User:Zero Linden/Office Hours/2007 May 22

Transcript of Zero Linden's office hours, as hosted by Which Linden:

[13:03]	Which Linden:	All right, the gang's all here!
[13:04]	Which Linden:	As always, I am recording this for posterity.
[13:04]	Tao Takashi:	ah, no private office hour for me then
[13:04]	Which Linden:	Hi mom!
[13:04]	Which Linden:	Ha ha
[13:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	We're missing Zha. I had to choose between Which and making a cookie jar.
[13:05]	Which Linden:	Was there any indication that I'd be hosting it today? I took this slot at the last minute
[13:05]	Which Linden:	I'm gonna get gridmonkey this Thursday, not a great time for office hours
[13:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	No... I just figured it would be you ;)
[13:06]	Tao Takashi:	I just come here at these times regardless of who is hosting ;-)
[13:06]	Dnate Mars:	nice head Tao
[13:06]	Tao Takashi:	thanks :)
[13:06]	Which Linden:	I don't have any topic for today, is there anything you all want to suggest?
[13:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	I think I usually miss this hour due to classes.
[13:07]	Hiro Market:	I'm real impressed by the atmosphrics on the blog
[13:07]	Tao Takashi:	yes, when is the new sky coming? .-)
[13:07]	Dnate Mars:	Are we all doomed with voice coming tomorrow?
[13:07]	Which Linden:	Hey Zha
[13:07]	Tao Takashi:	and will it be on Linux too (directly)?
[13:07]	Zha Ewry:	Hello Which
[13:07]	Wyn Galbraith waves at Zha.
[13:07]	Which Linden:	Voice isn't coming tomorrow
[13:07]	Tao Takashi:	but Havok 10?
[13:07]	Tao Takashi:	Havok 1 is a high prio fix, right? ;-)
[13:08]	Tao Takashi:	at least for residents ;-)
[13:08]	Dnate Mars:	oh? 1.16 doesn't have voice?
[13:08]	Tao Takashi:	it only says bugfixed on the blog, doesn't it?
[13:08]	Which Linden:	It's only bugfixes tomorrow
[13:08]	Tao Takashi:	ah, right, 1.16
[13:08]	Which Linden:	I guess voice was pushed off to 1.17 or something
[13:08]	Tao Takashi:	I guessed that it will get unbundled again
[13:09]	Dnate Mars:	wel, the blog has never been very clear...
[13:09]	Zha Ewry:	Interesting Ave, Tao
[13:09]	Which Linden:	As for windlight (i.e. hawt skies), I guess they're planning to have a First Look for that Real Soon Now (tm)
[13:09]	Tao Takashi:	also no sculpties tomorrow?
[13:09]	Zha Ewry grins "Software writers favorite timeline"
[13:10]	Tao Takashi:	looking forward to the sky :-)
[13:10]	Hiro Market:	is that just the sky, or fogging on landscape too?
[13:10]	Which Linden:	I think we will get sculpties tomorrow, based on Josh's description
[13:10]	Which Linden:	Hiro: it is on the landscape as well
[13:10]	Hiro Market:	:-), proper light decay then
[13:11]	Which Linden:	The windwardmark team was created out of frustration for existing fog implementations
[13:11]	Khamon Fate:	Hi Whichtennae
[13:11]	Khamon Fate:	Which
[13:11]	Which Linden:	I think. I should invite one of them to give office hours once they are not completely crazy with work
[13:11]	Wyn Galbraith would love lots of fog.
[13:11]	Khamon Fate:	Sorry, Taotennae
[13:12]	Which Linden:	Welcome Khamon
[13:12]	Which Linden:	A while back Tao asked about Havok 1 fixes, do you mean Havok upgrade?
[13:13]	Tao Takashi:	well, I was mostly joking ;-) but don't we all wait for an update?
[13:13]	Which Linden:	Of course, the future is always super-awesome
[13:14]	Khamon Fate:	I don't. I gave up on a physics engine update years ago.
[13:14]	Tao Takashi:	in every joke there is a serious core ;-)
[13:14]	Tao Takashi:	they need to do it oneday as otherwise there will be competition ;-)
[13:15]	Which Linden:	It is very hard, especially, as I understand, replicating the behavior of Havok 1 in some ways
[13:15]	Which Linden:	I believe that a heterogeneous grid will be a prerequisite for the havok upgrade
[13:16]	Tao Takashi:	btw, I am streaming this live now to ustream again
[13:16]	Zha Ewry blinks "Because of testing needs?"
[13:16]	Tao Takashi:	hope you don't mind
[13:16]	Which Linden:	(for those of you following along at home, that was the topic of Thursday's office hours)
[13:16]	Which Linden:	No trouble, Tao
[13:16]	Which Linden:	Is there a url for that? I want to get self-referential
[13:16]	Tao Takashi:	might even not work at all ;-)
[13:16]	Tao Takashi:	and we are not on the homepage anymore unfortunately
[13:16]	Tao Takashi:	http://ustream.tv/channel/tao-takashi-live-from-second-life
[13:17]	Which Linden:	OK, so what else to discuss?
[13:17]	Zha Ewry:	What finally changed that got you past 38-39K this week?
[13:18]	Which Linden:	I have no idea
[13:18]	Which Linden:	I imagine that the group chat changes helped a lot
[13:18]	Tao Takashi:	one question I had was the actual setup of a server. We discussed something like that with Ian Linden last week but I'd like to know what exactly the dataserver is doing etc.
[13:18]	Tao Takashi:	as this was supposed to be the bottleneck
[13:18]	Zha Ewry:	Quite a jump on concurrnecy.. from uper 30s to low (almost mid) 40s abruptly
[13:19]	Which Linden:	Well, the userserver was the bottleneck removed by the group chat changes that everyone hated (and which will hopefully be fixed tomorrow)
[13:19]	Hiro Market:	big publicity drive somewhere?
[13:19]	Which Linden:	Yeah, the concurrency jump was so fast that I suspect it was partially due to outside influences.
[13:19]	Tao Takashi:	people finally heard that I am in SL ;-)
[13:20]	Hiro Market:	i see that over half residents are supposed to be europeans now too :-)
[13:20]	Hiro Market:	maybe time to think about downtime schedules?
[13:20]	Tao Takashi:	for me those downtimes are ok as it's during work times
[13:20]	Tao Takashi:	usually at least
[13:20]	Zha Ewry:	I don't know. Until this past week, 38K, 39K was pretty much where it broke to the point that people started logging off. Sunday, we cracked 44K, and I could still rez, tp and see people on my friend's list
[13:20]	Tao Takashi:	yes, I work long ;-)
[13:21]	Tao Takashi:	but I proposed to put the downtimes to monday so there's more time to fix the new bugs ;-)
[13:21]	Which Linden:	Ha ha, yeah
[13:21]	Tao Takashi:	and we don't need to do that on fridays
[13:21]	Tao Takashi:	well, not "we" ;-)
[13:21]	Tao Takashi:	YOU! ;-)
[13:21]	Which Linden:	Ah! My heart!
[13:21]	Which Linden:	:-)
[13:21]	Tao Takashi:	oh, where is your heart?
[13:22]	Which Linden:	San Francisco
[13:22]	Zha Ewry winces
[13:22]	Which Linden:	So, you asked about the structure of a sim host
[13:22]	Tao Takashi:	yes
[13:22]	Ice Brodie:	kitsu, hi o.o
[13:22]	Tao Takashi:	if it's not top secret ;-)
[13:22]	Tao Takashi:	Hey ice
[13:22]	Which Linden:	The dataserver is a complicated beast.
[13:22]	Which Linden:	hi ice
[13:22]	Zha Ewry:	you can see a lot in the wiki
[13:22]	Zha Ewry:	Zero wnet through most of it, except for the dataserver, about a month back
[13:23]	Tao Takashi:	I tried to search for it but couldn't really find the details
[13:23]	Tao Takashi:	but maybe I did not look deep enough ;-)
[13:23]	Ice Brodie:	one of these days I need to do a brain dump on my website.
[13:23]	Tao Takashi:	but the dataserver is a central thing, right?
[13:23]	Which Linden:	There are three dataservers per sim host
[13:23]	Which Linden:	So, not central
[13:23]	Tao Takashi:	ah, a local thing
[13:23]	Tao Takashi:	ok, let me draw :)
[13:23]	Ice Brodie:	mostly proxies, isn't it?
[13:24]	Which Linden:	Their main purpose, as far as I can tell, was to make database requests be asynchronous
[13:24]	Zha Ewry:	3? Does that match the three asset server sets?
[13:24]	Which Linden:	Yeah, basically a proxy for teh database
[13:24]	Ice Brodie:	mn, twitch chairs...
[13:24]	Which Linden:	Two are for "regular" data requests and one is for inventory
[13:24]	Which Linden:	There used to be one per sim host but that caused performance problems.
[13:25]	Zha Ewry blinks. 4 sims, 3 dataservers, one dedictaed to inventory. My. Complex.
[13:25]	Which Linden:	You betcha
[13:25]	Tao Takashi:	ok, so blue is the database, white is a sim host and 3 dataservers
[13:25]	Ice Brodie:	given that you can have asset issues if you don't use proxies like this, it's gotta be... I remember stuff like whole months where the dataserver just croaked.
[13:25]	Which Linden:	When the sim requests a query from the dataserver, the dataserver sticks it on a queue and performs all queries in order
[13:25]	Ice Brodie:	every friday and saturday... wasn't fun.
[13:26]	Which Linden:	The sequential ordering is an interesting issues
[13:26]	Which Linden:	On the one hand, it means that the central database has less load
[13:26]	Zha Ewry:	so, they handle all the queries to the database(s)
[13:27]	Tao Takashi:	does it have less load if it's not cached?
[13:27]	Ice Brodie:	ugh, note to self, replace the error handlers on my heightmappers with an e-mail based system.
[13:27]	Which Linden:	All queries that the sim might want to do, yes
[13:27]	Which Linden:	And it does caching of queries
[13:27]	Ice Brodie:	I'm getting 499 messages every minute from one of my drones.
[13:27]	Which Linden:	Kelly did a lot of dataserver caching work
[13:27]	Ice Brodie:	Kelly's a good guy.
[13:27]	Ice Brodie:	I remember him when he was in QA :P I need to haunt his office hours some day :P
[13:27]	Which Linden:	"a true gentleman"
[13:28]	Ice Brodie:	is that why he wore a female AV for a year? :0
[13:28]	Which Linden:	The downside of the queuing is that if the queue gets too long, then new queries start to starve
[13:28]	Which Linden:	Or rather, they just time out.
[13:28]	Tao Takashi:	ah, ic
[13:28]	Tao Takashi:	so where in the diagram is the caching happening?
[13:29]	Which Linden:	Which diagram?
[13:29]	Tao Takashi:	I guess inventory and the other 2 are mostly the same except semantically?
[13:29]	Tao Takashi:	on the rug
[13:29]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	On the sim host, in the dataservers process
[13:29]	Which Linden:	Oh, whoa, didn't see that
[13:29]	Wyn Galbraith:	Only in SL.
[13:29]	Which Linden:	So yeah, they only differ semantically
[13:30]	Which Linden:	And the caching happens in the dataserver itself
[13:30]	Tao Takashi:	ok
[13:30]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	So "all" the dataservers do is caching and serializing ?
[13:30]	Which Linden:	No, it does more
[13:30]	Which Linden:	(sigh)
[13:30]	Which Linden:	But I'm not very up on what else it does
[13:30]	Ice Brodie:	caching can do a lot for performance.
[13:30]	Couch sit 2(male model setup) RED: Tonks Mann, say '/1 Hide' to hide me, or '/1 Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
[13:30]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Voodoo !!!
[13:31]	Which Linden:	If done correctly, caching is awesome
[13:31]	Which Linden:	I mean, a lot of queries really don't change very much
[13:31]	Ice Brodie:	Which, who would be best to chat with about the LSL affects of the new sky system we're getting? o.O I wanna know how to gather data for it...
[13:31]	Tao Takashi:	ok, but now those are the bottlenecks because of their sequential working?
[13:32]	Tao Takashi:	I am now only missing the part in how LLSD might help with it and to get 1000 avatars on a sim ;-)
[13:32]	Which Linden:	Ice, I don't know who would know, I'
[13:32]	Which Linden:	ll find out
[13:32]	Ice Brodie:	thanks, I need to know if the llCloud interface will be replaced, I've started coding for that one...
[13:33]	Which Linden:	The bottleneck is basically the central database, I think
[13:34]	Which Linden:	Oh, you mean message liberation and llsd messaging
[13:34]	Tao Takashi:	yes
[13:34]	Which Linden:	Well, initially, there won't be much change
[13:34]	Tao Takashi:	not that I completely groked it ;-)
[13:34]	Tao Takashi:	except that the messages will look more XMLy
[13:35]	Object: Hello, Avatar!
[13:35]	Which Linden:	Basically we'll start sending messages over http. (the xml format is actually mostly incidental)
[13:35]	Zha Ewry:	And lose the binary format
[13:36]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Cost is encapsulation, decapsulation, ROI is simplicity of expansion ?
[13:36]	Zha Ewry:	And dynamic update
[13:36]	Which Linden:	Don't know what that means, Nounouch, but tcp is a much better protocol for sending reliable messages than our udp message system
[13:36]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Nothing performance-wise then
[13:37]	Zha Ewry:	With the flexablity, can update message formats without redeplying everything at once
[13:37]	Which Linden:	Updating messages without redeploying is the major goal
[13:37]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Cost in performance, gain in developper time, mostly
[13:37]	Tao Takashi:	so we can get Havok 10, I've learned :-)
[13:37]	Which Linden:	We expect that using tcp instead of "reliable udp" will improve performance, though not immediately.
[13:37]	Ice Brodie:	I've taken to HTTP myself, it's a great protocol compared with userland ones like e-mail.
[13:37]	Wyn Galbraith:	Nice Tao.
[13:38]	Zha Ewry:	Zero implied, pretty flat in terms of the performance. Longer paths, fewer dropped packets.
[13:38]	Ice Brodie:	old userland, I should say.
[13:38]	Tao Takashi:	in the next office hour I will then code the packet streams into that model ;-)
[13:38]	Tao Takashi:	define userland?
[13:38]	Wyn Galbraith would love a copy.
[13:38]	Tao Takashi:	maybe it will take more than 1 office hours though ;-)
[13:38]	Which Linden:	I love the model, BTW
[13:38]	Tao Takashi:	but I can give you a copy of this
[13:39]	Ice Brodie:	I need to build models like that, Tao, I've already got a set of gylphs like that for ibMapper...
[13:39]	Which Linden:	I'd love a copy
[13:39]	Ice Brodie hunts for the latest model diagram.
[13:39]	Wyn Galbraith:	I can wait till it's complete ;)
[13:39]	Tao Takashi:	It's for everybody to copy now
[13:39]	Tao Takashi:	don't hold your breath ;-)
[13:39]	Which Linden:	What's the sphere?
[13:40]	Wyn Galbraith smiles and won't.
[13:40]	Tao Takashi:	the sphere is not part of my model
[13:40]	Tao Takashi:	I guess it's a GOD called Linden Lab ;-)
[13:40]	Which Linden:	We look like the Death Star?
[13:40]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	It's an heightmapper robot ;)
[13:40]	Ice Brodie:	pfft :P
[13:40]	Ice Brodie:	that's one of my heightmappers.
[13:41]	Ice Brodie:	and it's spewing errors, I really wish I wasn't sharing webspace with the LSL wiki right now x.x
[13:41]	Which Linden:	Ice, I got an answer on windlight lsl calls
[13:41]	Zha Ewry:	High mapper?
[13:41]	Ice Brodie:	height....
[13:41]	Tao Takashi needs to get a coffee
[13:41]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Recording terrain height most likely
[13:41]	Which Linden:	There are currently no plans to integrate lsl with windlight, but we'd like to, eventually
[13:41]	Tao Takashi:	does the ustream work for you, btw?
[13:42]	Tao Takashi:	will it change wind?
[13:42]	Which Linden:	Oh, uh, no
[13:42]	Ice Brodie:	it also maps parcel data right now, it will eventually do weather as well, assuming llWind, llCloud don't get flushed completely x.x
[13:42]	Which Linden:	The ustream is just sitting there, I might need to upgrade my java
[13:42]	Hiro Market:	assuming this is a full scale atmospheric model, what do you plan to *do* with it?
[13:42]	Tao Takashi:	I guess there is some industry based on wind
[13:42]	Tao Takashi:	maybe it's simply a ustream problem
[13:42]	Hiro Market:	after all, should handle ;lots of different atmospheric effects
[13:42]	Which Linden:	I believe the long-term plan is to give greater atmospheric control to Residents
[13:42]	Hiro Market:	so would they be accessible to sim owners say?
[13:43]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh boy, fog and rain and...
[13:43]	Which Linden:	Yeah, that's teh first step
[13:43]	Ice Brodie:	will they be removing the current calls for llWind and llCloud?
[13:43]	Ice Brodie:	I hope they update them, and add to them ;.;
[13:43]	Which Linden:	Just like you can control sun position and terrain textures now, I htink
[13:43]	Ice Brodie:	I want more weather input.
[13:43]	Which Linden:	Me too. :-)
[13:43]	Ice Brodie:	input into my tools, I mean x.x
[13:43]	Zha Ewry wants more stable wind for sailing ;-)(
[13:43]	Tao Takashi:	I want a sensor outside my door checking the weather and mapping it to my SL weather ;-)
[13:44]	Which Linden:	I don't think we'll change llwind or llcloud for a while yet
[13:44]	Tao Takashi:	you want more stable Havok ;-)
[13:44]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	What other novelties can we expect in First Look, then ?
[13:44]	Wyn Galbraith wants wind for dual-line sport kiting.
[13:44]	Ice Brodie:	Tao, that'd be very cool... I want to have the ability to show weather.
[13:44]	Hiro Market:	other feature of landscape renders is fractal terrain and textures, any thought been given in that direction?
[13:44]	Ice Brodie:	SLweather :P
[13:44]	Which Linden:	Hiro: not that I'm aware of.
[13:44]	Ice Brodie:	a fractal seed takes a lot to calculate x.x
[13:44]	Hiro Market:	do it on the client
[13:45]	Ice Brodie:	I don't think my client has that much power and I have a P4
[13:45]	Hiro Market:	there's some highly optimised turbulance functions around now
[13:45]	Which Linden:	The server would have to know about the teerrain shape
[13:45]	Wyn Galbraith:	Snow storms in SL.
[13:46]	Which Linden:	Did we finish with the sim host model?
[13:46]	Tao Takashi:	i think so
[13:46]	Tao Takashi:	I might get it out my pocket again when I have additional questions :)
[13:46]	Which Linden:	Ha ha, awesome
[13:46]	Tao Takashi:	e.g. in how the dataservers will limit the 1000 avatar limit ;-)
[13:46]	Tao Takashi:	so bring Ian again next time ;-)
[13:47]	Which Linden:	Hah
[13:47]	Ice Brodie:	blah, I am still behind on my work x.x
[13:47]	Khamon Fate:	blah, I am still behind on my coffee
[13:47]	Tao Takashi:	see, then 4000 people could attend a townhall!
[13:47]	Which Linden:	I think the grid-wide concurrency is a larger issue for us ATM, it superseded per-sim concurrency
[13:47]	Tao Takashi:	4000 griefers ;-)
[13:48]	Khamon Fate:	What's the difference between 4k people attending a town hall and 4k people reading the transcript or listening to the broadcast?
[13:48]	Tao Takashi:	and where is the bottleneck on the grid-wise concurrency?
[13:48]	Tao Takashi:	they have the feeling they are part of it
[13:48]	Zha Ewry nods "Won't last, tho,Which. As concurrency goes up.. the number of people being annoyned by not being able to get into a sim.. will increase"
[13:48]	Khamon Fate:	oh
[13:48]	Tao Takashi:	it's psychological
[13:48]	Which Linden:	I am not sure where the grid-wise bottleneck is now, Doug is investigating that this week
[13:48]	Ice Brodie:	the lag of a town hall should be experienced.
[13:48]	Tao Takashi:	see, they didn't need the open letter
[13:48]	Zha Ewry likes to walk in concrete :-)
[13:48]	Tao Takashi:	we all knew what happens because we attend office hours
[13:49]	Tao Takashi:	go, Doug, go! :-)
[13:49]	Ice Brodie:	please don't spam me Hornet...
[13:49]	Which Linden:	4k people on a sim use a lot more resources than just getting the text stream from im, and multicasting audio has a lot of technology supporting it
[13:49]	Khamon Fate:	I tried to reference the SC crew to Zero's transcripts and LLSD but to no avail
[13:50]	Tao Takashi:	I also thought that a podcat of Philip or Cory here and there might do it but I am not that sure anymore
[13:50]	Tao Takashi:	people really want to attend it although not much new information is spread there
[13:50]	Khamon Fate:	People want the software to work. They want the service they're paying for. They're becoming very insistant.
[13:50]	Tao Takashi:	it's also great for meeting people ;-)
[13:50]	Tao Takashi:	even at sim borders around
[13:51]	Zha Ewry nods "I think that, 200 would be progress at the moemnt. And some of the costs are not linear, alas"
[13:51]	Tao Takashi:	well, 1000 avatars on one sim would not work anyway
[13:51]	Tao Takashi:	would not make any sense that is
[13:51]	Tao Takashi:	less lag for 100 avatars might be good though
[13:51]	Khamon Fate:	floating room only
[13:51]	Ice Brodie:	the demand of those 3 local dataserver caches would be choking.
[13:51]	Zha Ewry:	Not so mch per sim as per small area
[13:52]	Tao Takashi:	Hi Donovan
[13:52]	Zha Ewry:	People have this nasty habit of wanting to be in the same place.
[13:52]	Which Linden:	The sim itself would probably be struggling at 100
[13:52]	Tao Takashi:	because of which component?
[13:52]	Which Linden:	It does a lot of housekeeping for each av
[13:53]	Tao Takashi:	so computing
[13:53]	Which Linden:	Basically
[13:53]	Khamon Fate:	Yeah this tech just isn't ever gonna support that kind of crowd. Something else will have to come along.
[13:53]	Tao Takashi:	Kaneva? ;-)
[13:53]	Zha Ewry:	When you split domains, how muich headroom do you get?
[13:53]	Khamon Fate:	Having that many avs on the grid LL's vision of "being there."
[13:53]	Which Linden:	...split domains?
[13:53]	Hiro Market:	oh, Haneva is grim
[13:53]	Hiro Market:	Kaneva even
[13:53]	Zha Ewry:	Agent domain off the sim
[13:54]	Zha Ewry:	Zero went through that last month
[13:54]	Zha Ewry:	So.. the sim focuses on land/physics and the agent housekeeping becomes seperated out
[13:54]	Tao Takashi:	and don't say, that a sim will be struggling at 100, I already blogged about soon having 1000 avatars per sim ;-)
[13:54]	Donovan Linden:	it's unknown how much headroom we'll get until we actually do it
[13:55]	Ice Brodie:	of all the... blah, work just cropped up x.x
[13:55]	Khamon Fate:	Then you could put the sim in a broadcast prefered mode that wouldn't accept updates so much as send data to connected avs
[13:55]	Which Linden:	Yeah, software is pretty unpredictable. :-(
[13:55]	Tao Takashi:	well, I put some precautions in the text
[13:55]	Khamon Fate:	People, on the other hand, are highly predictable. They'll put up with loads of crap and then some.
[13:55]	Ice Brodie:	I gotta go, I'll be back later.
[13:55]	Tao Takashi:	take care, Ice
[13:55]	Khamon Fate:	bye ice
[13:56]	Which Linden:	Thanks for coming, ice
[13:56]	Tao Takashi:	everyboy interested took a copy of the diagram?
[13:56]	Which Linden:	The average per-sim concurrency is about 4
[13:56]	Which Linden:	right now
[13:56]	Zha Ewry:	but very spiky, yes?
[13:57]	Which Linden:	Yeah, very variable
[13:57]	Zha Ewry:	I mean, Phatcasts island, is probably rarely under 20.
[13:57]	Zha Ewry:	And some sims rarely see 2
[13:57]	Which Linden:	I'm sure if sims could host more avs that it would vary even more. :-)
[13:58]	Khamon Fate:	What does average per-sim concurrency mean Which? What does LL gather from that stat?
[13:58]	Khamon Fate:	Or what other stats are used with it to determine the state of the grid et cetera
[13:59]	Which Linden:	Just dividng concurrncy buy #regions
[13:59]	Which Linden:	by
[13:59]	Which Linden:	I'm not really sure what stats we have, obviously concurrnecy is one
[14:00]	Which Linden:	Basically what's on SL.com, but in more detail
[14:00]	Tao Takashi:	coffees per hour is another one, I am sure
[14:00]	Which Linden:	Zero's number of coffees per hours would be through the roof
[14:00]	Tonks Mann:	LOL
[14:00]	Tao Takashi:	heh
[14:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	Ah that's what's wrong with me today... no coffee yet.
[14:01]	Khamon Fate:	Thanks for hosting Which.
[14:01]	Which Linden:	Well, it is 2 pm PDT
[14:01]	Zha Ewry speaking of Zero. Have you heard from him? How's life with a sproglet?
[14:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	Great meeting Which. Do you need watering ;)
[14:01]	Nounouch Hapmouche:	Any pointer on the Linden being in charge of the translation and doing office hours ?
[14:01]	Khamon Fate:	Did they name the baby Negative One?
[14:01]	Which Linden:	I haven't heard from him, I'll tell him that you're thinking of him next time I "see" him though
[14:01]	Which Linden:	Heh
[14:02]	Tonks Mann:	:D
[14:02]	Zha Ewry:	Thnkas
[14:02]	Khamon Fate:	Minus One, that's pretty
[14:02]	Which Linden:	Yeah, thanks all for being cool, this was a great discussion
[14:02]	Dragonfan Hooper:	i didn't know this one was going on here
[14:02]	Zha Ewry:	This is the cool group, Which
[14:02]	Zha Ewry:	Low key
[14:02]	Khamon Fate:	People would pronouce Minusone as min-U-sone
[14:02]	Khamon Fate:	ha ha ha
[14:02]	Which Linden:	I'll post the transcript shortly.