User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2008-11-13

[2008/11/13 12:00] Torley Linden: wow Yoa, that's an awesome avatar
[2008/11/13 12:00] Yoa Ogee: ㋡
[2008/11/13 12:00] Torley Linden: i like how the balloons are holding you up :D
[2008/11/13 12:00] Yoa Ogee: thank you
[2008/11/13 12:00] Yoa Ogee: hihi
[2008/11/13 12:00] Yoa Ogee: and .. hi torley
[2008/11/13 12:01] Yoa Ogee: nice to meet you
[2008/11/13 12:01] Torley Linden: nice to meet you! i was admiring the fuzzy avatar you gave me before
[2008/11/13 12:01] Yoa Ogee: ㋡ i love to hear that
[2008/11/13 12:01] Torley Linden shouts: hey Simon and andsim :)
[2008/11/13 12:01] Torley Linden: hiya Buterfly!
[2008/11/13 12:01] Torley Linden: WATERMELON WOLF
[2008/11/13 12:01] Torley Linden: my eyes! :D
[2008/11/13 12:01] Buterfly Nightfire: ^^
[2008/11/13 12:02] Simon Kline: hi Torley! was just admiring the rainbow! very cool!
[2008/11/13 12:02] Torley Linden: really really cool
[2008/11/13 12:02] Buterfly Nightfire: how are you today? :D
[2008/11/13 12:02] Torley Linden: thanks Simon, i like sort of the cartoony touches and whatnot
[2008/11/13 12:02] Torley Linden: ;)
[2008/11/13 12:02] andsim Hammerer shouts: where r u torley
[2008/11/13 12:03] Torley Linden shouts: oh not too far andsmin
[2008/11/13 12:03] Torley Linden shouts: andsim sorry :)
[2008/11/13 12:03] Torley Linden shouts: to the southeast
[2008/11/13 12:03] Torley Linden: Yoa, can people ride you?
[2008/11/13 12:03] Torley Linden: that would be quite a trippy ride, too... heh heh heheheh
[2008/11/13 12:04] Yoa Ogee: uhhh, not so far....
[2008/11/13 12:04] Yoa Ogee: hihi
[2008/11/13 12:04] Yoa Ogee: yes
[2008/11/13 12:04] andsim Hammerer: hhi
[2008/11/13 12:04] Yoa Ogee: i am not so good with scripting, so... maybe one day...
[2008/11/13 12:04] andsim Hammerer: i think i am stuck
[2008/11/13 12:04] Crap Mariner salutes
[2008/11/13 12:05] Torley Linden: *salutes back*
[2008/11/13 12:05] Torley Linden: hey Alteran, Infinimad :)
[2008/11/13 12:05] Yoa Ogee: this island is great, fantsatic wok, I love it
[2008/11/13 12:05] Alteran Zessinthal: hey
[2008/11/13 12:05] Torley Linden: okay lol we're standing, we can sit down... or you don't have to. this is all about being creative
[2008/11/13 12:05] Infinomad Starbrook: heyo!
[2008/11/13 12:05] Torley Linden: maybe sitting is passe for some, i understand that
[2008/11/13 12:05] Yoa Ogee: ㋡
[2008/11/13 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: howdy gang
[2008/11/13 12:06] Crap Mariner: yo diz
[2008/11/13 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: hi
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: howdddy Dizzy!
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: so what is new and exciting in each & everyone's lives!
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: i have a new set of QUICKTIPS which are going up tonight, prolly...
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: some old classics and some of the new 1.21 features
[2008/11/13 12:07] Simon Kline: oh fantastic! Love those!
[2008/11/13 12:07] Crap Mariner: cool
[2008/11/13 12:07] Buterfly Nightfire: not too much going with my life
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: for example, you can give multiple inventory items at one time by dragging from inventory window to an Instant Message window
[2008/11/13 12:07] Crap Mariner: um. i;m seeing an SL musician perform in RL today.
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: thanx Simon
[2008/11/13 12:07] Torley Linden: oh, who Crap?
[2008/11/13 12:08] Crap Mariner: capos calderwood/alex whitmore
[2008/11/13 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: oh i didnt know that new one
[2008/11/13 12:08] Simon Kline: you inspired me to do some scripting ones torley! --> http://www.klinelabs.com/ only done 1 so far they're lots of work!!!
[2008/11/13 12:08] Torley Linden: and now you are, Dizzy! haha
[2008/11/13 12:08] Marty Gausman: is it just me, or do I see a huge watermelon? ^^
[2008/11/13 12:08] Kara Spengler: hiyas
[2008/11/13 12:08] Torley Linden: kewl Simon i'll bookmark this to check out soon
[2008/11/13 12:08] Torley Linden: you sure do Marty!
[2008/11/13 12:08] Torley Linden: hiya Kara
[2008/11/13 12:08] Torley Linden: i'm not familiar with Capos/Alex yet
[2008/11/13 12:08] Echo Jorda: Heya everyone ^^
[2008/11/13 12:08] object /rez box: Unable to give inventory: 'No item named 'everyone ^^'.'.
[2008/11/13 12:08] object /rez box: Could not find object 'everyone ^^'.
[2008/11/13 12:08] Crap Mariner: country/folk
[2008/11/13 12:08] Buterfly Nightfire: heya echo!
[2008/11/13 12:08] andsim Hammerer: this is my first time to see u on here
[2008/11/13 12:08] Simon Kline: hi all :))
[2008/11/13 12:08] Kara Spengler: heya Torley, almost forgot OH but got your tweet
[2008/11/13 12:09] Torley Linden: oh that's great andsim, i'm almost always here at this time
[2008/11/13 12:09] Torley Linden: oh cool Kara, Twitter is useful for that!
[2008/11/13 12:09] Andros Baphomet: Yes...I'm working on a Twitter HUD for inworld...
[2008/11/13 12:09] Torley Linden: Katt Linden has been using Twitter more for announcements/Second Life news too... we're working on making more use of it
[2008/11/13 12:09] andsim Hammerer: i know, i watch ur video
[2008/11/13 12:09] Crap Mariner: it's very handy got getting instant alerts.
[2008/11/13 12:09] Kara Spengler: Andros: Ordinal made one, is what I use
[2008/11/13 12:10] Andros Baphomet: hmm.
[2008/11/13 12:10] Torley Linden: i like widgets and gadgets and little things to try
[2008/11/13 12:10] Torley Linden: seems lke there's a web startup for just about everything nowadays, and many inworld equivalents
[2008/11/13 12:11] Simon Kline: hah the prime minister of australia joined twitter and it crashed apparently lol http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/web/twitterers-sink-pms-website/2008/11/13/1226318798926.html
[2008/11/13 12:11] Torley Linden: never run out of services to sign up for and have fun -- for music i've been trying http://soundcloud.com recently, makes it easy to upload and share. LOTS of nice usability touches there.
[2008/11/13 12:11] Torley Linden: oh my gosh Simon, haha *looks*
[2008/11/13 12:11] Torley Linden: FAIL WHALE
[2008/11/13 12:11] Andros Baphomet: lol
[2008/11/13 12:11] Andros Baphomet: true
[2008/11/13 12:11] Torley Linden: hiya Chaley, Echo, and is there anyone else i missed?
[2008/11/13 12:11] andsim Hammerer: i lke ittoo i use novatech gadget
[2008/11/13 12:11] Chaley May: hi
[2008/11/13 12:11] Echo Jorda: Heya Torley! ^^
[2008/11/13 12:11] object /rez box: Could not find object 'Torley! ^^'.
[2008/11/13 12:11] object /rez box: Unable to give inventory: 'No item named 'Torley! ^^'.'.
[2008/11/13 12:12] Marty Gausman: torley, when will ingame-servers be available? I've seen a post in the forum, but I think it's still beta, isn't it?
[2008/11/13 12:12] Debi Latte: Hi Torley...
[2008/11/13 12:12] Torley Linden: hiya Debi! =)
[2008/11/13 12:12] Debi Latte: and Hi Marty..
[2008/11/13 12:12] Torley Linden: Marty, can you please explain more about what you mean by "ingame-servers"?
[2008/11/13 12:12] Luna McMillan: hello everybody
[2008/11/13 12:12] Marty Gausman: hi debi
[2008/11/13 12:12] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[2008/11/13 12:13] Torley Linden: ok i swore last time i would try to expand this to 15 or 20 seats :O it didn't quite work but i'll try again soon
[2008/11/13 12:13] Marty Gausman: sending xml-rpc from one object to another object in-world without using outside-stuff like php
[2008/11/13 12:13] Alteran Zessinthal: oops. maxed out the chairs
[2008/11/13 12:13] andsim Hammerer: hehe
[2008/11/13 12:13] Debi Latte: it's ok... don't mind standing... even in heels...LOL
[2008/11/13 12:14] Torley Linden: oh Marty, i don't know about that. that sounds like the object-to-object communication ideas that've been around for a long time, but i'm not sure where that is on the overall schedule or if it's even being worked on.
[2008/11/13 12:14] Simon Kline: llEmail is commonly used for communication between objects.. even on other ends of the grid
[2008/11/13 12:15] Torley Linden: some people use llHTTPrequest for related things (superceding earlier XML-RPC) but i'm not a deep into the backend aspects of that
[2008/11/13 12:15] Marty Gausman: yeah, but llEmail is really slow
[2008/11/13 12:15] Dizzy Banjo: btw Torley, Im itching to do a reply to your blog post about the need for development in electronic music, but havent had the time yet, i really want to tho
[2008/11/13 12:15] Simon Kline: ahhh
[2008/11/13 12:15] Torley Linden: ohhhh Dizzy! i'll look for your trackback, my post was by no means complete but it definitely had some points i had gelling for awhile, and good to know
[2008/11/13 12:16] Torley Linden: for anyone who's wondering which post was that, http://torley.com/why-hasnt-electronic-music-advanced-more
[2008/11/13 12:16] Nepherses Amat: Hi I am looking for Torely
[2008/11/13 12:16] Debi Latte: Torley.... I'm sure this has been asked... a million times... but... is there anything in the works for increasing the # of groups an av can belong to?
[2008/11/13 12:16] Nepherses Amat: is he here?
[2008/11/13 12:16] Nepherses Amat: oh yes hi!
[2008/11/13 12:17] Torley Linden: hey Nepherses you have found me! welcome!
[2008/11/13 12:17] Nepherses Amat: I am sorry, is this a meeting we are interupting? I was told there were office hours
[2008/11/13 12:17] Nepherses Amat: Hi!
[2008/11/13 12:18] Nepherses Amat: YAAY!!!!!!
[2008/11/13 12:18] Nepherses Amat: this is my friend Sophia
[2008/11/13 12:18] Nepherses Amat: she has a major problem
[2008/11/13 12:18] Torley Linden: Debi, not definite that i know of. it goes hand in hand with increasing group chat stability/infrastructure though. and certainly one of the most popular requests.
[2008/11/13 12:18] Crap Mariner: Any plans to change Here for the Winter? And what's the craziest thing you've seen someone do for a seasonal sim theme?
[2008/11/13 12:18] Torley Linden: i was trying to use some group chats the other day and they timed out; so both more groups and better-working ones would be very helpful.
[2008/11/13 12:18] SophiaJane Alcott: hello Torely
[2008/11/13 12:18] SophiaJane Alcott: hello all
[2008/11/13 12:18] Torley Linden: Nepherses, you're not interrupting at all. hi Sophia, what's the prob? :)
[2008/11/13 12:18] SophiaJane Alcott: um,my inventory won't load
[2008/11/13 12:19] SophiaJane Alcott: jsut says loading objects,etc
[2008/11/13 12:19] Torley Linden: Crap, yes... you're the first one who's called it. =)
[2008/11/13 12:19] SophiaJane Alcott: not progress
[2008/11/13 12:19] Torley Linden: craziest thing would have to be a GIANT SANTA MOONING on the mainland some time back... but that was a parcel, not a full sim
[2008/11/13 12:19] Torley Linden: that was borderline griefing too <.<
[2008/11/13 12:19] Nepherses Amat: well she was reinstated and made a noob, since then her inventory has not loaded
[2008/11/13 12:19] Crap Mariner: hahahahaha
[2008/11/13 12:19] SophiaJane Alcott: lost all my underwear!lol
[2008/11/13 12:19] Nepherses Amat: a month or so
[2008/11/13 12:19] Timeless Prototype: hi all
[2008/11/13 12:19] Torley Linden: some of the Halloween stuff i saw was pretty badass, there was a ghost noob on one place floating around and causing pixel-terror
[2008/11/13 12:19] Debi Latte: yep... more groups would be super... especially for performers... who need to belong to a zillion groups because we have to rezz things... oh well...
[2008/11/13 12:19] Nepherses Amat: ☺*"HaHaHa"*☺
[2008/11/13 12:19] Alteran Zessinthal: i would pay to see a mooning santa
[2008/11/13 12:19] Marty Gausman: yes, group-limitation really sucks when u're into sl-live-music, so many great artists, and so few groups :(
[2008/11/13 12:19] Torley Linden: i'm sorry to hear that Sophia, i can't help with support issues :( but that's very frustrating. i'd recommend contacting http://secondlife.com/support
[2008/11/13 12:19] SophiaJane Alcott: how do i retreieve my underwear?and culptures?
[2008/11/13 12:20] Crap Mariner: ty timeless
[2008/11/13 12:20] SophiaJane Alcott: what do I need to do?sorry I only have 10 minutes
[2008/11/13 12:20] SophiaJane Alcott: right ok thankyu
[2008/11/13 12:20] Torley Linden: there are also times when groups can be better managed -- use of Roles can be like sub-groups. some people have developed clever quasi-group notification systems that don't take up group slots
[2008/11/13 12:20] Marty Gausman: debi is one of those I can't add to my groups because I'm nearly full
[2008/11/13 12:20] Nepherses Amat: ok let's go Sophia
[2008/11/13 12:21] SophiaJane Alcott: okthanks Neph
[2008/11/13 12:21] Torley Linden: MSo Lambert made one of the more popular ones... i think...
[2008/11/13 12:21] Torley Linden: and even in the present, ask yourself if you actively participate in all groups -- there may be a handful you're like, "hmm.. i don't really go/chat there anymore"
[2008/11/13 12:21] Arawn Spitteler suggests Sophia look in hte Wiki: Use of CC Folders, is what I'd do, to reduce groups.
[2008/11/13 12:21] Torley Linden: http://www.subscribeomatic.com/
[2008/11/13 12:21] Debi Latte: but in order to be a performer at a venue... that restricts building to members only... then I have to become a member... oh well...
[2008/11/13 12:21] Crap Mariner: Subscribe-o-matic is helpful. And don't forget that for announcements-only, why not use a Google group or Yahoo community?
[2008/11/13 12:21] Debi Latte: and yep... I've already ditched all the ones I don't participate in...
[2008/11/13 12:22] Arawn Spitteler: It would be good, if we could save inactive groups in Inventory, as Merchants run into limits.
[2008/11/13 12:22] Torley Linden: yup Debi, that's very true. :\
[2008/11/13 12:22] Torley Linden: groups themselves could use an overhaul... a lot of usability improvements that could be made
[2008/11/13 12:22] Crap Mariner looks forward to the video tutorials on The New Groups
[2008/11/13 12:22] Torley Linden: i've had to juggle building groups before -- when i'm done a project, i leave one, and join another
[2008/11/13 12:22] object /rez box: System Online
[2008/11/13 12:22] Torley Linden: hehe Crap yeah that seems inevitable
[2008/11/13 12:22] Torley Linden: but then sometimes i have to rejoin older groups to modify stuff, so it becomes like GROUP MUSICAL CHAIRS :(
[2008/11/13 12:23] Andros Baphomet: Change Places!
[2008/11/13 12:23] Andros Baphomet: :P
[2008/11/13 12:23] Debi Latte: if I perform at one venue one week... and then don't sing there til 2 weeks later... I have to dump them and then get someone to invite me again... it's just a pain... but I'm sure we'll survive until something better comes along...
[2008/11/13 12:24] Timeless Prototype: arg, Twitter problems
[2008/11/13 12:24] Luna McMillan: indeed
[2008/11/13 12:24] Arawn Spitteler: Performance Stages could be subparcelled
[2008/11/13 12:24] Torley Linden: heya Timeless!
[2008/11/13 12:24] Timeless Prototype: hiya Torley
[2008/11/13 12:24] Torley Linden: if more groups made use of Roles wisely that could help in the meantime, Roles can behave like sub-groups
[2008/11/13 12:25] andsim Hammerer: torley, i owned few group on sl, but why some permission in my group wont resonse currectly like build
[2008/11/13 12:25] Arawn Spitteler: We can't limit IMs, to roles. That requires Mystic Academy to have three groups, at least, and that's not an RPG
[2008/11/13 12:26] Alteran Zessinthal: why is there a limit on groups you can be a member of anyway?
[2008/11/13 12:26] Torley Linden: Alteran, part of it is resource limits.
[2008/11/13 12:27] Marty Gausman: is that you playing the piano there on stream, torley?
[2008/11/13 12:27] Debi Latte: I'm not so much concerned about sending OUT messages... as I am... and many other performers are... about having to join a bunch of groups... to have rights on that venue's property.... I simply have to keep leaving and re-joining the same groups each month...
[2008/11/13 12:27] Torley Linden: n^2 problems :|
[2008/11/13 12:27] Torley Linden: i mean, n^n
[2008/11/13 12:27] Torley Linden: Marty, yes, that's me =)
[2008/11/13 12:27] Torley Linden: what's also been previously discussed is making the Premium accounts less land-centric and also including things like higher group limits, so i suppose we'll see what happens with that.
[2008/11/13 12:27] Crap Mariner: ever thought of performing live?
[2008/11/13 12:28] Marty Gausman: nice
[2008/11/13 12:28] Torley Linden: Crap, yes! just haven't done it yet.
[2008/11/13 12:28] Alteran Zessinthal: that'll be cool. do it already!
[2008/11/13 12:28] Debi Latte: Torley.... you should perform live.... :)
[2008/11/13 12:28] Arawn Spitteler: Torley'd need Pooley
[2008/11/13 12:28] Torley Linden: =)
[2008/11/13 12:28] Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
[2008/11/13 12:28] Simon Kline: hahah that would be awesome!
[2008/11/13 12:29] Arawn Spitteler: I don't know if it's okay, for Lindens to put out tip jars
[2008/11/13 12:29] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/26926
[2008/11/13 12:29] Marty Gausman: imagine that group-notice........the one and only watermelon performing live at the lily pad, debi lmao
[2008/11/13 12:29] Debi Latte: IM me later, Torley... and I'll get you set up with a venue... LOL...
[2008/11/13 12:29] Multi Gadget v1.55.2 by Timeless Prototype
[2008/11/13 12:29] Crap Mariner: Giving Premium/Concierge/Enterprise more abilities like more groups would be an incentive to "level up" i';d think
[2008/11/13 12:29] Debi Latte: no kidding.... and... heck... if a tip jar isn't there... we bonk performers on the head with tips... there's always a way to tip a performer..
[2008/11/13 12:30] Crap Mariner: debi - i refuse venue tips for my venue. ;) i give it all to performer if they insist
[2008/11/13 12:30] Ozzy Wozniak: greetings
[2008/11/13 12:30] Debi Latte: ok... so I have to be patient about additional groups... darn it...
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: Crap, yeah -- i was looking at some intriguing "Freenium" comparison pricing charts recently... SL could draw some inspiration
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: aw thanks Debi
[2008/11/13 12:31] Kara Spengler: bette incentives to turn free accounts to premium would be good ..... outside of the stipend and owning mainland there is not a lot that seperates my paying LL for 2 accounts from 2 free account bots ..... there should
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: friendly greetings Ozzy!
[2008/11/13 12:31] Dizzy Banjo: hey Bettina
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/10/13/pricing-tables-showcase-examples-and-best-practices/ is one of my FAVE articles
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: you need to be able to show the differences, the benefits. communicate clearly why someone should pay more.
[2008/11/13 12:31] Bettina Tizzy: hey all, g'day
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: hiya Bett!
[2008/11/13 12:31] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[2008/11/13 12:31] Dizzy Banjo: come join me on the couch.. lol
[2008/11/13 12:31] Bettina Tizzy: Didn't want to interrupt
[2008/11/13 12:31] Torley Linden: no worries, creative chaos land here ;)
[2008/11/13 12:32] Crap Mariner: hi betti
[2008/11/13 12:32] Ozzy Wozniak: ops
[2008/11/13 12:32] Yoa Ogee: oh hi bettina, great to see you!!!
[2008/11/13 12:32] Torley Linden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemium has some background on that buzzword
[2008/11/13 12:32] Bettina Tizzy: Only my second office hours, ever!
[2008/11/13 12:32] Torley Linden: oh wow!
[2008/11/13 12:32] Torley Linden: well, glad you could make it =)
[2008/11/13 12:32] Kara Spengler: right, it is handy to have the stipend, but is just a convenience to keep me from running to the lindex every week
[2008/11/13 12:32] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/26927
[2008/11/13 12:33] Bettina Tizzy: What about increasing free tier for premium accounts to 1024m?
[2008/11/13 12:33] Bettina Tizzy: Then we could really *do* something with it
[2008/11/13 12:33] Arawn Spitteler: How many lindens you want to buy? Lindex won't talk to me, until I buy what I don't need.
[2008/11/13 12:33] Infinomad Starbrook: i have no idea what any of that means, im just enjoying being in a big circle!
[2008/11/13 12:33] Torley Linden: Bettina, that's been suggested by some Lindens before as well!
[2008/11/13 12:34] Bettina Tizzy: YAY! (yay!)
[2008/11/13 12:34] Crap Mariner: i'd think something like a permanent email account via the avatar for premium would be an interesting incentive, even though you can just grab a google mail for it
[2008/11/13 12:34] Torley Linden: Crap, and included with that, an extended web profile or something
[2008/11/13 12:34] Crap Mariner: ja
[2008/11/13 12:34] Crap Mariner: but then an extended web profile = just make wiki page
[2008/11/13 12:34] Torley Linden: there may be more discussions later this year or beginning of the next about redefining Premium
[2008/11/13 12:34] Torley Linden: i know our new VP of Product Management, T Linden, has been very interested in such topics
[2008/11/13 12:35] Torley Linden: Crap, well, it'd have to be more user-friendly and offer exclusive stuff
[2008/11/13 12:35] Crap Mariner: ja
[2008/11/13 12:35] Bettina Tizzy: Ooo, can we get some background info on T, Torley?
[2008/11/13 12:35] Torley Linden: and have a nicer layout, it's hard to do that with wiki pages
[2008/11/13 12:35] Torley Linden: T helped Flash get a 95% adoption rate on web browsers!
[2008/11/13 12:35] Torley Linden: he's got some pretty cool MP3 interviews out there on the web if you google "Tom Hale"
[2008/11/13 12:35] Torley Linden: correction: i think Flash's adoption rate is even higher now
[2008/11/13 12:36] Kara Spengler: wow! someoneat LL (not naming names) who does not consider premium accounts unimportant!
[2008/11/13 12:37] Arawn Spitteler imagines free server space, for Premiums, perhaps with blog space for us Basics
[2008/11/13 12:37] Torley Linden: Kara, or more accurately, the lots of Lindens who feel the same way but whose views aren't broadly visible in public
[2008/11/13 12:37] Torley Linden: we're hoping to change that with the new blogs. Katt, myself, some others will be encouraging many Lindens to participate on the blog
[2008/11/13 12:37] andsim Hammerer: i use premium account
[2008/11/13 12:37] Crap Mariner: had a crazy idea for the blog - a linden a week.. just a profile of a different one every week.
[2008/11/13 12:37] Torley Linden: and SHARE REGULARLY. good gosh it sucks if you make a post and then disappear, i know
[2008/11/13 12:37] Crap Mariner: at random
[2008/11/13 12:37] Kara Spengler: Torley: yes, I would imagine that was a minority view, albiet a prominent one :)
[2008/11/13 12:38] Marty Gausman: free server-space would be nice, searching for free webspace that supports curl is a pain in the ass
[2008/11/13 12:38] Dizzy Banjo: thats a good idea Crap
[2008/11/13 12:38] Torley Linden: Crap, i've championed that idea before -- we certainly have an internal "who does what with some biographical info" system, but not a public equivalent. i love hearing requests and curiosities for it tho, because it supports the notion of making it happen!
[2008/11/13 12:38] Tux Winkler: a local copy of the inventory for premiums would be nice, incase a mishap happens ^^
[2008/11/13 12:38] Bettina Tizzy: We wish, Tux
[2008/11/13 12:38] Torley Linden: Marty, i'm not sure if we want to get into the webhosting business *that* way unless we could partner with someone who'd be a lovely fit.
[2008/11/13 12:39] Timeless Prototype: (ty for the pic!)
[2008/11/13 12:39] Arawn Spitteler: I think there'd be some use, of an index of office hours by subject, rather than who holds htem. SLim needs an hour, but there's no way to look up that there isn't one.
[2008/11/13 12:39] Kara Spengler: maybe limit the inventory size for free accounts and do a larger one for premiums .... give the asset server a break :)
[2008/11/13 12:39] Torley Linden: Arawn, i believe a Mentor made a gadget facilitating that, but i haven't found it yet
[2008/11/13 12:39] Chaley May: premium account holders should get free uploads
[2008/11/13 12:39] Dizzy Banjo: We've talked about this idea before Torley, but Id love to see that idea of the log in page being dynamic, and an actual in world live scene, at really good interesting locations, changing all the time
[2008/11/13 12:40] Dizzy Banjo: even if it was snapshots
[2008/11/13 12:40] Chaley May: yea
[2008/11/13 12:40] Torley Linden: sorting http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours better would be SO very useful
[2008/11/13 12:40] Chaley May: we would be snapping everywhere
[2008/11/13 12:40] Simon Kline: ohh yeah! i haven one of those arawn!...
[2008/11/13 12:40] Buterfly Nightfire: and i'm back
[2008/11/13 12:40] Crap Mariner: a random tp button
[2008/11/13 12:40] Torley Linden: Dizzy, yup! "inworld webcams" and stuff come to mind...
[2008/11/13 12:40] Torley Linden: those would also play a role in helping with event attendance
[2008/11/13 12:40] Simon Kline: Gellan Glenelg made an office hours reminder!! It works really well!
[2008/11/13 12:40] Torley Linden: oh gosh, random TP button, i've wanted one for so long since llTeleportAgent (which hasn't come to be yet :( )
[2008/11/13 12:40] Torley Linden: Simon, where can i find out more about it?
[2008/11/13 12:41] Simon Kline: Just IM Gellan :))
[2008/11/13 12:41] Kara Spengler: the 3d equivalent of "I feel lucky"? :)
[2008/11/13 12:41] Crap Mariner streamed live video in-world before and snapshotted catcams... not easy, but doable now.
[2008/11/13 12:41] Bettina Tizzy: (tks for pics!)
[2008/11/13 12:41] Torley Linden: i think it'd be pretty cool to park an inworld webcam on your land and display it like stick.am or a widget on your blog
[2008/11/13 12:41] Torley Linden: Crap, know http://dyyno.com ?
[2008/11/13 12:41] Torley Linden: Xfire w/Dyyno makes it VERY easy to stream SL. sadly only for Windows right now, but i tried it and it's pretty cool!
[2008/11/13 12:41] Crap Mariner: looks familiar
[2008/11/13 12:41] Dizzy Banjo: ha i used to kind of make that with closing my eyes zooming right out on the grid and doubleclicking randomly
[2008/11/13 12:41] Crap Mariner: i'll check it at home.
[2008/11/13 12:42] Timeless Snow Goggles HUD v1.0.1 2008 Edition by Timeless Prototype
[2008/11/13 12:42] Torley Linden: btw if anyone needs a free, fast movie recorder for SL stuff, try http://xfire.com
[2008/11/13 12:42] Crap Mariner: ty
[2008/11/13 12:42] Torley Linden: Dizzy, i used to do that too! hehe
[2008/11/13 12:42] Andros Baphomet: Alas, it is for Windows...
[2008/11/13 12:42] Torley Linden: more context: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Movie_help
[2008/11/13 12:42] Torley Linden: yeah i haven't found an equivalent for Mac, Andros
[2008/11/13 12:42] Andros Baphomet runs Linux.
[2008/11/13 12:43] Andros Baphomet: (gasp! horror!)
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: has to do, i think, with Windows having more games/bigger audience/where mass market is
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: or Linux
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: pardon me!!!!
[2008/11/13 12:43] Andros Baphomet: lol
[2008/11/13 12:43] Crap Mariner: or did you mean webcams of stuff going on in SL live that people could see from the web?
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: i think my biggest exposure to Linux is via Maemo on N800
[2008/11/13 12:43] Andros Baphomet nods
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: Crap, i meant streaming inworld content. so people outside can see what's happening in Second Life.
[2008/11/13 12:43] Kara Spengler: well, I need to log out, bye all
[2008/11/13 12:43] Crap Mariner: cool either way
[2008/11/13 12:43] Torley Linden: have a good one Kara
[2008/11/13 12:44] Buterfly Nightfire: i use linux on my other computer, i like it a lot, but seems like everything is marketed to windows instead
[2008/11/13 12:44] Kara Spengler: later Torley
[2008/11/13 12:44] Torley Linden: yeah, there are some big ?'s to solve, and people who can do it will have my gratitude! hehe
[2008/11/13 12:44] andsim Hammerer: i havent seen sl live webcam before
[2008/11/13 12:44] Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
[2008/11/13 12:44] Torley Linden: in Second Life 1.21 and newer, you can turn off typing animation via Preferences > Text Chat tab. i know that's kind of random but i just wanted to share
[2008/11/13 12:44] Luna McMillan gave you *NOIR* scene by Luna McMillan.
[2008/11/13 12:44] Andros Baphomet: Yeah, didn't mean to be a pretentious butthead with the Linux remark, my apologies.
[2008/11/13 12:44] Crap Mariner smiles
[2008/11/13 12:44] Crap Mariner: Dolmere Talmasca will be pleased with that
[2008/11/13 12:44] Torley Linden: oh no worries at all, no pretension there, Andros!
[2008/11/13 12:45] Debi Latte: Torley... that's terrific... much easier than all the other steps to turn off typing anim.. .
[2008/11/13 12:45] Torley Linden: my very first Tip of the Week was using Debug Settings...
[2008/11/13 12:45] Torley Linden: haha yes Debi ;)
[2008/11/13 12:45] Torley Linden: so i'm doing a followup on it, to show at least that got easier
[2008/11/13 12:45] Torley Linden: if there's anything else broadly useful but confusing to access, let me know... i can advocate to LL devs as to why it'd be a win for usability...
[2008/11/13 12:46] Torley Linden: Yoa, those fans are tripping me out :D
[2008/11/13 12:46] Andros Baphomet wants his bandwidth/packet loss meters back.
[2008/11/13 12:46] andsim Hammerer: *~*~rofl*~*~
[2008/11/13 12:46] andsim Hammerer: oops
[2008/11/13 12:46] Alteran Zessinthal: yeah, what happened to those?
[2008/11/13 12:46] Simon Kline: hehe i'm using 1.21 at the moment, i love the beacons in a window now too
[2008/11/13 12:46] Buterfly Nightfire: i've still got mine..
[2008/11/13 12:46] Torley Linden: Andros, Preferences > General tab and uncheck "Show search panel..."
[2008/11/13 12:46] Arawn Spitteler's using the SLim First Look Viewer, but doesn't see any friends with SLim indicated: Does SLim work, when Voice isn't turned on?
[2008/11/13 12:47] Crap Mariner: i know this is a longshot, but you're at a live music or deejayed event and you crash SL, you lose the stream. maybe some kind of "launch in external player" option for streams that still keeps the stream url secure for those securing it?
[2008/11/13 12:47] Torley Linden: Damanios! i was just admiring your weather systems the other day
[2008/11/13 12:47] Andros Baphomet: Oh!
[2008/11/13 12:47] Damanios Thetan: hi Torley, hi all ;)
[2008/11/13 12:47] Timeless Prototype: hiya
[2008/11/13 12:47] Bettina Tizzy: Damanios :)
[2008/11/13 12:47] Andros Baphomet: That's *much* better, thanks!
[2008/11/13 12:47] Damanios Thetan: sorry for being late, never good at being somewhere on time ;)
[2008/11/13 12:47] Torley Linden: Crap: hm, i would think that should be fairly easy to mod... like a button that opens it in an external player, similar to how we can open in an external webpage
[2008/11/13 12:48] Crap Mariner: ja
[2008/11/13 12:48] Torley Linden: you're weldome Andros, i love sharing tips like that
[2008/11/13 12:48] Arawn Spitteler wonders why Damanios would feel tardy: You seem to be almost 169 hours early
[2008/11/13 12:48] Torley Linden: it's interesting you mention that, Crap, becasue... i often manually do that at events... in case i need to crash/relog/record the stream/etc.
[2008/11/13 12:49] Crap Mariner: when i host i tend to do that too because i know the url.
[2008/11/13 12:49] Timeless Snow Goggles HUD v1.0.1 2008 Edition by Timeless Prototype
[2008/11/13 12:49] Debi Latte: Gotta run.... thanks for the insight on the issue about # of groups... and let me know if you'd like to play in-world Torley.... better yet.... let's put some lyrics to some of your music and let me sing along with you!! :)
[2008/11/13 12:49] Crap Mariner: but for some folks, they need a button to push. seemingly simple things are confusing
[2008/11/13 12:49] Torley Linden: you're welcome, and thanks Debi!
[2008/11/13 12:49] Debi Latte: THAT is what SL does best.... promote collaboration...
[2008/11/13 12:49] Torley Linden: Crap, YES... i know... and even simple things i feel lazy about sometimes
[2008/11/13 12:49] Torley Linden: there was an early prototype screenshot which showed the currently-playing parcel music as a Growl-style overlay
[2008/11/13 12:50] Torley Linden: kind of like on some music websites, it shows album art and info about the artist on a translucent background
[2008/11/13 12:50] Torley Linden: and then you can click it to find out more
[2008/11/13 12:50] Torley Linden: or launch the stream externally
[2008/11/13 12:50] Andros Baphomet: My biggest complaint with the LL devs with regards to the UI is that they think "usable" means "dumbed down".
[2008/11/13 12:50] Debi Latte: see ya'll later!!
[2008/11/13 12:50] Sacha Swindlehurst: *mews*
[2008/11/13 12:50] Buterfly Nightfire: yeah.. i agree on that, Andros
[2008/11/13 12:51] Torley Linden: Andros, well there are disagreements on how to approach things, and consensus needs to be reached -- there are times when more Resident input needs to be heard and times when Resident Experience Team contributes their expertise. what are some examples of "dumbed down"?
[2008/11/13 12:51] Arawn Spitteler: Usable means Dumbed Down, but Improved means system resources are exceeded.
[2008/11/13 12:51] daddy Westland: hi torley
[2008/11/13 12:51] Torley Linden: hiya daddy :)
[2008/11/13 12:51] Arawn Spitteler: There's a reason I'm the Sensless King.
[2008/11/13 12:52] Andros Baphomet: Well, one example is the bandwidth/packet loss meters being replaced by default by the Lag Meter.
[2008/11/13 12:52] Crap Mariner: providing more info about stream/artist = sales/referrals
[2008/11/13 12:52] Torley Linden: if more people can use a feature with less headaches, then that's "smartened up". hehe. but if it removes clear functionality and ends up being even more confusing, then yeah, that's dumbed down. or dumbed up. :p
[2008/11/13 12:52] Andros Baphomet: An old one, I admit, but still relevant.
[2008/11/13 12:52] Torley Linden: Andros, oh that was a tough one, because it came down to a lot of conflicting feedback -- our test labs showed people wonder "what the heck do these mean?" and a search bar was clearer to use/more usable everyday. but since that is not universal, it's why we offer an option for that.
[2008/11/13 12:53] Infinomad Starbrook: gotta run! its been insightful..apart from the bits i didnt understand...which was all of it..uhhh...nice meeting you! XD
[2008/11/13 12:53] Torley Linden: aww thanks for visiting Infinomad! :D
[2008/11/13 12:53] Torley Linden: take care!!!
[2008/11/13 12:53] Bettina Tizzy: May I ask... how possible would it be to enable search by creator?
[2008/11/13 12:53] Tux Winkler: why not have the top bar editable so we can add to it if we so wish?
[2008/11/13 12:53] Sacha Swindlehurst: oh sorry for not saying hello in normal enligh
[2008/11/13 12:53] Talon Lardner: Forgive me if I have TPed on top of anyone....
[2008/11/13 12:53] Torley Linden: Bettina, from what i've asked (and it's been awhile), it's not trivial. i'd love to do that too, i've prescribed workarounds many times.
[2008/11/13 12:53] Andros Baphomet: Add what, Tux?
[2008/11/13 12:54] Tux Winkler: meters, search, etcetc
[2008/11/13 12:54] Torley Linden: Tux, ah modular yes? that's a longtime hope to make the UI more widgetized for drag-and-drop. i know some people are going to bring up WOW as an example.
[2008/11/13 12:54] Tux Winkler: yes
[2008/11/13 12:54] Torley Linden: heaya Sacha no worries
[2008/11/13 12:54] Dizzy Banjo: yeh that would be a great option Bettina
[2008/11/13 12:54] Bettina Tizzy: I'll look for those prescriptions, Torley, thanks. I could really use some kind of workaround then.
[2008/11/13 12:54] Torley Linden: so yeah, there are certain ideas where i go "HOLY MOLY @#$% that would be SO BADASS" but it just hasn't happened yet...
[2008/11/13 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: it searches for items for sale and knows their location ...
[2008/11/13 12:55] Torley Linden: Bettina, the most common workaround i've seen, which i'm sure you have too, is when creators brand their folders and item names with a short tag like *TX* or ~Glow~ so it's easier to search for
[2008/11/13 12:55] Andros Baphomet: Well, there's always SLEX
[2008/11/13 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: i guess creator must be possible somehow
[2008/11/13 12:55] Torley Linden: yeah, i use Xstreet SL a lot
[2008/11/13 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: ah you mean inventory search
[2008/11/13 12:56] Andros Baphomet: Yeah, just realized.
[2008/11/13 12:56] Bettina Tizzy: yes, I often rename new items in my inv... but sometimes don't manage to get to them before I relog and then they are as good as lost in my inv.
[2008/11/13 12:56] Dizzy Banjo: it would be awesome to be able to use inworld search by creator though too
[2008/11/13 12:56] Andros Baphomet: My guess is that it isn't indexed like that.
[2008/11/13 12:56] Bettina Tizzy: This is made more complicated when the creator gives me a folder that is no mod.
[2008/11/13 12:56] Torley Linden: Dizzy, part of the technical problem is in how the inventory is "dumb" at revealing some info UNTIL an object is rezzed. e.g., an object was made by several people (different creators in the contents), but we don't currently have a way to expand that
[2008/11/13 12:56] Andros Baphomet: (the asset DBs)
[2008/11/13 12:56] Torley Linden: which is why the lameness of (unknown) strikes!
[2008/11/13 12:56] Torley Linden: e.g., search your Library for "Kart" and get Properties. it says "unknown" created it but that's not true!
[2008/11/13 12:57] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[2008/11/13 12:57] Crap Mariner: would be cool to be able to get a report/inventory of every object on a parcel.
[2008/11/13 12:57] Bettina Tizzy nods
[2008/11/13 12:57] Andros Baphomet: About Land does that to some extent
[2008/11/13 12:57] Dizzy Banjo: it would be cool if i could do a search ( in world not in inventory ) and see where all the prims a creator had made were.. that could be wild
[2008/11/13 12:58] Andros Baphomet: That would be insane.
[2008/11/13 12:58] Torley Linden: there are nested intricacies in the permissions system which Phoenix, James, etc. and some other venerable Lindens could explain more about. i'm not an expert at this but i DO know from a casual perspective, it doesn't make intuitive sense.
[2008/11/13 12:58] Crap Mariner: for prims, yes. but if you have a pesky object like a rezzed necklace or skirt missing and eating up a hundred prims, hard to track down
[2008/11/13 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: for instance, Timeless's stuff would be all over the place
[2008/11/13 12:58] Andros Baphomet: Imagine searching for a Linden...
[2008/11/13 12:58] Bettina Tizzy: What would you do with that info, Dizzy? :P
[2008/11/13 12:58] Torley Linden: yes Dizzy :) haha, i wonder if anyone has come up with a sort of hack for that... hmmm...
[2008/11/13 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: well it would be interesting
[2008/11/13 12:58] Timeless Prototype blinks, I'm back from AFK now
[2008/11/13 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: it would be good to just find the work of interesting people
[2008/11/13 12:58] Torley Linden: some of this data takes a lot of churn to go through, especially with the terabytes upon terabytes of created content Second Life has now
[2008/11/13 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[2008/11/13 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: but search does it already with items for sale
[2008/11/13 12:58] Torley Linden: it's been awhile since we published stats on it, but at least on http://blog.secondlife.com Zee posted some latest stats of user activity
[2008/11/13 12:59] Damanios Thetan: not sure what is spidered by the google thingie?
[2008/11/13 12:59] Torley Linden: i'd like to find every place that uses the old flame texture and HUNT THEM DOWN!!!!!!!
[2008/11/13 12:59] Dizzy Banjo: its an extremely niche feature tho .. lol
[2008/11/13 12:59] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/26929
[2008/11/13 12:59] Timeless Prototype: lol
[2008/11/13 12:59] Dizzy Banjo: hahaha
[2008/11/13 12:59] Timeless Prototype: I love the new sculpty fire
[2008/11/13 12:59] Andros Baphomet: haha
[2008/11/13 12:59] Damanios Thetan: (blow)
[2008/11/13 12:59] Torley Linden: gosh that animated flame bugs me so much, i <3 sculpty fire w/glow too. =)
[2008/11/13 12:59] Timeless Prototype: yeah
[2008/11/13 13:00] Torley Linden: no disrespect to the original Eric Linden who did that old skool fire, it was the best at the time. but times have moved on and people can improve.
[2008/11/13 13:00] Andros Baphomet has no sculpty fire
[2008/11/13 13:00] Timeless Prototype: (available at your nearest freebie outlet, other fires available too)
[2008/11/13 13:00] Crap Mariner covets sculpty fire
[2008/11/13 13:00] Torley Linden: who made the sculpty fire you're thinking of, Timeless?
[2008/11/13 13:00] Damanios Thetan: I don't have sculpty fire either :( Still use particles + glow...
[2008/11/13 13:00] Timeless Prototype: just searching inventory now, sec
[2008/11/13 13:00] Andros Baphomet: Admittedly, I've used the Linden fire in some of my stuff...though I usually put some glow on it
[2008/11/13 13:00] Torley Linden: this is a beautiful fire when seen in action: http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/2873682187/ it uses particles too
[2008/11/13 13:00] Torley Linden: like rich Photoshop layering, adding techniques
[2008/11/13 13:01] Timeless Prototype: "Made By TerdNerd Barbosa" (in description)
[2008/11/13 13:01] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at blogHUD.com []: see http://bloghud.com/id/26925
[2008/11/13 13:01] Torley Linden: it's part of why i like sculpties + shiny + glow + a nice WindLight setting ;)
[2008/11/13 13:01] Timeless Prototype: (because creator says Loading...)
[2008/11/13 13:01] Torley Linden: kewl thanx Timeless, i don't think i'm actually familiar with that one
[2008/11/13 13:01] Dizzy Banjo: one day i suspect Torley may sneak into the database and just delete every occurance of that texture, causing gridwide chaos.. lol
[2008/11/13 13:01] andsim Hammerer: lol like my hat
[2008/11/13 13:01] Torley Linden: haha or replace it with another Dizzy :p but then that would interfere with people who use that texture in a satirical way, defeating my point
[2008/11/13 13:02] Torley Linden: thanks Timeless!
[2008/11/13 13:02] Timeless Prototype gave you Sculpted Fire Full Perm & Fire Logs Full Perm (Boxed).
[2008/11/13 13:02] Dizzy Banjo: haha
[2008/11/13 13:02] Damanios Thetan: Well, ok... most of the freebie fire also uses the old LL script in it, with an interesting bug....
[2008/11/13 13:02] Timeless Prototype: if anyone wants a copy of the fire, please IM me
[2008/11/13 13:02] Crap Mariner: ty again timeless
[2008/11/13 13:02] Torley Linden: it was both sad but funny how recently, some sharp folks noticed the US flag in the Inventory had 55 stars
[2008/11/13 13:02] Bettina Tizzy: !
[2008/11/13 13:02] Torley Linden: yes, apparently "American Flag" is from a parallel universe
[2008/11/13 13:02] Bettina Tizzy: It's Sarah Palin's fault, I'm sure of it
[2008/11/13 13:03] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2008/11/13 13:03] Sacha Swindlehurst: lol..
[2008/11/13 13:03] Alteran Zessinthal: who?
[2008/11/13 13:03] Torley Linden: but then the flag got corrected
[2008/11/13 13:03] andsim Hammerer: oh
[2008/11/13 13:03] Torley Linden: i think, so the one you check, will have 50
[2008/11/13 13:03] Torley Linden: still, i did not make this up
[2008/11/13 13:03] Torley Linden: PROOF https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1528
[2008/11/13 13:04] Torley Linden: reported by a true patriot, i'm sure
[2008/11/13 13:04] Torley Linden: hahaha
[2008/11/13 13:04] Andros Baphomet: Thanks Timeless!
[2008/11/13 13:04] Torley Linden: i wonder how that mixup ever happened and it took so long to notice
[2008/11/13 13:04] Timeless Prototype: yws
[2008/11/13 13:04] Torley Linden: that's soooo bizarre
[2008/11/13 13:04] Torley Linden: but sometimes, that's... Second Life for ya
[2008/11/13 13:05] Bettina Tizzy: Well, at least we know that its creator wasn't working from someone else's art... a very original creation.
[2008/11/13 13:05] Torley Linden: hahahaahah
[2008/11/13 13:05] daddy Westland: i got to go now bye
[2008/11/13 13:05] Alteran Zessinthal: or that the creator wasnt american
[2008/11/13 13:05] Torley Linden: yeah, original as in "reading too much sci-fi!"
[2008/11/13 13:05] Torley Linden: yes Alteran hahaha
[2008/11/13 13:05] Andros Baphomet: OK folks, I have to go as well...see you all later!
[2008/11/13 13:05] Torley Linden: it's kind of like those shirts made in Asian countries that have "coke" mispelled as "Croke"
[2008/11/13 13:05] Bettina Tizzy: Hey Torley... one quickie... why are all the pics on the secondlife.com website so washed out? And not using windlight?
[2008/11/13 13:05] daddy Westland: bye torley
[2008/11/13 13:06] Torley Linden: Bettina? ALL of them? :O i think most, if not all on Showcase use WL
[2008/11/13 13:06] Torley Linden: i have seen some older ones around, they'll get refreshed eventually
[2008/11/13 13:06] Torley Linden: ohhh Snow Goggles!
[2008/11/13 13:06] Torley Linden: fun!
[2008/11/13 13:06] Timeless Prototype gave you Timeless Snow Goggles HUD v1.0.1 2008 Edition.
[2008/11/13 13:06] Crap Mariner: oops. reminds me. gotta submit location for showcase
[2008/11/13 13:06] Timeless Prototype: lol
[2008/11/13 13:06] Damanios Thetan: what showcase?
[2008/11/13 13:06] Bettina Tizzy: The home page invariably depicts "noon" shots... as is the case with most LL generated pics (excluding yours, of course)
[2008/11/13 13:06] Torleyite (CLICK ME FOR TIPS!) shouts: Crave some privacy? Go to Edit menu > Preferences > Communication tab and check 'Make my online status visible only to my Friends and Groups'.
[2008/11/13 13:06] Luna McMillan: ty T bya all
[2008/11/13 13:07] Timeless Prototype waves
[2008/11/13 13:07] Torley Linden: *looks close* yes, i see... *refreshes* those pictures are dated
[2008/11/13 13:07] Sacha Swindlehurst waves back
[2008/11/13 13:07] Torley Linden: i'm actually working with Marketing & PR to update our stock photos
[2008/11/13 13:07] Torley Linden: take care Luna!
[2008/11/13 13:07] Bettina Tizzy: Me and some pals were speculating that this would appeal to the suits, but I think suits can haz good taste, too
[2008/11/13 13:07] Torley Linden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lindenlab/
[2008/11/13 13:08] Torley Linden: Bettina, well, the thing that makes me really sad is when people confine themselves to generic corporate builds in SL and think that's the only definition of "professional"... then we can do so much more
[2008/11/13 13:08] Torley Linden: i hate how "professional" is often equated with "serious and without a sense of style" when it doesn't need to be that way!
[2008/11/13 13:08] Bettina Tizzy: aye... but this is what is generally depicted on SL's home page!
[2008/11/13 13:08] Crap Mariner: maybe it needs a new term?
[2008/11/13 13:09] Crap Mariner: propassional?
[2008/11/13 13:09] Timeless Prototype: something like "awesome"
[2008/11/13 13:09] Bettina Tizzy: And here it is, this hotbed of creativity
[2008/11/13 13:09] Torley Linden: Bettina, yes, it doesn't make sense to have a one-size-fits-all approach because that definitely doesn't work. i'd love to see alternate SL home pages appeal to particular lifestyles
[2008/11/13 13:09] Crap Mariner wouldn't mind a steampunk themed portal. heh
[2008/11/13 13:09] Torley Linden: and yes, i do mean goths, furries, soccer moms, etc. targeted, specific, groups with a shared passion
[2008/11/13 13:09] Sacha Swindlehurst: oww do i see the crane in ANWR water sims
[2008/11/13 13:09] Torley Linden: yeah, steampunkers for sure
[2008/11/13 13:09] Bettina Tizzy: That would be THE awesome, Torley, yeh!
[2008/11/13 13:09] Timeless Prototype: I'd enjoy a Wastelands portal :D
[2008/11/13 13:09] Timeless Prototype: totally trashed page of stuff from the wastelands sims
[2008/11/13 13:10] Torley Linden: i'm a big fan of grunge/tech/dirt aesthetics and there's no question a big audience out there, like Resis i know who are active on DeviantArt
[2008/11/13 13:10] Bettina Tizzy: Like you say... a good melange
[2008/11/13 13:10] Crap Mariner: Lolcat. heh
[2008/11/13 13:10] Torley Linden: yes Bettina!
[2008/11/13 13:10] Torley Linden: hahaha yeah LULZ
[2008/11/13 13:10] Torley Linden: well see, that's the interesting thing about groups associated with griefing...
[2008/11/13 13:11] Torley Linden: they're also VERY good at rallying their friends and spreading ideas/memes
[2008/11/13 13:11] Sacha Swindlehurst: lol
[2008/11/13 13:11] Torley Linden: i used to uh, be more of a miscreant, and having understanding ears helped me focus my creativity in a non-destructive way
[2008/11/13 13:11] Timeless Prototype: but I'm not a griefer! (lulz kidding, er wait, no, er yes I am, er...)
[2008/11/13 13:11] Damanios Thetan: social pressure as marketing tool
[2008/11/13 13:11] Sacha Swindlehurst: well i find some of the best stuff i saw in sl lately to be steampunk like
[2008/11/13 13:11] Crap Mariner: perhaps establish a viral concept of antigriefing, where creativity and information spread by compelled participants?
[2008/11/13 13:11] Sacha Swindlehurst: great texturing and scultp work
[2008/11/13 13:12] Alteran Zessinthal: oo-er, torley hints on his mysterious past
[2008/11/13 13:12] Torley Linden: yeah Crap, it's like how i know firsthand how some people in SL graduated from griefing to making cool stuff. edgy goods, but nonetheless, beneficial for both sides (buyer and seller) than, spamcubes and particle mayhem
[2008/11/13 13:12] Torley Linden: Alteran, haha ;)
[2008/11/13 13:12] Torley Linden: well i was associated with the demoscene way back,
[2008/11/13 13:12] Torley Linden: so if i make a reference to stuff like that, it's because it was my youth
[2008/11/13 13:12] Damanios Thetan: Which platform?
[2008/11/13 13:12] Timeless Prototype: I've met many griefers, and after a bit, they find their "thing" and then they shine
[2008/11/13 13:13] Torley Linden: Damanios, mainly C64/AMIGA
[2008/11/13 13:13] Damanios Thetan: Amiga here
[2008/11/13 13:13] Torley Linden: was big into making SID music of course, something that lives with me to this day
[2008/11/13 13:13] Bettina Tizzy: Who are some of your favorite early-griefer who have gone on to more productive uses of their um... creativity?
[2008/11/13 13:13] Damanios Thetan: Octamed... i was kind of off...
[2008/11/13 13:13] Torley Linden: and watching the scrolling letters and shout-out props to friends and all those colors and catchy music...
[2008/11/13 13:13] Timeless Prototype: (not disclosing any names of course)
[2008/11/13 13:13] Torley Linden: oh singling them out is going to get me in trouble Bettina. ;D
[2008/11/13 13:13] Tux Winkler: =()
[2008/11/13 13:13] Buterfly Nightfire: SID music?
[2008/11/13 13:14] Bettina Tizzy: I was hoping to extole their virtues, but yea.
[2008/11/13 13:14] Damanios Thetan: (Skidrow here...olden days)
[2008/11/13 13:14] Alteran Zessinthal: i know someone who used to do SID music. he's my games culture lecturer now
[2008/11/13 13:14] Crap Mariner: got to tp to rl...
[2008/11/13 13:14] Torley Linden: yeah i'm all about extoling virtues too, Bettina. well if you want a specific example, there are people who get unfairly branded as griefers when they're part of certain groups, but they contribute a lot of good.
[2008/11/13 13:14] Timeless Prototype: tc dude
[2008/11/13 13:14] Torley Linden: very early on... a fellow named Huns Valen
[2008/11/13 13:14] Crap Mariner salutes
[2008/11/13 13:15] Torley Linden: brilliant, brilliant scripter
[2008/11/13 13:15] Torley Linden: a very sound and logical mind
[2008/11/13 13:15] Crap Mariner: ty for your time torley, all
[2008/11/13 13:15] Torley Linden: *salutes to Crap*
[2008/11/13 13:15] Sacha Swindlehurst: crap,.,be careful.. last time i heard that sim was down ;) (RL)
[2008/11/13 13:15] Buterfly Nightfire: was wondering what SID music is ..
[2008/11/13 13:15] Tux Winkler: yes, and recieve bans for their sense of humour (speaks personally)
[2008/11/13 13:15] Alteran Zessinthal: dunno either, but my lecturer goes on about it.
[2008/11/13 13:15] Timeless Prototype: one of the ex-griefers I know of has signed up a new avatar, gone legit and doing "teh awesome" for RL businesses in SL
[2008/11/13 13:16] Damanios Thetan: SID is a music chip, used in c64
[2008/11/13 13:16] Buterfly Nightfire: ohh
[2008/11/13 13:16] Alteran Zessinthal: ahhh
[2008/11/13 13:16] Torley Linden: yeah Buterfly look up on YouTube, many fun videos =)
[2008/11/13 13:16] Damanios Thetan: it's the basis for the 'chiptunes' scene, or the 64k demo/intro scene
[2008/11/13 13:16] Torley Linden: if anyone remembers Baku in 2004...
[2008/11/13 13:16] Torley Linden: you know where i'm coming from ;)
[2008/11/13 13:16] Tux Winkler: lol
[2008/11/13 13:16] Damanios Thetan: short demos/intros made usually in front of 'cracked games' but living on their own and made for 'demo parties'
[2008/11/13 13:17] Bettina Tizzy: I stumbled upon it in my early life... (Baku) and got a taste of their creativity. it was a very quick taste!
[2008/11/13 13:17] Torley Linden: i used to play trivia there a lot and hang out and do crazy stuff. some very nice folks. but then i kept being told by others, "they're all griefers!" i have no doubt some of them were. but i loathe to generalize and treat people as 1-dimensional. most were into creative chaos as i am. and it takes open dialogue and getting to know each other to make new understanding.
[2008/11/13 13:17] Torley Linden: so i hate to label people unfairly. i hate that so much.
[2008/11/13 13:17] Simon Kline: i must get going! take care all! :D
[2008/11/13 13:17] Torley Linden: have a good one Simon!
[2008/11/13 13:17] Bettina Tizzy: Agree... some of the most talented people I know frequent that bunch
[2008/11/13 13:17] Tux Winkler: aren't W/Hat tutoring now?
[2008/11/13 13:18] Simon Kline: thanks for another great office hour :D
[2008/11/13 13:18] Torley Linden: Tux, haha, well i know Masa back in the day taught me some things
[2008/11/13 13:18] Torley Linden: i haven't kept up to date with W-hat tho
[2008/11/13 13:18] Tux Winkler: =)
[2008/11/13 13:18] Tux Winkler: Ithink they have stopped their ways and help peeps now
[2008/11/13 13:18] Dizzy Banjo: try checking out the sim Aura for some tactile 'griefer' goodness.. lol
[2008/11/13 13:19] Torley Linden: *makes a note*
[2008/11/13 13:19] Bettina Tizzy: My fave "griefer" stuff put to incredibly creative use is Gazira Babeli's Locusolus
[2008/11/13 13:19] Torley Linden: all of these experiences have shaped my Second Life though, i certainly must be earnest about that
[2008/11/13 13:19] Torley Linden: how was that put to creative use, Bettina?
[2008/11/13 13:20] Bettina Tizzy: Oh... I cannot encourage you enough to hop over there for a visit, and don't go alone! Best experienced with a couple of friends. Gaz is a physics expert
[2008/11/13 13:20] Sacha Swindlehurst: lol
[2008/11/13 13:20] Bettina Tizzy: Earthquake simulation, pizza's flying at you, question marks popping in from everywhere, Campbell's soup cans capturing you and bouncing you around
[2008/11/13 13:21] Torley Linden: HAHAHAHAHAAHA
[2008/11/13 13:21] Torley Linden: OMG
[2008/11/13 13:21] Bettina Tizzy: and you can also become the pingpong ball in a GIANT version of PONG
[2008/11/13 13:21] Torley Linden: *makes a note to check this out too*
[2008/11/13 13:21] Tux Winkler gave you Griefer HUD - Captcha's Gift.
[2008/11/13 13:21] Sacha Swindlehurst: lmao
[2008/11/13 13:21] Bettina Tizzy: So so recommended
[2008/11/13 13:21] Bettina Tizzy: one of my fave sims on the grid
[2008/11/13 13:21] Torley Linden: ah, it's been delightful. so very vibrant. hey, i have to leave now and finish up my videos. i hope to post them @ http://secondlife.com/video tonight. thanks SO much for coming to visit and hang out with meee!
[2008/11/13 13:21] andsim Hammerer: can i get lm?
[2008/11/13 13:21] Timeless Prototype: Torley links, we click! (tm)
[2008/11/13 13:21] Dizzy Banjo: cool c u Torlmeister :)
[2008/11/13 13:21] Tux Winkler: buh bye Torley
[2008/11/13 13:21] Sacha Swindlehurst: thanks torley
[2008/11/13 13:21] Bettina Tizzy: Thank you, Torley... really enjoyed (and benefited) from this.
[2008/11/13 13:21] Buterfly Nightfire: bye, Torley!
[2008/11/13 13:22] Timeless Prototype: bye Torley
[2008/11/13 13:22] Damanios Thetan: bye bye Torlet and all... going back to making stuff...
[2008/11/13 13:22] Echo Jorda: Have fun and see you soon Torley!
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[2008/11/13 13:22] andsim Hammerer: bye torley
[2008/11/13 13:22] Sacha Swindlehurst: tc
[2008/11/13 13:22] Timeless Prototype: bye all
[2008/11/13 13:22] Torley Linden: if you ever need to send me a message in the meantime, i'm clicks away... Web tab of my profile... bye bye for now!! and you're so welcome!! ROCK ONNNNNNNNNNN