
Patchouli Woollahra: the average newcomer these days has no idea what causes ruth and just panics... and possibly logs out.
Dakota Tebaldi: No more Ruth? I find that hard to believe...
Felix Greyskin: Bye Chase. Stay happy!
Imnotgoing Sideways: Okies... My lunch break is ending, and I'm sure my IT guy is wondering why my activity light is maxed out.... Bai Bai!! (^_^)y
Tao Takashi: I wonder why a new RC has a new feature though
Ghost Menjou: Ruth and hippoes ,both caused confusion
Rhaorth Antonelli: didn't phillip have a missing image tshirt at last years convention?
Phoenixa Sol: I was when I logged in and this would be the one place I'd actually go looking ike that.
Tao Takashi: Rhaorth: yes
Torley Linden: (hippos) were fun but yes, confusing.
Ewan Mureaux: bye immy
Ron Crimson: Yeah, he did
Rinoa Rives: bye immy
Patchouli Woollahra: a lot of SL oddities from the early days are a cause of confusion rather than mirth in newer residents :(
Rhaorth Antonelli: thought so
Evelynn Ballinger: great..ty soooooo much
Torley Linden: we could of course have a museum to share such cultural oddities... there's somewhat of that on the I-World island i think...
Chase Marellan: Oh, the irony. I would go, but I can't TP out. :)
Rhaorth Antonelli: I made a 50s tshirt when we were having those issues with the website LOL
Ron Crimson: lol Chase
Evelynn Ballinger: now...what if someone else is doing it...will their particles show up?
Ghost Menjou: [12:31] hippos!
Chase Marellan: So please excuse me if I don't respond, but I have another meeting to attend on Skype, so I'll just sit here and be quiet. :)
Cammrynn Cummings: thanks for the question answer torely was a plesure to see you as always :-) thank you and see you around i am off to mentor
Ron Crimson: Imagine this.... stuck in a sim with Torley himself. ;)
Torley Linden: :)
Torley Linden: s'okay!
Rhaorth Antonelli: 503 rather*
Torley Linden: have a good one Cammrynn!
Torley Linden: hahaha Ron
Patchouli Woollahra: There's also the Mental Mentors museum... but that's currently restricted to only Second Life Mentors :(
Jessica Kabumpo: grrr
Torley Linden: it sounds so good, doesn't it? ;)
Cammrynn Cummings: you to Torely hugs as she poofs
Patchouli Woollahra: we have some seriously blasphemous jokes in there.
Ron Crimson: Does it? Hmm. ^_^
Torley Linden: what manner of blasphemy be we talkin' about, arrr?
Ghost Menjou: I have the SL map from 2003 sitting in my inventory
Patchouli Woollahra: like Michi Lumin stabbing a passing Heartless bunny with a wing.
Chase Marellan: hehehehe.... and apparently I'm actually under the floor. Now THAT's funny.
Felix Greyskin: In the RC7 the names in the chat should be interactive. What would be the expected behaviour if you click on it?
Ghost Menjou: PRofile
Torley Linden: Felix, i get a profile
Rhaorth Antonelli: it will open the profile
Dakota Tebaldi: Wow, the greeter just noticed me after some 12 minutes....
Rhaorth Antonelli: as do I torley
Torley Linden: i haven't gone over the RC7 changelist closely enough yet...
Ron Crimson: Hey, someone should write an arcade game called GRID INVADERS... and instead of space ships you have to shoot down tons of Super Mario Bros. sprites
Phoenixa Sol: hmm, I'm having an intermittant issue ever since the required update...sometimes my entire viwer goes blank white, (and acts like it's going to crash)
Patchouli Woollahra: there's also a couple of classics, like the photo I took of Patchey Woolley while she was sleeping... and being visted by her fair godhippofish.
Torley Linden: has anyone tried out the lipsync feature in RC7?
Patchouli Woollahra: fairy*
Torley Linden: hahha Ron, i'd love that.
Felix Greyskin: Is their a known issue with the Linux client?
Jaymes Kjeller is struggling with RC7, as it just crashes for some reason.
Ron Crimson: :) me too
Ewan Mureaux: lipssync is god
Dakota Tebaldi: What lipsync feature?
Ghost Menjou: I have the RC7 but for some its having issues with the watchdog
Patchouli Woollahra: Not yet, Torley... is this something I really want to use, and does it work if I don't say anything?
Rinoa Rives: I struggle to log in too
Jessica Kabumpo: linux client? who does that actually work for, if at all?
Ghost Menjou: The Lindens have asked for a downgrade
Rhaorth Antonelli: what is it torley?
Ewan Mureaux: if you make noise it works
Torley Linden: Patch: i can't make that decision for you!
Torley Linden: apparently on voicechat your lips can move...
Ewan Mureaux: yup its much fun
Torley Linden: heard about it from Ramzi (who posted about RC7 on the blog) but haven't done it myself...
Rhaorth Antonelli: oh time to try then LOL
Ghost Menjou: I have fixed the watchdog for me
Torley Linden: gosh, RC7 sounds like a scifi show.
Ewan Mureaux: better than the gesture types that were sold
Felix Greyskin: Wow, worked... after multiple clicks. ^^
Tao Takashi: I really wonder how that's going to stabilize if you put al those new features in ;-)
Jessica Kabumpo: oh, I noticed an issue with RC7 last night
Jessica Kabumpo: if a TP fails, you get forcefully logged out
Ghost Menjou: Actually RC7 runs better for me
Patchouli Woollahra: News flash, virtual worlds never will stabilise :D
Jessica Kabumpo: happened to me 3 times last night
Ewan Mureaux: RC7 has been a whole lot nicer than RC6 just the whole buildings dissapearing sometimes is still there
Ron Crimson: Oh! Torley! Will the available set of facial animations ever be improved and/or expanded? As it is now, many of the facial expressions seem too exaggerated and very unrealistic compared to the normal, "ho-hum" everyday face
Patchouli Woollahra: you get all sorts of new wrinkles.
Patchouli Woollahra: those wrinkles will be in all spots, not just the comfy ones.
Patchouli Woollahra: it's like a leather sofa.
Torley Linden: Ron, that's been wished for, for years. still no hard answer on that... we did have a project related to that in 2006 for Avatar Puppeteering.
Patchouli Woollahra: ... ... ...
Torley Linden: but it wasn't done, in favor of more stability-oriented projects.
Patchouli Woollahra: with flying penises flying around them.
Rinoa Rives: I'm having a bit of a struggle with the new search system
Torley Linden: i know what you mean by "exaggerated" tho...
Felix Greyskin: Seems like it reacts on double clicks.
Ewan Mureaux: who wants stability? give me shinies
Squirrel Wood: lipsync makes no sense for me...
Ron Crimson: And if facial gestures are indeed improved, will this go hand-in-hand with a better default avatar mesh, or ..... Ah, I see.
Ghost Menjou: Some Mac users have issues with the new search.
Jessica Kabumpo: stability would be freaking awesome!
Roger Seomun: yeah
Roger Seomun: i agree
Ron Crimson: I guess it'll be like Havok 4, then - just when nobody expects it anymore, suddenly there it is. :)
Ewan Mureaux: stability is for geeks etc
Torley Linden: it's always been a challenge with Second Life to have such a diverse community...
Ewan Mureaux: lol
Ghost Menjou: SL is pretty stable seeing how complex it is
Tao Takashi: I will relog with RC7 now to check that lipsync stuff
Tao Takashi: brb
Rhaorth Antonelli: is anyone speaking on voice?
CeeJay Tigerpaw: If there is no work on stability, at least give us a facial gesture appropriate for crashes or permanent inventory loss.
Ron Crimson: I agree with Ghost
Patchouli Woollahra: It's like the movie Speed.
Ewan Mureaux: both viewers need to be enabled
Torley Linden: CeeJay: OH THE HORROR.
Ron Crimson: Ceejay: already exists. :) the angry face. :)
Ghost Menjou: Secondlife is one (or the most) of the complex systems on earth
CeeJay Tigerpaw: Not angry enough ...
Ghost Menjou: In servers that is
Patchouli Woollahra: except Keanu Reeves is a dood with a extremely spiky hairdo and Pink Floyd T-shirt, Sandra Bullock is a decade or two older and a redhead....
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Patchouli Woollahra: and teh grid will explodz if it goes under 50k
Ron Crimson: I actually have a facial gesture HUD that lets me combine more than one gesture to make even more faces. Believe me, I can get QUITE angry lol
Rhaorth Antonelli: hmmm I seem to have no sounds at all and yes I checked to see if my headset was plugged in LOL
Torley Linden: Ron, i've tried one of those by YadNi, and you can totally get a movie-monster freakout with that. o.O
Jessica Kabumpo: when is SL going to support horizontal scrolling?
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm a furry, Ron. I sacrificed that aspect in part for better quality silly :D
Ron Crimson: Ditto, Torley :) ditto!
Torley Linden: horizontal scrolling like Super Mario Bros. or something else!?
Patchouli Woollahra: The Luskwood Fennec, in particular, does some insane emotes even without a mouth involved.
Ron Crimson: Do you mean moving your camera sideways in a straight-line fashion?
Evelynn Ballinger: well r/l bellows unfortunately...thank so much Torley and the rest of you ...have a great day
Jessica Kabumpo: no, like when I try to scroll horizontally, SL still goes vertical
Ghost Menjou: I haven't seen the fennec in action yet
Torley Linden: mhmmm t'care!
Lisa Lowe: using the mouse, Jessica?
Ghost Menjou: The Luskwood skunk has facial expressions
Jessica Kabumpo: yar
Patchouli Woollahra: Oh, gimme a moment, I ahve one I normally use when I want to be uber serious as a Mentor.
Ron Crimson: Jessica: did you try holding down CTRL, ALT, SHIFT all together and using the cursor keys?
Jessica Kabumpo: huh?
Roger Seomun: oh
Roger Seomun: thanks
Torley Linden: Jessica, are you referring to camera controls?
Jessica Kabumpo: what does that have to do with horizontal scrolling?
Lisa Lowe: and sl scrolls vertical then? something not good there then....
Torley Linden: as in View menu > Camera Controls to move the camera... horizontally?
Patchouli Woollahra: Ghost... yes, but it isn't a patch compared to the fennec.
Ron Crimson: Try that... it lets you move the camera up, down and sideways. I.e. horizontal scrolling.
Jessica Kabumpo: I'm not talking about camera controls.
Torley Linden: please be more specific, Jessica.
Ghost Menjou: Also UPS didn't deliver my spacenavigator today :(
Ron Crimson: Then explain what you mean o_O
Patchouli Woollahra: Horizontal scrolling is NOT something that modern day computers can do well yet :(
Patchouli Woollahra: As a web designer, horizontal scrolling is often considered a failure to plan a design properly.
Jessica Kabumpo: I'm talking about scrolling. I can scroll vertically or horizontally. SL is the only app that won't scroll horizontally.
Ron Crimson: Do you maybe mean TEXT scrolling?
Torley Linden: *this is like charades*
Patchouli Woollahra: How would you make it work across all platforms?
Lisa Lowe: ...i have trouble reading all the chatbubbles in here.....:(
Ghost Menjou: USe the chat history?
Roger Seomun: yeah
Ron Crimson: ah.... as in text in windows? I think I get it now
Torley Linden: Lisa, you can change from bubble chat to the normal line chat console. or what Ghost said.
Ron Crimson: Lisa: open the chat history. :)
Rinoa Rives: I'm strugling with that too personally
Jessica Kabumpo: like, in the Inventory window, I have a horizontal scroll bar, I push the scroll wheel to the right, and it scrolls down, not right
Lisa Lowe: I know....just prefer bubbles
Roger Seomun: yes
Torley Linden: Jessica, i've heard that before on JIRA.
Ewan Mureaux: i didnt think people used them
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: horizontal scroll wheels aren't as supported/common as vertical ones.
Torley Linden: sometimes they get called "tilt wheels".
Ron Crimson: Jessica: ah.... so that's an input device issue. I guess four-way scroll wheels on mice aren't recognized in SL
Patchouli Woollahra: What Torl said.
Ron Crimson: yeah. Tilt wheels, right
Ghost Menjou: ah tilt wheels
Roger Seomun: ah
Phoenixa Sol: did Icrash?
Squirrel Wood: Yes. you did not.
Keumjoo Ahn whispers: test test one two one two
Jaymes Kjeller: Hmmm, I might plan on getting a SpaceNavigator...
Ron Crimson: One stopgap solution would be to simply drag the inventory window itself wide open...
Torley Linden: SpaceNavigator is a lot of fun.
Torley Linden: i like how cheap these kind of devices are getting.
Jessica Kabumpo: Torley - yes it is
Roger Seomun: i agree
Ghost Menjou: Torely ,your videos convinced me of buying one.Now UPS isn't delivering mine
Jessica Kabumpo: unfortunately, my FR dies when I connect it
Ghost Menjou: It was supposed to be delivered yesterday
Ghost Menjou: :P
Torley Linden: Ghost: sorry to hear that, have you been watching your tracking #? :\
Jessica Kabumpo: if I disconnect my SN, my FR tripples :(
Ghost Menjou: Yes
Squirrel Wood navigates trees. not space. so has no need for space navigators :p
Ron Crimson must admit he's ignorant toward this SpaceNavigator thing
Ghost Menjou: I called them
Ron Crimson: LOL Squirrel
Ghost Menjou: They put it on the wrong service first
Ghost Menjou: Wrong truck actually
Ron Crimson: That sucks, Ghost. :(
Ghost Menjou: They were supposed to do a retry today but that seems to have failed
Torley Linden: http://3dconnexion.com/ <-- SN info
Ghost Menjou: www.spacenavigator.com also exists
Phoenixa Sol: i wish some scripting genius would make one that we use our arrow keys R and L to take steps.
Squirrel Wood: BUG REPORT!
Squirrel Wood: Tools > Bug Reporting..
Squirrel Wood: http://jira.secondlife.com
Jessica Kabumpo: buy it from TigerDirect, its $45 there
Patchouli Woollahra: actually, depending on your real life hobbies or skills, you may be able to get a spacenavigator for cheaper.
Ghost Menjou salutes.
Patchouli Woollahra: Smith Micro, for instance, has bundled spacenavigator with its Poser program before.
Ewan Mureaux: brb
Ron Crimson takes a stand
Jessica Kabumpo: it seems the core-switching freeze doesn't last for 20+ seconds anymore with RC7
Squirrel Wood: Torley, clicking a name in rc7 brings up that persons profile. But why is there an inconsistency in that usage when it comes to your own chat? Why does clicking on "You:" not open your own profile ?
Jessica Kabumpo: but it still happens ¬.¬
Ghost Menjou: As long as I get my SN I4m happy :).It will prove itself handy in PS as well
Kara Spengler: because hopefully you know who you are? :)
Ghost Menjou: Actually thats meant to be
Ron Crimson: Squirrel: because there's no avatar named "You" :) besides, you can always rightclick yourself, so there wouldn't be any need for this...
Jessica Kabumpo: build needs to be updated for the SN
Patchouli Woollahra: can we not overcomplicate matters? thanks.
Jessica Kabumpo: still can't size an object using it
Ron Crimson: That's my guess, anyway
Squirrel Wood: pfft :p
Jessica Kabumpo: only move and rorate
Jessica Kabumpo: *rotate
Ron Crimson: Sowwy :) I tend to think practically
Ghost Menjou: But RC is having problems with the new threadwatcher and L$ buying and the lindens are reverting everyone back to RC6
Kooky Jetaime bites his lips re rc7
Ghost Menjou: I was like forget that ,I'm staying RC7.
Ghost Menjou: Anyways the watcher can be disavled
Ghost Menjou: disabled*
Rinoa Rives: they're flipping us back to rc6?
Ewan Mureaux: back
Ron Crimson: I used RC6 for a while and loved it... one feature I'm particularly happy to see back again is the ability to *stretch* image windows and change their aspect ratio. I'd missed that for a long time
Ghost Menjou: Oh and torley ,I love your piano music
Patchouli Woollahra: hehehe...
Ghost Menjou: Rinoa ,yes
Felix Greyskin: And I love your color preference. ^^
Patchouli Woollahra: btw, Torley, have you heard of Kiriko Bushi before?
Rinoa Rives: I never got that message
Torley Linden: Ron, i didn't know that was back in.
Torley Linden: cool...
Torley Linden: thanks Ghost!
Torley Linden: no i haven't, Patch...
Torley Linden: is this something i'll be so thankful to google? :)
Ron Crimson: Me neither, found out accidentally. God, I hope they don't take it out again. :)
Patchouli Woollahra: I meant, Koriko Bushi. sorry.
Torley Linden: that was somewhat of a tricky one...
Jessica Kabumpo: why would they want to drop us all back to RC6?
Felix Greyskin: Who is that?
Patchouli Woollahra: gaah!
Ghost Menjou: Jessica,theardwatcher and lindens bselling/buying
Ghost Menjou: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/05/21/new-release-candidate-viewer-120-rc7-available/
Patchouli Woollahra: kokiriko bushi.
Jessica Kabumpo: I had to power cycle my machine because RC6 was so horrid at freezing AND TAKING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WITH IT
Torley Linden: what a difficult name, Patch. ;)
Kooky Jetaime: Torley, From A media question, I have a huge question that never made sense.
Patchouli Woollahra: it's a music video with lots of dancing eyehands.
Ghost Menjou: thread*
Torley Linden: ok Kooky :) what's up?
Patchouli Woollahra: a dancing skeleton.
Patchouli Woollahra: and lots of naked ladies with eyeball heads.
Patchouli Woollahra: nothing tasteless.
Patchouli Woollahra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SoZzlgQzHM
Ron Crimson: R-right, Pat......
Torley Linden: *bookmarks it to watch later*
Torley Linden: hahaha
Jessica Kabumpo: I'd rather not use SL if I have to go back to RC6 with the constant power cycling of my machine.
Torley Linden: "naked ladies with eyeball heads" sounds like something out of Second Life!
Ron Crimson: Jessica: sounds like a hardware problem o_O
Kara Spengler: well, I need to log off so I can go catch my train home, good to finally meet you Torley
Ewan Mureaux: always try nicholaz ;-)
Kooky Jetaime: If all textures had to be square, based on a power of two, Why did LL insist on putting different aspect ratios everywhere for graphics, where we had no way to correct them for distortions? In your profile there is a square for First Life, a 5:4 apparently for About, and then a wider version for Picks/Classifieds
Torley Linden: good to see you inworld too Kara, have a safe trip home...
Jessica Kabumpo: Ron: its SL, not hardware
Torley Linden: thanks for the comments on my blog too!
Jessica Kabumpo: there's a JIRA on it
Torley Linden: Kooky, yes, that makes not much sense! James Linden (one of the most senior Lindens) and i talked about this awhile ago...
Patchouli Woollahra: by default, SL still runs best on single-core machines, even though more and more computers have at least two cores for real.
Torley Linden: that eventually, maybe we'd like to make it so all those are powers of2.
Patchouli Woollahra: and no, your hyperthreading is NOT two cores.
Kara Spengler: oops, sorry you lost the seat Jessica
Ghost Menjou: Torley ,Maybe a small ID.There should be a link in very post about the RC to the Viewerskins page.People are still forgetting about the skins
Ron Crimson: I've used SL for so long, including the RCs... and never, not ONCE, had an SL crash take down Windows with it
Torley Linden: Ghost, i'll pass that onto our RC folks...
Kooky Jetaime: It seems like it would take 2 minutes per image to make them square.
Torley Linden: thanks...
Patchouli Woollahra: by comparison, a EVE Online Crash once forced me to reformat and reinstall windows.
Kooky Jetaime: What about expanding into non-square images?
Patchouli Woollahra: now THAT, my friends, is the epitome of poor dev coding.
Kara Spengler: ack ... teleport crash *(^)*(&*(&()&(()
Patchouli Woollahra: Kooky: the powers of two thing with SL images is a necessity in realtime graphics.
Ghost Menjou: I see a lot of people going like I4m not using the RC because of dazzle blah blah.I ussually tell them to get the Retro skin.
Ron Crimson: yikes, Pat. That's why I use harddrive imaging software... Reinstalling Windows, ugh o_O
Torley Linden: eventually a lot of the concerns today will be moot/forgotten about.
Jessica Kabumpo: ...*meow*
Lisa Lowe: My machine rarely crashed totally. Only Sl crashes regularly.
Kooky Jetaime: Patch oh?
Torley Linden: i really like my harddrive imaging software, i use Acronis TrueImage for backups.
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - Don't say that..
Lisa Lowe: Maybe fix your machine first, eh?
Patchouli Woollahra: if you have even one byte more than the maximum a certain number of bits will hold, you're exponentially increasing the space that image will need :(
Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, EVE once had a problem with one of their updates, which caused the boot.ini file of windows to be deleted due to a mixup in the code.
Ron Crimson: Torley... Me too! :D
Kooky Jetaime: Torley - cuz you just made it so noone will forget it
Ron Crimson: Hoooooo!
Patchouli Woollahra: what idiot uses a reserved system filename for its own files?
Patchouli Woollahra: CCP, apparently.
Ghost Menjou: oh wow ,I can bet a lot of people lost believe in EVE because of that
Kooky Jetaime: I do Patchouli :)
Jaymes Kjeller: As a result, people wern't too happy about it.
Patchouli Woollahra: I know. I resigned.
Kooky Jetaime: Oh ya... the boot.ini issue..that was...a hoot
Kooky Jetaime: That shows right there, that there was NO Q/A using live machines
Ghost Menjou: Actually my NOD32 antivirus quarantined my Comodo firewall.
Ron Crimson: They named a file boot.ini? Let me guess, it got placed in the root of C:\, too...
Ron Crimson: lol
Felix Greyskin: Does anyone of you has the following problem too? I am running SL in window mode and when it loses the focus the FPS drop down (normal behaviour), but when the the window gets back the focus the FPS stay down. :-/
Ron Crimson: Felix: that's actually a feature.
Felix Greyskin: I have to relog to get back normal FPS.
Ron Crimson: SL reduces CPU usage by dropping the frame rate if it's not the active window
Jessica Kabumpo: here's what I'm talking about with having to hold the power button for ten seconds: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6912
Keumjoo Ahn has to run and waves.
Ron Crimson: Um, OK, that's not what it should do, then....
Torley Linden: i heard about that EVE online thing too
Torley Linden: take care Keumjoo!
Felix Greyskin: But the problem is that the FPS don't rise again.
Ron Crimson: Let me read that link, Jessica...
Ron Crimson: Felix: got you on that. But I have no idea why that happens to you o_O
Keumjoo Ahn shouts: lol sl doesnt let me tp :P
Jessica Kabumpo: I think it happens on all multicore Macs
Lisa Lowe: Felix...maybe add that to the Jira as a bug?
Jessica Kabumpo: Cougar is an iMac
Jaymes Kjeller: Yeah, it was everywhere due to the potential severity of the mistake
Felix Greyskin: Okay, i will do that.
Patchouli Woollahra wonders if LL would relax the graygoo barrier on one single sim if the private sim owner requested it.
Ron Crimson: Oh, this is on a Mac.... sorry, I thought it was a Windows thing
Kooky Jetaime: Probably not Patchouli
Squirrel Wood shouts: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/
Lisa Lowe: I run a window also every now and then and with me the fps returns just fine.
Kooky Jetaime: Ok, I'm running to Everett's.
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm working on initial design for a metaversal music project where the avatar will be rezzing a lot of sculpture around as the music plays.
Torley Linden: thanks Squirrel!
Ron Crimson: I run SL *only* in a maximized window, actrually. Never a problem with FPS...
Torley Linden: that sounds like it'd be pretty dynamic and cool, Patch.
Kooky Jetaime: I've only hit the grey goo fence onece
Felix Greyskin: It seems that I am the only one with that problem.
Kooky Jetaime: er once
Squirrel Wood: You can rez about 200 objects as fast as possible before the fence hits
Patchouli Woollahra: we're talking about something that makes Parsec look like Char Linden's office.
Patchouli Woollahra: 200 prims?
Lisa Lowe: It may be machine specific, felix
Ron Crimson: Felix: what videocard/which drivers?
Squirrel Wood: So if you have short delays between rezzing your objects you should be fine
Patchouli Woollahra: because I'm calculating, and I think we might exceed that.
Jessica Kabumpo: I get better framerates in fullscreen, but then SL won't drop focus so I can't use the apps on my second display
Roger Seomun: torkey - nice to meet you
Patchouli Woollahra: did I mention some of those sculptures will be animating?
Roger Seomun: i will be here one day
Squirrel Wood: multiple rezzer scripts may help as well
Felix Greyskin: It's an Dell XPS M1330 Notebook with GeForce 8400M GS and the latest Nvidia drivers.
Patchouli Woollahra: oh, Dell.
Jessica Kabumpo heads off ot the next OH
Squirrel Wood: Dull ^^
Jessica Kabumpo waves her paw
Ron Crimson: Can't help you then, Felix o_O
Patchouli Woollahra: Dell's supposedly working with LL to make its computers more SL friendly.
Patchouli Woollahra: but I haven't seen anything come out of it.
Roger Seomun: good bye all
Kooky Jetaime: Patchouli - just rez all the objects ahead of time, and program them
Roger Seomun: torley
Kooky Jetaime: to change shape,e tc
Felix Greyskin: I am running Ubuntu 8.04
Ron Crimson built his two computers himself from scratch
Roger Seomun: thanks for wonderful things
Patchouli Woollahra: hrm... that's a thought...
Ron Crimson: Ubuntu is cool. :)
Torley Linden: yes? you're very welcome, Roger. :)
Torley Linden: i'll be here for a few more minutes.
Patchouli Woollahra: the avatar is rezzing copies of itself in prim form...
Felix Greyskin: Oh sorry, RL is calling. ^^
Ron Crimson: TC Felix ^_^
Ewan Mureaux: torley if you get a chance to check myspace i have no friends and would love if you accepted :D
Patchouli Woollahra: I'd thought about temprez... but now that you mention it, maybe I should just fade it to total transparency and hide them under the floorboards...
Kooky Jetaime: Patchouli - Rez, and make them 100% alpha, fill in textures afterwords
Kooky Jetaime: Or make them micro-prim and size them up on demand
Felix Greyskin: Have a great day all together and keep your happiness! :-)
Kooky Jetaime: two ideas
Kooky Jetaime: ok, I'm off
Torley Linden: Ewan, what's the URL? :) i'll be checking my friends requests on there this weekend
Patchouli Woollahra: P.S. what is Trevor Linden doing playing hockey?
Torley Linden: take care Kooky!
Torley Linden: Trevor Linden!?
Patchouli Woollahra: http://www.masey.com.au/blog/index.php/2008/04/trevor-lindens-final-skate/
Rinoa Rives: oo?
Ron Crimson: o_O
Ron Crimson notices that website is located in Austria
Ron Crimson: er... Australia
Rinoa Rives: australia
Guen Shan: *mews*
Ron Crimson: sowwy, Austria is .at I just remembered :)
Patchouli Woollahra: Does Arnold Schwarzenegger sound like he comes from Australia!?
Ron Crimson: OK, OK. Don't rub it in. ;)
Torley Linden: lol
Torley Linden: I AM THE GUBERNATOR
Torley Linden: lol
Lisa Lowe: lol
Torley Linden: i like how he says GOOOBERNATORRRIAL
Rinoa Rives: having lived there... he really could have
Ron Crimson: lol
Patchouli Woollahra wonders how many LL people know of Trevor Linden xD
Ron Crimson actually doesn't know who Trevor is
Patchouli Woollahra: This could be the new Mankirk's Wife.
Guen Shan: hi everybody *mews*
Patchouli Woollahra: "And oh, btw, could you contact Trevor Linden later today and ask him for those updates?" "Sure"...
Ron Crimson: Hola Guen, encantado!
Ron Crimson: Torley?
Patchouli Woollahra: <5 hours later> "I can't seem to find Trevor Linden, Are you absolutely sure he hasn't changed his name or something?" "Pfft... no... lolz."
Lisa Lowe: whats up with this Trevor?
Ron Crimson: I gotta question
Patchouli Woollahra: he's a Linden who's not a Linden.
Guen Shan: pleased to meet you, Ron ^^
Lisa Lowe: how he do that?
Ron Crimson smiles cheerfully at Guen
Patchouli Woollahra: Apparently Linden is a family name too.
Ewan Mureaux: and a tree
Torley Linden: there's so many new Lindens...
Chase Marellan: Funny thing about that. :)
Lisa Lowe: sounds more like a mistake then....
Ron Crimson: Torley.... What ARE you?
Ron Crimson: I keep trying to figure it out...
Patchouli Woollahra: He's the Lochness watermelon monster.
Ewan Mureaux: http://atom.chem.wwu.edu/sacahill/cam_news_0506/Paris_Fabian_May_2006-161.jpg
Torley Linden: Ron, hmmm ogopogo or loch ness sort of monster i think :)
Ron Crimson: Yeah? He looks like a cross between a dolphin and a cricket to me. :)
Torley Linden: the proper term is "hippogriff"
Patchouli Woollahra: He once used that avatar for an unofficial SL advertisement with his wife.
Rinoa Rives giggles.
Ron Crimson: Hippogriff. Ah. :)
Torley Linden: Ron, or actually, pardon, it's "pillowgryff" which is even some softer variant...
Ewan Mureaux: dunno torley i'm an expert in such matters, lok nessie to me
Ron Crimson: Now that sounds very Harry Potter right there. :)
Torley Linden: those Grendel's Children folks are sure creative.
Ewan Mureaux sticks on the kilt to prove expertise in that area
Patchouli Woollahra: eh...
Guen Shan: *giggles*
Torley Linden: ;)
Ron Crimson notes with interest that a large percentage of Torley's fan base appears to be cute-as-hell neko girls
Guen Shan purrs
Ash Meersand: Oh, the grid's back
Patchouli Woollahra: i'd be just as creative if the system wasn't screwing up my attachments.
Torley Linden: ahhhh it's been good being with you despite the griddle problems... but i hope for better, brighter days
Torley Linden: i need to go for now, and i'll keep replying to questions @ http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/05/22/ask-torley-video-tutorials-resident-education/ until it's full (if you haven't seen that yet)
SLEXCHANGEDTB Nightfire: Hello Torley
Torley Linden: Ash, if you want to ask questions on that thread, that's cool too
CeeJay Tigerpaw: CUL Torley...
Torley Linden: or email me, torley at lindenlab dot com ...
Ash Meersand: If I gave you a gift here, how long would it take for you to receive it?
Ash Meersand: Thanks, Torley
Ewan Mureaux: see ya torlmeister
Harleen Gretzky: take care Torley :)
Torley Linden: may take me awhile to reply as i get so much email, butttt i'll try
Jaymes Kjeller: See you later Torley!
Torley Linden: or rather, do my best :)
Torley Linden: Ash, should be near-instantaneous if things are working right :)
Torley Linden: ta for now, take care all! :)
